Is one handed style allowed? (片手りゅうもいい？) [Archive]

KotatsuSama

16-08-2004, 01:03 PM

I am very interested in Kendo and there are Dojo's in my area but I just moved here and am working toward my second job so I don't think I have the money nor the time YET to join. I read the rules and a lot of materials related to Kendo but I haven't had this question answered.
Can you fight (shiai) with one hand? Katate. Is any strike (Yuko Datotsu included) legal if you use only one hand?

-KotatsuSama

kendokamax

16-08-2004, 01:34 PM

Yes it is,

Nanbanjin

16-08-2004, 01:36 PM

KotatsuSama

16-08-2004, 01:49 PM

I don't refer to myself as Sama...
I refer to myself as KOTATSU-Sama!
こたつに入った事がありますか？
あったら、様と言うのはわかるね。

kendokamax

16-08-2004, 01:54 PM

コタツってなんだよ
:shocked: :shocked:

reg

16-08-2004, 02:16 PM

コタツってなんだよ
:shocked: :shocked:he believes himself to be an electrical implement designed to counter the meteorological effects of the winter months? "madder than mad jack mcmad who recently won the madman competition." [shamelessly ripped off from blackadder]

and yes, katate waza is allowed, but if you meant you want to hold the shinai in one hand, well, i guess that's allowed too. it would be, however, very strange indeed.

kendokamax

16-08-2004, 02:22 PM

aah that thing,

I see- but you live in California?, do you really know the meaning of winter my friend?

However in canada no need of kotatsu,

KotatsuSama

16-08-2004, 03:01 PM

However, I have lived in both California and in Kansas... It helps to have a Kotatsu in KANSAS winters... we're talking easily -20F and the houses there have really bad insulation.
コタツは英語で「Heated Table」と言うんだよ。

KotatsuSama

16-08-2004, 03:03 PM

reg

16-08-2004, 03:23 PM

Also, don't spend more than a year in Kansas if you are not white!

Because I was wondering. I have taken many different forms of martial arts and there is a verticle spin kick, I forgot the Korean term for it though and it probably isn't legal but I was curious if you could execute it whilst holding the shinai in the right hand and thrust your hind leg over and your torso twists then bring down the right hand for a men uchi.

-KotatsuSama
:confused2
i recognize the words being english, but i'm still trying to figure out what it's trying to describe -_-;;

gsx1100s

16-08-2004, 03:28 PM

:confused2
i recognize the words being english, but i'm still trying to figure out what it's trying to describe -_-;;
he is describing a hernia.....or how to get one :)

cheers Michael

taganahan

16-08-2004, 03:42 PM

are you referring to a twirl?i think you're not allowed to do ballet during a kendo practice/keiko/shiai/etc.

~taganahan

gdane1989

16-08-2004, 03:43 PM

If using one hand is legal, im not sure its reccomended, itd stick out like a sore thumb and i think it would look kind of goofy. My opinion. If what your trying to describe is some super complicated fancy move, you better know how to do it fast (and right) , or it will be wasted energy.

Nanbanjin

16-08-2004, 03:51 PM

Also, don't spend more than a year in Kansas if you are not white!

Because I was wondering. I have taken many different forms of martial arts and there is a verticle spin kick, I forgot the Korean term for it though and it probably isn't legal but I was curious if you could execute it whilst holding the shinai in the right hand and thrust your hind leg over and your torso twists then bring down the right hand for a men uchi.

-KotatsuSama

Sounds like there is a place for the shinai in the Olympics after all - rhythmic gymnastics.

kendokamax

16-08-2004, 03:54 PM

Olympics!
Did anyone see the stupid joke in the kendo jidai of this month? There is always that very lame cartoon at the end.

RYUUJIN

16-08-2004, 10:48 PM

i not that sure about this but i believe u can use one hand if you are fighting using a kamae for shoto's, in the case of fighting only with the shoto u would use only one hand and keep the other one on your koshi.

KotatsuSama

17-08-2004, 01:22 AM

Let me see if I can describe this better in english. (Without the shinai). kick left leg like a round house, as soon as the leg starts to come down, use your right leg to jump off of and at the same time tighten your abdomen and twist your torso (by moving your shoulders) and your right leg should be in the air when your left hits the ground and let the momentum carry your right leg to the ground. If I can remember the name for it I will definately post it.

However, it has occurred to me that wearing a heavy bogu while doing this would not be completely wise.

-KotatsuSama

stk

17-08-2004, 01:33 AM

However, it has occurred to me that wearing a heavy bogu while doing this would not be completely wise.

-KotatsuSama
I'd think that the Hakama would be the greater enemy to the infamous Twisty-Twirly-Ohsogirly move.
And the possibility of being rammed by an unimpressed opponent whilst standing on one leg.

Neil Gendzwill

17-08-2004, 01:45 AM

If you'd like to execute complicated kicks and other crap, kendo is not the martial art for you. Kicks, punches and throws are not allowed. Even if they were allowed, a kendoka would just cut you while you were in the middle of your silly move.

indigo0086

17-08-2004, 01:53 AM

Haowen

17-08-2004, 02:27 AM

Let me see if I can describe this better in english. (Without the shinai). kick left leg like a round house, as soon as the leg starts to come down, use your right leg to jump off of and at the same time tighten your abdomen and twist your torso (by moving your shoulders) and your right leg should be in the air when your left hits the ground and let the momentum carry your right leg to the ground. If I can remember the name for it I will definately post it.

I know I know! It's the "Forked Lightning Kick" from the Way of the Tiger Gamebooks! You must be a ninja! OMG!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v391/giddyninja/wayoftiger.gif

http://homepages.tesco.net/~parsonsp/html/way_of_the_tiger.html

Kirin

17-08-2004, 04:39 AM

KotatsuSama,

Just put down your game controller or joystick, and forget about AAB↑↓→A←→BB moves.
Before you start expanding all your imaginations inside your little head,
I suggest you go visit dojo and actually see kendo.

You can learn somethings about kendo from books, videos or via internet,
but without sweating & feeling pain, you will not gain anything.

....and to your original question, answer is 'yes'.
but when you actually start practicing kendo, you will know why very few ppl use only one hand.

ps. 頑張れば何も出来るよ！　X
頑張れば何でも出来るよ！〇

Aerandir

17-08-2004, 08:11 AM

I think its allowed but its not the greatest idea its gonna be pretty akward

KotatsuSama

17-08-2004, 12:26 PM

lol, i wish I had time to play games. It was a move I learned in Tae Kwon Do.

As I stated before, I wanted to learn and go watch Kendo but I have no money and no time. Kind of hard huh.

I was in Tae Kwon Do when I was like 8.

きりん:日本語を直してありがとう、変だと思ったけど疲れたので見えないみたい。

Haowen

17-08-2004, 01:02 PM

lol, i wish I had time to play games. It was a move I learned in Tae Kwon Do.

:)

Kicks, throws, leg-sweeps, grapples, etc are not part of modern kendo.

If you'd like to learn a martial art that involves a lot of direct physical contact, with some exposure to various weapons, you might want to check out aikido.

Nanbanjin

17-08-2004, 01:57 PM

きりん:日本語を直してありがとう、変だと思ったけど疲れたので見えないみたい。

KotatsuSamaさん、

「きりん様、ご指摘ありがとうございます。」や「きりん様、ご指摘いただき、ありがとうございます。」などでいいと思いますよ。
まず、お相手を呼び捨てにしないように気をつけましょうね。

KotatsuSama

17-08-2004, 02:10 PM

I like breakdancing for my martial arts. I am not in to the whole self defense, punches and kicks, I was there once, wasn't a big fan. I however love Kendo, I have liked it since I was a kid but only recently heard about it near where I live. Remember, I am from KANSAS. The baron wasteland of the world (in my opinion).

さんって忘れちゃったね。ごめんなさい、きりんさん。日本語を自習したから、僕
の日本語は変だかもしれない。でもさ~様ってなんで付けたの？さんってだけでしょ
う。さあさあ、もっと勉強しなきゃね。
日本語のわかる人は凄く沢山いるよ。前には、こんなメセジボードを見つけたかっ
た。
迷惑ごめんなさい

kendokamax

17-08-2004, 02:44 PM

saa--saaa--

aaah this is evil japanese :P

however my japanese sucks too ganbarimashou

Paburo

17-08-2004, 09:20 PM

at least you know how to write 'super men''.

can you perform it though? :D :D :D :D :D :D

KotatsuSama

18-08-2004, 03:23 AM

スーパ面 (super Men)
lol

indigo0086

18-08-2004, 03:36 AM

learn capoeira. They use stick and staff weapons I beleive. I have a feeling you are watching samurai Champloo these days.

KotatsuSama

18-08-2004, 03:41 AM

-_-
I have already done martial arts. I was in Tae Kwon Do, I made it to Red Belt and we learned weapons. I don't care about that. I want to learn Kendo. And second, my friend was the one who told me about Kendo and he didn't like it because he wanted to learn Samurai fighting but I don't I want to learn Kendo.

I don't mean to sound 厳しい but I don't play video games, I do watch Samurai flicks once in a while but I am not into it that much. I saw a Kendo match at a park near here on a drive to the DMV and it made me start thinking about Kendo again. At which point my friend (who was in Kendo) told me all about it.

-KotatsuSama

taganahan

18-08-2004, 04:33 AM

why not stick to tae kwon do(sp?) when you still want to do those kicks. kicks are not allowed in kendo, maybe in the prewar kendo times.

~taganahan

KotatsuSama

18-08-2004, 07:55 AM

... I don't want to seem rude, but are you even reading my posts?!
I DONT WANT TO DO TAE KWON DO
I like breakdancing and I don't want to put them in to Kendo, I was wondering IF IT WAS LEGAL. I found out why it would be stupid in everyway I was just curious.
Do Kendoka generally dislike outsiders?

Sorry if I'm ignorant but I ask questions because I want to know.

-KotatsuSama

Paikea

18-08-2004, 08:08 AM

KotatsuSama

18-08-2004, 08:34 AM

My question was "is it legal for a person to strike with only one hand?" with the shinai. I really don't know how it got wound up into this long thing about kicks and punches other than the move I was describing which isn't a kick or a punch.

Edit: Ugh, I see now, ok let me rephrase the post at the top
"I was wondering if it is LEGAL for you to strike with only one hand holding the shinai" Ugh, both my Japanese and English need work.
Also, I noticed that the Jodan-Kamae's Men Uchi is a one handed strike no?

Thank you for answering the question earlier though.

-KotatsuSama

Lloromannic

18-08-2004, 12:15 PM

Also, I noticed that the Jodan-Kamae's Men Uchi is a one handed strike no?

Kenshi who use Jodan usually strike men and kote with one hand, but the kamae itself is two handed. I don't know if this is what you meant with the "is it legal to do shiai with one hand", if this means that you want to fight the whole shiai with one hand, then yes it is legal but I do not see any advantages in it. Also when you strike one-handed it is more diffivult to score.

KotatsuSama

18-08-2004, 01:55 PM

whoa, awsome, thank you. That was the answer I was looking for.
But it's my fault for not asking the right question.
Thanks!

Neil Gendzwill

18-08-2004, 02:16 PM

Even from chudan you can strike one-handed - tsuki (a thrust) is often done this way. But trying to cut one-handed from chudan is pretty slow for most mortals. I have seen video of a jodan player from Japan that could execute a single handed kote-men combination faster than I can do with two hands though...

reg

18-08-2004, 07:06 PM

-_-
I have already done martial arts. I was in Tae Kwon Do, I made it to Red Belt and we learned weapons.
i didnt know taekwondo incorporates weapons in its training. what kinds of weapons would they use actually?

Neil Gendzwill

18-08-2004, 11:42 PM

i didnt know taekwondo incorporates weapons in its training. what kinds of weapons would they use actually?
Most of their instructors are pretty handy with a cash register.

KotatsuSama

19-08-2004, 06:44 AM

we used shinai with rubber bands that pulled the hairs off your arms. We practiced with um sticks (I can't remember what the Korean names are... ) but it was mostly with the Shinai and short sticks. Nunchakus were taught to the belt above me though. I really don't remember a lot it was a while ago, but i remember how much those damn bamboo sticks hurt and how much they pulled the hair off your arms.

-KotatsuSama

Lloromannic

19-08-2004, 07:49 AM

I have seen video of a jodan player from Japan that could execute a single handed kote-men combination faster than I can do with two hands though
The deputy headmaster of the school we train on saturdays is a nanadan and he can hit anything katate from chudan faster than anyone else can with their two hands, unfortunately he rarely practices on Saturdays.

tapioka

21-08-2004, 04:51 AM

if you practice ni-toh-ryuu, all the attacks are katate. that's because both hands are occupied by a shinai, and a sho-toh.

and also..
コタツ様：　"様"と言うのは単なる礼儀です。　"さん"でも良いのですが、"様"の方が自分自身を見せ付けないと思いますよ。

dorkusxmaximus

21-08-2004, 05:01 AM

Now if you try san-tou ryuu, you'll have not only each of your hands full, but your mouth will hold a shinai too =P.

tapioka

21-08-2004, 01:30 PM

harharhar, DK. :p

DanDan

24-08-2004, 03:19 AM

are you referring to a twirl?i think you're not allowed to do ballet during a kendo practice/keiko/shiai/etc.

~taganahanhaha my teacher said that to my sister after practice one day

KotatsuSama

27-08-2004, 10:45 AM

タピオカ様ありがとう。
San tou ryuu eh?
That would be an interesting feat. I think I'll just stick to one shinai. It's hard it enough to be good with just one, I can't even fathom how hard it is to use two.

-Kotatsu

Nanbanjin

27-08-2004, 11:03 AM

Is one handed style allowed?

Well, whatever takes your fancy. Every now and then try changing hands though - you'll find it's like a new woman.

KotatsuSama

27-08-2004, 11:08 AM

Or more mess to clean up, now you got two hands dirty not just one.

Nanbanjin

27-08-2004, 11:13 AM

Or more mess to clean up, now you got two hands dirty not just one.
Spare me the details, please!

(Try using the reverse hand no spill method)

KotatsuSama

27-08-2004, 12:42 PM

This calls for....
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(これから、両手であれをしてみる。 )

tapioka

29-08-2004, 11:24 AM

hehe...I'd like to see someone TRY san-toh-ryuu...although that would probably require them to fight without a men on--unless they hold the third shinai with their feet, that is. (o_O);

Nanbanjin

29-08-2004, 02:13 PM

hehe...I'd like to see someone TRY san-toh-ryuu...although that would probably require them to fight without a men on--unless they hold the third shinai with their feet, that is. (o_O);
There's always the possibility of using the bed-flute.

reg

29-08-2004, 06:27 PM

Spare me the details, please!

(Try using the reverse hand no spill method)he is well acquainted with mrs. palmer and her five daughters..

no, not you. i know it's impossible in your case, what, with all the hooves and that.. :smiley:

tapioka

30-08-2004, 05:50 AM

what's a bed-flute? (o_o)

kenshin13

30-08-2004, 01:16 PM

we probably don't want to know...

Nanbanjin

30-08-2004, 04:00 PM

what's a bed-flute? (o_o)
Wedding tackle

Lloromannic

31-08-2004, 05:59 AM

what's a bed-flute? (o_o)
A love-torpedo

tapioka

06-09-2004, 12:37 PM

ohh...(o_o);

kendokamax

06-09-2004, 01:18 PM

can you play the flute all night long?

dorkusxmaximus

06-09-2004, 01:20 PM

People, people, there are young children browsing this forum. You HAVE just corrupted my friend Tapioka! Not to mention me T_T. Now repent! :ninja:

tapioka

07-09-2004, 02:47 AM

my senses!! my virgin senses!! (o_O);

Lloromannic

07-09-2004, 05:47 AM

People, people, there are young children browsing this forum. You HAVE just corrupted my friend Tapioka! Not to mention me T_T. Now repent! :ninja:
I shall flog myself until forgiveness is achieved.

can you play the flute all night long?
I'm the piper at the gates of dawn.
Also someone in the Top 10 signs you're obsessed with Kendo (http://www.kendo-world.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4150)thread said that he fell down when practicing footwork. Well i have fallen down when practicing "suburi" in the shower does that count?.

I'll stop now.

Hai_hai

08-09-2004, 02:33 AM

Also, don't spend more than a year in Kansas if you are not white!

Because I was wondering. I have taken many different forms of martial arts and there is a verticle spin kick, I forgot the Korean term for it though and it probably isn't legal but I was curious if you could execute it whilst holding the shinai in the right hand and thrust your hind leg over and your torso twists then bring down the right hand for a men uchi.

-KotatsuSama
I have seen that. It's more acrobatic that lethal. The first kick is only to gain momentum for the second kick. It's all show.

This move just might work in kendo but you couldn't wear the uniform and armor. It's too heavy, but you could replace it with a red, white, and blue rhinestone-covered spandex outfit.

Steve

18-09-2004, 03:28 PM

Yeah, you can use katate-kamae if you wish. Its called "Age-To" according to most books and Sensei. Very rare to see it the sole kamae of a player, its most often seen as a "transition" kamae for a missed strike from Jodan.

Yamamoto Sensei is a Jodan player and is one of the few people who ever seems to use this regularly...mostly because he is insanely strong. There is a quick clip of him doing it after a missed hiki-waza attempt on our website at:

http://www.halifaxkendo.org/movies/AgeTo_High.WMV

There is also a great documentary I downloaded off the internet about a guy who has no left hand. He fights using the Migi-te Variant of Jodan no Kamae, (ie right hand at the bottom) and rests the Tsuka in between the thunmb and forefinger of his left prosthetic hand. But, after his first strike, unless he has time to place the shinai back into the false hand, he ends up fighting his matches from Age-To. Its quite unbeliveable to see him. The winning point in the final match of the tournament he was in was an Age-To Kote. Picture that...hitting his opponents right kote, from Migi-te Age-To. Awesome.

Long story short, unless you're really good, or have some kind of injury or handicap, most people don't even think about katate based kamae.