Christ and kendo?

[DaQo'tah]

hi this is DaQo'tah

Im a Christian, so I dont go in for all the "inner force" stuff that so many in Kendo seem to push on students....

Im thinking about starting to take a beginners Kendo class this winter, but from what I have read about some of the ideas behind Kendo, Im not sure how my Christian faith will be able to sit still ....

I have been reading about some of the ways guys from Japan have for prayer or meditation,,,and it seems to go very much against my views as a Born-Again Christian....also if my kendo teacher tries to push that type of teaching on me, I may very well feel the need to "correct" his teachings to the class.

How do Christians work and learn within a system that seems very far from the cross of Christ...

I want to learn kendo,,,,I just dont want to have to listen to any stuff that goes against my Christian faith.....

How is this done?

[Kote-Men]

nooo i think you have misunderstood something...


we dont force religion on you!

and i have never heard of 'inner force'..... where'd you read that?

its true that we zen meditate but thats to clear your mind

We have a very strong Christian in our dojo, there isn't a problem

Japanese culture and religion has left its mark on Kendo, but we won't brainwash you!!! :devious: hehhehehehh

[Swissv2]

You will be meditating just to relax your mind, not to pray to a deity.

[DaQo'tah]

Inner force is my way of talking about .....(here you will see the reason I came up with inner force),,,,,talking about "Ge?...Key?.Che?..ghee?

something like that anyway....I have been watching a kendo video I got last week from Ebay,,,the whole tape is in Japinase with subtitles,,,but it did seem that the teacher worked his "inner power", or inner force,,,ideas into about every lesson on the tape...

also the tape dealt a lot with the meditation, the right way to sit on your feet,,the right way to hold your hands,,,I dont have a problem with sitting on the floor, nor with holding my hands in any odd ways,,,,But the "empty your mind" stuff seems to not really be something we do in my church,,,,

How do Christians meditate in a "helpfull to kendo" manner, yet not go into all the darker "ghee" teachings?

[Kote-Men]

hmmm i think maybe this inner force you mention might be kiai?


kiai=spirit. When you attack, you say (or scream) the target name.

In our dojo warmup, if you don't have good kiai, you do the whole suburi again!

*i hate doing Joua Suburi (misspelled) by myself 50 times in front of everyone

it seems to me like youre worrying about kendo a bit too much

you will be alright....

anyway, in the beginning, if you try to learn without a sensei present you might develop a bad habit!

[Kote-Men]

Wow, I would be really glad if you joined our dojo.


It is quite rarely that we get a studen that wants to learn something called kendo.

After Kill bill and the last samurai, dear lord..

80% of the students we now recieve want to be Tom Cruise or Uma Thurman.

80% of those students leave within a month. Kendo is not like what you see in the movies.

When sword-fighting was young, and something called guns werent around, fights lasted a couple seconds, rarely more.

In kendo, they are much longer, not at all like some 20 minute fight scenes we see in our major motion pictures.

matches are usually less then 5 minutes, but fighting for 5 minutes in that heavy bogu (armor) can get you tired!!!

[Nanbanjin]

hi this is DaQo'tah

Im a Christian, so I dont go in for all the "inner force" stuff that so many in Kendo seem to push on students....


The "force" is from Star Wars, not kendo. You are not the first person to confuse the two.



Im thinking about starting to take a beginners Kendo class this winter, but from what I have read about some of the ideas behind Kendo, Im not sure how my Christian faith will be able to sit still ....


Don't take a beginner's class then.



I have been reading about some of the ways guys from Japan have for prayer or meditation,,,and it seems to go very much against my views as a Born-Again Christian....


Don't meditate then.



also if my kendo teacher tries to push that type of teaching on me, I may very well feel the need to "correct" his teachings to the class.


Is kendo covered in the bible?



How do Christians work and learn within a system that seems very far from the cross of Christ...



No idea.



I want to learn kendo,,,,I just dont want to have to listen to any stuff that goes against my Christian faith.....

How is this done?

Again, no idea. I can't see the conflict that you are alluding to.
Maybe there is someone out there who understands what you mean.

[Kote-Men]

okay this is a bit randomn, but how do you get those boxes in that say 'quote:'


nanbanjim, Daquota *sry* is very open minded about kendo and is trying to sort something out.. try to havea little respect.


anyway...


kendo philosphy is not to be confused with religion. Meditate to clear mind. The only thing that should come outside with you is zanshin, and i think thats the only thing that kendo gives you helps to protect yourself. I mean when a gangsta pulls a knife on you, chances are you arent going to be carrying a shinken around, and

i think it's against the law to walk around in the street with a shinken





just bought a Yoko Kanno soundtrack , its great

[Sentunim]

Well, if you make some quick connections... Jesus born in the middle east, israel/palestine - the tribes of israel separate - one tribe, known as the monks of nara go to japan - japan invents kendo. So its not really that far off is it? Well kinda.

By the way I don't know if the monks of nara were really a lost israeli tribe, I just read that in a few places, but they seemed a bit seedy.

[Nanbanjin]

okay this is a bit randomn, but how do you get those boxes in that say 'quote:'



Start the quote with the word QUOTE in square brackets.
End with the /QUOTE in square brackets.
Start with QUOTE=Name in square brackets if you want the quote to have the "originally posted by Name" bit included.

[Kote-Men]

japanese people were originally from israel????


i

never

knew that....

they look a little

different.. That freaks me

out! My writing is shaped in a pyramid!

[Kote-Men]

hey it works hehhe

thanks a lot

[Nanbanjin]

japanese people were originally from israel????


i

never

knew that....

they look a little

different.. That freaks me

out! My writing is shaped in a pyramid!

Your new age writing style is conflicting with my beliefs as a born again hater of new age writing styles. Please edit and repent before it's too late.

[Kote-Men]

[QOUTE] never!!!!! [/QUOTE]


Someone

Please Tell Me

If Subscribing To Kendo

World Magazine is Worth it,

Since it costs a lot, and issues dont

come that often, please answer.

[DaQo'tah]

yes, how do you make that quote box with my words in it?...

okay, I will meditate on things I need to think about,,,that should ork fine..after all, placeing a small child in his "Time Out" corner is about the same as telling the child to meditate anyway,,,LOL

I seek to learn Kendo for 3 reasons (yes, I have been thinking of this answer for a while now)

reason 1- it is a cool thing to learn, and it fits with my other hobby of knife and sword making.

many people have asked me about making a Japan long sword, and before I try that type of challenge, I wanted to understand a bit more about the deeper study of kendo. also, kendo is real,,,,I see a lot of the sword tricks on Tv and I see a Lot of long swords made to sell that are just junk, and I reject that stuff ,,,I want my study of the sword to be based in a "real-ness"...kendo allows the use of "full power"...and thats the way I think I need to go...

reason 2- kendo is a good workout. from what I have learned, kendo is good to get the blood pumping,,,way better than what I do now, (YMCA where I sit on a bike and peddle to nowhere)

reason 3....Might help calm me the heck down...

from my reading, the ideas and teachings important to kendo, also seem to help people be more calm, yet able to react faster....this is something I could use help with in my life....

[nodachi]

Just a few quick comments...

Think of ki as concentration and not as a religious concept and it kinda helps. It doesn't have to be religious at all. It can be for some people, but if you think of it as concentration then it doesn't conflict with any beliefs.

It seems to me that in a lot of martial arts you can think of ki as a spiritual concept, but if you don't like that, it seemed at times that it fits in nicely with very physical concepts. I did tai chi and talking of chi coming from your belly could very easily be thought of as a center of gravity concept at times. So lots of these spiritual concepts can very easily be translated into a physical concept if you think about it.

Meditation does not have to replace your religion. I know people who are both Buddhist AND Christian. The concept of emptying your mind before practice in meditating can simply be a time to focus on practice. Ignore all that everyday stuff like your bills and problems at work and needing to go to the store to buy some milk before going home, etc. It's time to focus on kendo. That's another way to think of meditation. It's not throw out Christianity time. It's let's focus on practice time.

My point is that most concepts in kendo or any martial art for that matter can have religious/spiritual significance to them or they can have none in that way at all. If they are presented to you as spiritual concepts, listen politely, don't try and argue or debate it out, just make them meaningful for you.

[DaQo'tah]

[QOUTE] never!!!

Someone

Please Tell Me

If Subscribing To Kendo

World Magazine is Worth it,

Since it costs a lot, and issues dont

come that often, please answer.

test thats the way to do it,,,test,,,test,,,.

thats way better now...way better.

[DaQo'tah]

good advice,,,thanks guys,,,it had been on my mind for a while.....I feel better about the whole thing now,,,

[Andoru]

Your new age writing style is conflicting with my beliefs as a born again hater of new age writing styles. Please edit and repent before it's too late.
Bahahahaha !

[Kirin]

DaQo'tah,

use search function and search 'christian' there are many good discussion about it. (ie. 'to rei or not to rei' Matusda sensei had really good posts)
You might want to go through some of these threads.

[indigo0086]

When I am meditating, it is usually not to concentrate certain things. My mind is usually blank when I am doing it and it really helps me when my knee caps are bulging out of my fles during seiza. And you need to do some extra meditation for when you get up from seiza, just so you don't fall.

[Sentunim]

japanese people were originally from israel????


i

never

knew that....

they look a little

different.. That freaks me

out! My writing is shaped in a pyramid!

Im just talking about a small group of people there, not the entire population.

[Nanbanjin]

How do Christians meditate in a "helpfull to kendo" manner, yet not go into all the darker "ghee" teachings?

You got a beef with Ghee (http://www.cuzza.com/images/big/ghee.jpg)?

[Nanbanjin]

nanbanjim, Daquota *sry* is very open minded about kendo and is trying to sort something out.. try to havea little respect.


That was my respectful edit.

The only real issue I can see is with "rei" because it could be interpreted as idolatry. Kirin has the best suggestion. Use the search function.

[KhawMengLee]

Inner force is my way of talking about .....(here you will see the reason I came up with inner force),,,,,talking about "Ge?...Key?.Che?..ghee?

something like that anyway....I have been watching a kendo video I got last week from Ebay,,,the whole tape is in Japinase with subtitles,,,but it did seem that the teacher worked his "inner power", or inner force,,,ideas into about every lesson on the tape...

also the tape dealt a lot with the meditation, the right way to sit on your feet,,the right way to hold your hands,,,I dont have a problem with sitting on the floor, nor with holding my hands in any odd ways,,,,But the "empty your mind" stuff seems to not really be something we do in my church,,,,

How do Christians meditate in a "helpfull to kendo" manner, yet not go into all the darker "ghee" teachings?

Darker "Chi" teachings?!? Why do Christian's allways seem to think anything that does not embrace christ is evil?

Meditation is there to calm and relax you. It is also there to clear your mind, meaning when you fight your mind should be clear of distraction. So when you are attacked you react naturally without worrying about posture, striking, what for dinner, etc. You just react like a mirror.

You know, for a christian you are very disrespectful with your words. "empty your minds stuff" "darker ghee" teachings, argueing with Sensei if he tries to teach you Mokuso(meditation).

When you are in the dojo you accept your Sensei's teachings. You don't go in there for a theology debate. Kendo is not religion. Tho' as my Sensei did say "D0jo is Life."(but thats another story). I would certainly not have the arrogance and ill manners to stand up in church during a sermon and argue my views upon the Canon or Priest.

If you are going to be narrow minded and rude I suggest you don't bother with kendo. We don't make presumptions about people and will welcome everyone with open arms to the dojo. You can ask and you can debate but to do so during mokuso is very rude and unheard of.

[jmarsten]

Do not come to Everett or Sno=King,

[DaQo'tah]

I have taken members good advice, and have spent the last hour doing a SEARCH of the word "CHRISTIAN" here,,,,it has been fun reading all of the different points of view.

At this time I would like to say that the poster named " Achilles", had a very good post that answered all of my questions about how I can bring the best parts of kendo into the wider scope of my Christian walk.

The way so many attacks in kendo are based on the "all or nothing" point of view is much like the words of Christ on the Faith we share in.

P.S. I came back here and noted the many different posts, and I have to give a big "Thank you" to many of the posters who have taken the time to defend my correctness in joining this forum so that I can ask questions.

[Nanbanjin]

Beware the dark teachings of ghee (http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/Gifs/ghee.jpg)

[Kirin]

Just dont be biased and go visit dojo near you.
See it yourself and hope kendo suit your style :)

[DaQo'tah]

Do not come to Everett or Sno=King,


except to work, I dont think anyone means to go to Everett...

I lived for 15 years in Bellevue, Factoria, Redmond, (cool little town) before I moved to Duvall, (Near Monroe)...

[jmarsten]

except to work, I dont think anyone means to go to Everett...not nice, Everett people have feelings and love of their town

I lived for 15 years in Bellevue, Factoria, Redmond, (cool little town) before I moved to Duvall, (Near Monroe)... Well Duvall is not quite the sticks either \. Your location description would indicate some where near Moses Lake in the dunes.
Don't see anything that indicates a kendo type of person.

[DaQo'tah]

When I lived in Duvall,,,it was the sticks....I could catch fish in my ditch, watch deer walk into town, and pee outside, (The "pee test", thats the sign that you are in the sticks)

My "LOCATION" thingy?..well, Im new so Im still working on that....its going to be in a state of change for a few days,,,,

[DaQo'tah]

Don't see anything that indicates a kendo type of person.


When I first moved into an apt in Bellevue, the family next door was from China. We became good frinds and I took them to my church on Sunday, and they took my wife and I to many of their family doings. But due to the fact that Im white, I always felt a bit out of place.

When we moved to Redmond and joined a new church the very first people we sat next to were from Japan and my wife knows a few words in japan so we got to be good friends. But again the fact that I am such a different race always seemed to bother me when I was the only white guy in all of the downtown area we went to dinner with then at.

perhaps thats why I seem to be drawn to kendo so much,,,because from what i have seen, once a kendo fighter puts on his gear, we all look the same. people from all over the world, all wear the same stuff in the same way,,,we are sorta "brothers in arms" ,,,brothers without borders..

[mystic_kendoka]

i know many people who do zen (the part of buddhism integrated into kendo) and are also christian

christianity= believing there is a christian god who sends messiahs ie jezus every now and then (my knowledge of christianity is not that good)

zen buddhism= believing that if a person is able to empty his mind, and rid himself of the 108 'bad' emotions he will become enlightened (in other words super-smart, understand why and how everything is the way it is)

they dont really clash with each other, and you can easily do kendo without believing in zen, actually zen meditation can take hours, kendo meditation is only for a few seconds to a minute,

the reason we meditate in kendo is not to pray to some god, or to obtain enlightenment, it is just to calm ourselves, and empty our minds of everyday problems, so we can fully concentrate on kendo

the ki or ghee as you said it, is inner force, it is not some spirit inside of you.. it.. is a life force, that everyone has, it is in everything, everything alive has it, in martial arts they tend to use it to concentrate their attacks more, and gain the 'edge' you wouldn't have if you didn't use your ki...

we use ki by kiai, which translate to ki-gathering or focussing, kiai is a slow, sometimes loud exhalation, it is supposed to release ki, but more recent studies show that martial artists are able to obtain the 'edge' by having a good respiratory rhythm regulated by kiai-ing and breathing in when being hit.. also, you are taught to force the air out from your abdomen not your chest or throat, this is to avoid throat pains but more importantly to access the adrenalin gland in the abdomen, if done properly you get a surge of adrenalin which we all know makes you a superman in decent clothes...

i don't see where you have the problem with kendo because of your faith..

[DaQo'tah]

mystic_kendoka


Last night I watched my Kendo video again dealing with the Meditation subject.

then I sat on the floor on top of my feet like is seen in the video. Good Gaud that hurt!

Only was able to sit that way for seconds, then tried to stand and was walking around limping for the rest of the night.

That Normal?

[mystic_kendoka]

yea, try being like that for 20 minutes waiting for your turn in your tournament, get up, feeling every single nerve cell in your ankle, and have to last 3 minutes against a 6 foot giant...

[YAMAFELL]

Well let me ask you this.. do you hurt an ant when you step on it..? (ok, matters how big the ant is, how fast it is squished and everything else.. but just think of your poor little cells in your legs as little ants.. ) Your damn squishing them with your upper body while in seiza. But you get used to it.

The meditating ( I can't spell) is a good way of losing all burdens and troubles and just become empty minded. While relaxing you also just seam to become weightless and empty along with your mind. Then you find out your feet are either bright purple because blood has been stuck in them and not circulating or they are white as a ghost because it has been a long time since blood has been there.. but that is becides the point. Your body will come to accept sitting in this positon after a while. Really. I am telling the truth.

Religion on the other hand is a hard burden to carry around with you as well I think. I don't want to sound rude, or stupid or anything.. ( Becuase i know I hate when that happens... ) But when people think their belives are being infringed upon because others try to teach them about the way they do things, i have to ask why? They are just teaching you something you don't know about.. but they never ask you to BELIEVE in it. That is your own personal choice, and you could just as well lie and say you do to get them off your back and during "mokuso" be thinking about ice cream and the other white meat. When wanting to try something new, learn, and don't worry about learning about things that are different from you and things you don't like. It actually is better to find out about those things to protect your ways from them. (to put it in a blunt but kinda true saying) Get to know your enemy. If you think the chi is so bad, try it, learn about it. Take it's "darker power" away. It is just emptying your mind after all, and learning more about yourself.. oh shit.. are you doing that while learning about it.. now i am confusing myself in all this shallow deepish thought..

well with that said. Don't disrespect something or someone because they try to teach you different. You easily can walk away, or just listen and understand.

And I don't understand how being a minority white person can make you feel bad.. It seams like a big deal, but you said you like kendo because it hides who you are, close your own eyes, and you won't need the bogu to do it for you. Listen more with your heart..... (and .. **gasp** do some kind of meditation.. ahhh no that is way to easy!!!!)

[DaQo'tah]

although I seek to learn the correct ways to do all my Kendo,,,,and althought I wish to show good respect for my teachers and their teachings,,,and although I will do as Im told as best i can...

I cant help but question that foot thingy....Good Gaud, what evil man thought this was a good idea to bring into kendo?

[YAMAFELL]

When you have no chairs.. you sit on your legs.. and half of japan has no chairs.. oh and short legged tables.. don't forget those..

just one night sit around on your legs with a 24pack and watch the fun begin.. (expecially if all the blood is traped in your legs at the time...) ^V^

[nodachi]

Seiza - the way of sitting. :) (sorry, I am being wierd)

Seiza is good for you. It's more formal than lazily sitting on your bum, and you are more ready to respond should someone attack you. On your bum you are pretty much stuck to the floor, but you can readily get up from seiza and attack should someone come after you.

Just start doing it as you watch TV until it hurts, then stop. Try again later. As you do this more and more then your tolerance for it will grow and you can do it longer without your feet and ankles getting all that pain.

[mystic_kendoka]

i think i speak for everyone when i say that i am pretty confident i will be able to attack quicker from a cross-legged stance than in seiza, whenever I get up from seiza i have to spend 10 seconds stretching my ankles.. to make sure nothing suffocated...

seiza is also disciplinary.. once at a seminar we were watching ipponshobu, no time limit it went on until someone scored, then the next challenger would come, after about 20 minutes, everyone was sitting cross-legged, when the sensei there noticed he made us go into seiza for another 10 minutes...

[Masahiro]

Got a question for the starter of this thread,

Who did jeasus follow in terms of he believes and thoughts?

if your answer is God, his Father, then please answer this for me,

then who does God follow?

[mystic_kendoka]

why does anyone have to follow anyone? everyone know bush doesnt follow anyone for ****...

wat makes more sense is, who made the world, god, who made god?

but that is completely off topic, we are not discussing whether there is god or not, we are discussing wether your faith should stop you from doing kendo

[Atama]

Ok here's my two cents worth, I practice kendo with a the reverend of the local anglican church, he is also japanese and from what he's told he comes from along line of japanese christians apparently some of his ancestors were amongst few samurai that turned to christianity instead of budhism. The Rev. Murata has been practicing kendo for many years and could give you a better explanation to why kendo does not interfere with your religion than I....but what the hell I'm gonna try anyway.

Ok lets start with Ki (or chi which ever u prefer) ITS NOT MAGIC , and its not isolated to eastern martial arts I believe you will find Ki used by almost all proffesional athlete but in the west we tend to refer to it as the zone. It is a point were a martial artist, weightlifter, or basketball player become so focused on the goal that they are able to get their bodies to do thing we might think impossible , and in recent nurelogical tests it was found that at points were a person is using Ki or in the zone the brain activity significantley changed.

As for meditation and the clearing of the mind in kendo its is done simply to allow you to disconnect from what you did at work or school and consentrate on your kendo training, which is pretty important being that you are learning to hit people in the head with a stick.

Anyway doing kendo dosen't mean you have to be budhist or that you renounce your religion, everything we do in kendo is out of respect for the origins of the art. If you are having trouble seeing past that then maybe you should take up a different activity that maybe doesn't involve the integration of the eastern culture. :wink:

[mystic_kendoka]

also, for meditation, there was an experiment, they made a person doing kyudo (archery) shoot at a target 5 times whilst measuring his brain activity, he hit 3 out of 5 targets, after 3 minutes meditation, his brain activity was smaller yet he hit 4 out of 5 this time..

mokuso/meditating clears your mind and helps you focus

[Kote-Men]

Hey

Reading back before, you mentioned that you wanted to create a sword, or learn more about one.

In kendo you will not handle a sword, only a wooden stick called a shinai. You will engage in actual combat wearing armor.

If you want to use a real sword, you might want to try iaido.

Iaido is a martial art where you practice prearranged movements, or kata forms using a sword. You will learn how to draw and sheath the sword from its sheath, or saya in japanese. in the beginning you use a wooden sword, but then u move on to iaito, training swords, and then maybe eventually shinken. *a sharp sword, literally 'new' blade*

maybe you should consider this, if you are into using actual swords





MEN!!! KOTE-MEN!!!! KOTE-DO!!!!

[Kirin]

Hey

Reading back before, you mentioned that you wanted to create a sword, or learn more about one.

In kendo you will not handle a sword, only a wooden stick called a shinai. You will engage in actual combat wearing armor.

If you want to use a real sword, you might want to try iaido.

Iaido is a martial art where you practice prearranged movements, or kata forms using a sword. You will learn how to draw and sheath the sword from its sheath, or saya in japanese. in the beginning you use a wooden sword, but then u move on to iaito, training swords, and then maybe eventually shinken. *a sharp sword, literally 'new' blade*

maybe you should consider this, if you are into using actual swords

Oooooooooops
shinken is not literally translate to 'new' blade. 新剣？
more of 'true' blade　＝　真剣　

[DaQo'tah]

Masahiro
...

You ask questions that sound much like mine at one stage in my life....

I would love to share my views on this topic with you,,,but this is not the place for such a conversation. Perhaps we should talk in another forum of such things....

I have always been questioning the ability of a Christian to practice eastern methods of meditation, and from the posts I have been reading here, I believe that I can incorporate the sport of kendo into my more wider Christian life with no problems...

[Kenshin Axel]

who made the world, god, who made god?
Hear Hear!

[kenshin13]

You'll be fine. I'm catholic and I got nothin to worry about. Although I would like to practice some philosophy from Zen Buddhism...well a bit early to think of that now!

[DCPan]

I have always been questioning the ability of a Christian to practice eastern methods of meditation, and from the posts I have been reading here, I believe that I can incorporate the sport of kendo into my more wider Christian life with no problems...

In "Christian" monastic practices, there is a method called centering prayer which is almost identical to zazen, except for the "subject" of the mental focus.

I had an opportunity to learn this...unfortunately, circumstances forced me to move away from the area before I could learn it from the guy.

FWIW.

[Nanbanjin]

Jesus is my kohai!

[KhawMengLee]

Jesus is my kohai!


He built my Hotrod! MINISTRY!!!!!!

[Nanbanjin]

He built my Hotrod! MINISTRY!!!!!!

And my bogu!

[Marine_Boy]

Jesus is my kohai!

"God is a DJ"

(Faithless) :cool:

[Nanbanjin]

"God is a DJ"

(Faithless) :cool:

The dojo's my church (2x)
This is where I feel my hurts
For tonight
God is my Sensei

[Marine_Boy]

The dojo's my church (2x)
This is where I feel my hurts
For tonight
God is my Sensei

(Jumps up and down with glo-sticks in hands)

[KhawMengLee]

"God is a DJ"

(Faithless) :cool:

haha...yup...DJ Seaman thinks so too...check out the cover of Awakenings.haha

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00004S2AG/qid=1090226126/sr=2-3/ref=sr_2_3/104-2895911-7962326

[Marine_Boy]

haha...yup...DJ Seaman thinks so too...check out the cover of Awakenings.haha

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00004S2AG/qid=1090226126/sr=2-3/ref=sr_2_3/104-2895911-7962326

:cool:

How hot is it in HK?

Been an awful summer here.

Ideguchi san (nito player from wakaba) is leaving for japan.

[KhawMengLee]

:cool:

How hot is it in HK?

Been an awful summer here.

Ideguchi san (nito player from wakaba) is leaving for japan.

Awful? as in rain? well, its hot and sunny here but for the past week its been typhoon season baby! hahha...oh, look! A cow just passed my window...and I live on the 27th floor!"


Yeh, I heard Aki Sensei is going:( damn! nvm, at least his nito lessons are being put to use here...hehehe

[Marine_Boy]

Awful? as in rain? well, its hot and sunny here but for the past week its been typhoon season baby! hahha...oh, look! A cow just passed my window...and I live on the 27th floor!"


Yeh, I heard Aki Sensei is going:( damn! nvm, at least his nito lessons are being put to use here...hehehe

A cow on the 27th floor? How about that little old woman and her cart who sells the deep fried tofu? Did she go past too? :)

Well there's been a lack of heat and sun and a lot of rain.

Mind you, that's good for my hayfever.

It will be Ideguchi san's last practice in around two weeks time. I think I'll ask him if he could fence against me in nito!

[Eiliries]

hi this is DaQo'tah

Im a Christian, so I dont go in for all the "inner force" stuff that so many in Kendo seem to push on students....

Im thinking about starting to take a beginners Kendo class this winter, but from what I have read about some of the ideas behind Kendo, Im not sure how my Christian faith will be able to sit still ....

I have been reading about some of the ways guys from Japan have for prayer or meditation,,,and it seems to go very much against my views as a Born-Again Christian....also if my kendo teacher tries to push that type of teaching on me, I may very well feel the need to "correct" his teachings to the class.

How do Christians work and learn within a system that seems very far from the cross of Christ...

I want to learn kendo,,,,I just dont want to have to listen to any stuff that goes against my Christian faith.....

How is this done? What the hell is wrong with you? Kendo has nothing to do with religion, kendo instructors don't push teachings upon anyone, you are paying for the lesson, and therefore willing learn from them, even if it does involve the "dark force" (which it doesn't).

God forbid anyone should try to challenge your views or look at things from a different perspective!

[Curtis]

....also if my kendo teacher tries to push that type of teaching on me, I may very well feel the need to "correct" his teachings to the class.Excuse you, you are coming to the kendo class, not the reverse. How presumptuous of you to think you have the right to come into the class and "correct" the teacher. How would you like it if someone came to your church and told you how your teachings are wrong? If someone did that at my class I would show them the door immediately.

If you cannot accept kendo for what it is then I suggest you try something else. Do I agree with everything in kendo? No, but I accept kendo for what it is and abide by it.

[abunaidesu]

In kendo everything has a consequence or reaction for doing something. Being closed minded and ignorant in a field that you might join is not a good start. I'll help you out though, when you start kendo tell the dojo "your philiosophies" and "correct the sensei", remenber the word TSKUI. Enjoy the nice feeling of sakigawa.

[orayakab]

hi this is DaQo'tah

Im a Christian, so I dont go in for all the "inner force" stuff that so many in Kendo seem to push on students....

Im thinking about starting to take a beginners Kendo class this winter, but from what I have read about some of the ideas behind Kendo, Im not sure how my Christian faith will be able to sit still ....

I have been reading about some of the ways guys from Japan have for prayer or meditation,,,and it seems to go very much against my views as a Born-Again Christian....also if my kendo teacher tries to push that type of teaching on me, I may very well feel the need to "correct" his teachings to the class.

How do Christians work and learn within a system that seems very far from the cross of Christ...

I want to learn kendo,,,,I just dont want to have to listen to any stuff that goes against my Christian faith.....

How is this done?

You're not ready to do Kendo....

Maybe you should revisit starting Kendo when you are a little more open minded......because you are not even open to learn or discover what Kendo has to teach you...you have already established an opinion based on viewing a video tape before you have even entered a dojo and learn from a Sensei.

I hope he doesn't join a place with a actual kamiza or shinzen..that's going to open up another can of worms...

Orayakab, U.

[Hai_hai]

A more relaxing way to sit in seiza, then tilt to the side on one outstretched arm. Let your legs angle off to the side so your weight isn't on top of the instep and knees. This is also how women sit so you may come off as an unknowing foreigner or homo.

Aside from that, Dakota, I think that your real struggle would be the issue of seiza in a dojo with a kamidan. There is seiza to fellow students and teachers as a form of respect and bowing in and out of the dojo, respecting the dojo. But at the beginning and end of practice, there is a seiza bow 45 degrees to the left. Whether there is a kamidan or not, you are bowing down to it. A kamidan is a god. There it is.

Everyone interprets and applies zazen, or meditation, differently. I think that what you have heard of zazen is from the Zen point of view, which in my opinion would conflict directly with your Christian views. In kendo class, there is meditation time, i.e. zazen. Everyone is sitting in seiza, the lead student yells mokuso. You then close your eyes, put your hands together with a funky ninja gangsta signal and are supposed to meditate. What you meditate on is your own business, seriously. Some people do delve into Zen teachings on meditation and apply it. Others just wait to hear the clap from the sensei, signaling the end of zazen.

Bursting out verbally towards the sensei that his teachings conflict with your faith is not proper. There is a certain respect you should show since you are attending someone else's dojo. It's all voluntary. It's kind of like this, if an Amish girl wanted to join a voluntary swim team but not wear a swimsuit, she's stepping into a conflict.

[Random]

Erm, I'm Chrisitian and I don't find anything wrong with kendo. ^^;; And they don't push you into, em, 'finding your inner power' or something. I think the main part of meditatin, for instance, is focusing. It is all about the discipline. e.x

[Twobitmage]

actually alot of steps have already been taken to make it NOT offensive to non shinto/buddhists

For example, way back when kendoka would bow to the front of the dojo, not simply to pay respects to the owner and place they practice, but to pay respects to a shinto god (not sure which one).

And as said, when you do zazen you arent praying to buddha. You are sitting. Its as simple as that

[Hai_hai]

Im a Christian, so I dont go in for all the "inner force" stuff that so many in Kendo seem to push on students....
That would be ki. Kendo and other eastern martial arts and acupuncturist and eastern religious persons believe that ki exists. Kendo puts a particular emphasis on ki in the phrase ki-ken-tai-ichi. Your interpretation may have been misunderstood by others on this forum. The idea of "Ki" is pushed on students. In all attacks, you do want your ki involved. Maybe "inner force" sounds too mystical or maybe not.


...Im thinking about starting to take a beginners Kendo class this winter, but from what I have read about some of the ideas behind Kendo, Im not sure how my Christian faith will be able to sit still ....
You have read as much here as you can and have received opinions. Go with your gut instinct. Kendo will cost you time and money and if you are anything like me, you will want to spend a good amount of your hard earned money on good-looking bogu.


I have been reading about some of the ways guys from Japan have for prayer or meditation,,,and it seems to go very much against my views as a Born-Again Christian....also if my kendo teacher tries to push that type of teaching on me, I may very well feel the need to "correct" his teachings to the class.
In kendo class, religious ideas are not pushed. I've already wrote about zazen a couple of messages back. You will see some kendoka who are of an Eastern religion and apply that in their kendo practices. Kendo has Zen roots as do other martial arts. So some philosphical ideas presented in practice will have Zen roots or even be blatantly Zen.


How do Christians work and learn within a system that seems very far from the cross of Christ...
Go with your gut instinct. Zen Buddism is an eastern religion. How much you see of it in kendo isn't going to change. If it bothers you now, it will probably bother you later.


I want to learn kendo,,,,I just dont want to have to listen to any stuff that goes against my Christian faith.....How is this done?
There are books on kendo. Read as much as possible. Then, decide whether kendo is for you or not. Riding the exercise bike at the YMCA can get boring and there are various other sports that may be better suited to keep you in shape, be challenging, and not bother your conscience.

You've received some angry replies due to the way you presented your thoughts and you'll probably get the same response in person.

[Hai_hai]

Is kendo covered in the bible?
Yes, it is. Those who live by the sword, die by the sword. However, the sentence has a deeper meaning... in modern times, you can substitute the word sword with gun or whatever other weapon. If you live your live taking things with force via a sword, you are probably going to die by running into someone else who carries a sword and uses it to get what he or she wants.

Kendo is far from leading the gangster or hoodlum lifestyle.

[psywarblade]

Im a Christian, so I dont go in for all the "inner force" stuff that so many in Kendo seem to push on students....

Kei, or energy I think is what you are thinking of when you say "inner force". As someone on here has already said you are confusing Kendo with Star Wars. Kei is the ability to focus you entire attention on the fight and doing whatever move you are attempting at speed and with your whole heart. A Kiai or large shout is meant to harden the abdomen and chest muscles, scare teh shit out of your opponent, and allow you exert full force. It really is more of a midnset then anything.



Im thinking about starting to take a beginners Kendo class this winter, but from what I have read about some of the ideas behind Kendo, Im not sure how my Christian faith will be able to sit still ....

we have talked this through in other threads and I think you are digging two deep. Kendo is a sport like any other. Yes it has deep roots in ancient tradition. But at no time does ti become more then a sport, unless you want it to. If your referencing to the bowing it is not a prayer thing. it is designed to catch your head if the person you are bowing to so chooses.



I have been reading about some of the ways guys from Japan have for prayer or meditation,,,and it seems to go very much against my views as a Born-Again Christian....also if my kendo teacher tries to push that type of teaching on me, I may very well feel the need to "correct" his teachings to the class.

Ironic that you brought this up now. We acctually addressed this issue at class last night. Meditation means different things to different people. We were told to use it as a time to focus on what we are going to work on for that day and what we can do to improve ourselves. I personally ask whomever is watching over me to keep me from injury and try not to kill anyone.



How do Christians work and learn within a system that seems very far from the cross of Christ...
I want to learn kendo,,,,I just dont want to have to listen to any stuff that goes against my Christian faith.....
How is this done?
There are so many christians in kendo that have an unwaivering love for thier god. They do not compromise thier beleifs for anything. And they have had no problem with kendo. I personally think you are just reading to much into it. Whatever you decide good luck to you and if you need someone to talk to about this more thouroughly just give me a holler

[D'Artagnan]

Kendo is for Everybody.

It is too good for no one, and no is too good for it.

[Wout]

hi this is DaQo'tah

Im a Christian, so I dont go in for all the "inner force" stuff that so many in Kendo seem to push on students....



What do you expect??? someone else to win the fights for you? Or don't you trust your own abilities so you are looking for an outer force to do kendo for you. The 'inner force' also refers to the fact that you do kendo to improve yourself, that means you have to take the steps yourself, a sensei can only give you a direction or push you at times, but the most important thing is that you want to improve, their is no bigger force that can do it for you.

If I was truly malicious I could argue that depending on a being outside oneself to solve the prblems is something typicly christian. I have sinned, let Jesus die for absolution. :)

[DCPan]

How do Christians work and learn within a system that seems very far from the cross of Christ...


I'm a Christian.

Rather than lumping Christanity as a whole, why not ask yourself what is it about "YOUR" interpretation of Christianity that makes it incompatible? More importantly, what is it about your "misunderstanding" of what kendo is about that makes it so incompatible?

Having conservative vs. liberal interpretations of the Bible will change how you view things. That's a whole other can of worms more suited for discussion elsewhere.

When you can read the Bible in multiple languages, it makes you take it less literally. I'm obviously not a fundamentalist.

FWIW...

[itachi]

I say, do not pay attention to the video ....... and meditating is not "empty your mind", its like calm down and concentrate, and don't think about anything else because this 2 hours will be about kendo.

[DaQo'tah]

Hai hai...

Good post, I read it many times over.

so far I dont expect much trouble from the study of kendo. I do expect my kendo teachers to teach my mind and body how to do this sport, and thats the end of it.
If I catch a teacher going off the deep end with some "spirit" stuff, I will correct that and explane that "The DaQo'tah is already saved and Born-Again, and so I dont need any help in that area.

as far as bowing to the Buddest alters that are in some Kendo scvhools...I dont have a real problem with that...I believe its just a tradition and that as I believe the buddest faith is meaningless, the alter is just as meaningless to me....so there is really no problem bowing to ..."whatever"


Thanks for the good advice!

[Sentunim]

It's not like it's meaningless. You should respect their culture at least. I bow out of respect, though I'm not buddhist myself.

[amatsuda]

as far as bowing to the Buddest alters that are in some Kendo scvhools...I dont have a real problem with that...I believe its just a tradition and that as I believe the buddest faith is meaningless, the alter is just as meaningless to me....so there is really no problem bowing to ..."whatever"

Geez...this guy is just on a roll isn't he?

What perplexes me is that his concerns are the complete opposite of some of the Christian arguments I have heard....

He has an issue with an intangible, complex and nebulous concept of "Ki" which would not even apply at the Complete Beginner stage or of spirituality but then has no problem bowing to an altar even though the contrary of bowing to idols is written in Exodus....

Exodus 20:3 – Thou shall not have [worship] other Gods before me, Exodus 20:4 - Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness [of any thing] that [is] in heaven above, or that [is] in the earth beneath, or that [is] in the water under the earth, and Exoduct 20:5 - Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God [am] a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth [generation] of them that hate me.

I hope that you reconsider your position if you ever come to NCKF or San Jose and practice at a "meaningless" dojo like the Dojo at SJ Nichiren.

amatsuda

[Neil Gendzwill]

as far as bowing to the Buddest alters that are in some Kendo scvhools...I dont have a real problem with that...I believe its just a tradition and that as I believe the buddest faith is meaningless, the alter is just as meaningless to me....so there is really no problem bowing to ..."whatever"

And here expressed in a few sentences is the problem I have with born-again Christians - "we have the one true faith, the rest of you are going to hell". Asshat.

[Nanbanjin]

And here expressed in a few sentences is the problem I have with born-again Christians - "we have the one true faith, the rest of you are going to hell". Asshat.
Do they play kendo in hell? If it gets me away people like this DaQo'tah wanker my bogu's packed.

[Hai_hai]

Hai hai...

Good post, I read it many times over....
Dakota,
There's a Japanese phrase that one says when you first meet someone. It's Doozo yoroshiku. The translation is "please be kind to me". People are constantly showing polite behaviour on the outside with the constant bowing... even when they don't respect the other person.
If you do decide to study kendo and take classes, direct confrontation will distance you further, regardless of what you say. Therefore, creating a relationship wall. One example is the way you are expressing your thoughts. You have the freedom of speech and religion to express what you want to say here. However, you are stepping on people's toes.
There's the saying in the Bible (paraphrased here), where if you and your faith are not excepted, dust off your shoes and continue on your way. Kendo classes may be a community of sorts that you may not want to enter.

[DaQo'tah]

Hai Hai..

another good posting!


I can only answer for myself and my view that kendo and Kumdo are something I would like to explore on a deeper level, than just downloading a few short video clips.

I believe that Kendo has many good things going for it and I believe that this comming year should give me many good memories.

[webjunkie401]

DaQo'tah,

I think that you should really take Hai Hai's advice seriously. The being polite and respectful bit. Just from the reactions some of your statements have gotten in this thread, it should be evident that by disrespecting another's beliefs, even if unintentionally, you can step on their toes quite easily.

I am a christian as well, so I can understand your perspective. But remember, even if something is meaningless to you, it still has immense meaning to someone else, and to disregard that is to pay them a grave disservice. Even if something is meaningless, you should realize that it has meaning for someone, just as your beliefs have meaning to you, and you should respect that.

[DaQo'tah]

amatsuda
......

Fundamental to the Christian Faith is the understanding that the Old Testament is read only in the completed "LIGHT" of the New Testament,,,,and not the other way around.

One can not place New Wine in old wine skins...for the new wine bursts the skins that can not expand.

In this way the Christian is able to view the different false gods of other's traditions as meaningless in the Grand scheme of things. If there are some altars that some pray to that are to be found in a home Im visiting, or in a professional complex, then while Im a guest I give the respect that is due as a guest,,and this falls completely in line with 1st Corinthians 10:27...

If I know an altar is meaningless due to the fact that the worship of it is rejected by my Lord jesus, then its meaningless to me as well...

Thats why I wrote that I have no trouble bowing to "Whatever" because I know it is a Meaningless artifact of a tradition...It has no bearing on reality nor my Christian Faith...

However also in line with 1 CO 10:28 I should also make sure that everyone knows that the artifact is meaningless to me, so that no one is ever confused to think Im worshiping a false God. ...(As you can see, I state me beliefs quite openly so no one is ever confused about what I think...LOL)

To the Christians that have a problem with my High Tolerance of what I know to be False systems of beliefe, I can only say that The Apostle Paul writes that he was able to thank God for meat sacrificed to False idols, for he knew that the idol is nothing ...My idea is that I can disregard what others who are into Zen and Buddism think about some artifacts found in their Kendo halls, for I can change it to represent something else.

This falls in line with 1 Co 10: 31 where we all are instructed in that whatever we do, to do it all for the Glory of the One True God...

[Kaoru]

Please watch your language. There are kids on this forum. As it is, I will ask a moderator to either delete this post or alter your foul words, whichever he sees fit. I normally won't report a post, but you went overboard. You can have an opinion, but you need to keep it clean. IE: Not only not foul mouthed but not trashy as well. Some of these things you said are revolting.

Kaoru

[Kirin]

DaQo'tah,

wow... you are the first person who got banned from seatle and san jose dojo, before you even start kendo.


If you ever go these dojo, dont tell them you are from Dakota... tell them you are from east or north-east :wink:

[Nanbanjin]

Please watch your language. There are kids on this forum. As it is, I will ask a moderator to either delete this post or alter your foul words, whichever he sees fit. I normally won't report a post, but you went overboard. You can have an opinion, but you need to keep it clean. IE: Not only not foul mouthed but not trashy as well. Some of these things you said are revolting.

Kaoru

Yeah... but when you look past the obscenities he does have a few good points. Certainly different to the posts we normally get here. I wonder if he's a kendo player.

[Random m0f0]

Please watch your language. There are kids on this forum. As it is, I will ask a moderator to either delete this post or alter your foul words, whichever he sees fit. I normally won't report a post, but you went overboard. You can have an opinion, but you need to keep it clean. IE: Not only not foul mouthed but not trashy as well. Some of these things you said are revolting.

Kaoru
Oh dear. I think I just shat myself.

[Marine_Boy]

I have wanted to something on this thread before but refrained from doing so, as I did not want to offend.

This was because at first I thought Daqotah was baiting everyone with this "I am a born again christian".

But then I read that he was trying to change his views.

Now he's preaching to us about his religion.

I say stop feeding this troll and close the thread.

Over on ebudo, there has been in excess of 20 or so pages generated on budo and religion.

I feel that only one person I know can drag this theological debate on.

I think I'll invite him over for his input and have a "talk" with daqotah.

[Kaoru]

Yeah... but when you look past the obscenities he does have a few good points. Certainly different to the posts we normally get here. I wonder if he's a kendo player.
Yes, but the way he presents them is childish and offensive. I could have commented on some of his points, but he is so rude and classless, that I decided not to bother. Check his other posts. He doesn't have anything civil to say. I don't think he knows what being kind to others even means. Yes, Dakota is um... what Hotei-san said and what Meng-san said. But, there is no need to be downright mean. Having an opinion is one thing. Being nasty, rude and mean is another thing entirely. Hate is a bad thing. He is consumed by it.

Kaoru

[misterkurukuru]

is this thread about christ doing kendo...cos if he did do kendo, it would not be kool. no one could touch him because his dad is the big guy in the sky. This is taking ,"my dad can beat up your dad" to a whole new level! I wish we got to eat body of christ ( i personaly like his toe nails) for bento, and i would be down to have a few kegs of his blood too! I know all about christ so ask away...i watched dogma 3 times :wink:

Every swing he makes is a miracle shot…dude that is sooooo not fair

[Kaoru]

I have wanted to something on this thread before but refrained from doing so, as I did not want to offend.

This was because at first I thought Daqotah was baiting everyone with this "I am a born again christian".

But then I read that he was trying to change his views.

Now he's preaching to us about his religion.

I say stop feeding this troll and close the thread.

Over on ebudo, there has been in excess of 20 or so pages generated on budo and religion.

I feel that only one person I know can drag this theological debate on.

I think I'll invite him over for his input and have a "talk" with daqotah.
That is the BEST idea I have ever heard so far! Yeah.. Let Tony(Where IS he??), Harvey and oh gosh...who is the other? BruceB? Elder999 too... have at him. :D Then, he can leave us all in peace... :)

I agree with closing this thread

Kaoru

[Marine_Boy]

That is the BEST idea I have ever heard so far! Yeah.. Let Tony(Where IS he??), Harvey and oh gosh...who is the other? BruceB? Elder999 too... have at him. :D Then, he can leave us all in peace... :)

I agree with closing this thread

Kaoru

It's ok kaoru, just put the word out to Tony.

We shall have to wait and see...

I shalln't call over the rest of the guys as I don't think it'll be right thing to do, having ebudoka swamp kendoworld.

BruceB? I know where he's been hiding out (over at aikiforum) and I don't think kendoworld is ready for his "postings" yet.

[KhawMengLee]

It's ok kaoru, just put the word out to Tony.

We shall have to wait and see...

I shalln't call over the rest of the guys as I don't think it'll be right thing to do, having ebudoka swamp kendoworld.

BruceB? I know where he's been hiding out (over at aikiforum) and I don't think kendoworld is ready for his "postings" yet.


Nooooooooooooooooooooo...BruceB is the devil!

[Nanbanjin]

is this thread about christ doing kendo...cos if he did do kendo, it would not be kool. no one could touch him because his dad is the big guy in the sky. This is taking ,"my dad can beat up your dad" to a whole new level!

But his dad let him get crucified. If that's anything to go by Christ would have to do kakarigeiko for forty days and forty nights or something similarly biblical.

[Marine_Boy]

Nooooooooooooooooooooo...BruceB is the devil!

:laugh::laugh::laugh:

[KhawMengLee]

But his dad let him get crucified. If that's anything to go by Christ would have to do kakarigeiko for forty days and forty nights or something similarly biblical.


ooo....does that mean (in reference to the Spear of Longines) Eiga Sensei will tsuki him in the ribs?

Wooooo...the shinai of Eiganes!

[Nanbanjin]

ooo....does that mean (in reference to the Spear of Longines) Eiga Sensei will tsuki him in the ribs?

Wooooo...the shinai of Eiganes!

Nice.
But is the men-towel of turin a fake?

[DaQo'tah]

Marine_Boy
...From what I know of both the Christian walk, and the art of Kendo, I have learned to always have a firm yet calm respect to others who disagree with me and never allow myself to become upset at being attacked.

Greater men than I in the history of my faith have had worse things spoken to them, so why would I expect to be treated any better?.......I dont.

I started this topic due to some things I have always had a questions about, as well as some things a noted kendo teacher had to say on a teaching video I just got last week on Ebay.

From what I have learned from this forum: that there is really no need to worry about the teachings of Kendo on my Christian faith, that the "Inner power/force" that the Kendo Video spoke of is not really all that I thought it was, and that any things that might come up like the "Bowing topic" can be easly translated into something to the Christian that is very helpfull in the sport of Kendo.

[KhawMengLee]

Nice.
But is the men-towel of turin a fake?

yes...along with the Splinters of the True Dou(Cross) selling for $9.99 at the Vatican Kendo Gift Shop.

[KhawMengLee]

Marine_Boy
...From what I know of both the Christian walk, and the art of Kendo, I have learned to always have a firm yet calm respect to others who disagree with me and never allow myself to become upset at being attacked.

Of the art of Kendo? Well...obviously not much...please don't try to act like you are a sensei.

As for calm respect...hahaha...yes, remind me how calling other people's culture and religion meaningless translates into "calm respect".

Listen El Koreshi Hitler, take your potty mouth and go expunge your calm respect in the nearest sewer or Branch Davidian meeting,eh.

[DaQo'tah]

KML
"Potty"?

Please refer to my post about how the world treated greater men of my faith than I...

I have never said (even one time) that I was a teacher of things in the Kendo world....what I have learned comes mostly from you and the others who take the time to post to me.....Your posts are what I any others reading this topic see of the face of Kendo...

Your posts are all I know of the affects the teachings of your sensei have had on your own heart.

[Marine_Boy]

Marine_Boy
...From what I know of both the Christian walk, and the art of Kendo, I have learned to always have a firm yet calm respect to others who disagree with me and never allow myself to become upset at being attacked.

Greater men than I in the history of my faith have had worse things spoken to them, so why would I expect to be treated any better?.......I dont.

I started this topic due to some things I have always had a questions about, as well as some things a noted kendo teacher had to say on a teaching video I just got last week on Ebay.

From what I have learned from this forum: that there is really no need to worry about the teachings of Kendo on my Christian faith, that the "Inner power/force" that the Kendo Video spoke of is not really all that I thought it was, and that any things that might come up like the "Bowing topic" can be easly translated into something to the Christian that is very helpfull in the sport of Kendo.

I don't want to get into an argument with you. In fact I don't have any problems with you being a christian and are thinking of taking up kendo.

I didn't even mind you questioning what kendo is, but what got me is how this thread has slowly sour without many people noticing.

When most people have questions for a topic or subject that they do not know much about, they are usually very accepting of the ideas. However, I find that you seem to have already formed your own opinions of kendo and are fighting back against the comments and advice given to you, so that it answers your initial questions.

I am not trying attack you. I simply put down my reasons for the closure of this thread, as I have seen on other budo forums how out of hand topics like this can get.

However, I feel that I do not have the knowledge and experience to hold a decent discussion with yourself on this subject, I therefore invited someone who I believe is a better person to do so.

[KhawMengLee]

KML
"Potty"?

Please refer to my post about how the world treated greater men of my faith than I...

I have never said (even one time) that I was a teacher of things in the Kendo world....what I have learned comes mostly from you and the others who take the time to post to me.....Your posts are what I any others reading this topic see of the face of Kendo...

Your posts are all I know of the affects the teachings of your sensei on your own heart.

The face of Kendo? Dude...I think you are one of those airheads who think that Japan is all Hello Kitty and that Samurai walk the street. Japan just like anywhere else in the world...Just because you do kendo does not make you a saint.

Life is Dojo

In a dojo there are good people, bad people, stubborn, understanding, young, old, wise, brash, etc...the dojo is a reflection of the bigger world that surrounds it.

Do not think that you can come in here and badmouth our art, culture and religion and we'll take it smiling and bowing away. Some people might tolerate it, I won't.

Don't try to change your outlook now as the poor persecuted noble man on this forum. You are an ignorant lout, who think exactly like the intolerant fanatics in Al Quida and you earlier posts only inforce that image. As you can see no one likes you because you are a nob. Reflect on that, inprove yourself and maybe you'll get a life.

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As for my heart, well, I sleep peacefully.

And as for my posts...do you see anyone complaining?

Now every post you have placed has been met with negativity.

As they say, if you walk into a bar and everyone in there hates you...maybe something is wrong with the Bar. If you walk into 20 bars and everyone there hates you...maybe there's something wrong with YOU.

[KhawMengLee]

I don't want to get into an argument with you. In fact I don't have any problems with you being a christian and are thinking of taking up kendo.

I didn't even mind you questioning what kendo is, but what got me is how this thread has slowly sour without many people noticing.

When most people have questions for a topic or subject that they do not know much about, they are usually very accepting of the ideas. However, I find that you seem to have already formed your own opinions of kendo and are fighting back against the comments and advice given to you, so that it answers your initial questions.

I am not trying attack you. I simply put down my reasons for the closure of this thread, as I have seen on other budo forums how out of hand topics like this can get.

However, I feel that I do not have the knowledge and experience to hold a decent discussion with yourself on this subject, I therefore invited someone who I believe is a better person to do so.

And here is an example of a more tolerant person :) and we are from the same dojo. Seriously Bro, you are too nice...btw, is that smelly idiot with the nunchucks still in our dojo?

Invited someone?!? OMG, not BruceB!!!!!

[Marine_Boy]

And here is an example of a more tolerant person :) and we are from the same dojo. Seriously Bro, you are too nice...btw, is that smelly idiot with the nunchucks still in our dojo?

Invited someone?!? OMG, not BruceB!!!!!


Awh jeeze, you're too kind.

That smelly idiot with the nunchucks has been gone for quite a while.

You know what, he once asked me how many swords I owe then told me that he had a large collection of samurai swords at home which he "uses".

That guy started around the time I got into bogu and that must have been at least a year ago. But he was a strange kind of fellow. He'd watch you do kata but he'd be standing right next to you.

The last time I saw him was when he was practicing kirikaishi when a raw beginner and "teaching" him how it should be done...

[KhawMengLee]

Awh jeeze, you're too kind.

That smelly idiot with the nunchucks has been gone for quite a while.

You know what, he once asked me how many swords I owe then told me that he had a large collection of samurai swords at home which he "uses".

That guy started around the time I got into bogu and that must have been at least a year ago. But he was a strange kind of fellow. He'd watch you do kata but he'd be standing right next to you.

The last time I saw him was when he was practicing kirikaishi when a raw beginner and "teaching" him how it should be done...

yeeeeesss...I know...A bunch of us had to teach him at some point as well and after a while you just wanted to crack him on the head and say "Concentrate!" He'd be looking off at the advance class with the "oh, I don't need to learn this. I bet I could take on those guys look" on his face.

Yeh, the standing next to you thing. He creeps everyone out like that...Aki Sensei was giving me some Nito advice in the middle of our jigeiko session and he walked up and stood next to us to listen...he even went so far as to stop Aki in mid sentence to ask where he could buy a shoto...we just stood and stared at him for a few seconds before Aki asked him to move away as he might get "accidentally" hit when we start fighting again.

Actually, soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo many people wanted him in Bogu...

[Marine_Boy]

yeeeeesss...I know...A bunch of us had to teach him at some point as well and after a while you just wanted to crack him on the head and say "Concentrate!" He'd be looking off at the advance class with the "oh, I don't need to learn this. I bet I could take on those guys look" on his face.

Yeh, the standing next to you thing. He creeps everyone out like that...Aki Sensei was giving me some Nito advice in the middle of our jigeiko session and he walked up and stood next to us to listen...he even went so far as to stop Aki in mid sentence to ask where he could buy a shoto...we just stood and stared at him for a few seconds before Aki asked him to move away as he might get "accidentally" hit when we start fighting again.

Actually, soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo many people wanted him in Bogu...

He did that to you too!

I just hope we haven't accidentally armed a nutter with sword / shinai skills...

[Hai_hai]

..Yeh, the standing next to you thing. He creeps everyone out like that...Aki Sensei was giving me some Nito advice in the middle of our jigeiko session and he walked up and stood next to us to listen...he even went so far as to stop Aki in mid sentence to ask where he could buy a shoto...we just stood and stared at him for a few seconds before Aki asked him to move away as he might get "accidentally" hit when we start fighting again...
That was the best "samurai-wanna-be" story I have ever heard.

[Hai_hai]

Dakota,
Some statements are better accepted from those whom you have established a personal friendship with because the other person knows that you have a genuine interest in their life. Similar statements made to strangers come off as judgmental.
If you are interested in a sword-type martial arts without any religious slant, try fencing.

[nodachi]

Random thoughts for this thread...

Being respectful in words to others while thinking in your head that their beliefs are meaningless or false... how is this respectfull? Sounding respectful and being respectful are two different things.

Part of our purpose in doing kendo is "To associate with others with sincerity"

Hard to do when the mouth says one thing and the mind thinks another.

Also, how do you know others' beliefs are false? You have faith that your belief system is good, but having faith means believing in something that there is not necessarily proof for. We could all be wrong and the wacky guy on the street corner with the sign saying God posing as aliens are coming to harvest us to the heavenly purple planet could be right. Sounds far fetched, but we still need to acknowledge that our faith does not mean certainty so I shouldn't throw away his thoughts as trash because maybe he is right.

:puzzled:

[indigo0086]

well, not beleiving in other's beleifs and thinking one's beleifs are meaningless are two different things. You don't have to accept everyone, but shoudl respect them.

[npk9]

KML
"Potty"?

Your posts are all I know of the affects the teachings of your sensei have had on your own heart.
Yes thats true and if one of similiar attitude would come to my sensei's dojo (which few have). My sensei would respond by saying - "THERE IS NOTHING FOR ME TO TEACH YOU! You think you know kendo! I know - you think you know what kendo is all about. There is nothing that you can learn from me. I'm not being mean but please leave." (yes this has happened - I've seen it). Being sincere to yourself is important but at times it doesn't hurt to have a little ettiquite. It's not the information that we present that makes people angry but how we present it. I think we need to work on our presentation skills.

[DaQo'tah]

Hai,,,Hai...

I invite you to drop back in this topic of mine and re-read my posts. You will notice that for the first 4 pages the people that were posting on this topic were just sending normal posts to me about stuff...

But then notice what happens of page 5!.....There on page five of this topic a new bunch of posters show up and begin to use the "F" word,,,,a lot....

Yes, starting at page five the "F-Word is popping up all the time...

I believe this was meant to shock me,,,but as Im an adult I can overlook such foolishness,,,however I do question what reason a person would want for one of his own posts to be filled with such things?....I know that when I post I try to always remember that the Post is going to be seen by many people,,by children,,,by moms and dads,,,,and so I try to always post in a style that can be read to children so that the good Lord never has to step in and correct my mis-use of my free speach .

Hai Hai, if you back up in this topic and have a read, I would be interested in your views of what some post like,,,,and the way I post too,,,for I have re-read my posts to this time and I find NOTHING that needs to be explaned nor changed,,,I have stated my views, asked important questions, thanked people for their advice,,,all this while doing a darn good job at reflecting my Lord to posters who clearly are at odds with my Lord.

[DaQo'tah]

nodachi
...
You have asked about my views on showing respect to people I know are in the wrong...

From time to time we all will run into people that we have to deal with that are just a lot of work.

At such times, the way to get past this situation is to think back to the Word...and to remember the "Golden Rule"....and this helps us know how to deal with others who do and say evil things...

Do onto others as you would have them do onto you...

Know I can see clearly that the "Golden Rule" is not much in effect around this forum sometimes, But I still am convinced that it is the best way for me to live my life. When I run into people of a different faith, or as here people that are just very rude to me and my faith and my country,,,my answer to them is meant to reflect how I wish to be treated by them...My answer is to remain calm and respectfull,,,

I dont answer spit for spit.

I look for posters that are not so swept up in being bullies and to make sure that I seek their counsel and views,,,for that is how I would be treated by them too...

The angery, personal attacks?...I just over look them and dont read their posts, so thus they are made moot.

I cant control what others post, be it for good or ill,,But I can control my answers to them.

[Atama]

nodachi
...
You have asked about my views on showing respect to people I know are in the wrong...

From time to time we all will run into people that we have to deal with that are just a lot of work.

At such times, the way to get past this situation is to think back to the Word...and to remember the "Golden Rule"....and this helps us know how to deal with others who do and say evil things...

Do onto others as you would have them do onto you...

Know I can see clearly that the "Golden Rule" is not much in effect around this forum sometimes, But I still am convinced that it is the best way for me to live my life. When I run into people of a different faith, or as here people that are just very rude to me and my faith and my country,,,my answer to them is meant to reflect how I wish to be treated by them...My answer is to remain calm and respectfull,,,

I dont answer spit for spit.

I look for posters that are not so swept up in being bullies and to make sure that I seek their counsel and views,,,for that is how I would be treated by them too...

The angery, personal attacks?...I just over look them and dont read their posts, so thus they are made moot.

I cant control what others post, be it for good or ill,,But I can control my answers to them.


I find you quite amusing, you talk a good game sunshine but I feel your a bit of a hypocrite as I just read one of your posts on another thread in which you cleary insulted the french and you where quite rude. Maybe you need to learn tolerence I believe it speaks extensively on this subject in the bible.

I have also noticed that you don't post alot of stuff about kendo is this because you know nothing about it or that you are simply are not intrested in speaking about kendo (on this a kendo forum) just curious?

[DaQo'tah]

Atama
....Im glad you enjoy the way I play the game...umm ...er...Kumquat, but I stand fully behind every comment and post I have made on this forum. As far as my posts dealing with the french, I have been very clear that I do not believe that the french have acted correctly at all. I find the French ability to come crawling on hands and knees begging for our help when it's their butts in trouble , and then yet sit by impassively when countries like Sudan are in desperate trouble...well....I just find the French to be wrong on every call they make,,,wrong on Iraq, Wrong on Iran,,,I think the mighty French army could't help us in the future one little bit.

I believe that if North Korea attacks the South, (something I think is very close to being true) that France will likely be selling tech and gear to the North. And that if needed to help in the fight, that France could not get a ship out of it's home port ,,,and even if they (the French navy) got to aisa, the first landing ship would get lost and end up tied up outside a Hong Kong Whorehouse....

(My dad has many other stories about dealing with the French during and right after the War if you wish, I could post many)

France is a "topic", as such it's a target to my jokes and attacks,,,,thats the job of a "topic"

However you should notice that I never attack a "poster", on this forum. This is because a "Poster" has every right to their views , I never use bad words, I never tell them to :"Shut your mouth"...I might disagree with them, they may be very wrong and stand against all that I stand for, but part of what I stand for is to always show respect for people that I am talking to,,,I dont make "Posters" into the "topic".

As in Kendo, I might try my best to defeat you. But I shall never show you dishonor nor attempt to use things that show baddly on my teachers. I will try my best to beat you, because Im here to win, if I were not, then beating me is without any merit.


As for your question about what I do and don't post about,,,I believe that if you drop back to the very first postings of mine on this topic (that I started), you will have your answers....

[Eiliries]

Atama
....Im glad you enjoy the way I play the game...umm ...er...Kumquat, but I stand fully behind every comment and post I have made on this forum. As far as my posts dealing with the french, I have been very clear that I do not believe that the french have acted correctly at all. I find the French ability to come crawling on hands and knees begging for our help when it's their butts in trouble , and then yet sit by impassively when countries like Sudan are in desperate trouble...well....I just find the French to be wrong on every call they make,,,wrong on Iraq, Wrong on Iran,,,I think the mighty French army could't help us in the future one little bit.

I believe that if North Korea attacks the South, (something I think is very close to being true) that France will likely be selling tech and gear to the North. And that if needed to help in the fight, that France could not get a ship out of it's home port ,,,and even if they (the French navy) got to aisa, the first landing ship would get lost and end up tied up outside a Hong Kong Whorehouse....

(My dad has many other stories about dealing with the French during and right after the War if you wish, I could post many)

France is a "topic", as such it's a target to my jokes and attacks,,,,thats the job of a "topic"

However you should notice that I never attack a "poster", on this forum. This is because a "Poster" has every right to their views , I never use bad words, I never tell them to :"Shut your mouth"...I might disagree with them, they may be very wrong and stand against all that I stand for, but part of what I stand for is to always show respect for people that I am talking to,,,I dont make "Posters" into the "topic".

As in Kendo, I might try my best to defeat you. But I shall never show you dishonor nor attempt to use things that show baddly on my teachers. I will try my best to beat you, because Im here to win, if I were not, then beating me is without any merit.


As for your question about what I do and don't post about,,,I believe that if you drop back to the very first postings of mine on this topic (that I started), you will have your answers....
You sir, are a buffoon, I hope no kendo (or kumdo) dojo ever makes the mistake of allowing you to join them. Even if you were somehow able to weasel your way into a dojo, your narrow-mindedness would have you expelled in no time!

[DaQo'tah]

Eiliries
.......Luke 6:28

[Eiliries]

Eiliries
.......Luke 6:28
What perchance is that supposed to mean? It would be easier if you just posted what you wanted to say, instead of referring to obscure passages of the bible.

[DaQo'tah]

so you think now that my posts are too short?....thats very odd, for I was also just told to "shut my mouth"....yes, very all very odd, ,,,

[kendokamax]

DaQo'tah do you know what kote is?

[Hai_hai]

...Hai Hai, if you back up in this topic and have a read, I would be interested in your views of what some post like,,,,and the way I post too,,,for I have re-read my posts to this time and I find NOTHING that needs to be explaned nor changed,,,I have stated my views, asked important questions, thanked people for their advice,,,all this while doing a darn good job at reflecting my Lord to posters who clearly are at odds with my Lord.
Dakota,
Very well, since there is no private messaging, allow me to be more direct. Your reply to amatsuda would be "appropriate" as said to someone who is a person of the same faith. You bring up reference to Bible statements that back up your thoughts. No problem unless you are talking to someone who is not of the same faith. You aren't "preaching to the choir", so it comes off as "I am on my high horse" or "the dude with the 'The end of the world is near' sign".

[Eiliries]

so you think now that my posts are too short?....thats very odd, for I was also just told to "shut my mouth"....yes, very all very odd, ,,,
Listen, if I wanted to tell you that your posts are too short, I would have done so. Also, I have never asked you to "shut your mouth" although, now you mention it, that's a good idea.

[AlexM]

Get thine biblical opinions over to e-budo.com: They'll love you there.

Wow, a religious zealot does not like France... I'm shedding a tear.... nope, false alarm. Your exactly the kind of person I really want "liking" France. :D Your disaproval of France is like a ringing endorsement to my ears... if I actually cared what you "think".

I feel sorry for Americans that have to put up with your kind: you guys give the US a bad name. An overly loud minority with both an inferiority and persecution complex: so common among the overly pious.

The "location" you posted in your profile is far too long and constantly screws up the screen length... fortunately I don't really care much for your posts or threads so I don't encounter this problem too much. But just to be sure I'll still stick you in my ignore file... and so ends my foray into feeding a troll: I feel so dirty and unsatisfied.

Doesn't anyone post on the topic of kendo anymore? Or better yet... actually practice kendo?

(French sailors visiting brothels!!! Shocking! It's shocking that they prefer women over men: They should follow the example of the British and American navies. Hot guy on guy action! Sexy.)

Note ot the mods: Could this thread be moved to the flames section? Just a suggestion. (my apologies in advance for bringing down the level of discourse on the site: I will do 50 suburi with a suburito as pennance :))

[Marine_Boy]

As I have already mentioned, I have nothing against people and their religion.

They can do what they want.

But daqotah. Please stop with your bible bashing on this forum and stop forcing your "Lord" down our throats. There are other christian kendoka here and they don't run around chastising themselves at every opportunity!


Eiliries
.......Luke 6:28


I believe this was meant to shock me,,,but as Im an adult I can overlook such foolishness,,,however I do question what reason a person would want for one of his own posts to be filled with such things?....I know that when I post I try to always remember that the Post is going to be seen by many people,,by children,,,by moms and dads,,,,and so I try to always post in a style that can be read to children so that the good Lord never has to step in and correct my mis-use of my free speach .

Hai Hai, if you back up in this topic and have a read, I would be interested in your views of what some post like,,,,and the way I post too,,,for I have re-read my posts to this time and I find NOTHING that needs to be explaned nor changed,,,I have stated my views, asked important questions, thanked people for their advice,,,all this while doing a darn good job at reflecting my Lord to posters who clearly are at odds with my Lord.

Finally, may I ask what you know of kendo and its philosophy? I can say for my self that I don't know much apart from what I feel is morally correct. So my question to you again is, if you haven't even stepped foot in a kendo dojo how do you keep quoting that you know kendo???


As in Kendo, I might try my best to defeat you. But I shall never show you dishonor nor attempt to use things that show baddly on my teachers. I will try my best to beat you, because Im here to win, if I were not, then beating me is without any merit.

[DaQo'tah]

kendokamax


"One of the greatest strides in developing protective armor for the practice session was Chuta's invention of the kote or fencing glove." (THIS IS KENDO, page 52)

[KhawMengLee]

kendokamax


"One of the greatest strides in developing protective armor for the practice session was Chuta's invention of the kote or fencing glove." (THIS IS KENDO, page 52)

kote:

1) Protective gauntlet made of leather, cloth and deer/horse hair. Used to protect the forearm from strikes.

2) One of the 5 valid targets in kendo for fighting in Itto.

3) Protective armor covering the whole arm. Part of a Yoroi(japanese armored suit) the kote was made of tough silk or cloth material sewn with leather and steel to protect a samurais' arms in battle.

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According to your qoute then, why was the development of Chuta's kote so important?

[DaQo'tah]

Hai hai...

Interesting, for I actually thought that his comments about the Old test were showing that he was the most into the questions I was dealing with...

If you remember the context:,,we were dealing with the bowing to "things" in the Dojo that , to some people, have a Faith or Spirit connection to their faith.

My answer is that I have no problem bowing to such "things" due to the fact that as the said 'thing" is not in my faith, as it has nothing to do with my faith, and is of no meaning to me. Then bowing becomes just a way to show "respect" to the "tradition" of the Dojo. Im not offended at all to be asked to bow to such 'things....or "whatever" else there is in this or that Dojo. Its a meaningless thing to me, and Im not concerned at all that such things are worth fighting over.

BUT,,,,(and here is where amat's post come up), But there are some Christians that I have run into that are crazy about not even looking at things found in other faiths. They are always getting on me for being too Liberal in my "Live and let live" attitudes.

Thus we now get to the post sent to me to confront me on this way i believe. here is that post - "

("Exodus 20:3 ? Thou shall not have [worship] other Gods before me, Exodus 20:4 - Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness [of any thing] that [is] in heaven above, or that [is] in the earth beneath, or that [is] in the water under the earth, and Exoduct 20:5 - Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God [am] a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth [generation] of them that hate me.")

Now Hai Hai, in my answer I give my point of view, and it's a point of view that should be well known to all Bible believeing Christians. That being that the New Testament is better than the Old Testament. For in the New Testament we are given the "light" that we need to be able to read the Old, and never the other way around.

This is the answer I still stand behind....

perhaps it is not an answer that some Christians or people of other faiths are familiar with, and this is regretable.

But it is the best and only correct answer for all the rest lack the ability to maintain the difference between a Born again believer under GRACE, and they who were born and held under the LAW.

[DaQo'tah]

M Boy...

If you truly are one who does not have a problem with people and their religion, then we will get along fine, for I am a person and I have religion.

and I live on-line with Romans 14:16 always on my mind.

[Marine_Boy]

M Boy...

If you truly are one who does not have a problem with people and their religion, then we will get along fine, for I am a person and I have religion.

Yes we can get along fine. But could you please stop your preaching and talk kendo instead.

[DaQo'tah]

M boy...

Perhaps you misunderstand the point of this topic?

This topic is here because of the questions I have in some parts of Kendo and if they go against the Christian point of view,,

However, if you even glance at the history of this topic you will notice 2 things,,,,First you will notice a HUGE anti-Christian mood in the many posts that dwell on over-use of 4-letter words, (In deed, for some posters if you took out the "F word" there would be little left to read of their posts)...and thats a real shame, for it brings shame not only on their heads forever, but it is a shame that children could be reading the evil words as well....

The 2nd thing you will notice is that no matter what, I never stoop to showing disrespect to people,,,,even to evil and vile posters that have no business posting . I never lose my calm,,I never return Spit for Spit....for Im a Good Christian in deeds as well as words...My heart is reflected in my actions,,,,

I do not intend to back-down, I do not intend to go away,,,,But I shall do what I think is best. I think posting in my own way is best...

[Marine_Boy]

M boy...

Perhaps you misunderstand the point of this topic?

This topic is here because of the questions I have in some parts of Kendo and if they go against the Christian point of view,,

However, if you even glance at the history of this topic you will notice 2 things,,,,First you will notice a HUGE anti-Christian mood in the many posts that dwell on over-use of 4-letter words, (In deed, for some posters if you took out the "F word" there would be little left to read of their posts)...and thats a real shame, for it brings shame not only on their heads forever, but it is a shame that children could be reading the evil words as well....

The 2nd thing you will notice is that no matter what, I never stoop to showing disrespect to people,,,,even to evil and vile posters that have no business posting . I never lose my calm,,I never return Spit for Spit....for Im a Good Christian in deeds as well as words...My heart is reflected in my actions,,,,

I do not intend to back-down, I do not intend to go away,,,,But I shall do what I think is best. I think posting in my own way is best...

I'm not asking you to go away and I agree with you that the poster who use the "F" word so many times is extreamly crass.

Nor have I misunderstood the purpose of this thread. It is good that you did and will not bring yourself down to the evil and vile posts.

Yes, we all know you are a christian and how dedicated you are to it. But what I am trying to say is, it may be a good idea to cut back on your emphasis on being one in your posts (but that does not mean you have to denounce your religion), so that you don't get as much flak from everyone else.

[mystic_kendoka]

someone please tell me wat "Romans 14:16 " and "Luke 6:28" are..

DaQo'tah u are not mentally fit for kendo, please join these people instead
http://www.shinai.org/
they are 'swordsman' who have no regards for your faith nor do they impress theirs onto you..

this reminds me of a quote i once heard.. "fighting on the internet is like winning the disabled olympics, even if you win, you're still retarded..."

[Nanbanjin]

M Boy...

If you truly are one who does not have a problem with people and their religion, then we will get along fine, for I am a person and I have religion.


You're all tolerance. I suppose you're all love and understanding when it comes to abortion and gay marraige too?

The difference between you and a person with religion is a brain. Moron.

[ratdeau]

a few i like:
"Never argue with an idiot; people watching may not be able to tell the difference."
-unknown
Seem's to suit this tread. I really like you sense of humor. I have a great fun reading these posts. Please continue.

[D'Artagnan]

However, if you even glance at the history of this topic you will notice 2 things,,,,First you will notice a HUGE anti-Christian mood in the many posts that dwell on over-use of 4-letter words, (In deed, for some posters if you took out the "F word" there would be little left to read of their posts)...and thats a real shame, for it brings shame not only on their heads forever, but it is a shame that children could be reading the evil words as well....



Hi,

first off i'd like to state that i am not interested in getting involved with the debate on this thread, and am not about to offer my opinion on it.

But, the particular individual you are refferring to here is NOT a reflection on the members of kendo world forum, or even the global kendo community. He is just some stupid kid looking to cause trouble. I, and i expect the rest of the forum, think that his posts were irrelevant, offensive and rude. The language is intolerable, and i have reported his posts to the moderators, i would not expect him to last long.

[KhawMengLee]

M boy...

Perhaps you misunderstand the point of this topic?

This topic is here because of the questions I have in some parts of Kendo and if they go against the Christian point of view,,

However, if you even glance at the history of this topic you will notice 2 things,,,,First you will notice a HUGE anti-Christian mood in the many posts that dwell on over-use of 4-letter words, (In deed, for some posters if you took out the "F word" there would be little left to read of their posts)...and thats a real shame, for it brings shame not only on their heads forever, but it is a shame that children could be reading the evil words as well....

The 2nd thing you will notice is that no matter what, I never stoop to showing disrespect to people,,,,even to evil and vile posters that have no business posting . I never lose my calm,,I never return Spit for Spit....for Im a Good Christian in deeds as well as words...My heart is reflected in my actions,,,,

I do not intend to back-down, I do not intend to go away,,,,But I shall do what I think is best. I think posting in my own way is best...

No, there is not a huge anti-christian mood. Just anti-fanatic. One person has use f-word here...you seem to a, as i said before, a very ignorant person. You are once again taking one incident and judging on the whole...ie. you sound like the kind of person who see's on TV a korean eating dog meat, and then immediately proclaims all koreans eat dog meat...you and Mr Hitler really are alike.

Secondly, I'm getting tired of saying this, you claim to have not shown disrespect but clearly by your first two posts, you have. Saying that Chi is wrong and unchristian is ignorant because you have no idea what it is. Going further to say that if your Sensei asks you to practice this you will argue with him is even a greater insult. Take it however your deluded mind wants it, from the reaction of all the members here you can see that there seriously is something wrong with you.

Never return spit for spit? Dude, In the past week you have done nothing short of insulting the french, spouted racist slurs against muslims and have insulted my culture and faith. None of the kendoka I have encountered who are Christian(catholic, mormon, pretestant, etc) have ever had any problems...because they watched, tried, and experienced firsthand before judging...I seriously think you belong more on www.stormfront.com

evil and vile posters? Theory of relativity mate! To us you are the evil one, to you we are. Only difference here is 100 people think you are a nutter and you think 100 people are the nutters...hmnnnn....freedom and democracy wins here I guess...off to looney land for you.

My heart is reflected by my actions? Riiiiiiight so advocating war with other people and spouting your words as god's will is pretty much a clear vision of your heart. You know...I used to watch TV evangelists and when they would say, "I think that God wants us too..." I would just cringe...I never had the audacity to think I knew what the big guy wants...

p.s. Please don't qoute from This is Kendo...it really is a good book but you have no idea what you are talking about.

btw, why was Chuta's innovation, the kote so important to kendo? In fact why was the development of bogu and the shinai so important as well?

[KhawMengLee]

Now Dakotey, here's a theological question thrown back to you.

Does it matter that the philosophy of Jesus and the bible is not from God? Does it detract the teachings of Jesus if he is not the son of God?

To me, no. Because his philosophy, is there to promote peace and goodwill, so that we, as a society, can live. Thou shalt not kill...why...because it causes suffering, it causes revenge, it will cause a cycle of killing...in this it makes sense.

We don't just obey a teaching without first understanding and having a reason "why".

This is the difference between you and all other Christians who do kendo. You have read of the path, you think you know the path but you have yet to walk it. There is a big difference between imagination and actual experience.

Take away divinity of Christ and you have philosophy. Take away divinity from all our religions and you have philosophy. The philosophy is the same but is different only thru culture and locality.

Thus, the base of Christianity is the same with all other religions. In calling those faiths empty and meaningless, you are also describing your own as meaningless.

The base core of all our faiths is to let us live. To let us see. To set us free.

ps. When vikings die they go to Valhalla, where they fight, feast and fornicate for eternity. When muslims go to heaven, they are in paradise with wonderful gardens and beautiful maidens galore, When buddhists reach enlightenment there is no pain nor sorrow just the everlasting bliss of perfect harmony...why is it that Pagans seem to have the best afterlife? :wink:

[Marine_Boy]

ps. When vikings die they go to Valhalla, where they fight, feast and fornicate for eternity. When muslims go to heaven, they are in paradise with wonderful gardens and beautiful maidens galore, When buddhists reach enlightenment there is no pain nor sorrow just the everlasting bliss of perfect harmony...why is it that Pagans seem to have the best afterlife? :wink:

I am torn between going to valhalla and enlightenment..

Fighting, feasting and fornicating... :ogre: :lick:

[not-I]

someone please tell me wat "Romans 14:16 " and "Luke 6:28" are..Do not allow what you consider good to be spoken of as evil.
...bless those who curse you, pray for those who ill-treat you.

These verses are typically invoked by evangelical Christian fundamentalists who interpret any disagreement with their beliefs as "persecution." Self-righteousness is another part of the package:

Im a Good Christian in deeds as well as words...My heart is reflected in my actions,,,, (DaQo'tah)

There are many other passages in the Bible, especially the sayings of Jesus, which condemn self-righteousness and command humility, but having a theological discussion with DaQo'tah makes about as much sense as discussing kendo or politics or anything else with him. For him, a discussion is not a means of communication, it is a soapbox from which to preach.

DaQo'tah is a missionary or a troll or both. He is out to convert us and, failing that, to annoy us so much that he continues to remain the center of attention. The warning signs were there in his first post. And just recently, he posted this in the flames section:

I have been able to ask the types of questions and give the type of answers that are important to me, and I have been able to see in the "type" of answers you and others are posting just what the teachings of Kendo have done to you.

It should be obvious that he doesn't give a hoot about what anyone says if it conflicts with his pre-conceptions and prejudices. He stated as much himself. I think we would all agree that this is an inappropriate mindset with which to begin kendo or to have an internet discussion.

Having followed this thread, i was hoping it would wither away of its own accord. But now, i for one am sick and tired of this. How much longer will we waste our time debating with someone who is convinced of their own infallibility? Answering a beginner's questions is one thing, but debating the finer points of kendo with an all-knowing non-kendoka is quite another.

Tolerance is all well and good, but recall the words of a famous philosopher:

Unlimited tolerance necessarily leads to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to the intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant societal order against the attacks of intolerance, then the tolerant will be destroyed and tolerance will be destroyed along with them. (Karl Popper, The Open Society & its Enemies)

In other words, and applied to this little society of ours:
Stop feeding the trolls!

Peace. Out.

[webjunkie401]

Stop feeding the trolls!

I agree with this phrase whole heartedly. This thread long ago stopped having anything to do with the subject of kendo and christianity.

Dakota,

You have said that you are being a good christian in word and deed, and I am very sorry, but you are not. It is my obligation as your brother in Christ to tell you this, but you have taken a very self-righteous, arrogant, and egotistical tone throughout your posts in this thread.

I direct you to:

Daniel 5:20 -
But when his heart became arrogant and hardened with pride, he was deposed from his royal throne and stripped of his glory.

2 Timothy: 24-25 -
And the Lord's servant must not quarrel; instead, he must be kind to everyone, able to teach, not resentful. Those who oppose him he must gently instruct, in the hope that God will grant them repentance leading them to a knowledge of the truth.

2 Peter 2:10-11 -
This is especially true of those who follow the corrupt desire of the sinful nature and despise authority. Bold and arrogant, these men are not afraid to slander celestial beings; yet even angels, although they are stronger and more powerful, do not bring slanderous accusations against such beings in the presence of the Lord.

Furthermore, you wish for people to show you respect, and to show your faith respect. The only reason that this has happened is because you have not shown others the same respect in return.

Matthew 7:12 -
So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.

[hyuna]

Tolerance is all well and good, but recall the words of a famous philosopher:

Unlimited tolerance necessarily leads to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to the intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant societal order against the attacks of intolerance, then the tolerant will be destroyed and tolerance will be destroyed along with them. (Karl Popper, The Open Society & its Enemies)

You know, I wasn't going to comment on this thread but that is a good and important quote and it makes me feel that I probably ought to say something.

I don't think DaQo'tah is getting a fair shake in this thread at all.

I thought he had a valid, if poorly worded, question and in response he got some of the worst abuse I have ever seen on this board.

I don't see anything in his postings in this thread that seem anything like proselytizing. He even suggested taking a conversation about faith off this forum at one point. He started going into detail about his faith only when people criticized his statements about buddhism and bowing to a buddhist altar. I do not think that someone stating their opinions is anything like forcing their opinions on you. The whole point of a forum is to express opinions. Maybe his opinions are distasteful. But, what is the point in discussing it if you do not want to hear why he believes as he does? You cannot try to convince someone without them trying to convince you back. That is the way arguments work.

I do not understand what gets into otherwise peaceful, reasonable, and polite people that makes them think that the correct response to rudeness is rudeness in return. So what if DaQo'tah said something insensitive or ignorant? Imagine if everyone berated everyone else for saying things that are insensitive or ignorant. Life would be a gigantic neverending flame war.

Early on in the thread he accepted what was said about ki and was happy to try kendo practice despite his original reservations. Is that the typical behavior of a person who "doesn't give a hoot about what anyone says if it conflicts with his pre-conceptions and prejudices?"

Finally, I am sure you are aware of the greater context of Popper's argument that you quoted above so I am a bit surprised that you quoted it. The point is not that people should not try to be maximally tolerant as individuals, as you seem to be suggesting. The point is more easily seen in the context of the Paradox of Freedom--if one allows total freedom, including the freedom to oppress others, then the total freedom in the world goes down. To tolerate oppression is not tolerance, it is self-subjugation. In the same way, one who tolerates calls for intolerance also does not increase the diversity of ideas necessary for Popper's view of a successful society. Calls to ban users or lock threads because they say unpopular things are an appeal to authoritative power and a call for people to be intolerant of things they do not want to be exposed to, and are precisely the opposite of what Popper argues for. No one is being oppressed by this thread's existence--if you don't like it, don't read it--so to forcibly kill it is exactly the kind of oppression that must be combated in order to preserve freedom.

[orayakab]

I got one...

You may have your psalms, your John 3:16......

Austin 3:16 says I just whooped your ass!

[DaQo'tah]

hyuna
....

What I have noticed in my life is that it is easy to praise God when things are going good, when all is well, and life is happy.

But "good times" tend to hide the real story and depth of the Faith a person has.

It is when all is lost, when all are against you, when everything goes wrong, it is then when the inner nature of the man is shown for what it is.

I can never change the things people say about me, I can only change the way such words make me feel. Far too many people will try to hide behind the reason "Well he started it first" to explane away all sorts of bad words on the Forum.

But I try never to point to another to explane away my own words, for I know that no one wrote them except for myself, and no one has to answer for every word I have writen except for myself.

I have run into people on this forum that stand against eveything I think of as Holy and Good,,,,and this fits with 2Co 4:4....yet I dont believe that any of my posts have been in sin, nor do I think any are in need of changeing. I invite all to go over the history of my different posts on this or any other topic and look for a sign that I have answered in a way not in keeping for a Christian and someone who tries to represent Christ to the Lost with every breath and Word and deed that he does....

I try to always challenge any poster at any time to test my posts against the Bible to see if I have acted in a way that stands against it....

[hyuna]

DaQo'tah,

I think you are probably not blind to the fact that your writing style creates some... agitation... on this board. You probably realize that the emotions that are being stirred up are not conducive to an intelligent and productive conversation. Regardless of the "righteousness" of your posts, it takes two to argue. It doesn't matter how right one is when one is arguing with a wall. Therefore, if you are truly interested in learning anything about kendo, I am sure you can recognize that there are things you also can do to make the conversation less hostile and more useful to everyone. It is up to you.

[mingshi]

I got one for you, dude...

"Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart, and be no more stiffnecked."

You are going to lose this bible-quoting competition!!

[Charlie]

Hi, Dakota. I'm a Christian. As both a Christian and a kendoist, I am compelled to reach out to you and help you.

It looks like this thread has gone to pot. I read the first five pages and skipped to the end. I don't see how you're being rude. I am picking up a lot of anti-Christian sentiment. Sometimes, threads here at KW get out of hand and childish.

I'll post a couple of thoughts here but instead of wading through the invective why don't you just e-mail me and we can discuss it in a much more relaxed manner?

charliekondek@yahoo.com

I know what you're going through. What is not a problem to others might be a stumbling block to you. Everyone's path is individual and we're all trying to remain holy. I had a guy come by our club once and we had a similar dialogue on the etiquette and practices of kendo. He basically took what I had told him and compared notes with his pastor (I showed what I wrote to him to my sempai, also a Christian). In the end, he decided it was not for him, although I'm not sure if he felt conflicted about the teachings or because he heard me cussing when trying to explain something. No biggie either way.

The only thing I would add here is that etiquette, what's called rei, is the beginning and end of kendo, as we say (although you wouldn't know that from some of the posts here, I see). Rei follows a form but is also inhabited by a feeling. What you want to know is if the form contradicts your religious beliefs, and if what you have in your mind when following the form contradicts your practice or pollutes your mind. In other words, when I bow to the west wall (shomen), am I bowing to other gods either in deed or intent?

The answer is no. As I explained on this other occasion, in Japanese culture a bow serves many functions, equivalent to the western handshake but also a salute, a nod, a doffing of cap, an acknolwedgment. The bow to the wall is an acknolwedgment of tradition and the enormity of the path you walk in adopting the kendo lifestyle and pursing its shugyo (discipline). Meditation can be anything you want; its form is empty, to be filled with whatever you wish, whether its clearing the mind or praying to God for a safe and productive practice.

In most dojos it can be safely said that the all forms are secular in nature, to be inhabited by whatever you want to pour into it, and it is hoped that you will pour into it with sincerity. I think some dojos may have a slightly more religious flavor (i.e. the presence of a kamidana shrine). I've never been in one that did and I probably would not have a problem visiting one that did and participating. But that's me. I'd also go with a friend to synagogue or mosque.

Anyway, e-mail me and we can talk. As for the rest of you:




Kendo begins and ends with rei. How much rei are you showing right now? If you're not sure what rei means, think about it.

[not-I]

I don't think DaQo'tah is getting a fair shake in this thread at all.
Hyuna, i value your opinion, so i've taken the time to review this thread yet again. Aside from some silliness, the worst abuse he suffered was from a 14-post KWF-nobody who has used profanity in every single message he has put up, i.e. a troll.

You're right, though, DaQo'tah asked a badly worded, but legitimate question and received several fair answers. However, he was mainly concerned about "Ki". He later admitted to having no problem with bowing to an altar because he considers Buddhism to be "meaningless," but he had already decided on this before even coming here (as he clearly stated).

You may be right about this thread, but you are missing the broader context. DaQo'tah has posted some of the most inflamatory things i've ever read in the "flames" section. And as far as proselytizing goes, consider this recent statement:

yes, I am very much needed here,,,,I have much to say yet,,,,,

I disagree that the "whole point of a forum is to express opinions." That is only part of the point. The other part is listening and learning from others, especially those with more experience, while suspending one's own opinions, at least for a moment.

In general, if someone says, "This is what i think, and these are my reasons," i will gladly listen. In a kendo forum, if i know that person is a 6th dan sensei, i won't even be too concerned about reasons, i'll simply listen and, if anything, ask for clarification. If someone else says, "This is the Truth and if you disagree with Me, you disagree with God!" i will consider a discussion with them to be an utter waste of time and energy.

Am i interested in why DaQo'tah believes what he believes? Not particularly, simply because what he believes is based on a simple leap on faith and conviction, and nothing more or less. There is no "why" in his case.

Many people have started out in this forum and soon been labelled "trolls" or "samurai wannabes" or what have you, and some of them were. But others eventually turned out to be valuable contributors, so i agree it is important to give everyone a fair shake. However, in this case, i think the welcome has been outstayed.

Yes, quoting Popper may have been making mountains out of molehills, but i'm aware of the larger context. I realize that if i don't like this thread, i don't have to read it. I also realize that if i want to tolerate open discussions, i also have to tolerate people bashing me over the head with their interpretation of Christianity and American patriotism. However, i am annoyed that so much energy is being drained from intelligent (or fun) discussions on this board, which is supposed to be devoted to kendo, only to indulge a fanatic.

I am not calling for banning DaQo'tah or locking this thread. I'm for ostracizing him by no longer replying to his provocations. This is a community of cyber-kendoka. You don't come in here as a beginner telling everyone what's what and that you will "correct them if necessary" anymore than i would go to DaQo'tah's church, stand up during the sermon and start loudly quoting Nietzsche.

Everyone deserves a fair chance, and DaQo'tah has had his. He may change yet, but i've seen his kind of behavior before, and it does not deserve to be encouraged. Others would soon follow. To paraphrase you, this forum would turn into "a gigantic neverending flame war."

[hyuna]

i've taken the time to review this thread yet again.
Thank you, I appreciate that very much.

I understand you yourself were not asking for a ban or a lock, but others have. I didn't mean to seem as though I am singling you out for your reaction to DaQo'tah. I am more responding to the general feeling of the last several pages. I wasn't going to say anything, but your Popper quote made me feel as though I were obliged to say something instead of watching everyone beat up on one person.

I think many of us are annoyed. However, if someone is tapping your shinai and it annoys you, how do you react? By losing composure and lashing out? If a beginner has poor tenouchi and keeps missing the target and bruising your hand, do you yell at them? Does calling them a stupid beginner with no understanding of kendo accomplish anything? Why should we expect yelling at DaQo'tah about his attitudes accomplish anything more? I know you are not the worst offender; again, I am just responding to the general tone of this thread with that statement.

All in all, I think we are in agreement that the best thing to do is not to respond to his provocation.

Ignoring the question of if a fundamentalist or literalist does or does not have any notion of "why", I disagree with the idea that because someone has no "why" they have nothing useful to say. A person can say something true or profound without understanding the meaning behind it, by accident, as it were. A simple question can lead to profound understanding even if it were not meant to. I agree with you that a forum is not only to express opinions, but also to listen and learn (but if the fundamental point were not to express opinions, what would we be listening to?) and therefore it is important to pay attention to what people are saying and to try to learn from it. Even when I keiko with a 6 year old, I still look for things to learn from the experience. I don't always, but I am inclined to view that more of a lacking in myself than in the child.

Thank you for your thoughtful response.

[KhawMengLee]

Thank you, I appreciate that very much.

I understand you yourself were not asking for a ban or a lock, but others have. I didn't mean to seem as though I am singling you out for your reaction to DaQo'tah. I am more responding to the general feeling of the last several pages. I wasn't going to say anything, but your Popper quote made me feel as though I were obliged to say something instead of watching everyone beat up on one person.

I think many of us are annoyed. However, if someone is tapping your shinai and it annoys you, how do you react? By losing composure and lashing out? If a beginner has poor tenouchi and keeps missing the target and bruising your hand, do you yell at them? Does calling them a stupid beginner with no understanding of kendo accomplish anything? Why should we expect yelling at DaQo'tah about his attitudes accomplish anything more? I know you are not the worst offender; again, I am just responding to the general tone of this thread with that statement.

All in all, I think we are in agreement that the best thing to do is not to respond to his provocation.

Ignoring the question of if a fundamentalist or literalist does or does not have any notion of "why", I disagree with the idea that because someone has no "why" they have nothing useful to say. A person can say something true or profound without understanding the meaning behind it, by accident, as it were. A simple question can lead to profound understanding even if it were not meant to. I agree with you that a forum is not only to express opinions, but also to listen and learn (but if the fundamental point were not to express opinions, what would we be listening to?) and therefore it is important to pay attention to what people are saying and to try to learn from it. Even when I keiko with a 6 year old, I still look for things to learn from the experience. I don't always, but I am inclined to view that more of a lacking in myself than in the child.

Thank you for your thoughtful response.

You know, as I said about Stan(Marineboy) there are some very kind people on this forum. But Hyuna, I am not one of them. My experience with fanatics like DaQuota has never been very pleasent. There is only so much insult one can hear a long the lines of "oh, any religion not embracing Christ worships the devil". The one thing I cannot stand is ignorance and arrogance(ie. the local censorship board[islamic state] cutting the first 30 seconds of Beauty and the Beast because there is a pig in the scene)

As Not-I said, it is not just this post but his comments in other threads that have been insulting.

As you said, we do not beat up on a beginner because he doesn't know better. But when you try to advise or teach a beginner and he says he knows better than you, well, then its for the best he leaves since we cannot teach him anything else.

Read the sum of his posts(not just here) and you will see he has been rude, insulting, racist, arrogant, ignorant and fanatical. He writes here now, as if he is a poor persecuted soul who is naive and innocent...it is so far from the truth.

I have always believed that it is only human to make mistakes. But to continue to make them and not even trying to acknowledge it...well, that I cannot accept.

[DaQo'tah]

mingshi
...That is an excellent Bible quote you have posted!

And with that verse, the subsequent verse 17 of Deuteronomy 11 is the reason why we should control our hearts.. "For the Lord your God is God of gods and Lord of lords, the great God, mighty and awesome, who shows no partiality and accepts no bribes."

[DaQo'tah]

DaQo'tah,

I think you are probably not blind to the fact that your writing style creates some... agitation... on this board.


as far as I know, I have not strayed from 2 Corinthians 1:12

[KhawMengLee]

Ever notice how DaQo'tah has no problems with qouting stuff but yet never seems to be able to put forth a reasonable argument in his own words or make use of factual arguments.

Also, note how when a theological debate/statement is put forth to him he cannot reply...sad really...a brain going to waste.

[DaQo'tah]

You may be right about this thread, but you are missing the broader context. DaQo'tah has posted some of the most inflamatory things i've ever read in the "flames" section.
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see the connection?

give it a moment.....notice it?...

"Posted inflamatory things"..."In the "Flames" section"

Not in the kendo section, not in any teachings sections, not in the Dogo section, not in the concepts section.....

But I am accused of posting "Inflamatory things " in the "Flames" section....

so In other words, I have posted in accordance with the designer of this website. I have posted in full compliance with the wishes of this forum that have been made clear to all guests by the titling of a seperate topic specifically aimed at posts of a more "Incendiary" nature.

Yet even at this part of the Kendo forum, I have never once strayed outsides the bounds of good manners. I dont believe in posting a 4-letter word for its shock value, nor do I need to fill my posts with an overabundance of variations of the "F" - word...I dont make personal attacks against my brother posters, nor do I even respond to the more personal attacking posts made against me.

Oh and one more thing,,,,I dont know what experience others have had with missionaries or proseletyzers of various faiths, but most of the time I can spot them by their use of the words ; "What you need to do..."

I dont care what a guy is selling, they seem to always start off by telling me what I "need to do"....

I should point out that I dont . I dont tell people what to do, I dont tell people what to believe in,,,It's none of my business what you believe in I keep the Golden Rule about such matters...and I dont allow people to tell me what to believe in as well....Thats why I spoke up about my reservations about some of the teachings I have made note of on a Kendo video I got last week.

My thoughts on this matter are: that I fully expect my future Kendo teachers as well as Forum posters to busy themselves with the task of teaching me what they can about Kendo. I expect them to test and train both my body and my mind. However I do not wish any person to seek to alter my Christian point of view. Im happy with my Christian point of view, and if I were to catch any teacher slipping a bit of a false teachings into my lessons I would have to explain that: "The position of my "Spiritual Guide" has already been filled."

[Atama]

as far as I know, I have not strayed from 2 Corinthians 1:12

2 corinthians 1:12 :- 'For our rejoicing is this, the testimony of our conscience, that in simplicity and godly sincerity, not with fleshy wisdom, but by the grace of God, we have our conversations in this world, and more abundently you-ward'

I just thought that everyone reading the forum should be able to read these verses DaQo'tah insists on throwing out.

if you believe you are abiding by this verse then I truly do pitty you, and I believe you need to take bible study classes.

As you like verses so much heres a couple for you.

'Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of truth' ......
2 Timothy 3:7

'But they shall proceed no further: for thier folly shall be manifest to all men, as thiers also was.'......2 Timothy 3:9

[KhawMengLee]

My thoughts on this matter are: that I fully expect my future Kendo teachers as well as Forum posters to busy themselves with the task of teaching me what they can about Kendo. I expect them to test and train both my body and my mind. However I do not wish any person to seek to alter my Christian point of view. Im happy with my Christian point of view, and if I were to catch any teacher slipping a bit of a false teachings into my lessons I would have to explain that: "The position of my "Spiritual Guide" has already been filled."

Right, there you go again. You "expect" us to "busy" ourselves to serve your needs? Once again...arrogance and no humility...taking without giving. Who are you to demand we teach you when you have no manners to even ask politely and respectfully.

No Sensei wants to "slip" you false teachings. Once again you have no idea what you are talking about and are already making judgements. Why don't you walk into a dojo and try first before coming here expecting us to answer questions you have no idea how to ask? Actually, no, stay here...I'd hate for a dojo to have you walk in and soil the honour it commands.

[DaQo'tah]

Yes I do fully expect that my new Kendo Forum friends will be eager to offer some advice as to what they believe I need to do.....



Why don't you walk into a dojo and ....


(There, that sure didnt take long now did it?)

[gsx1100s]

On the lighter side (........ as in mirth not good or evil!!) here are some more quotes to think about when you hold your shinai :

"those who live by the sword die by the sword"
:) :wink: not sure I like that one too much!

"Do unto others as you would have them do to you"
....ouch!!:smiley:

Oh and my favourite......

"Be not rash with thy mouth, and let not thine heart be hasty to utter any thing before God; for God is in heaven, and thou upon earth: therefore let thy words be few."

In other words , stop the chatter and get back to practicing Kendo!!!!!
Well thats my Catholic view on it anyway:smiley:

[Marine_Boy]

You know, as I said about Stan(Marineboy) there are some very kind people on this forum. But Hyuna, I am not one of them. My experience with fanatics like DaQuota has never been very pleasent. There is only so much insult one can hear a long the lines of "oh, any religion not embracing Christ worships the devil". The one thing I cannot stand is ignorance and arrogance(ie. the local censorship board[islamic state] cutting the first 30 seconds of Beauty and the Beast because there is a pig in the scene)

As Not-I said, it is not just this post but his comments in other threads that have been insulting.

As you said, we do not beat up on a beginner because he doesn't know better. But when you try to advise or teach a beginner and he says he knows better than you, well, then its for the best he leaves since we cannot teach him anything else.

Read the sum of his posts(not just here) and you will see he has been rude, insulting, racist, arrogant, ignorant and fanatical. He writes here now, as if he is a poor persecuted soul who is naive and innocent...it is so far from the truth.

I have always believed that it is only human to make mistakes. But to continue to make them and not even trying to acknowledge it...well, that I cannot accept.

Yama-san, thanks for that again. But I really don't deserve it, you should have seen me last night when I got home late from work because British Rail is an absolute joke or on Monday mornings! :devious:

I shall continue to moniter this thread and only post if I feel it is required. I think that is the best action otherwise we'll have one more person to add to this flame war.

But on an exiting note. Please stop quoting from the bible like it is information on the back of the cerial box. I find this extreamly anoying and is a true example of "forcing" your religion down our throats.

I.e. get back to talking about kendo and less of, how your religion is going to save me because I am an evil / non-believing person.

[Nanbanjin]

But on an exiting note. Please stop quoting from the bible like it is information on the back of the cerial box. I find this extreamly anoying and is a true example of "forcing" your religion down our throats.


But may I quote from Monkey Magic?

Monkey Magic 32:2 :-
"A fool who knows he is a fool is farther along the road to wisdom than a wise man. "

I believe I have not strayed from the true path. And Red Bull gives me wings.

And let us not forget Monkey Magic 30:1

"The way is simple, but simplicity is not stupidity. It needs awareness. A youth who leans carelessly over an abyss, even if he's looking for water, is a fool. A mountain standing above the precipice stays calm; it is in its proper place."

[DaQo'tah]

You know what?....I think is very good the way people are dusting off their bibles and looking up a verse here, and verse there......everyone all so interested to quoteing the most "on target" Bible verse.....

Yes, it's actually very interesting the way so many are able to bring their own ideas about the Christian Faith into the Kendo Forum. I believe this is all well and good for even if people are looking to counter my understanding of something, the way their counter my arguements with a Bible verse or two of their own, (Or in the case of gsx1100s, more than two) has got to be something that is pleasing to our Lord.

On a lighter note myself:,,,,Here KML expressed a bit of doubt that my new Kendo Forum friends would be all that interested in offering advice to me, yet as we keep seeing, the truth is that is is actually hard to get some posters here to Stop offering free advice. ...LOL

[D'Artagnan]

I wanna play the Bible quoting game!!!

- "And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved." -Acts Chapter 2, 2:21

does that mean everbody??? cause here it says

- "Then shall they cry unto the Lord, but he will not hear them: he will even hide his face from them at that time." - Micah, Chapter 3, 4:3

here's some more of my favourites: -

-"Whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire." - Mt.5:22

but...

- "The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God." -Ps.14:1, Ps.53:1

-"Ye fools and blind." - Mt.23:17, 19


-"Ye fools." - Lk.11:40


- "O fools, and slow of heart to believe." Lk.24:25


-"Their foolish heart was darkened." Rom.1:21-22


-"Thou fool." 1 Cor.15:36


-"O foolish Galatians." Gal.3:1



so, father Da'Qotah, according to this that if i call you a fool, then i may or may not be damned for eternity, but if i am then i can ask for God's forgiveness but he may or may not grant it to me.... very tempting (ohh no temptation may or may not be a sin!)

[Kenshin Axel]

Monkey Magic 32:2 :-
"A fool who knows he is a fool is farther along the road to wisdom than a wise man. "

Yup, thats me.
Why don't they show Monkey Magic anymore?!

[D'Artagnan]

mingshi
...That is an excellent Bible quote you have posted!

And with that verse, the subsequent verse 17 of Deuteronomy 11 is the reason why we should control our hearts.. "For the Lord your God is God of gods and Lord of lords, the great God, mighty and awesome, who shows no partiality and accepts no bribes."

err oops...

Deuteronomy - 11:17
"And then the LORD's wrath be kindled against you, and he shut up the heaven, that there be no rain, and that the land yield not her fruit; and lest ye perish quickly from off the good land which the LORD giveth you."

And if he accepts no bribes then what's all this about?-

Lev. - 23:12-18
"And ye shall offer ... an he lamb without blemish of the first year for a burnt offering unto the LORD...."

[not-I]

Yet even at this part of the Kendo forum, I have never once strayed outsides the bounds of good manners.
There is much more to good manners than not using profanity. You have consistently posted statements that could (and have) cause(d) offence to other members of this board, also in this thread. And what you say in the flames section does have a bearing on how you are seen in the rest of the forum. You can't divide your online character like Jekyll and Hyde.

This forum is not like a small town in rural America. It is an international community with members from very diverse backgrounds. There are all sorts of people here with various beliefs, including Christians, Jews, Buddhists, Muslims, athiests and agnostics. There are even French people here. Good manners calls for not going around baiting and insulting them.

Generally, KWF is a very tolerant place. But when people step out of line, there will be a response. You have generated a massive one, but seem oblivious to why because you are so sure you are right. Yes, people have personally attacked you and even used the "f-word," and they were out of line, but so what? Stop dwelling on it and try and figure out what YOU may have done wrong.

Never once have you stepped back and considered exactly WHY so many other members are angry with you. Or perhaps you have, and continued your provocations because of it, but that would just make you a troll.

Look, man, my beef with you is not about your beliefs, even if i disagreee with your religion and find your political views repulsive. And if others want to indulge you and start a Kendo World Bible study group, so be it.

My beef with you is about your behavior. What i (and others in this thread) are politely asking you to do is to stop browbeating us with extreme and offensive statements. Those are your views, fine, but they are of such an absolute nature that it would be impossible to discuss them. They can only cause discord and generate animosity.

If you have questions about kendo, fair enough. Just remember that you can't presume to know anything substantial about it if you've never set foot in a dojo. But if you just want to use this forum as your own personal polito-religious soapbox, you'll have problems. No one is forcing their beliefs on you. And no one will ever force their beliefs on you in kendo. Have the common courtesy to reciprocate.

As was said before, a central part of kendo is "rei" (etiquette and respect), which means acting appropriately in a particular social setting. Learn the forum etiquette, start acting appropriately here and you'll see that many people are prepared to let bygones be bygones. You seem to have already toned down your act a bit. Please keep it up.

Peace.

[Atama]

My beef with you is about your behavior. What i (and others in this thread) are politely asking you to do is to stop browbeating us with extreme and offensive statements. Those are your views, fine, but they are of such an absolute nature that it would be impossible to discuss them. They can only cause discord and generate animosity.

Peace.


I couldn't have put it better myself.

I think its impossible to have a discussion with someone (like DaQo'tah)
who is not looking for an answer as he thinks he knows it all anyway.

[mystic_kendoka]

ok.. now someone PLEASE answer this for me..


someone please tell me wat "Romans 14:16 " and "Luke 6:28" are..

ive tried looking up the bible but have NO idea how to look for 14:16 which looks more like coordinates to me than page numbers..

[Wout]

ok.. now someone PLEASE answer this for me..



ive tried looking up the bible but have NO idea how to look for 14:16 which looks more like coordinates to me than page numbers..

first you look for the 'book' you ought to ba lookin for like 'genesis' lucas' 'matheus' 'kronieken' etc then you look for the chapter in 14:16 14 is the chapter, 16 is the verse versenumbers are in front of each vers.

[mystic_kendoka]

i think looking that up and asking about it was a waste of time...


He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord: and he that eateth, eateth unto the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, unto the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.

i dont understand it anyway...

RELIGIOUS JOKES

Preacher goes hunting

A country preacher decided to skip services one Sunday and head
to the hills to do some bear hunting. As he rounded the corner
on a perilous twist in the trail, he and a bear collided,
sending him and his rifle tumbling down the mountainside. Before
he knew it, his rifle went one way and he went the other,
landing on a rock and breaking both legs. That was the good
news. The bad news was the ferocious bear charging at him from a
distance, and he couldn't move. "Oh, Lord," the preacher prayed,
"I'm so sorry for skipping services today to come out here and
hunt. Please forgive me and grant me just one wish...please make
a Christian out of that bear that's coming at me. Please, Lord!"

That very instant, the bear skidded to a halt, fell to its
knees, clasped its paws together and began to pray aloud right
at the preacher's feet. "Dear God, bless this food I am about to
receive...."

New priest

A new priest at his first mass was so nervous he could hardly
speak. After mass he asked the monsignor how he had done. The
monsignor replied, "When I am worried about getting nervous on
the pulpit, I put a glass of vodka next to the water glass. If I
start to get nervous, I take a sip."

So the next Sunday he took the monsignor's advice. At the
beginning of the sermon, he got nervous and took a drink. He
proceeded to talk up a storm. Upon return to his office after
mass, he found the following note on his door:

1. Sip the Vodka, don't gulp.

2. There are 10 commandments, not 12.

3. There are 12 disciples, not 10.

4. Jesus was consecrated, not constipated.

5. Jacob wagered his donkey, he did not bet his ass.

6. We do not refer to Jesus Christ as the late J.C.

7. The Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are not referred to as Daddy,
Junior, and the Spook.

8. David slew Goliath, he did not kick the shit out of him.

9. When David was hit by a rock and knocked off his donkey,
don't say he was stoned off his ass.

10.We do not refer to the cross as the Big T!

11.When Jesus broke the bread at the Last Supper he said, "Take
this and eat it, for it is my body", he did not say, "Eat me."

12.The Virgin Mary is not referred to as the, "Mary with the
Cherry".

13.The recommended grace before a meal is not: "Rub-A-dub-dub,
thanks for the grub, yeah God". and finally...

14.Next Sunday there will be a taffy-pulling contest at
St.Peter's, not a peter-pulling contest at St. Taffy's.

Psalms
A priest was driving along and saw a nun on the side of the
road, he stopped and offered her a lift which she accepted. She
got in and crossed her legs, forcing her habit to open and
reveal a lovely leg. The priest had a look and nearly had an
accident. After controlling the car, he stealthfully slid his
hand up her leg.

The nun looked at him and immediately said, "Father, remember
psalm 129?" The priest was flustered and apologized profusely.
He forced himself to remove his hand. However, he was unable to
remove his eyes from her leg. Further on while changing gear, he
let his hand slide up her leg again. The nun once again said,
"Father, remember psalm 129?"

Once again the priest apologized. "Sorry sister but the flesh is
weak." Arriving at the convent, the nun got out gave him a
meaningful glance and went on her way. On his arrival at the
church, the priest rushed to retrieve a bible and looked up
psalm 129.

It said, "Go forth and seek, further up you will find glory."

MORAL OF THE STORY:

Always be well informed in your job or you might miss a great
opportunity!

Devil and Golf

A golfer is in a competitive match with a friend, who is ahead by a couple
of strokes. The golfer says to himself: "I'd give anything to sink this
next putt."

A stranger walks up to him and whispers: "Would you give up a fourth of
your sex life?" The golfer thinks the man is crazy and that his answer
will be meaningless but also that perhaps this is a good omen and will put
him in the right frame of mind to make the difficult putt and says, "OK."
And sinks the putt.

Two holes later he mumbles to himself: "Boy, if I could only get an eagle
on this hole." The same stranger moves to his side and says, "Would it be
worth another fourth of your sex life?" The golfer shrugs and says,
"Sure." And he makes an eagle.

Down to the final hole. The golfer needs yet another eagle to win. Though
he says nothing, the stranger moves to his side and says, "Would you be
willing to give up the rest of your sex life to win this match?"

The golfer says, "Certainly." And makes the eagle. As the golfer walks to
the club house, the stranger walks alongside and says, "You know, I've
really not been fair with you because you don't know who I am. I'm the
devil, and from now on you will have no sex life."

"Nice to meet you," says the golfer. "My name's Father O'Malley."

[mystic_kendoka]

just found a samurai joke

Jewish Samurai

Way back in the time of the samurai, there was a powerful
emperor. This emperor needed a new head samurai. So, he sent out
a message to everybody he knew for them to send a message to who
they knew, and so forth.

A year passes, and only three people show up: a Japanese
samurai, a Chinese samurai, and a Jewish samurai.

The emperor asks the Japanese samurai to come in and demonstrate
why he should be head samurai.

The Japanese samurai opens up a matchbox, and out pops a little
fly.

WHOOOOOSH. The fly drops dead on the ground in 2 pieces! The
emperor says, "That is very impressive!"

Then the emperor asks the Chinese samurai to come in and
demonstrate why he should be head samurai. The Chinese samurai
opens up a matchbox and out pops a little fly.

WHOOOOOOSH. WOOOOOOOSH. The fly drops dead on the ground in 4
pieces! The emperor says, "That is really impressive!"

Then the emperor asks the Jewish samurai to come in and
demonstrate why he should be head samurai. The Jewish samurai
thinks, "If it works for the other two..." So the Jewish samurai
walks in, opens a matchbox,and out pops a little fly.

WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSSSSHHHH. A gust of wind fills the room,
but the fly is still buzzing around.

The emperor says in disappointment, "Why is the fly not dead?"
And the Jewish samurai replies, "If you look closely, you'll see
that the fly has been circumcised."

[nodaka]

daqota you are an idiot.

the only thing you can expect when you go to a kendo dojo; is to shut up, pay attention and learn. After class you can ask questions, but do expect to get asked to leave and not come back. If this is the type of attitude you bring with you where you go.

Because you think something is true, this does not make it so. Millions (http://www.adsrve.com/linkredirect.php?h=528,27846198,kendo-world.com,1) of children believe in Santa Clause and the easter bunny (which happen to be modifications of pagan dioties, that the church changed to their own in order to force people to change religion). Children believe it, but it's still a false illusion, madeup by those in control.

as long as you build a wall around yourself, you will never have true friends.

-"a person you know might help you move, but a friend helps you move a body"

[DaQo'tah]

I believe Christian should Never claim to be "better" than the Lost. We should never claim to have achieved a higher "enlightenment" nor should we Christians teach that we alone are without sins.

I know of many Buddists and Mormons and JWs that are very pious in word and diet, well beyond anything I could ever hope to attain.

The only thing we christians can claim is that we are "Forgiven" and they are not.

We have already passed from death to life haveing been buried with Christ at our Baptisms. This is what the Christian is eager to say, "To Live is Christ, to die is gain!"

Therefor, there is no "Condemnation" for those of us who are alive in Christ Jesus...Our "works" do not save us, but we are saved to do the works of God in His world,,,,and this is why we are called "The Body of Christ!!!!!"

[nodaka]

and this has something to do with kendo,why?

[Atama]

I believe Christian should Never claim to be "better" than the Lost. We should never claim to have achieved a higher "enlightenment" nor should we Christians teach that we alone are without sins.

I know of many Buddists and Mormons and JWs that are very pious in word and diet, well beyond anything I could ever hope to attain.

The only thing we christians can claim is that we are "Forgiven" and they are not.

We have already passed from death to life haveing been buried with Christ at our Baptisms. This is what the Christian is eager to say, "To Live is Christ, to die is gain!"

Therefor, there is no "Condemnation" for those of us who are alive in Christ Jesus...Our "works" do not save us, but we are saved to do the works of God in His world,,,,and this is why we are called "The Body of Christ!!!!!"

I'm just curious to know weather you feel that you are doing Gods work here in the forum.

You are not the only christian in this forum or doing kendo for that matter, but you are the only one setting up threads with the sole purpose of petty bickering. I come from a very religous back ground and I'm quite sure that what you are doing in the kendo world forum is not Gods work, and to be honest your kinda making a mockery out of christianty. If you are truly a christian you should be setting an example so people can say good things about you instead of being made to feel insulted by your posts.

I'm quite sure that the parisherners of your church would be quite discussed with the way you have conducted yourself on this forum. Be an example of the good things about religion don't be an advocate for the reasons why people are leaving the church.

Lisa

[Swissv2]

Kendo does not force religion on you. All you are doing when you bow is paying respect, not homaging something. I have no idea why you are relating Kendo to Christianity, there is no relation between the both.

Your actions speak louder than words.

You want to make an impression to other people as a Christian? Its how you act, not your "soap box" rhetoric. People can care less if you talk to them; all you are doing now is opening your mouth.

So stop with these comparisons, its getting downright stupid.

[DaQo'tah]

you are the only one setting up threads



As far as I know, the only topic I have ever started on this Kendo forum is this one...

Perhaps you have confused me with someone else...

[DaQo'tah]

Swissv2...

Perhaps you have confused DaQo'tah with some other posters?

I have no problems with bowing,,,infact it is I who was asked to defend my willingness to bow in a Dojo...

There was a posting made by one of my new Forum friends that attempted to portray Bowing as bring "unChristian"

I defended my bowing in Dojo on the Bible text where the Apostle Paul was able to actually Thank God for food, even if it was food that was sacrificed to idols. I also introduced the idea that bowing in Kendo is a very old tradition and as such should be respected by the Christian in Kendo....I believe that whatever I do, I should do it as onto the Lord. That in my life, thoughts, words, and deeds , I reflect my Savior.

[DaQo'tah]

Not-I...
I always invite people who have a question about my posts, to back-up and re-read my posts from the beginning, and see if my reputation matches the facts.

I believe that if anyone wishes to learn what I am like, that they should go to this topic, (the only one I have started here by the way) and have a read, for what I have posted here is reflective of my true heart.

I dont push my views on anyone, I only respond the way I am able...the best way I am able,,,and that means I try to answer my detractors with wisdom, and the best wisdom I know about is Scripture.

I find that rather than posting a huge answer to a smart-alek question or comment made against my deep Christian faith, that just posting a Bible verse works just as well, and does not jam the website with endless, pointless chit-chat.

Have I changed even a little bit in my tone?...well, as Im not the best to answer that , lets ask another poster their view,,,,and hey, theres one now,,,named Nodaka...and how does that poster start out a posting to me lately?

"daqota you are an idiot"

okayyyyyy,,,,so lets put Nodaka down under the heading of "People that Dont think I have changed at all yet...LOL

[The Boss]

As far as I know, the only topic I have ever started on this Kendo forum is this one...

Perhaps you have confused me with someone else...
You've started 'when to bow' and 'where is kendo tv'
and 73 post in 7days (12.02 posts/day)

you must be really bored :)

[DaQo'tah]

they were on this forum?

as I said, 'as far as I know"....and I appear to have misplaced the other two, I seem to have not connected them to my email, and I have not kept track of them,also, they were not listed in my Profile when I checked to make sure that I had only started one topic when I wrote that...,,,I will now have to race over and find them and learn what type of trouble Im in over there too by now.....

thanks again,. I forgot them,,,,,

[DaQo'tah]

oh,,,and I would not really say I was bored,,,,Im truly haveing fun,,and most of my posts have been kinda short and easy to type,,,,,lots of little words....

[Tholon]

As someone pointed out early in the thread:

No Dakota, you are not ready for Kendo. Your mind isn't open enough.

KwangMengLee (my apologies for spelling) You are my hero!!!

[mystic_kendoka]

Lisa
you're a girl? i never knew tht..


and daqo'tah, what do u mean nobody can claim to have reached a higher point of enlightenment, did christ meditate for half his life and reach enlightenment as buddha did? i think it was more of a fact tht he was supposed to be the son of god tht made him tht way...

[Reina]

I'm a Christian.

Rather than lumping Christanity as a whole, why not ask yourself what is it about "YOUR" interpretation of Christianity that makes it incompatible? More importantly, what is it about your "misunderstanding" of what kendo is about that makes it so incompatible?

Having conservative vs. liberal interpretations of the Bible will change how you view things. That's a whole other can of worms more suited for discussion elsewhere.

When you can read the Bible in multiple languages, it makes you take it less literally. I'm obviously not a fundamentalist.

FWIW...

Wow! You took the words right out of my mouth! :spchless:

[meow]

There are even French people here.

And germans too...

I have to clean up my tank in the backyard now...I want it to look nice, when I invade France... :D

[Atama]

As far as I know, the only topic I have ever started on this Kendo forum is this one...

Perhaps you have confused me with someone else...

It just goes to show what a complete ignorant bafoon you are that the only thing you chose to comment on from my post was in regards to how many threads you had started.

I don't believe your intentions here have anything to do with christianity as it is quite clear that you are just another hypocrite hiding behind the guise of religion. People like you truly make me sick.

Lisa

[DaQo'tah]

and daqo'tah, what do u mean nobody can claim to have reached a higher point of enlightenment,

Hi MK,,,you have asked a good question, and one that allows me to point out another one of my wonderful points of view.
.

Now I believe I never said that "nobody" can make such a claim of "enlightenment", but rather I was pointing only to us Strong in the Faith, Bible believeing , Born-Again Christians and the question if any of "us" can make such a claim?...

For you see there are some confused people in the LOST crowd that are always trying to suggest that we Born-Again Christians think of ourselves as "Better" than they are. I believe some people think this way about us based on statements of misdirected believers who perhaps have made such a claim in error.

I believe that Christians should resist from making such value comparisons. Indeed I know of many "Lost" people that , who while yet sinners under the curse of God's wrath , still live remarkably upstanding and moral lives.

Thus while the Christian has every right to thank the Lord for the salvation we alone have received in Christ Jesus, we should not try to say that just being Lost makes the other person less moral.

As to the idea of a Christian being more "enlightened"?

My view of that question is that a Christian's "enlightenment" is solely directed toward the person of Christ. To tell you the truth, I have met many good and strong Christian brothers and sisters who yet are amazingly naive about the ways of the world.

Therefore my personal view of the question of a Christian's "Enlightenment" is that we should not claim, nor attempt to claim such an achievement.

What should a Christian claim?......Only what is given us in the Blood of Christ. We can claim to be "Forgiven".

[mystic_kendoka]

And germans too...

I have to clean up my tank in the backyard now...I want it to look nice, when I invade France...

time to get out the ZERO's... and the bandanas..

[mystic_kendoka]

Hi MK,,,you have asked a good question, and one that allows me to point out another one of my wonderful points of view.
.

Now I believe I never said that "nobody" can make such a claim of "enlightenment", but rather I was pointing only to us Strong in the Faith, Bible believeing , Born-Again Christians and the question if any of "us" can make such a claim?...

For you see there are some confused people in the LOST crowd that are always trying to suggest that we Born-Again Christians think of ourselves as "Better" than they are. I believe some people think this way about us based on statements of misdirected believers who perhaps have made such a claim in error.

I believe that Christians should resist from making such value comparisons. Indeed I know of many "Lost" people that , who while yet sinners under the curse of God's wrath , still live remarkably upstanding and moral lives.

Thus while the Christian has every right to thank the Lord for the salvation we alone have received in Christ Jesus, we should not try to say that just being Lost makes the other person less moral.

As to the idea of a Christian being more "enlightened"?

My view of that question is that a Christian's "enlightenment" is solely directed toward the person of Christ. To tell you the truth, I have met many good and strong Christian brothers and sisters who yet are amazingly naive about the ways of the world.

Therefore my personal view of the question of a Christian's "Enlightenment" is that we should not claim, nor attempt to claim such an achievement.

What should a Christian claim?......Only what is given us in the Blood of Christ. We can claim to be "Forgiven".

i stopped reading when u said everyone else was 'lost'...

[DaQo'tah]

MK...

I know how you feel, for I too found it hard to continue reading the words of some posters who start out their posts to me by saying things like : "Daqotah you are mentally unfit for kendo".

Yet, I was able to ...

[KhawMengLee]

MK...

I know how you feel, for I too found it hard to continue reading the words of some posters who start out their posts to me by saying things like : "Daqotah you are mentally unfit for kendo".

Yet, I was able to ...

That's because your brain is wired filter information for criticism and sense. You brain read the post as "Daqotah you are ______ __fit for kendo."

You know...Derkota reminds me of the protaganist in the Offspring song, Pretty fly for a white guy...

Friends say he's trying too hard
And he's not quite hip
But in his own mind
He's he's the dopest trip

[DaQo'tah]

Daqotah you are fit for kendo."

why thank you, It is nice to read nice things about me for a change....

[KhawMengLee]

Quote:
Originally Posted by KhawMengLee
Daqotah you are fit for kendo."



why thank you, It is nice to read nice things about me for a change....


I rest my case :rolleyes: , someone bring the stun gun and looney jacket.

[mystic_kendoka]

"Daqotah you are mentally unfit for kendo".
tht was me, and im proud of it, recently i thought i was wrong about you, but more recently you made urself a SOB...


why thank you, It is nice to read nice things about me for a change....
doesnt happen very often now does it? try being nice to ppl and less focussed on yourself, you'd be amazed at how many nice things ppl say about you...


Originally Posted by KhawMengLee
Daqotah you are fit for kendo."
i dont think he said tht.. there were some blanks there u c..

[DaQo'tah]

MK,,,,now dont hold back, we are in the "Flames" section now just like you wanted,,,,go on then, ....

( Romans 12;14)

[JSchmidt]

Come on, guys..stop feeding the troll.
He's only doing this to wind you up and is, unfortunatly, succeeding.

Jakob

[DaQo'tah]

JSchmidt
....

We all have read the story found in DANIEL 6:16 where Daniel is tossed into the the lion's den and a stone was placed over the entrance to seal him in.

But what is little known is that during that long night while Daniel was there in that lion's den, that a unknown person had slid the cover stone over a small bit and looked down into the pit and saw Daniel standing in the middle of 50 sleeping lions.

And when Daniel looked up and saw the strange man looking down at him, do you know what Daniel said?

He said; "Shhhhhhhhhhhhh..."

[mystic_kendoka]

i dont mind, its like having a live stress dummy :>:>:>

[mystic_kendoka]

We all have read the story found in DANIEL 6:16
no not all of us...


He said; "Shhhhhhhhhhhhh..."
daqotah try taking the hint...

[DaQo'tah]

no not all of us...


daqotah try taking the hint...

well....never let it be said that DaQo'tah could not take a hint!.....clearly you would like to know more of the story of Daniel and the Lion's den....very good!,,,I will try to find a link where the whole story is told on-line.

[JSchmidt]

i dont mind, its like having a live stress dummy :>:>:>
Then you shouldn't complain about what he is posting, nor his attitude.

Jakob

[DaQo'tah]

[QUOTE=Atama]I'm just curious to know weather you feel that you are doing Gods work here in the forum.[QUOTE]

The Christian should walk the walk and talk the talk,,,I should at all times and in all places give thanks onto my Lord. As for my on-line forums that i write on, I believe that with little checking, you will see that Im no different here than Im in other forums on the net.

[QUOTE]You are not the only christian in this forum or doing kendo for that matter, but you are the only one setting up threads with the sole purpose of petty bickering. [QUOTE]



Here is where I must admit I have errored, for I have misplaced two other topics that I started and seem to have forgotten about totally. I didnt link them to my email perhaps?..Im not sure, but the topics in question seemed to have died due to my lack of interest anyway...But I reject the idea I start topics to start trouble,,I start topics because I have an interest, or a question,


[QUOTE]I come from a very religous back ground and I'm quite sure that what you are doing in the kendo world forum is not Gods work, and to be honest your kinda making a mockery out of christianty.[QUOTE]



I am what i am,,,I dont ask you to bow to my Christian faith, dont ask me to bow to yours,,,,Im very happy, I answer questions as best I can with the Bible as my only guide...if you have a point in question with any of my posts, then just ask me about it...

[QUOTE]If you are truly a christian you should be setting an example so people can say good things about you instead of being made to feel insulted by your posts.[QUOTE]


I never insulted anyone by name, nor do I pass judgements based on anything except the WORD....but if the WORD is clear on a point, them I try my best to conform my posts to reflect the facts as I see them, but always showing good manners too. I dont actually seek to be loved on any forum,,I dont much care what people think of me,,,I only expect that if any were to just read my posts that would see that I do not use bad words, I do not attack posters,. I do not get personal,,,I do not tell others what to believe in, I do not push my views onto others,,,I ONLYT tell people what I believe,,,,I never say you have to believe as I do,,,,,I stick to what I believe and thats that....



[QUOTE]I'm quite sure that the parisherners of your church would be quite discussed with the way you have conducted yourself on this forum.[QUOTE]


"sure",,,you are "sure".....I never tell people what others in their personal life are "sure" to be thinking,,,I dont have ESP,,,,

[QUOTE]Be an example of the good things about religion don't be an advocate for the reasons why people are leaving the church.[QUOTE]


My posts only reflect the lessons I have learned in the Bible and in the church,,,I dont advocate things I have not found clear support for,,,,,and even the things I do support for myself, I dont push onto others,,,,

I just post like this,,,,"What I believe...",,,and thats about it,,,,I NEVER say to others that "You Need to___"...I never tell others what to do or believe in,,,I dont try to offer advice without first being asked, and then my advice is just to tell others what I have found true and helpfull in my own life....



most of my advice to people is in the form of a Bible verse....from there it's up to the other person what he does with it...

[mystic_kendoka]

Then you shouldn't complain about what he is posting, nor his attitude.

Jakob
i wasnt complaining.. i was... going with the flow... i dno..

[dorkusxmaximus]

Just let the guy try kendo out. Nobody at the dojo is going to cater to his unwillingness to bow to something he think it's meaningless, even though it's common courtesy too. You want to take kendo because you like the idea that we all look the same underneath all that bogu, but I don't see that's going to happen. If you're going to continue to stay close-minded to another culture's customs, then that's your loss. You're not going to get very far with that mindset of yours. It's rather not a clash between religions, but your lack of respect to do something of another culture's that's been done wayyy before any of us were born. I don't even see anything religious about kendo, and I'm a buddhist. The closest thing between my religion and kendo is that I won't have any negative thoughts by the end of the day/practice, and I'm at peace with myself because all the stress is gone. Now, if we're all holding joss sticks during practice, then yeah, you should worry because we're all engaged in some religious activity that's against your religion. Now go ahead and preach all the nonsense you want.

[DaQo'tah]

dorkusxmaximus.....

Of all the places I have lived in my life, it is Seattle that I miss the most.

That is why it saddens me to read such an error filled post that was writen by someone who hails from my old home town.

dorkusxmaximus...Im afraid I MUST challenge you on something,,,,something you have clearly misunderstood, and this has lead to a slanderous error on your part.

I challenge you to go back in this or any other Kendo Forum thread and find the support for your claim that I have ever said that I have an , "unwillingness to bow"!!!!!!!!!!!!!


go ahead,,,,look at every word I have posted,,,search for any sign that I have intimated that I have a problem bowing in Dojo.....I have even started a topic here about my questions as to when to box and when not to,,,as in when to bow when carrying in things from the car in many trips...But I have NEVER posted what you have stated I have...I have never said I was against Bowing in Dojo..

YOU will not find such statements from me.....

your error is a common one to people that let the mob think for them...I challenge you to do a bit more research before you lump people into catagories as you have done with me.....for it is clearly something that God has deep feelings about as it made it into the list of his top 10...(see EXODUS 20:16)

[DaQo'tah]

also.....
dorkusxmaximus...I would like to know just where you get the idea I have a problem with " another culture's customs"?

Where did this come from?...Who told you this lie?

Because I have very open with my views that I have no problem at all with the different traditions found in Kendo. I have spoken about my views of the more Faith-based ideas dealing with Chi,,,,but I have also listened to the comments of many Christians in kendo and they have helped me understand that Kendo does not push the idea of Chi the same way as is seen in a Kendo video I ordered on line.

I have no problem showing my teachers respect,,,I have no problem doing as Im told as best I can,,,I have no problem bowing,,,I have no problem speaking in a different tongue and calling things by strange names,,,I have no problem sitting in an odd and painfull way,,,I have no problem with any of the different parts of Kendo that I have learned about so far.....

Name me the culture's customs you have heard I have a problem with,,,,

[DaQo'tah]

for my views on Bowing,,,,

Drop back to page 9 of this same topic, and view my posting on 22-07-2004, 07:36 PM.....

[dorkusxmaximus]

No way in hell do i have the time to search through every single post you posted. What i did remember from the beginning was that you found it meaningless to bow to an altar because of blah blah blah religious reasons. That statement showed a huge lack of respect, and displayed ignorance. It led one to only assume a hardcore born-again Christian like you were unwilling to do such a thing. Good to know that you're willing to bow. whoopee doo. Someone should pat you on the head. Please tell me other things you do different from the category I just lumped you into. How different you are from them. Prove me wrong. Anyway, instead of preaching/ defending yourself on this forum, all you need to do is join a dojo and see how long you actually last, or do you love all of this attention on kw? All this pointless bickering will end the moment you see what kendo is actually like. You need experience it for yourself. There's a difference from those that talk the talk and those that walk the walk. This thread is pointless as heck, and a huge waste of time for anyone that posts besides you. I don't even know why I even posted something in this thread in the first place. Ugh.

[dorkusxmaximus]

one more thing, The word isn't slanderous because who the heck would waste their time talking about you. Libelous would be more appropriate .

[DaQo'tah]

what is easyer to do?

Getting to know a person, or thinking you know that person?

I believe that "thinking" you already know a person is way easyer, way faster, and saves a lot of time.

Why spend all that time reading about what a person is like when you can lump that person in with all sorts of other people that you also "think" you know?....

[Wout]

if you think things are meaningless don't do them, I never do? Problem is that about the majority of things, I don't know if they could mean anything or not so I do them and maybe later I'll discover the meaning or purpose behind a couple of them.

If my teacher says kiai (amongst other things) helps you breathing and makes you able to keep attacking, at first it doesn't even make sense but after a while you notice that it is truly so. It's like that with many things and some of them look even trivial because of the practicality (like why obi's never should be hanging out or folded when you wear them) and some of them are more complex and harder to describe and harder to show, things like seme or advantage or mental pressure , zanshin or ki.
Maybe at first these thing look like dark vague teachings in the beginning, especially if you begin with a closed mind telling you that these teachings are false. But after a while you become more and more aware of when you (or more realisticly when the other) can take 'control' of a fight, when you have 'seme' to attack when an attack is followed through with zanshin and when not etc etc etc.... point is never discard things in kendo in advanceor think that they are meaningless because you think that they are not in compliance with your faith.

[DaQo'tah]

I for one agree,,,I know I sure dont have a problem doing things that are asked of me to do, even if I think what I am doing is meaningless to me.

I believe that the moment I do something , even if at the time I dont understand or even if I dont care about what it is I am doing, it is still okay because I can make new meanings to things.

and in time I can change the meanings to things to help me reach my goals.

Meaningless things are pointless to argue over,,,and that is why I find it hard to believe that after so many times I have said this, yet still I have to read posts that make the same errors over and over again...

("It led one to only assume a hardcore born-again Christian like you were unwilling to do such a thing.")

Things that are "meaningless to me I dont make a big deal over,,,But things that do carry great meanings I do care to look into very closely, and if needed, to reject....

[KhawMengLee]

I for one agree,,,I know I sure dont have a problem doing things that are asked of me to do, even if I think what I am doing is meaningless to me.


Really?!?!?! Wow! Then could you please bugger off?hahahaaha

[KhawMengLee]

No way in hell do i have the time to search through every single post you posted. What i did remember from the beginning was that you found it meaningless to bow to an altar because of blah blah blah religious reasons. That statement showed a huge lack of respect, and displayed ignorance. It led one to only assume a hardcore born-again Christian like you were unwilling to do such a thing. Good to know that you're willing to bow. whoopee doo. Someone should pat you on the head. Please tell me other things you do different from the category I just lumped you into. How different you are from them. Prove me wrong. Anyway, instead of preaching/ defending yourself on this forum, all you need to do is join a dojo and see how long you actually last, or do you love all of this attention on kw? All this pointless bickering will end the moment you see what kendo is actually like. You need experience it for yourself. There's a difference from those that talk the talk and those that walk the walk. This thread is pointless as heck, and a huge waste of time for anyone that posts besides you. I don't even know why I even posted something in this thread in the first place. Ugh.


Originally Posted by DaQo'tah


I dont see it writen in my THIS IS KENDO,book about the need to adopt the teachings of False religions in order to participate in Kendo.

As you can see DorkyMax, no respect...don't mind him tho' he's living in his dreamland...just thank the Gods they have kept this coward in whatever hole he dwells in.

[misterkurukuru]

What if other sons of gods did kendo? I wouldn’t want to go up against Hercules; dude I heard that guy was buff and ticked off because his dad wasn’t married to his mom…poor guy must have had self esteem and abandonment issues! What about freaking Hermes?? He had tabi with wings that made him move really fast!!! What up with that?? If Christ was doing renshu next to you and you mess up and say “Jesus Christ,” would he answer, “Yes?” I would think that it would get annoying for the guy, but it would be cool because he could bring refreshments every week: wine, fish, and bread anyone? Blood and body if you like! What about the son of the god father of soul what about James brown jr (good old madd tv reference)?? That guy would have mad foot work, “get up! Get on up!” does doing kendo bring you closer to god? Who the heck knows, but if you want to do some long @ss mokuso, let me give you a nice bunny-men…..gAHAHAHAHAHAHA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!

[dorkusxmaximus]

No matter how much I don't like to admit it. It's true. Yes, it is easier to think you know the person than getting to know them. I totally hate that. Personally, I would rather take the time to get to know the person better than base it on some assumption. I want to know for sure whether I was right or wrong about my first impression of them, but that's in real life. Yeah, it takes a lot of time, but I want to know for sure. What a person is like online is most of the time different from what they are like in person. Who knows, though. You might be the same guy online as you are in person. I don't know that.

[mystic_kendoka]

ok lets end this once and for all, daqo'tah there is a lot of religion based in kendo, as you might know there are 4 basic kiai, men, kote, doh, tsuki,

they are actually the names of Shinto gods, men is the head god of the religion, kote is the handy god who makes things, doh is the god of awareness and teaches you to keep your guard, tsuki is the pointy god

now you have it, you've discovered the secret of kendo... there are some other kiai, but they are paganistic gods, for example, yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh is the god of pain and healing... but we do not focus on them, you may use them when you like,

[Wout]

I for one agree,,,I know I sure dont have a problem doing things that are asked of me to do, even if I think what I am doing is meaningless to me.

I believe that the moment I do something , even if at the time I dont understand or even if I dont care about what it is I am doing, it is still okay because I can make new meanings to things.

and in time I can change the meanings to things to help me reach my goals.

Meaningless things are pointless to argue over,,,and that is why I find it hard to believe that after so many times I have said this, yet still I have to read posts that make the same errors over and over again...

("It led one to only assume a hardcore born-again Christian like you were unwilling to do such a thing.")

Things that are "meaningless to me I dont make a big deal over,,,But things that do carry great meanings I do care to look into very closely, and if needed, to reject....


AAAAaarhg, ffs don't just stare at the words!!!!!! read them, and plz try to understand them. My point was just that you can't know if things are meaningless in advance. I mean how can you ever know what things mean if you never do them because you THINK (definitly not know) they are meaningless. Instead of thinking about my post you just gave your standard answer about how you are willing to 'act' you are interested. Did it ever occur to you that if you discard things as meaningless in advance they indeed will be without meaning to you.

[DaQo'tah]

again.....I do not think a thing that I do, that is in fact "meaningless" to me, is worth fighting over....


I see clearly that others think that we should fight over meaningless things,,,however as every husband comes to understand, that fighting over meaninless things is pointless.

[DaQo'tah]

"Meaningless" - When I say something is "meaningless" to me, it is not the same as just saying : "I dont know what that means"....For many times I do know. What I mean is that I may understand fully what others in other faiths take something to mean, But I know better....

I know when something is meaningless because what it is taken to mean by others is yet based on things that the Bible teaches are not real. So that is why I can say that no matter what something means to others, it is meaningless to the Christisn who knows better of such things due to what God's WORD has spoken of such things"




Now as for the names of things being based on false gods?

I have already explaned the Christian view of such things:, That Paul writes in the Bible that such things are meaningless to us who know there is but one God.

So it just does not matter what name you might find for things in Kendo. It is not a "Big Deal" to us at all... This is why Paul could say there is no harm in eating food that was killed and offered to a False god. Paul knew that the animal is not evil by it'self so eating it is not evil,,,This same is true for the names of things in Kendo, or the things we are told to bow to, The "name" or the "thing" is not evil by it'self, so it does not matter what some other person long ago might have said it meant. To me, the word is just a word, as I know it was never the name of a real god anyway. From the Christisn point of view it then appears as just an 'invented' name for an 'invented' god... There is no harm here for the Christian at all. This is why Christians have no trouble with the different names men have given to the different months, or the different planets, or the different types of cars we drive, even if each was named after an "invented" false god.

It dont matter to us because we know that false god was not real. So the point about it being named after something becomes meaningless.

[Wout]

why do you assume you KNOW better, btw if you know what they mean you know that they have a meaning so as a result they aren't meaningless.

btw so your christain belief says being hypocrit is considered a virtue, but believing in what you do could lead you to hell. That is wierd if you ask me, I thought more of christians. thankfully I know more about christianity do assume that most of em really mean wath they say and do.

[Atama]

why do you assume you KNOW better, btw if you know what they mean you know that they have a meaning so as a result they aren't meaningless.

btw so your christain belief says being hypocrit is considered a virtue, but believing in what you do could lead you to hell. That is wierd if you ask me, I thought more of christians. thankfully I know more about christianity do assume that most of em really mean wath they say and do.


I'd just like to point out that not all christians are like DaQo'tah they aren't blind and single minded as he is. They exercise tolerence and respect for exeryone.

My parents are both devoute christians and I am disgusted in the way that DaQo'tah is representing christianity.

[DaQo'tah]

why do you assume you KNOW better, btw if you know what they mean you know that they have a meaning so as a result they aren't meaningless.


I believe I have clearly already told you by what I mean by the term 'meaningless"

EXAMPLE ONE.....Lets say person "A" believes that a rock on a hill is his god. To me I know that the rock is not god, nor every was or will be god. To me the rock is just a rock.

However believer "A" also thinks that he must worship the rock by lifting one arm up over his head when he walks by the rock. Now as I might be a guest at believer "A" house, (or Dojo) then you might ask me what I will do when I pass by the rock?

what do you think I would do?...

what have I clearly already told you about this topic?

My answer is that I dont have the slightest problem lifting my hand as I pass by the rock. the action is meaningless to me because I know from the bible that this mans rock, or tree, or stump, is not god at all, it's just a rock, tree, or stump. The action of lifting my arm is something I do every day for many reasons anyway, and so I can easly lift my arm to show the type of respect for others that is due from me as a guest (or Dojo student)

[DaQo'tah]

Example two

Why do we shake hands to say hello?

There is no shaking hands in the bible, so where did this idea come from?

infact in the Bible days, when men greated each other they would kiss.....what happend to that idea?

ANSWER: Shaking hands is a tradition going back to the days before I was born. It is handed down to us as a way to show respect for the person you are meeting. Perhaps long ago the idea of a handshake was used for evil reasons, or for reasons dealing with war or the worship of false gods...I dont know, but I do know that this tradition is a way to show respect in todays world. The meaning of the handshake is known to me.

Now in the Mormon faith the mormons believe that knowing the right secret handshake is very important to the Lord.
But their handshakes are meaningless to me because I dont believe in the Mormon god, nor the handshakes they use.

I know "of" them...but they are not "relevant" to my life....

thus the great number of books used by the Mormons to support their ideas about the importance of knowing the correct handshake are "meaningless" to me.

Im sure they carry great meaning to Mormons, and it is not my business what they teach about such things, Perhaps Billions of Mormons believe in the very same idea about thie handshakes, but not to me....thats all Im saying.

[mystic_kendoka]

DaQo'tah is representing christianity.

why are you offended? hes not a christian, like i said somewhere else, hes a curstian..

[Wout]

hmm in return if other religions use the same 'tolerance' (actually ignorant indifference is a better word for it) towards your religion, they will be able to argue your beliefs are meaningless. You can not deny this you can only argue your belief is meaningfull for you.


And oh learn how to read maybe you should discover the point of my argument, I'm not interested if things mean anything to you and how you are willing to be a hypocryte and all, my whole point is that you don't want to see the meaning behind things and therefore never will see the meaning if you discard them as meaningless before you ever know the slightest thing about them. (there is a whole world of difference between not knowing something and just ignoring something)

[not-I]

Please, sister and brother kendoka.

Stop feeding the trolls.

If you are uncertain what a troll is, try these insightful definitions:
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=troll&r=f

Let's get back to our shared passion: Kendo!

Dômo arigatô gozaimasu.

[DaQo'tah]

again I have already clearly and repeatedly answered the question of why some things associated with Zen and Buddhism, as well as in Mormonism , and that rock-ism faith or any other faith outside the Bible's, are meaningless to me.

It is not that they have no meaning to others, it is not that they are without followers, it is not that there are not any books to support them, and it is not that I dont know what they are about.

It is because of what the Bible teachs about such things, namely the teachings found on COLOSSIANS 2: 8

Now some might try to argue that based on some other writers in some other faith, that the things I call "meaningless" have great meanings...well?...so what?...Im not in that other faith, that other faith is just as meaningless to me as what that other writer might have writen....

If a person has things that he would have a Christian agree with, take your arguement to the Bible and bring forth scripture to support your claims,,,otherwise your arguements are as meaningless to the Christian as an clanging gong in the wind.

[meow]

time to get out the ZERO's... and the bandanas..

And the cat poo...:D

[Kote-Men]

not-I

www.urbandictionary.com (http://www.urbandictionary.com)

that is an interesting website :-p

[meow]

if you want to do some long @ss mokuso, let me give you a nice bunny-men…..


Hit me baby, one more time!!! :D

[jmarsten]

ok lets end this once and for all, daqo'tah there is a lot of religion based in kendo, as you might know there are 4 basic kiai, men, kote, doh, tsuki,

they are actually the names of Shinto gods, men is the head god of the religion, kote is the handy god who makes things, doh is the god of awareness and teaches you to keep your guard, tsuki is the pointy god

now you have it, you've discovered the secret of kendo... there are some other kiai, but they are paganistic gods, for example, yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh is the god of pain and healing... but we do not focus on them, you may use them when you like,
That's pretty god damm good for a 15 year old. Ippon mystic kendo!!!

[gsx1100s]

Quote:
someone please tell me wat "Romans 14:16 " and "Luke 6:28" are..



A Roman is a bloke with a big helmet sorta like a tooth brush on his head. Luke is a guy I know , nice guy , bit rowdy when he gets drunk , but good enough bloke nonetheless.
14:16 is army time for 2:16 pm .
6:28 is army time for 6:28 a.m..
So I'm guessing that a Roman bloke is arriving somewhere, at about 2-ish to meet a guy called Luke the next day , maybe the guy I know....hope he hasn't drunk too much.........:wink: :smiley:

cheers Michael

[enjeru]

there are zen concepts influenced which is to ease your mind and try to let go
of all your thoughts. in a christian sense we are supposed to be thinking about
God 24/7, but wen they say to clear your mind don't think pagan, just think of it
as a way to relax. when your fighting and your not relaxed your probably going
to end up just swinging over and over but if the other guy is stronger, your
screwed. so relax and strategized.. its not worth making such a big deal about.

[Tholon]

It could also be that the roman guy is meeting with Luke Macahan. Do you remember the TV-show way back. "How the west was won"?????
I guess you might remember Zeb Macahan, the guy with a limp, leather pants and white hair.

Those were the days....

[enjeru]

oops sorry i didnt read but everyone else was saying. and all shinto gods are paganistic mystic kendoka altho i give props on ur conclusion. technically all
gods that are not the God are paganistic. but im not gonna worship them or ne
thing its like i said, don't make a big deal..

[gsx1100s]

again I have already clearly and repeatedly answered the question of why some things associated with Zen and Buddhism, as well as in Mormonism , and that rock-ism faith or any other faith outside the Bible's, are meaningless to me.

It is not that they have no meaning to others, it is not that they are without followers, it is not that there are not any books to support them, and it is not that I dont know what they are about.

It is because of what the Bible teachs about such things, namely the teachings found on COLOSSIANS 2: 8

Now some might try to argue that based on some other writers in some other faith, that the things I call "meaningless" have great meanings...well?...so what?...Im not in that other faith, that other faith is just as meaningless to me as what that other writer might have writen....

If a person has things that he would have a Christian agree with, take your arguement to the Bible and bring forth scripture to support your claims,,,otherwise your arguements are as meaningless to the Christian as an clanging gong in the wind.
I have been trying to keep this thread light till now , but you have poked the bear a bit too much .
Don't you dare to presume that all Christians agree with your rantings my friend . You are on your own here laddy . Nothing about your posts have in any way shown me that you have a Christian bone in your body. Don't get what you call faith mixed up with arrogance , elitism and a seriously over blown view of your own piousness. What made you be like this?? What made you suddenly see all the beauty in the world divided into us and them??I'm sorry that people have done this to you. Don't try to gain some pleasure out of these posts , you are not standing on the moral high ground here. you are
destroying the word of a bloke called Jesus.
I reckon you should have a serious look at some of the d
Dali Lamas writings. you'll be surprised at how similar it is to what Jesus said.
You should look at Islam and see the word of the prophets appear in the Kohran . While you're at it get back to some Kendo:smiley:

[gsx1100s]

Oops in my haste I said "Kohran" instead of Koran. Sorry!:)
You gotta get out more my friend ! There is no us and them. When you see study other religions you will find that we all have a different view of the same garden .

cheers Michael

[KhawMengLee]

Oh my god! What bliss!! I added DorkQouta to my ignore list and its been sweet! I suggest everyone else do the same so this thread will die...

[gsx1100s]

Oh my god! What bliss!! I added DorkQouta to my ignore list and its been sweet! I suggest everyone else do the same so this thread will die...
Well said...:) And yes it was sweeeeeeeeet .I was a tad sick of clicking my heels and saying"there's no place like home ....there's no place like home"

cheers Michael

[KhawMengLee]

Well said...:) And yes it was sweeeeeeeeet .I was a tad sick of clicking my heels and saying"there's no place like home ....there's no place like home"

cheers Michael

You wear ruby slippers? Are you a student of Sensei Simmons?:rolleyes:

http://www.livwell.com/richard_s.jpg

hahahahahaha

[not-I]

not-I

www.urbandictionary.com (http://www.urbandictionary.com/)

that is an interesting website :-p
Kote-Men,

as a reply, i started a new thread called "nerd slang" in the lounge, but i should have called it something else, because nobody thinks they're a nerd.:wink:

i don't wanna keep this thread going either (although - damn! - that's what i'm doing now.) just seeing the title still gives me the willies.

to paraphrase KhanMengLee and gsx, it would be totally sweet if it just went the way of the buffalo.

[DaQo'tah]

I have been trying to keep this thread light till now

Yes, "light" thats the word I would use to describe the way people have posted to me as well....LOL



Nothing about your posts have in any way shown me that you have a Christian bone in your body.

Are you asking me to take you through the path toward becoming a Christian?...well, Im not a missionary, just a normal Christian, but I believe I have a "4-Questions" pamphlet I could dig out...




I reckon you should have a serious look at some of the d
Dali Lamas writings. you'll be surprised at how similar it is to what Jesus said.
You should look at Islam and see the word of the prophets appear in the Kohran .


You know whats so disappointing?...The fact that even after I have explaned that Im happy being a Christian, that i have no interest at all in the study of other faiths, that if being in Kendo means the teacher would tell me I have to learn the worship of other Faiths, that I have already said that in that case I would tell the teacher "You can keep your trophy"

and yet, even after many high-ranking kendo teachers have assured me that there is nothing in Kendo that could be seen to be pushing a different religion on to me. STILL....Still after all this, there are guys who still seek to use this Kendo Forum to change my Christian Faith to something else.


You know what?....I would be interested in seeing the old posts where the same people have "suggested" to guys in Buddhism or Islam that they turn from that and study to the Christian Faith.

[mystic_kendoka]

wtf is the 4 questions pamphlet?

[gsx1100s]

You wear ruby slippers? Are you a student of Sensei Simmons?:rolleyes:

http://www.livwell.com/richard_s.jpg

hahahahahaha


Sometimes you wish that edit button could be used all the time lol.
P.S. thanks for the tip on the ignore list. Love seeing that statement "this user is on your ignore list" sorta like "speek to the hand"

heh heh heh

cheers Michael

[DaQo'tah]

wtf is the 4 questions pamphlet?


Tonight I will see if I can find a link. Otherwise seek out Campus Crusade For Chist for I believe it is their pamphlet.

The small pamphlet is writen as a means of Christian outreach. It asks 4 questions, then lists the Bible's answers to the questions allowing the reader to compare his answers to the Bible's.

[mystic_kendoka]

Bible's answers not worth much then...

[miyamotomusashi]

just because ur christian dusnt mean these ideas dont relate and im sure if u tried to "correct" ur sensai's teachings u wud probably be ignored.

"id rather have my mind opened by wonder than closed by belief"

Deeping_Dragon

[DaQo'tah]

you see , heres the deal....


I started this topic for no other reason other than I had some doubts about this "chi" stuff, and this "empty your mind" meditation stuff I heard about from a Kendo video I own.

After a few, and I must stress "few" posts from some people that did attempt to help me understand, I know am of the opinion that I will have no problem incorporating my Kendo-style meditation into my full Christian life.

Hoewever, (and this is where everyones ears pick up)
however I am getting into kendo for many good reasons but one of them is NOT to cast doubts about my Salvation that is mine in Christ.

I go to the Kendo teacher with the high hopes and expectations that he will be able to teach both my body and my mind the many lessons he has, to make me develop good Kendo.

My only comment has been, (and still is) that I would rather my kendo teachers not dwell into the spiritual matters. I have no problems there with such stuff, and I do not go to Kendo to seek spiritual enlightenment, but go to learn a skill, a sport, a hobby and an art.

but the position of my "Spiritual Advisor" is already filled...


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Thats all I have ever said on this matter, thats all I have ever wanted to talk about...

the odd part in all this is, that on the one hand I read posts on this topic that try to assure me that "No one in Kendo will seek to teach you religion"

And yet, the next posting here has a guy saying I need to abandon my traditional Christian Faith in Favor of Buddhism or Islam....

well....my only answer to all that is, that if that were true,, then,,,"You can keep your Trophy, cuz Im not interested".

Im not interested in Zen,,,Im not interested in Buddhism,,,Im not interested in Islam,,,Im not interested in the Hari Krishna...and Im not interested in whatever else you are selling in place of my Bible and my Faith is jesus Christ.

The other thing I have noticed,,,,that many people just hate to read the posts of a "Confident" Christian writer.....Perhaps they live in a world that has no firm answers,or have a faith that cant produce confidence.?,But I live in a world where a person can know and find his Lord.