Kokoro Ryu

[jezah81]

For some time now i have been looking for a school that teaches more than just the sword arts. I came across this dojo which has caught my attention. Does anyone know the history of this ryu? Is there any similar ryus in Japan?

http://www.kokororyu.com

Kind Regards,

Jeremy Hagop

[Matlock]

For some time now i have been looking for a school that teaches more than just the sword arts. I came across this dojo which has caught my attention. Does anyone know the history of this ryu? Is there any similar ryus in Japan?

http://www.kokororyu.com (http://www.kokororyu.com/)

Kind Regards,

Jeremy HagopNope, looks like someone just made it up.... could be the name of the school that claims to teach Jujutsu, Bukijutsu and kenjutsu.
Kokoro just means "heart" or "spirit". Strange to see that also the name "Kokoro Ryu Martial Arts" is a registered trade mark. It means someone claims an exclusive right to it. This has GOT to be a school in the US. :)

Cheers

[nodachi]

Actually, I think it said Sydney, Australia.

[Richiro]

Actually, I think it said Sydney, Australia.
Yep, it says its austrailian.

[Matlock]

Did you see what they call Kenjutsu? http://www.kokororyu.com/faq.php#kokoro That one photo looks like they are wearing kendo gear but don`t think that it is kendo :-) Gekken??? What about that iaido?

Any thoughts?

[Hisham]

Did you see what they call Kenjutsu? http://www.kokororyu.com/faq.php#kokoro That one photo looks like they are wearing kendo gear but don`t think that it is kendo :-) Gekken??? What about that iaido?

Any thoughts?
Maybe it's one of those ryu that use bogu and shinai, read about one of them a while ago but i don't remember the name of the school.

[Rouisu]

Gekken is full armour sparring. I also practice a kenjutsu style in Sydney (not the one you're talking about though) and that's how we put our knowledge into practice. Think of Gekken sparring as free sparring in Kendo, minus the rules. It's very rough, believe me.

[Alex_McGrady]

Gekken is full armour sparring. I also practice a kenjutsu style in Sydney (not the one you're talking about though) and that's how we put our knowledge into practice. Think of Gekken sparring as free sparring in Kendo, minus the rules. It's very rough, believe me.Is that for real??? It sounds like Pre-WW2 kendo.... sounds strange that it is still practiced.... who is an authority to teach it??? How do they rank??? What Federation? Nothing like this even exists in Japan, does it??? Sounds like backyard-wrestling kendo style! "I'm going cut you sucka"

[Fonsz]

Yes please enlighten us, with this fascinating subject.

[Kingofmyrrh]

I don't know about where the instructors come from, but with a name like 'kokoro ryu'... if that's a real Japanese ryuha then I'll eat my keyboard. On their 'about' page it says their style is based on centuries of knowledge, which may be true, but they should make it clear that they're not directly affiliated with any of the groups that have been around for that long.

[Alex_McGrady]

I don't know about where the instructors come from, but with a name like 'kokoro ryu'... if that's a real Japanese ryuha then I'll eat my keyboard. On their 'about' page it says their style is based on centuries of knowledge, which may be true, but they should make it clear that they're not directly affiliated with any of the groups that have been around for that long.Kingofmyrrh, well said!!!! I and others appreciate your voice of experience and support.

Are you still studying at Keio?

Alex

[Kingofmyrrh]

I'm not all that experienced...
Actually, I finished at Keio a few months ago. I should change my location! Still, I'll probably be back practicing there (not as a student this time) so maybe I'll just leave it for the time being. Their club, and the guys and girls in it, pretty much define to me what kendo should be so I guess it's kind of important in my kendo life... 若き血！

[Airjohn]

Just checked the photo gallery and saw quite a large number of 10th and 9th Dan holders....Quite out of order, don't you think?

[neko kenshi]

I agree, it does sound alittle fishy, but if those picture captions were accurate, it seems he has affiliations with some known iaido ryus. I don't really know, just pointing that out.

[mad_god]

For some time now i have been looking for a school that teaches more than just the sword arts. I came across this dojo which has caught my attention. Does anyone know the history of this ryu? Is there any similar ryus in Japan?

http://www.kokororyu.com (http://www.kokororyu.com/)

Kind Regards,

Jeremy Hagop

Who cares how long it exists?
The most important is if you find something that will be useful for you, and if you will like to practice there.
Thinking that budo doens't change is a big mistake.
Things that were taught in the past not necessary are corrects or useful nowaydas.
You must be clever enough to realize it during your practice.

MAD GOD

[Twobitmage]

I dunno, it doesnt seem to me to be a legitimate koryu (if that's what you're looking for)

And to the above poster, your right in some sense that some techniques are not nessesarily applicable today (especially techniques defending against sword attacks) but I think you have to realise that these arts survived for centuries because they worked, in the streets of fuedal towns and on the battlefields. I dont think its right to give the creator of this thread the impression that new old arts are useless.

[mad_god]

I dunno, it doesnt seem to me to be a legitimate koryu (if that's what you're looking for)

And to the above poster, your right in some sense that some techniques are not nessesarily applicable today (especially techniques defending against sword attacks) but I think you have to realise that these arts survived for centuries because they worked, in the streets of fuedal towns and on the battlefields. I dont think its right to give the creator of this thread the impression that new old arts are useless.

You misunderstood my point.
First.
As you said, old arts were useful as killing techniques along the centuries.
Such arts passed generation to generation through talking and practice.
But did you realize what you sensei are teaching you is not exactly the same you or other senior senpais are doing?
The same "art" never will be passed in its origin ( the creator's one ).
Second.
The combination of 2 styles can be used to originate a better one.
In fact, some styles even copied other schools and improved their techniques.
I am not saying this Kokoro-ryu is one of them, but unless you don't go and see by yourself it is wrong blame without knowing its contents.
Third
Schools were created most of them during Tokugawa period. Means, peaceful period. Most of the schools were basically arts to fight oponents in dojos or duels.
Battlefields soldiers (or warriors if you prefer) didn't have time to make accurate cuttings. If you come back alived, that's what really matters.
In fact, most of them died before unsheathe their swords.
Fourth
The ryuhas that exist today still survived because their masters were strong. It doesn't mean necessarily what they were taughting the strongest technique to their pupils.
And in the same way, those ryuhas that disappeared don't mean they were weakers. Political influence, Historical events also had strong influence for them disappear or not became famous.

MAD GOD

[megumi_chan]

You misunderstood my point.
First.
As you said, old arts were useful as killing techniques along the centuries.
Such arts passed generation to generation through talking and practice.
But did you realize what you sensei are teaching you is not exactly the same you or other senior senpais are doing?
The same "art" never will be passed in its origin ( the creator's one ).

MAD GOD

although i do agree with you that a sensei or senior that teaches you may not teach exaclty the same as the one who created the art, it depends on how well the person teaches.... but, in every kata you do or practice their is always a "reason" for that, right? as long as the point has been made or understood with what the intent for that certain kata might be, what the creators reason for originating that....... will still be passed on.......

[Hughes]

c'mon, their sensei walks on fire!! (http://www.kokororyu.com/sensei.php)

[Mukeido]

Hello,

Just for those who are interested, a revealing thread about the FRAUD Wayne Hanley and his Kokoro ryu can be found on e-Budo in the Baffling Budo section.

[neit]

i don't know why so many people insist on creating their own style. sure have you own dojo, teach however you like. but why throw away the established name of your lineage and make up your own? my corolla runs fine, but i did'nt tear the toyota symbol off the hood and plaster a big "N" on the front.