Team Shiai

[KhawMengLee]

With the positions in the team I was just wondering what each positions mean for the person playing them:(below taken from singapore kendo club page)

Senpo- First team player
Jiho- Second team player
Chuken- Third (middle) team player
Fukusho- Fourth team player
Taisho- Anchor player

eg. is senpo, chuken and taisho anchor positions(particularly chuken) because they usually are match deciding positions?

MENG

[AlexM]

Quote for my sensei: "Chuken cannot lose" (directed towards his son who had just been defeated at that same position costing McGill 1st place in a tournament. . . which was followed by the drinking of many beers). Usually where you put your best fighter (most able to control a match).

"Senpo sets the tone for the entire shiai" (quote from a senpai). Usually where you put the guy who'll get a point or at least tire out his adversary and look good (i.e. set the tone, if he loses then you're already screwed).

"Taisho (captain) is the most useless position" (quote directed towards me from my teamates when I was asked to be taisho). Usually where you'll put either your senior player (on a good team) or your most insignificant one (on my teams).

[cklin]

All team positions are equally important!

[ben]

Taisho is *ideally* useless, but how many times have I seen a big match (usually a national final) come down to the last point between taisho? Sorry, rhetorical question - lots. In that case taisho needs incredible mental toughness, as well as indomitable technique.

A bit like a goalie. In a great team, they're never called upon.

b

[KhawMengLee]

arrrgh! It was the taisho situation today! Our A team lost by 1 point and it was in taisho...we won the match 2-1 but because they drew the first three matches and lost the fourth 2-0, the extra 1 point in the taisho match won it for them...drat...so close....


I was in taisho for the B squad...arrr. In the first match I knew we lost after the fukusho went down but I still went hard and lost by 2 kotes(though I debate the 2nd one because it hit my knuckle...but...)

My second match was great though...I was against a 3rd or 4th Dan and managed to score a good kote on him after 3.50mins...it was great cuz of the underdog factor...unfortunately I didn't play this to my advantage and try to play out the time...sigh...I kept attacking and was beaten by a hiki men and then men...still it was nice to score the first cut.

Well, not bad for my first shiai...better for the next

[KhawMengLee]

Oh, and after that I got my sankyu :D at the grading

[kendokamax]

only 3rd kyu??
it looks like a long process for your gradings! why so long?
I'm sure you have at least the shodan level.

anyway congrats on your tournament.
To get 1 ippon at the first tournament must be an amazing feeling!

[KhawMengLee]

hmmm...it takes about 2 to 3 years to get shodan here. Technically you can only grade twice a year(I think) so in theory each kyu should take 6 months, but double gradings do happen if the grading panel is impressed with the standard. Hopefully I can get shodan by the end of next year.

Yeah, Thanks, it was great to get the kote. I saw the target and did katsugi kote(sorta pulling back into hasso then striking). My seniors then said i should have then defending for the next minute to win...but I was pumped and wanted to attack...ah, well

but still...heh...it felt gooood

[AlexM]

Meng,

Could you clarify something for me? How do you count score in team matches? We do it by the number of wins. The matches are usually ippon-shobu (one point match). If the teams are tied after all 10 fighters have gone, two representatives from both teams are chosen for one final match (ippon-shobu). I take it you guys count up the number of ippon to use as a tie breaker?

I wonder if that method (counting the number of points as a tie breaker) isn't used here as well when the invididual team matches are sanbon-shobu (i.e. first one to two points).

Just looking for a clarification.


Forgot to say congrats on your first ippon: I had to wait until my 3rd tourney to get an ippon. . . but then I suck.
2-3 Years to get shodan. That does seem long. I just went for shodan last week after about 1 year and 3 months (just to get out of mudansha division in tournaments). I am by no means exceptional either.

[KhawMengLee]

The rules were decided before the matches:

No tsuki because it was a mixed grade competition.

Match goes for 5 minutes.

nihonme (2 point) match.

Scoring is done by counting all the points scored in all the five matches. (note:1 hansoku isn't counted but 2 hansoku = 1 point)

In the event of a draw the team captains pick their best fighter for a final match.

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With this in mind our A team lost by just 1 point. The first match was 0-0, second 1-1, third 1-1, fourth 2-0, fifth 1-2. So the opposition had 5 points to our 4.

PEACE
MENG

[Neil Gendzwill]

The usual rules for team matches are sanbon-shobu, no ensho. Winner is the side with the most wins. If it's tied on wins, the side with the most points wins. If it's tied there, both sides pick a representative (not necessarily taisho) and they fight to determine the winner. The tie-breaker is usually ippon-shobu.

[KhawMengLee]

YEAH, THATS IT SANBON-SHOBU....SORRY, MY TERMINOLOGY IS BAD...

[Ares2907]

Usually hansoku are not cumulative.

[KhawMengLee]

you are probably right there, they mentioned something like that at the start but I wasn't too sure. The 5 mins a round was a shocker to me though as I thought it would be oly 3mins.

Though there was only one match with hansoku...heh, the guy ran out of bounds twice. The first he backed out and the secound he went "MEEEEEENNNNN!!!" and went on and on sorta just ran out...heh

[KATSUJIN]

well.....although all players are important in a team....i think that the sempo and chuken r the most important....because sempo creates a mood for the team...if he draws or loses...the whole team is affected...if he or she wins....the team's morale is up......the chuken is someone i think who can change the tide the team match....because if he lose....the last two must win.....and he also boosts the morale of the last two if he wins.....so i think these 2 are very important....