When was Kendo founded/made?

[Blue Bogu]

What year??? I thought that Samurai did kendo when not in real battle. Or to sharpen skills

[bullet08]

http://www.kendo.or.jp/english-page/english-page2/brief-history-of-kendo.htm

[hamish]

For a more accurate history of kendo, check out the next issue of Kendo World (3.1) when our own Dr. Alex Bennett gives us a taste of what's to come in his definitive history of kendo. (to be published separately)

[Will]

March 12, 1986

[Charlie]

That your birthday, Will?

[Will]

no thats when kendo was made

[Zaphiel]

March 12, 19861986?....i always thought it has been 1886..................:confused2
...or did i mix it up with some other event?

[Kozushi]

The Samurai of the warring periods practiced kata but they didn't do Kendo. Kendo was invented long after the samurai ceased to be real warriors.

[Zaphiel]

The Samurai of the warring periods practiced kata but they didn't do Kendo. Kendo was invented long after the samurai ceased to be real warriors.good to know thanks...man it would have been really embarresing if i kept to the idear.....
as we talk from old tiomes...is there someone here who knows what kind of swordfighting the itto ryu was...has been...is????
i've heard it and since then i tryed to find out but didn't make it!

[satoshi]

is there someone here who knows what kind of swordfighting the itto ryu was...has been...is????Itto-ryu, literally translated "one sword style", is a general term that refers to all sword schools based on the technique of one sword, as opposed to, say, nito-ryu (two-sword style). So the style of swordfighting varies.

[GMason]

I disagree whist it can can be literally translated "one sword style", Itto Ryu was founded by Ito Kagehisa (1560-1653). Who later changed his name to Ito Ittosai (one sword technique man).

The is a lot on info on the ryu ha if you search the net.

[Zaphiel]

Itto-ryu, literally translated "one sword style", is a general term that refers to all sword schools based on the technique of one sword, as opposed to, say, nito-ryu (two-sword style). So the style of swordfighting varies.
well year nito-ichryu(=two swors-one school) that's okay but if itto is one sword than what is the shinto munen-ryu?
i thought that would be the school with the one sword? or is it just a sub-school of itto?

[Mr.Tvola]

Kendo, as we know today was found around 1910-12, where the term "Kendo" was estabilished and Kendo kata as well as other things (equipment) were unified . However practicing sword skills using shinai and bogu is older, say from the end of 18th century.

So I would say modern Kendo was found in late 18th century and is based on several old Kenjutsu schools and mainly influenced by Itto Rju (I have read somewhere style named "nakanishi itto rju" (itto rju school of Chuta Nakanishi))

But I believe the upcoming article in the Kendo World mag will provide far better answer :ko:

[GMason]

Hi,

Itto Ryu is a Sword style ..... i.e a kenjutsu school who's founder was call Ito Ittosai. This is in the wider world of Koryu (not Kendo). With in Kendo some people will call a Jodan/Chudan/Gedan fencer an Itto ryu fencer, whilst they will call a Nito Fencer a Nito Ryu fencer.

Within the world of Koryu. I guess this is incorrect, as there is a Ryu ha called Itto Ryu. But within Kendo circles I guess that it is correct in a literal translation.

With regards to the Nito question, there are better an wiser people on this board than me with regards to this BUT......

Nito Ryu...... is as far as I know..... is a Kendo only term...... people far to frequently say nito-Ryu, when meaning Hyo ho Niten Ichi Ryu, which are two totally different things.... one being a Kendo term for a fencer who fences with two Shinai, with little or no link to the Hyo Ho Niten Ichi Ryu that most people link it to, and the other (Niten Ichi Ryu) being the Kenjutsu school which has lineage going back many years.

This seems to be a point of some confussion

Sorry to go on

[Zaphiel]

year ok...but again...what is than shinto munen ryu???

[GMason]

Hi,

Shinto Munen Ryu ???? not sure there us certainly a school called Shindo Munen Ryu which is still quite widely studied. So I guess it was just a typo and you ment that one.

[satoshi]

Gareth-san,
Thank you for the clarification. I agree that "itto-ryu" can be used as a general term for one-sword style, but also can specifically refer to kenjutsu schools branched out from Ittosai's teaching. I accept that only explaining the first meaning may have been misleading.

Shinto (-do) Munen Ryu is a kenjutsu school based in Tokyo. It was founded in the late 18th century and was counted as one of the 4 great kenjutsu schools in Edo.

[GMason]

Hi,

Thanks...... I had heard of Shindo Munen Ryu but did not realise they where one and the samething.

Wasn't being a tw@t just so many people refer to itto ryu and Nito ryu it does getting confusing what people are talking about somtimes.

[Zaphiel]

so it is a school and not a own stile???

[shotoblogger]

year ok...but again...what is than shinto munen ryu???
shinto munen ryu would be its own separate school. In his kendo book, Minoru Kiyota says that the term "itto-ryu" is used colloquially to mean a style using one sword, and that the formal school called Itto-ryu could more accurately be described as the "One Sword-cut School" rather than the "One Sword School." So, you might say "itto-ryu" includes both Itto-ryu and Shinto Munen-ryu, but Itto-ryu does not include Shinto Munen-ryu.

Then again, I don't know anything Shinto Munen-ryu. Maybe it was started by a former Itto-ryu practitioner?

[bushikan]

shindo munen ryu (shindou munen ryu) is a 300 hundered year old liniage. founded by fukui hyoeimon. the art came from shin shinkage ichiden ryu. it has absolutly no ties to itto ryu in anyway except that like hokushin itto ryu it was consitered to be one of the 4 great sword schools of the bakamatsu period. with students like nagoro shimpachi (2 squad leader of the shinsengumi) kastura kagoro (leader of chosu clan) and most notablely nakayama hakudo (reorgnisor of shinnamura ha hassegawa eishin ryu now muso shinden ryu). there are only a few people who practice shindo munen ryu including myself. I am the only foirener training in the art. i currently live in tokyo and have been studing only a month however there are many misconceptions about shindo munen ryu most people who have trained in muso shinden ryu under mitsuzuka takashi hanshi were taught shindo munen ryu battojutsu it consists of 12 iai forms however those are not the iai forms of shindo munen ryu. the iai forms are very diffrent and unique compared to mitsuzuka forms while the yonbammae of the curiculim, utsusenmi (shindo munen ryu batojutsu) is unique it is not the same as the forms i have seen the jo-menyoko and menyokos preform. and i have not seen them preform utsusenmi once. shindo munen ryu kenjustu is very powerful and unique style the kenjutsu, and footwork are very diffrent from muso shinden ryu and sport kendo which is what they teach in the states. that is all im going to say for now. i do not want to say anything since i just began and the art likes to be unknown and have a small group training base filled with people who are deticated to the art and the teachings of nakayama hakudo. i probally wont be responding again good luck with your studies and if you wish to truly see what swordsmanship is all about learn japanese save up your money and come here. again good luck.

[bushikan]

shindo munen ryu (shindou munen ryu) is a 300 hundered year old liniage. founded by fukui hyoeimon. the art came from shin shinkage ichiden ryu. it has absolutly no ties to itto ryu in anyway except that like hokushin itto ryu it was consitered to be one of the 4 great sword schools of the bakamatsu period. with students like nagoro shimpachi (2 squad leader of the shinsengumi) kastura kagoro (leader of chosu clan) and most notablely nakayama hakudo (reorgnisor of shinnamura ha hassegawa eishin ryu now muso shinden ryu). there are only a few people who practice shindo munen ryu including myself. I am the only foirener training in the art. i currently live in tokyo and have been studing only a month however there are many misconceptions about shindo munen ryu most people who have trained in muso shinden ryu under mitsuzuka takashi hanshi were taught shindo munen ryu battojutsu it consists of 12 iai forms however those are not the iai forms of shindo munen ryu. the iai forms are very diffrent and unique compared to mitsuzuka forms while the yonbammae of the curiculim, utsusenmi (shindo munen ryu batojutsu) is unique it is not the same as the forms i have seen the jo-menyoko and menyokos preform. and i have not seen them preform utsusenmi once. shindo munen ryu kenjustu is very powerful and unique style the kenjutsu, and footwork are very diffrent from muso shinden ryu and sport kendo which is what they teach in the states. that is all im going to say for now. i do not want to say anything since i just began and the art likes to be unknown and have a small group training base filled with people who are deticated to the art and the teachings of nakayama hakudo. i probally wont be responding again good luck with your studies and if you wish to truly see what swordsmanship is all about learn japanese save up your money and come here. again good luck.