Niten Ichi Ryu

[Kendo-Sensei]

I no this isn't Kendo but I didn't know where to put it so I put in Waza. Does anyone no where I can get any online guides or books I could get or just any links about Miyamoto Musashi's Niten Ichi Ryu technique.

"A jouney of a thousand miles must begin with a single step" - Chinese Proverb :chinese:

[Hisham]

here's an adress where you ll find what you re looking for :http://www.hyoho.com/
One of the people that knows a lot about it is a senior member in this forum ,his nickname is Hyaku.
Next time if you want to know something about a kenjutsu ryu,you'd better ask your question at the Iaido part of this forum.
Hope i was of help, :)

[Kaoru]

Hi!

If you are talking about learning it on your own, no. But, a very good person to talk to and ask nice questions to, is Hyaku-sensei, who is a senior student of HNIR(Hyoho Niten Ichi Ryu) in Japan. He is the best person here to ask. He is on this forum from time to time. While you are at it, please check out his HNIR website:

http://www.hyoho.com/

This site may help answer some of your questions.

Hope this helps! :)

Edit: hahaha, Cross-posted with Hisham-san! You beat me Hisham-san! :D

Kaoru

[crabbi]

I recently sent off for a DVD regrading Niten Ichi Ryu:

Hyoho Niten Ichi Ryu Gokui Shinan
(Instruction in Hyoho Niten Ichi Ryu Secret Teachings)

Author:
Miyata Kazuhiro (http://www.buyubooks.com/results_list.cfm?aid=117)

Which is available at: http://www.buyubooks.com/product_details.cfm?id=10725

I have not yet received the DVD so I can't give you an opinion regarding its quality...

The contents are:
Contents

I. Kiri Zashi Gohon


1. Kiri Zashi Uchi Dome
2. Kiri Zashi Harai Giri
3. Ippyoshi Soto Barai
4. Ippyoshi Uchi Harai
5. Ryusui Uchi Dome

II. Shikko Gohon
(Close range dueling techniques)

1. Shikko no Tsuki (left)
2. Shikko no Tsuki (right)
3. Irimi
4. Sekka no Uchi
5. Juji Shuko no Mi

I will post an opinion ref this DVD when I have had a chance to view it.

Also... George Alexander has released a couple of DVDs ref Niten Ichi Ryu. Whther or not you are interested in these will largely depend on what you think of Dr. Alexander's presentation style (I find it okay...)

crabbi

[Kaoru]

I recently sent off for a DVD regrading Niten Ichi Ryu:

Hyoho Niten Ichi Ryu Gokui Shinan
(Instruction in Hyoho Niten Ichi Ryu Secret Teachings)

Author:
Miyata Kazuhiro (http://www.buyubooks.com/results_list.cfm?aid=117)

Which is available at: http://www.buyubooks.com/product_details.cfm?id=10725

I have not yet received the DVD so I can't give you an opinion regarding its quality...

The contents are:
Contents

I. Kiri Zashi Gohon


1. Kiri Zashi Uchi Dome
2. Kiri Zashi Harai Giri
3. Ippyoshi Soto Barai
4. Ippyoshi Uchi Harai
5. Ryusui Uchi Dome

II. Shikko Gohon
(Close range dueling techniques)

1. Shikko no Tsuki (left)
2. Shikko no Tsuki (right)
3. Irimi
4. Sekka no Uchi
5. Juji Shuko no Mi

I will post an opinion ref this DVD when I have had a chance to view it.

Also... George Alexander has released a couple of DVDs ref Niten Ichi Ryu. Whther or not you are interested in these will largely depend on what you think of Dr. Alexander's presentation style (I find it okay...)

crabbi
Alexander is a fraud, by the way. He was never taught HNIR.

And, that DVD you just bought is no good either. BTW, How can you have an opinion and appraise it, if you never trained in HNIR?

Anyway, ask Hyaku-sensei about all this. NONE of these materials are the real deal. HNIR is pretty much a closed Ryuha to outsiders. There are no teaching DVD's or videos of HNIR because none were made.

And, please see this thread concerning this Alexander person:

http://www.e-budo.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?threadid=28188

And, there was a thread here on HNIR and him and I forget where it is, but his "Kendo" isn't even real Kendo. Here is his own site:

http://www.shorin-ryukarate.com/IBKFRequirements.html

And very bad pics of "kendo:"

http://www.shorin-ryukarate.com/KendoGallery.html

Kaoru

[crabbi]

Thanks for sharing Kaoru (!) ... hope that made you feel better!!!

[Kaoru]

Thanks for sharing Kaoru (!) ... hope that made you feel better!!!
You're welcome. Feel better for what? I was just being factual. I left out the emoticons. There are just too many Musashi wannabes around. :)

Kaoru

[Hyaku]

There is little literature on the actual waza of the Ryu. It simply cannot be put down on paper. As with other arts you can only supplement what you learn in the Dojo from books and manuals. The ryu has an oral/practical tradition. As Soke says its like a full cup of water being transferred to a ne cup. We must ensure that non is spilt. So saying there are a good many who dont have a full cup and a lot who seemed to have poured their own!

There are also Mac dojo's here in Japan as well as other countries. One guy in the Fukuoka newspaper said he actually had "visions from Musashi".

The only way to get a real start is to attend one of our seminars or get some help from someone that has attended. I know it's a lot to ask but we all have to put ourselves out. A lot of us here in Japan travel well over 200 Kilometers a week just to meet up and practice and take up out own time to travel half way round the world to help. Others make the effort to come to us.

The last half of Dokodo I have translated contains text on both Ito and Nito Seiho. But I have no intentions on publishing it right now. I will leave the books and videos to the cowboys.

[crabbi]

Alexander is a fraud, by the way. He was never taught HNIR.

And, that DVD you just bought is no good either. BTW, How can you have an opinion and appraise it, if you never trained in HNIR?

Anyway, ask Hyaku-sensei about all this. NONE of these materials are the real deal. HNIR is pretty much a closed Ryuha to outsiders. There are no teaching DVD's or videos of HNIR because none were made.

And, please see this thread concerning this Alexander person:

http://www.e-budo.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?threadid=28188

And, there was a thread here on HNIR and him and I forget where it is, but his "Kendo" isn't even real Kendo. Here is his own site:

http://www.shorin-ryukarate.com/IBKFRequirements.html

And very bad pics of "kendo:"

http://www.shorin-ryukarate.com/KendoGallery.html

Kaoru
When I mentioned assessment of the quality of the DVD, my criteria will be around the quality of production, presentation and communication. As you say... how could I possibly rate it in terms of accuracy regarding this specific art (which I have never practiced and probably never shall, given its secrecy and exclusivity!!!).

I make no defence of George Alexander, but equally I would not stoop to calling him a charlatan / moneygrubber / fake behind his back.

It is very easy to hold high-flown opinions in anonymous fora such as these... I know, because I do it myself!

However, in the same way that I enjoy criticising poor hollywood melodrama and poor script-writing... I believe that poor martial arts materials also allow arrogant, pompous Martial Arts 'has-beens' (or never-were) to feel superior to somebody and parade their 'insider knowledge' in the hope of impressing a noob (like myself)...

Well frankly... it comes across as being more self-important, boorish, shabby and fake than a George Alexander DVD.

But thanks for the input anyway...

crabbi

[Hyaku]

(which I have never practiced and probably never shall, given its secrecy and exclusivity!!!).
crabbi
Its not secret and its not exclusive. But as long as there are people like Mr Alexander and World Head of Family Sokeship Council Grandmasters of this century around we need to try to protect and value what we know and to keep its level high. That's what separates us from those that know and those that say they know. We are just trying to preserve and expand a budo culture, not sell stuff!

Nito was okuden and was not taught in the open Dojo until the end of last year. So I am quite surprised that others profess to have so much knowledge of it when a lot of our own people did not do it.

The thing is if one shows willing and practices regularly a lot of what we may have thought was okuden or mongai fushutsu does get shown to us so we can hand it down in the manner it was taught.

Expect things to open up but if too many people mess about it will drive it back under. The "We are all students" policy sounds fine to me.

[Reikon]

NTIR schools are wicked hard to come by...

[Kaoru]

When I mentioned assessment of the quality of the DVD, my criteria will be around the quality of production, presentation and communication.

IMHO, You can do this for yourself, but don't pass it off here, as something worth buying.

As you say... how could I possibly rate it in terms of accuracy regarding this specific art (which I have never practiced and probably never shall, given its secrecy and exclusivity!!!).

I never said anything about secrecy and exclusivity. I said closed. I mean you can't learn HNIR unless you either go to Japan to study or go to one of the annual HNIR seminars given by Hyaku-sensei and the HNIR Soke. There was just one in France last month. In August, one in Canada. Otherwise, it is pretty much forget it. There was no need to be sarcastic on your part, BTW. You know why I said that. (Did you read Hyaku-sensei's post?)

I make no defence of George Alexander, but equally I would not stoop to calling him a charlatan / moneygrubber / fake behind his back.
Did you ever read the e-budo link I gave you? The consensus is that he is a charlatan to claim such things. I think maybe I could have been less blunt, but he is not a member of the Ryu. He has no qualifications in HNIR. Therefore, his video is worthless. It is unfortunate that this is so.

It is very easy to hold high-flown opinions in anonymous fora such as these... I know, because I do it myself!
It so happens that a lot of people think the same, so it is hardly a "high flown opinion." BTW, some people here know who I am. I don't always say perfect things. Nobody can do that. But, I know my opinion on this wasn't unfounded.

However, in the same way that I enjoy criticising poor hollywood melodrama and poor script-writing...
It is out of disgust, not enjoyment. I usually don't say anything unless it is really awful. I don't like people who take advantage of people who know little about JSA with their claims.

I believe that poor martial arts materials also allow arrogant, pompous Martial Arts 'has-beens' (or never-were) to feel superior to somebody and parade their 'insider knowledge' in the hope of impressing a noob (like myself)...
Are you indicating that I am trying to impress you? I never indicated that and I am not doing so. I don't even KNOW you. Besides, to try to impress someone with knowledge is stupid. What I said had nothing to do with feeling superior(Last thing on my mind.) and it isn't "insider" knowledge either. It is knowledge you gain from experience in the dojo and talking to others more advanced than you as well as reading on JSA subjects.(I don't know everything, but neither does anyone. And, I am hardly perfect.) Since you only JUST began training, I suggest not saying the above before you have enough background in JSA to back yourself up. (I am assuming you read the e-budo thread.)

Well frankly... it comes across as being more self-important, boorish, shabby and fake than a George Alexander DVD.

But thanks for the input anyway...

What becomes such as you said above, is when the person can't accept truth. If it was not true, I'd not say it.(And if I ever got something wrong, I'd sure as heck hope somebody trained, who knew the right thing, would correct me!) Though, I own that I could be less blunt.

You should view Hyaku-sensei's HNIR website. I am thinking you have not yet. He is a senior member of HNIR and what he says is quite valid. Of anyone you should pay attention to in regard to HNIR, it should be him.

Kaoru

[crabbi]

Its not secret and its not exclusive. But as long as there are people like Mr Alexander and World Head of Family Sokeship Council Grandmasters of this century around we need to try to protect and value what we know and to keep its level high. That's what separates us from those that know and those that say they know. We are just trying to preserve and expand a budo culture, not sell stuff!

Nito was okuden and was not taught in the open Dojo until the end of last year. So I am quite surprised that others profess to have so much knowledge of it when a lot of our own people did not do it.
Hyaku... I have no argument with protection of what is regarded as precious... this is an honourable thing to do. However, the first paragraph of your response first of all denies exclusivity, then gives a perfect definition of exclusivity....

I have no beef with that... but accept that if there are people hungry for knowledge, they will take whatever scraps are thrown their way... If you don't feed them, they will obtain food from other sources. If the only source is MacDojo Charlatans then this will become the de facto standard whether you like it or not... and your art will become devalued depite your best intentions. If you decide to publish at some time in the future, then you will face an awful lot of unlearning in the community... soory, but that's the way it works.

Regarding your website, I found it interesting and factual as Kaoru indicated it would be. This only serves to whet the appetite further!

As to Kaoru... thanks for your comments... your enthusiasm to defend your art does you credit... however your tone is offensive and heavy-handed... just an observation... not intended to be a personal attack...

Cheers

crabbi

[Kaoru]

Hyaku... I have no argument with protection of what is regarded as precious... this is an honourable thing to do. However, the first paragraph of your response first of all denies exclusivity, then gives a perfect definition of exclusivity....

I have no beef with that... but accept that if there are people hungry for knowledge, they will take whatever scraps are thrown their way... If you don't feed them, they will obtain food from other sources. If the only source is MacDojo Charlatans then this will become the de facto standard whether you like it or not... and your art will become devalued depite your best intentions. If you decide to publish at some time in the future, then you will face an awful lot of unlearning in the community... soory, but that's the way it works.

Regarding your website, I found it interesting and factual as Kaoru indicated it would be. This only serves to whet the appetite further!
Musashi's Ryuha has got to be the most exploited Ryuha around. So, it is quite understandable why Hyaku-sensei said what he did. What you said is wrong. You can't expect anything of the Ryu to just be handed to you or anyone else. It is like that in other Ryuha too. HNIR just happens to be harder to get a hold of than most.(For good reason.) You should not begrudge them of that, which is what you seem to be doing.

Regarding unlearning... They will have never learned in the first place, if they were fool enough to attempt to teach themselves using books and videos and/or train with self-proclaimed HNIR teachers who really aren't. Therefore, it is their fault only. It won't be Hyaku-sensei's fault at all for any of that, and for not publishing it, and you are really out of line for even hinting that it would be his fault for any of that.

As to Kaoru... thanks for your comments... your enthusiasm to defend your art does you credit... however your tone is offensive and heavy-handed... just an observation... not intended to be a personal attack...
To be honest, you indirectly attack and that is not very nice. You think you were not offensive and heavy handed? That one post to me and your post to Hyaku-sensei was just awful. I only replied as politely as I could, considering your remarks.

And, I am not an HNIR student. I have done Kendo for a year now. I think you misunderstood me when I mentioned "outsiders." I was not talking about me being an "insider" as a member of the Ryu, since I am not. But, I see now that you were, and I guess you thought I am an HNIR student when you said "insider," and I did not see or catch that, or I'd have made what I meant more clear in my reply so the wrong idea was not gotten. Sorry about the confusion. (There are no HNIR dojos in the US. Only in Canada can a person train in HNIR in N. Am.) :)

[crabbi]

...This could go on forever... let's draw a line under it and agree to eternally misunderstand each other Kaoru... :)

I am interested in the Niten Ichi Ryu intellectually, but am certainly not in any position to consider training / learning it.

... although I have trained / studied Martial Arts for over 25 years, I am a complete noob to Kendo and would not presume to suggest that I know more than someone who has practiced for a year + (I am being sincere here... not ironic!).

I am having to unlearn a lot of sword / bokken technique that I learned in Aikido... so I know how difficult this is.

I learn as much from observing the young Kendoka who are learning with me as I do from the words of experienced sempai... not false humility - fact! They are oftentimes much quicker to pick things up than us oldies... and instruction with them has to be very clear and unambiguous.

In fact, I rejoice in the fact that I learn more from my own kids on a daily basis than I could from the teachings of any guru / sage... and when I stop learning, I will be pushing up the daisies (an old British euphemism for being dead).

I have learned from my interaction with you that I need to be more judicious, sensitive and clear in my communication... especially when dealing with emotive issues...

If I have upset you, then I apologise - I have always respected other Martial Artists and you are certainly no exception... as I say, I have definitely learned a lot from this thread.... so thanks...

(and thanks for the links to the e-budo site).

All the best

crabbi

[Hisham]

I have no beef with that... but accept that if there are people hungry for knowledge, they will take whatever scraps are thrown their way... If you don't feed them, they will obtain food from other sources. If the only source is MacDojo Charlatans then this will become the de facto standard whether you like it or not... and your art will become devalued depite your best intentions. If you decide to publish at some time in the future, then you will face an awful lot of unlearning in the community... soory, but that's the way it works.


With all do respect for your years of experience, i have to disagree with you on this one,i do like to think of myself as curious about things and knowledge hungry but i don't go around absorbing whatever's thrown at me .A budoka should be able to differenciate between a real and false art just by seeking information about the master's lineage ,you gotta ultimately ask about the history of the art especially when you know that it has a long tradition.IMHO people who just swalow information without analysing it have only themselves to blame.
About the exlusivity issue, i think and i stand corrected that when an old art starts enlarging its circle of students ,it must be done in a way that the points (students) get to be as close as possible of the center,what i mean is the process of opening up has to take time so that the true pinciples are kept intact thus insuring that the students are given the real deal and also respect for there effort to seek the way of the art they have chosen.


Edit: hahaha, Cross-posted with Hisham-san! You beat me Hisham-san!
i guess it took a photo finish :D

[crabbi]

I may have been involved with Martial Arts for 25+ years and I may be 47 years old, but please don't assume that this guarantees maturity or experience...!

As I said to my kids the other day... How can I expect you to know what you what to do in the future when I still don't know what I want to do when I grow up?!

..and herein lies the heart of the issue... I accept my immaturity... My naivety and gullibility are confirmed on a daily basis... I have grown used to being disappointed by the people I trust and am constantly proven to be a poor judge of character.

I am learning all the time... listening all the time... and desperately trying to sort information into piles of 'Truth' and 'Non-Truth'... (and re-sorting this fairly frequently too).

I guess it depends on whether one cares that people will listen to false prophets as readily as 'true messiahs'. There's a rube born every second... and he/she can be saved by the truth or, just as easily, drown in a sea of lies... I just think that it would be great if people could be exposed to the genuine article rather than a poor imitation...

I am not just talking about myself here... it's far broader than that...

crabbi

[crabbi]

...and BTW, I have found (...and this is definitely from experience!) that a sense of humour helps immensely!!!


crabbi

[IZA]

I recently sent off for a DVD regrading Niten Ichi Ryu:

Hyoho Niten Ichi Ryu Gokui Shinan
(Instruction in Hyoho Niten Ichi Ryu Secret Teachings)

Author:
Miyata Kazuhiro (http://www.buyubooks.com/results_list.cfm?aid=117)

Which is available at: http://www.buyubooks.com/product_details.cfm?id=10725

I have not yet received the DVD so I can't give you an opinion regarding its quality...

The contents are:
Contents

I. Kiri Zashi Gohon


1. Kiri Zashi Uchi Dome
2. Kiri Zashi Harai Giri
3. Ippyoshi Soto Barai
4. Ippyoshi Uchi Harai
5. Ryusui Uchi Dome

II. Shikko Gohon
(Close range dueling techniques)

1. Shikko no Tsuki (left)
2. Shikko no Tsuki (right)
3. Irimi
4. Sekka no Uchi
5. Juji Shuko no Mi

I will post an opinion ref this DVD when I have had a chance to view it.

Also... George Alexander has released a couple of DVDs ref Niten Ichi Ryu. Whther or not you are interested in these will largely depend on what you think of Dr. Alexander's presentation style (I find it okay...)

crabbi

Those waza are strange to me. am with Hyoho Niten Ichiryu Kenjutsu , :-) but never heared those forms before.

am certainly interested from where mr. Alexander learned his Niten Ichryu, i hope hes not a fraud. :-)

[Stefan]

am certainly interested from where mr. Alexander learned his Niten Ichryu, i hope hes not a fraud. :-)

Aaaargh, I could not resist. Please have a look at the pictures from this link http://www.shorin-ryukarate.com/KendoGallery.html that Kaoru provided. Examine the dimensions of the training facilities. I don't think that one can practise Niten Itchi Ryu or Kendo correctly in a room with such a low ceiling (unless he only 150 cm tall).

Regards,

Stefan

[crabbi]

Aaaargh, I could not resist. Please have a look at the pictures from this link http://www.shorin-ryukarate.com/KendoGallery.html that Kaoru provided. Examine the dimensions of the training facilities. I don't think that one can practise Niten Itchi Ryu or Kendo correctly in a room with such a low ceiling (unless he only 150 cm tall).

Regards,

StefanGood observation Stefan!!! Hope those fluorescent ceiling lights are armour-plated!!!

Also the photo at the bottom looks as if they are using light sabres!!!

crabbi

[Slade]

Well, it looks like I'm not the only one on the path to enlightenment with Hyoho Niten Ichi Ryu. I just purchased Samurai Fighting Arts (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/4770028989/qid=1100116650/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/102-0180726-1955317?v=glance&s=books), by Fumon Tanaka. It seems to have a decent grasp on the concepts within HNIR, so I'm looking forward to reading through it. After I get enough reading material accumulated on it, I'm going to start visiting dojos that teach the art to see what changes or differences there are from place to place. Eventually (and this is reaching) I hope to put down on paper the whole art so that there's one overall reference to everything HNIR.

But that's something for a rainy day...

[Reikon]

Try Go Rin No Sho...lol

[Kaoru]

Well, it looks like I'm not the only one on the path to enlightenment with Hyoho Niten Ichi Ryu. I just purchased Samurai Fighting Arts (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/4770028989/qid=1100116650/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/102-0180726-1955317?v=glance&s=books), by Fumon Tanaka. It seems to have a decent grasp on the concepts within HNIR, so I'm looking forward to reading through it. After I get enough reading material accumulated on it, I'm going to start visiting dojos that teach the art to see what changes or differences there are from place to place. Eventually (and this is reaching) I hope to put down on paper the whole art so that there's one overall reference to everything HNIR.

But that's something for a rainy day... Well, I hate to tell you, but you picked up a load of... I'll be nice, garbage. All you have to do, is look at all his so-called credentials and licenses to know he is full of it. NOBODY is soke of that many styles. ROFL!!! Never mind the other many arts he claims to have studied and be actually proficient at. Nobody can even get good at so many. That's impossible, unless you're a superhuman, that is.

I pity the poor fool who actually swallows all that and thinks this guy knows everything just because he flaunts so much! The guy is not an HNIR teacher. Nito Ryu just means two sword style. It's not Musashi's school. Other Koryu have Nito in their Ryuha also. Hyoho Niten(Note: "en," not just "o." Different word.) Ichi Ryu is Musashi's Ryuha. Yet another Musashi wannabe it seems. Looking at the table of contents, and his "background," I would steer very clear of this book.

Anyway, before you even attempt writing a book, you'd better check with people for permission first, who are IN the Ryu before you bother. You should not try writing a book on it since you have no real knowledge of this Ryuha. And, most of the books you will get your hands on won't be the real deal anyway. And, it is doubtful that any real HNIR dojo will let you watch a practice just to get information for a book and publish what you saw.

There are no legit HNIR dojos in the US.(But I can think of two who never trained in it, who "teach" it.)

Very sorry. :)

Kaoru

[IZA]

Aaaargh, I could not resist. Please have a look at the pictures from this link http://www.shorin-ryukarate.com/KendoGallery.html that Kaoru provided. Examine the dimensions of the training facilities. I don't think that one can practise Niten Itchi Ryu or Kendo correctly in a room with such a low ceiling (unless he only 150 cm tall).

Regards,

Stefan


its very interesting...but wish mr Alexander can tell us where he learned Niten Ichiryu? from Imai Masayuki Soke?

[ukenagashi]

has any one succesfully beaten somebody who was using niten style, the one small sword pionting towrds you and one in the air? i was thinking about a fast kote on the right arm but i havent managed to have time for it, but i will try it as soon as possible, im hoping to get chidokan tim with a good attack but told tell him :wink:

[Kaoru]

has any one succesfully beaten somebody who was using niten style, the one small sword pionting towrds you and one in the air? i was thinking about a fast kote on the right arm but i havent managed to have time for it, but i will try it as soon as possible, im hoping to get chidokan tim with a good attack but told tell him :wink:
Hi Ukenagashi-san,

Actually, HNIR(Hyoho Niten Ichi Ryu-what this thread is about.) is not Nito Ryu(style) Kendo. HNIR is Kenjutsu, and Nito Ryu Kendo is just a two sword style using a long sword and a short sword, and shinai are used and not bokuto or real swords as the HNIR uses. According to Hyaku-sensei, if you used HNIR in Kendo, one would end up in hospital. HNIR has nothing to do with Nito Kendo. Notice "Nito" and "Niten" are two different words with two different meanings. :) Nito: Two swords, Niten: Two heavens. hehehe, Kendo did not exist in Musashi's time, and neither did shinai. :)

Why don't you start a Nito Kendo thread asking this question? You will get more replies to your question that way. :)

Kaoru

[ukenagashi]

oh right my mistake, i didnt realise that it was different

[Kaoru]

oh right my mistake, i didnt realise that it was different
hehehe, That's ok! :) Do you do Nito Kendo? I've never seen it. It must be cool! Anyway, try putting the Nito thread in the "Waza" forum. :)

Kaoru

[IZA]

According to Hyaku-sensei, if you used HNIR in Kendo, one would end up in hospital.

yes ,It would, since the target the thrust is intended towards the throat, if theres the men...the thrust would slip under the men-tare.

[ukenagashi]

ive done a bit that chidokan told me, i was shown how to get round it as well like a right doh and run through but on the right side and a left kote thats with a chudan - jodan no kamae, really interesting

[grasshopper_r2]

Crabbi,

thank you for your obsevations and humble character in reguards to this thread. It speaks highly of you. I agree with your opinions.

[Kaoru]

Hi Crabbi-san,


I guess it depends on whether one cares that people will listen to false prophets as readily as 'true messiahs'. There's a rube born every second... and he/she can be saved by the truth or, just as easily, drown in a sea of lies...

Gosh, this is so true... of anything, not just this. Your last sentence is especially true. Thing is, sometimes the fiction(lies) is so much more interesting than the plain boring truth, that the truth will get buried
and the lie believed. It can hurt a person if that happens, depending on what lie got spread when the truth was available. It is something one has to be careful of.

I just think that it would be great if people could be exposed to the genuine article rather than a poor imitation...
I see what you mean. But, Ryuha are not meant to be commercialised and readily available like Karate or TKD. So, that's why there is much less of it, and it depends on the Ryu whether or not it is more readily available. HNIR IS available to people. It just isn't in a form like how you see MJER or MSR dojos available now(The most common JSA usually available). There are seminars you can go to for HNIR. I think it would be nice to see some more legit HNIR dojo one day too. But, things are the way they are, because that is just how it is. It can't happen overnight. So, you have to go to a seminar if you are interested in learning more about it. To really study it though, a person would have to come to Canada to the Gueph school or go to Japan or something. That's the only thing I can think of, because one seminar a year isn't enough to say one is training in HNIR.
Guelph people are so lucky... :)

So for a person to clamp on to all this other stuff that isn't actual HNIR, when real HNIR information is available whether it be tangible or not, it is kind of silly, because the bad info won't help. It will just give incorrect information.

I am not just talking about myself here... it's far broader than that...
Can you please explain? I didn't get that. :)

Kaoru

P.S. How come you call yourself crabbi? You're not crabbi at all. :confused: You're nice.

[crabbi]

Can you please explain? I didn't get that. :)



Hi Kaoru-san ... I meant that I wasn't just representing a weakness that I recognise in myself ... I know that it is a common human failing ...

Thanks for your insightful comments (as always...!) ... much appreciated!!

cheers

crabbi

[crabbi]

Crabbi,

thank you for your obsevations and humble character in reguards to this thread. It speaks highly of you. I agree with your opinions.

Hi grasshopper_r2-san...

Thanks for the kind comments ... always appreciated!

As it happens, I am very proud of my humility (LOL!!)... It is always good to encounter kindred spirits... makes us realise that we are all so similar in essence...

cheers

crabbi

[crabbi]

P.S. How come you call yourself crabbi? You're not crabbi at all....



I have been using the screen-name crabbi for many years now... it goes back to when I used to play 'Counterstrike' on-line... right from the start my kids said that it made me crabby... and the idea stuck!!!

cheers

crabbi :)

[Kaoru]

Hi Kaoru-san ... I meant that I wasn't just representing a weakness that I recognise in myself ... I know that it is a common human failing ...

Thanks for your insightful comments (as always...!) ... much appreciated!!

cheers

crabbi
Oh, I get it now. Thanks! :) Mine are? Thank you. :o But, I think your comments are!

Kaoru

[Kaoru]

I have been using the screen-name crabbi for many years now... it goes back to when I used to play 'Counterstrike' on-line... right from the start my kids said that it made me crabby... and the idea stuck!!!

cheers

crabbi :)
Oh I see! hahaha, Funny! :D

Kaoru

[R A Sosnowski]

Well, it looks like I'm not the only one on the path to enlightenment with Hyoho Niten Ichi Ryu. I just purchased Samurai Fighting Arts (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/4770028989/qid=1100116650/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/102-0180726-1955317?v=glance&s=books), by Fumon Tanaka. It seems to have a decent grasp on the concepts within HNIR, so I'm looking forward to reading through it. After I get enough reading material accumulated on it, I'm going to start visiting dojos that teach the art to see what changes or differences there are from place to place. Eventually (and this is reaching) I hope to put down on paper the whole art so that there's one overall reference to everything HNIR.

But that's something for a rainy day...

Don't get your hopes up. It has a few nice historical pix, but that's all.

[Revenir]

I feel lucky that I went to a legitimate kendo dojo without doing any research on it whatsoever...

[lol]

u can buy his book

or get it online for free


it teaches basics in the form of physical sword fighting

but more technique, strategy, posture, spirituality

which is pretty helpful

[Legato]

I mean you can't learn HNIR unless you either go to Japan to study or go to one of the annual HNIR seminars given by Hyaku-sensei and the HNIR Soke. There was just one in France last month. In August, one in Canada. Otherwise, it is pretty much forget it. There was no need to be sarcastic on your part, BTW. You know why I said that. (Did you read Hyaku-sensei's post?)

Hmm, it seems they teach HNIR in Finland, and I think I read about upcoming official seminar in Finland too. I don't know too much about instructor, but I think he's Pasi Hellstén, Vice President of Finnish Iaido Federation. Maybe Hyaku-sensei knows more about this?

[ZealUK]

I think Pasi teaches HNIR and Muso Jikiden Eishin Ryu.
There's a picture of the Finnish group on Hyaku sensei Dosokai webpage...

http://www.hyoho.com/hyohoshi.html

I met these guys at the Roshukai seminar this summer, and the HNIR seminar in Paris. Nice chaps, and hardy drinkers. You Fins certainly know how to have a good time!

[Kaoru]

Hmm, it seems they teach HNIR in Finland, and I think I read about upcoming official seminar in Finland too. I don't know too much about instructor, but I think he's Pasi Hellstén, Vice President of Finnish Iaido Federation. Maybe Hyaku-sensei knows more about this?
Yes, you are right. Hyaku-sensei's website lists all the legit HNIR groups. I don't know how I left that one out. Sorry! (Thanks for pointing it out.)

Kaoru