Multiple Opponents

[kendokev]

This is just a thread for your imagination to run wild. I am not saying that it should be done or it should not even be mentioned. I just thought of it as an interesting aspect to be able to maybe add into kendo as right now, I know nothing of it in kendo as I am just a young grasshopper.

So if there is any keiko that involves multiple opponents, pls let's hear them. I'm sure I'm not the only one who wants to know about this.

[Will]

We did two against one as a defense drill at the NCKF team practices. It was kind of tough, key is to keep one opponent in between the other so that you only have to deal with one while running around a lot.

[Kendoka]

I have participated in an exercise on numerous occasions, where we started with one person in the centre of a circle of other kendoka.

The person in the middle takes on one of those in the circle, maybe to practice a waza. The winner then stays in the middle and fights another opponent and so on, the loser rotating out to the circle, to maybe get another chance.

Either person could make the first move, depending on the type of practice.

Sometimes, more than one opponent could attack simultaneously.

This all is a bit of fun, if that is what is needed in a training session. But it should be done only for a brief time and always with care so not to injure or alienate anyone.


R.

:tired:

[rottunpunk]

arg im not even in armour yet, but when i had a go one opponent was more than enough

:p

[stinkyKote]

If you watch the movie 'the hunted', there is a scene in the beginning where a sensei takes on like 6 different guys in rapid sucession, kinda neat-- one time I was with some of the guys from practice and we tried 2 on 2 just for the hell of it, wow, pure mayhem... and usually on the last day of our annual gashuku we do several 'funny' competitions like 8 juniors vs. 1 sensei simultaneously, or, two +4th dan tied together at the waist vs. two mudansha... we even tried piggyback 2v2 before, although that didn't really work out too well ...

hmm, I've got them on tape somewhere, maybe I should post them up on the web ...

[rottunpunk]

yeah that would be good to see man

:p

[kendokev]

u know what would be even better? that on tape or some avi file.... that'd just rock.

[GMason]

I've done this exercise a couple of times.

Usually one person in the middle and the other people attack one after the other. We have done this in two ways one to develop Zanshin (I think it is certainly one aspect of Zanshin) and awareness of the oponents position so you are always thinking of the next cut.

The other reason we did was to try beat the other person to the cut and try to perfect either aiuchi or debana. At least that is what I think it was for.

The best thing I ever saw with regards to multiple kendoka's was my sensei doing this against two Sandan's as each one attacked he managed to position them so they ended up infront of each other so the other couldn't attack (As Will mentioned). They finally cottoned on to it and tried to change but he just adapted and they ended up almost falling over each other again. It was brilliant :laugh:

[munenmuso]

We call this drill randouri. In our dojo senior students practice this before keiko to develop multiple technics that may be imposed by opponents in random succession. I find it very fun and fulfilling especially if you can maintain the center for the longest time and your opponents, sensing the obvious, desperately try to cut you out.

Similarly, I started a thread with a title "Do you practice randouri in your dojo" also in the training section. :)

[etherknot]

I would love to see the tape! Hope you can digitize it or something for us. :D

As for multiple opponents; one of our more senior students left our club late this summer. As a going away present he got his randori at the end of ji geiko. It was extremely hot out that day and I could totally feel this guys pain as I watched. But he did it!

[Neil Gendzwill]

Originally posted by etherknot
As for multiple opponents; one of our more senior students left our club late this summer. As a going away present he got his randori at the end of ji geiko.
Some dojo (ours, for example) make people who leave do tachi-giri-keiko. You have to fight everyone in the club, starting with the most junior and ending with the sensei. Usually we use a stopwatch so overall the person is fighting continuously for about 30 minutes. The rules are thrown out, anything goes so we see a lot of rough taiatari, tsuking the person into the walls, foot sweeps, hip throws, whatever. The more senior the person, the rougher the treatment.

[etherknot]

Originally posted by Neil Gendzwill

The rules are thrown out, anything goes so we see a lot of rough taiatari, tsuking the person into the walls, foot sweeps, hip throws, whatever. The more senior the person, the rougher the treatment.


Oww! :eek: tsuking into walls has probably got to hurt alot. Unless Of course your dojo has shoji walls (in which case wouldn't that look cool to see someone busting out backwards through the other side in slow motion?).

[Gorget-the-Frog]

Originally posted by etherknot
Oww! :eek: tsuking into walls has probably got to hurt alot. Unless Of course your dojo has shoji walls (in which case wouldn't that look cool to see someone busting out backwards through the other side in slow motion?).

Last I checked they were cement.
...Well... cinderblock actually...

(The impact would essentially be equivalent anyway)

[Danny Boy]

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Some dojo (ours, for example) make people who leave do tachi-giri-keiko. You have to fight everyone in the club, starting with the most junior and ending with the sensei. Usually we use a stopwatch so overall the person is fighting continuously for about 30 minutes. The rules are thrown out, anything goes so we see a lot of rough taiatari, tsuking the person into the walls, foot sweeps, hip throws, whatever. The more senior the person, the rougher the treatment.

</QUOTE>

And the point of that is ???

[kendokamax]

it is only for fun

we do it also when someone leaves our dojo

way to show that everyone cared for that person in beating him up

lol you could also ask ..whats the point of doing kendo?

anyway kendo these days is not very rough compare to before and i/m actually happy about that

[lewis]

Danny boy,

It's actually rather common. In wrestling we called it "shark bait". I forget what it was called in Judo. And I've done it in Brazilian JuJitsu and Kendo as well. You don't know the meaning of the tired...

[lewis]

Kendokev,

If you get the opportunity to practice in a karate dojo where they have a bunch of those free-standing punching dummy/bags, move them onto the floor and do 1 on 2, 2 on 2, and up with them as obstacles. It's a good zanshin exercise, especially since your vison is so limited in a men.

[Critical_Bill]

we have this thing where you fight everyone in the club, only stop for a few seconds to change opponent. the rules are still in place though.
good way to celebrate someones birthday :)

[stinkyKote]

So I finally got around to capturing and encoding the video of the 6 kids on 1 sensei- here's a link- unfortunately I only have 5 mbs of webspace so I didn't capture the whole thing, the sensei goes on to defeat one more kid I think before he finally gets picked off -

http://www3.sympatico.ca/adrian.tsang/munchkinArmy.rm

[nodachi]

That is goofy as all hell. That was really cool!

:)

[2muchryt]

one of our senior students is going back to japan for good.
this thread opens up many interesting possibilities.
any more suggestions for "Motoda-sans going away party ?"

[kendokev]

that clip was awesome. u should also post this in the media section where the thread is for online clips and stuff.

there's 2 things i'd like to say about this clip, for one thing, this is a really really good way for keeping a kid's interest in kendo... of course not to be done all the time tho.

second, if the sensei used nito.... hey, u sortof got some recreation of miyamoto musashi there ;)

[KhawMengLee]

heehee...I swear he got hit in the back of the head a few times...it looks like a stephen chow/jackie chan movie where a guy is being pummeled by a rampaging mob...heehee

[2muchryt]

I cant see it.

what kind of format is a ".rm" file? (mac? pc?)
what kind of viewer do i need?

(maybe upload it as an "asf" or "mpeg" or "quicktime?"
or on a web site. ,,,,sorry!)

[qpuppy]

hey 2muchryt....

go to http://www.real.com. download and install "realone" program...
that plays files like .rm

[Phorest]

That was awesome!
I vote for it to be put in the Kendo-World media section. ;)

[bukowski]

As I am now in college, this happened to my friend and I when we left for college. (not that I no longer practice, but it is less frequent. lots of home drillls...) The last day, basically, our sensei had us receive for everyone's "One Strike" Keiko (I cannot spell the Japanese name properly, so I won't bother trying). Nonetheless, for about ten to fifteen minutes we were punching bags for the rest of the dojo. It's a really honorary thing, actually; if you consider that everything else in class is thrown out just to beat the shit out of someone...there's a true connection to someone when you're willing to stop everything else just to knock them around.