Tsubadome obligatory?

[ralphy]

Hello all,

just curious: in tournament, do you have to use a tsubadome on your shinai or can you go without?

Thanks in advance,
Ralph Rippel

[litige]

Why wouldn't you use a tsubadome?

[mystic_kendoka]

u need a tsuba dome, the tsuba would slide down everytime some one hits it other wise..

[nalogg]

I've tried to think of every possibility, and i can't figure out a situation where you'd want to play a tournament without a tsubadome...

maybe yours was chewed up by the dog or something (??) and you have a tournament like SOON

in that case borrow somebody's shinai

[Kaoru]

The question is, do you practice Kendo? You should know the answer if you do.

This question is one I'd expect from a non-kendoka. No offense.

Kaoru

[yamaguchi]

According to the rule of Kendo by IKE. As long as Suba is fixed at Tuka, it seems to be OK. They do not talk about Subadome.
However, the picture of shinai in IKE rule book, it is showing that Subadome.
This means that judge can give you warning that if you do not have a subadome. So This is depend on Judge, and depend on Judge's translation of rule. I can't find any sentences that you have to have Subadome in IKE rule book. Maybe I did not look hard enough. Please let me know if you find one about Tubadame rule. I am just interesting about it.
Yamaguchi

[Neil Gendzwill]

I think it just says "fixed at tsuka". The common interpretation is that you have to have a tsubadome. I think that's also where they get the rule that there can't be a gap between the tsuba and the rolled edge of the tsukagawa.

[Lloromannic]

I guess it could be used to make your shinai about a gram lighter. Can't see much use in that though.


According to the rule of Kendo by IKE. As long as Suba is fixed at Tuka, it seems to be OK. They do not talk about Subadome.
However, the picture of shinai in IKE rule book, it is showing that Subadome.
This means that judge can give you warning that if you do not have a subadome. So This is depend on Judge, and depend on Judge's translation of rule. I can't find any sentences that you have to have Subadome in IKE rule book. Maybe I did not look hard enough. Please let me know if you find one about Tubadame rule. I am just interesting about it.
Yamaguchi
There are tsuba which do not need a tsubs dome. Would they be allowed?

[yamaguchi]

I have not see the tuba which don't need to have tubadome or combination of Tuba and tubadome. But I don't know.
I think it is good question.
Yamaguchi

[Lloromannic]

I have not see the tuba which don't need to have tubadome or combination of Tuba and tubadome. But I don't know.
I think it is good question.
Yamaguchi
Here is one (http://kendoshop.com/eshop/index.php?mode=subdetail&num=267&flag=catedetail).

[kanyil]

what about those tsubas that gets tied on?

[Lloromannic]

what about those tsubas that gets tied on?
I think they have a tsubadome which is tied to the tsuru.

[nalogg]

Here is one (http://kendoshop.com/eshop/index.php?mode=subdetail&num=267&flag=catedetail).
that's kinda cool
but i think i'd prefer the tsubadome

[yamaguchi]

It is cool. but I don't know I am allow to use that in Shiai. But It is cool, so I want one.
The one which tie to the Turu, we used one in High school Shiai in Japan, and it was ok, so I assume it is ok to use.
Yamaguchi

[Neil Gendzwill]

It looks neat, but because the rubber part is coming from inside the tsuba, I think the tsuba will kind of "float" on the rubber and be a little wobbly, compared to a normal tsuba with a proper fit.

And yeah, the ones that are tied on use a traditional leather tsubadome. You have to drill a hole through your tsuba - the ties come from the tsubadome, through the hole, and then are fastened to the tsuru. It looks nice, but it takes longer to attach and tends to come undone. Also the pressure against the tsuba is one sided (where the ties/hole are) and so is not as secure as the modern kind - the whole thing tends to lean at a bit of an angle.

[orayakab]

Hello all,

just curious: in tournament, do you have to use a tsubadome on your shinai or can you go without?

Thanks in advance,
Ralph Rippel
Just put the tsubadome on...it will keep you from the embarassment of having to chase your tsub down on the shiaijo if you ever drop your shinai...

Orayakab, U.

[samurai999]

Hello all,

just curious: in tournament, do you have to use a tsubadome on your shinai or can you go without?

Thanks in advance,
Ralph Rippel

Haben sie einen Kopf? Sigh... My germans pretty rusty.

Tim

[Andoru]

And yeah, the ones that are tied on use a traditional leather tsubadome. You have to drill a hole through your tsuba - the ties come from the tsubadome, through the hole, and then are fastened to the tsuru. It looks nice, but it takes longer to attach and tends to come undone. Also the pressure against the tsuba is one sided (where the ties/hole are) and so is not as secure as the modern kind - the whole thing tends to lean at a bit of an angle.
It did take sometime to tie the strings to the tsuru/tsuka until Kirby taught me this way: tie a knot at the end of the strings, attach tsuba/tsubadome onto tsuka, then cross the knot underneath the tsuru. If the strings are long enough, the imbalance isn't that noticeable especially if the right hand is not far from it.

[ralphy]

Thanks a lot for all the replies. Now I see why you have to use a tsubadome.



I've tried to think of every possibility, and i can't figure out a situation where you'd want to play a tournament without a tsubadome...

I have a shoto shinai where the thick part of the wooden staves is very much on the lower side, i.e. near the bottom end of the shinai. That means there is not much room for the hand to grip properly. I already put on a longer tsukagawa and made the tsuba hole bigger so that it would go further up on the tsukagawa, but it's still not quite satisfactory. So, in an attempt to squeeze out every milimeter I can I thought about using no tsubadome.



The question is, do you practice Kendo? You should know the answer if you do.

This question is one I'd expect from a non-kendoka. No offense.

I do practice kendo. None taken.



Haben sie einen Kopf? Sigh... My germans pretty rusty.

The german you used was perfectly correct, both in regard to grammar and semantics.

Regards,
Ralph Rippel

[samurai999]

little OT. But ever since i learned German in HS, i could never get der den das die dem correct.. but oh well..

Tim