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jomon
28-06-2004, 04:57 PM
hello

i wish to know about fundamental , philosophy of itto ryo and how does it concerns with modern kendo

thank you for every answers
jomon

mystic_kendoka
28-06-2004, 06:36 PM
isnt itto ryu simply 1 sworded art?

well.. kendo normally is 1 sworded, theres ur answer..

nodachi
29-06-2004, 06:04 AM
I thought ittoryu was better thought of as the art of winning with one strike (although it does use only one sword). The fundamental technique is kiriotoshi (sp?) and it pops up in lots of the kata for ittoryu. Even the kata that have other movements and actions to them seem to end with kiriotoshi.

It's basically an ai-men situation but you win the center and cut your opponent and they end up being deflected away/missing you completely. That's the fundamental idea behind it.

I know there's more to it, but that is the gist of what I gathered from it when I studied it with little Japanese proficiency at the time.

Others feel free to elaborate and correct me if I'm wrong. It's been awhile.

It is really related with kendo because it reinforces the idea of keeping your center so you win situations involving ai-uchi, attacking each other simultaneously, because your center is just that strong. Although it's a little different because the techniques of ittoryu use the shape of the katana to deflect the opponents blade away as you strike through, while the feeling of this with a shinai is kind of different because it's round instead of that nice katana shape.

Kent Enfield
29-06-2004, 06:26 AM
i wish to know about fundamental , philosophy of itto ryo and how does it concerns with modern kendo It depends on which Itto Ryu you're talking about. Meik Skoss wrote an excellent article on the extant branches that appeared in Keiko Shokon. For a decent summary of Itto Ryu's influence on modern kendo, check out the post by Prof. Bodiford in a thread over at e-budo:

Kendo and Itto Ryu (http://www.e-budo.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?threadid=1506&highlight=itto+ryu+kendo)

DCPan
29-06-2004, 06:26 AM
Keiko Shokon: Classical Warrior Traditions of Japan, volume 3 (http://www.koryu.com/store/ks3.html)

Contents:
Foreword
by Quintin Chambers

Keiko Shokon Revisited: An Introduction
by Diane Skoss

The Cat's Eerie Skill: A Translation of Issai Chozan's "Neko no Myojutsu"
by Karl F. Friday

Promise and Peril: The Potential of Following Multiple Koryu
by Dave Lowry

Interview with Nitta Suzuyo: Headmaster of the Toda-ha Buko-ryu
by Liam Keeley

Challenges in Observing the Koryu Bugei
by Ron Beaubien

Itto-ryu Kenjutsu: An Overview
by Meik Skoss

Soke: Historical Incarnations of a Title and its Entitlements
by William M. Bodiford

Renovation and Innovation in Tradition
by Ellis Amdur

The Professional Perspective: Thoughts on the Koryu Bujutsu from a United States Marine
by George H. Bristol

Index
with glossary

DCPan
29-06-2004, 06:27 AM
It depends on which Itto Ryu you're talking about. Meik Skoss wrote an excellent article on the extant branches that appeared in Keiko Shokon. For a decent summary of Itto Ryu's influence on modern kendo, check out the post by Prof. Bodiford in a thread over at e-budo:

Kendo and Itto Ryu (http://www.e-budo.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?threadid=1506&highlight=itto+ryu+kendo)

Dang...you got the sen this time! :rolleyes:

jomon
29-06-2004, 10:23 AM
thanks , it's very helpful

jomon
29-06-2004, 12:29 PM
what is kiriotoshi

thanks again

jomon
29-06-2004, 01:00 PM
thanks you

nodachi
30-06-2004, 04:51 AM
what is kiriotoshi

thanks again

Basically ai-men. Both attack men, but you actually strike your opponent and win and they don't strike you because their sword is deflected away. Just think ai men and you will have a nice, but surely simplified mental image of it.

Tenjo
04-07-2004, 10:38 AM
Tenbatsutekimen?