Eating during Tournament [Archive]

Kendoka

17th December 2002, 09:50 AM

It's not only what you eat on the day but also what you have eaten in the days leading into the tournament.

Low fat, a bias toward carbohydrates in the form of rice, pasta, vegetables, fruit, cereal, bread.

On the day, some one mentioned sports drinks already, also bananas (a little bit at a time) and those jelly snake things (serious), those will all help to keep your blood sugar up without filling your stomach and slowing you down.

Have a sensible breakfast, cereal, fruit, toast, coffe/tea/juice.

And when and what you eat during the day depends on how your body handles food and the timing of your events etc.

Richard (now I'm hungry !)

AlexM

17th December 2002, 10:12 AM

I wonder if this entire discussion isn't academic (not academic as in intellectual, but as in irrelevant).

I remember seeing video clips from Japan and Korea showing Naoki Eiga, among others, puffing away on a cigarette between matches (the man was still wearing bogu for the love of God!). Which leads to the question: Does any of this really matter? If some of the best kendoka in the world smoke, than how important can a good diet really be. Maybe we should all take up smoking. . . Or maybe not. . . nothing quite like that lovely stench and hacking cough in the morning. Maybe we shouldn't over analyse our diets too much, it's just amateur sport after-all (but then what else are we going to talk about. . .)

As to what I eat on the day of a tournament, the answer is: Whatever they want to serve me (food is usually included in the registration fee). I've had obento, a choice of Chinese food, crap, Vietnamese sandwiches, etc. . . I lose no matter what I eat.

Please fell free to flame.

JSchmidt

17th December 2002, 11:23 AM

You should whatever doesnt unsettle your body.
Carbo-loading prior to a tournament won't do you much good, but of course you should eat enough to maintain energy throughout the day.
The amount of calories actually burnt off during shiai is minimal, unless you start to get around 8-10 fights. (And that is easily replaced with a sports drink and a granola bar/banana).
I like sports drinks, but it's more because it tells my body to prepare to be active.

Jakob

Will

17th December 2002, 03:57 PM

Nothing for breakfast, cliff bars and rice for lunch. About half a week before a tournmanet i binge on fruits and vegis. The night before i have pasta.

munenmuso

17th December 2002, 04:27 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by AlexM
[B]I wonder if this entire discussion isn't academic (not academic as in intellectual, but as in irrelevant).

I remember seeing video clips from Japan and Korea showing Naoki Eiga, among others, puffing away on a cigarette between matches (the man was still wearing bogu for the love of God!). Which leads to the question: Does any of this really matter? If some of the best kendoka in the world smoke, than how important can a good diet really be. Maybe we should all take up smoking. . . Or maybe not. . . nothing quite like that lovely stench and hacking cough in the morning. Maybe we shouldn't over analyse our diets too much, it's just amateur sport after-all (but then what else are we going to talk about. . .)

Yeah, my other Japanese sensei is a chain smoker. He'll smoke several times before practice commence, smokes every 5-minute breaks, and smoke after practice and ignore water and so so.Besides his spare shinai is a pack of cigar always waiting for its owner . But despite his chronic habit on smoking, he still kicks ass better than the rest of us and he never grasps for air even from a long shiai with the headmaster. I wonder how? Though he'll never be the epitome of a model kendoka in terms of healthy living, his resistance and durability never seizes to amaze me. I should know cause I used to smoke sometimes and it's adverse effect on me while doing kendo is hard to ignore.

David J

17th December 2002, 04:53 PM

Originally posted by AlexM
I remember seeing video clips from Japan and Korea showing Naoki Eiga, among others, puffing away on a cigarette between matches (the man was still wearing bogu for the love of God!).

Why do else do you think the Men has a grill at the front? :D

<rei>

Dave

Kendoka

18th December 2002, 08:55 AM

Originally posted by munenmuso
[QUOTE]Originally posted by AlexM
[B]I wonder if this entire discussion isn't academic (not academic as in intellectual, but as in irrelevant).

The Australin Institute of Sport did a scientific comparison of the Australian Swimming Team on the influence that diet had on theirperformance. They had 2 groups, one ate what they usually ate, the other group ate the controlled diet (roughly what I described in my previous post).

The controlled diet group, over a period of a few weeks, showed a measured increase in performance, ie., quicker times.

Richard

AlexM

18th December 2002, 09:19 AM

Originally posted by Kendoka

The Australin Institute of Sport did a scientific comparison of the Australian Swimming Team on the influence that diet had on their performance. They had 2 groups, one ate what they usually ate, the other group ate the controlled diet (roughly what I described in my previous post).

The controlled diet group, over a period of a few weeks, showed a measured increase in performance, ie., quicker times.

Richard

Yes, but did they control for the "smoking" variable? :D

I should probably mention that being French, no sport in the world could make me change from foie gras, vin rouge (un petit "Côtes de Rhône" ferait bien l'affaire), pommes de terre sautées, agneau à la provençale, faillots, salade servie avec gésiers de canard, etc. to some God awful, high carb, "nutritious" and tasteless diet. Kendo be damned! I'll keep my priorities straight thank you very much! And I haven't even mentionned how much I like Italian, Chinese, Vietnamese, Korean, Indian, Mexican, Greek, etc. cooking.

It's just amateur sport after all (do you know how many out of shape sensei and kendoka I've seen so far? It's bloody embarrassing! And they're not even eating the good stuff).

Will

18th December 2002, 11:19 AM

Originally posted by AlexM

... (do you know how many out of shape sensei and kendoka I've seen so far? It's bloody embarrassing! And they're not even eating the good stuff).

Oh, the fat stomachs you see isn't from diets, it's from drinking!

JSchmidt

18th December 2002, 12:13 PM

"The controlled diet group, over a period of a few weeks, showed a measured increase in performance, ie., quicker times."

It all depends on how much you are exercising. If you are on a fairly strict exercise-regime, then yes, a controlled diet will make sure you get a balanced ratio of carbs, protein, fat and vitamins, which will enable you to improve performance.
Doing that just before a tournament will have virtually no effect.
I reckon that a hard hour of kendo will burn around 800-1000 calories, although I never got around to check it. (Which is about the same I burn after 1 hard hour on the bike, staying around the anaerobic threshold.), which isnt really all that much.

Jakob

David J

18th December 2002, 04:26 PM

I must admit I'm with Jakob here. The controlled diet is absolutely proven, if you're a sportsman. I'm not saying Kendo isn't hard - I find it one of the hardest exercises I've done, but thats cos we do it for two hours. Shiai are mostly pretty short with a good deal of rest time - its not an endurance event like, say, the Tour De France. With something like that diet makes a huge difference (even if some of the greats apparently used to ask for champagne in their last water bottle of the day....). As Jakob says, carbo-loading at the last minute for a few 2 min bursts of activity wont make a huge difference - except perhaps mentally. If you really feel your exact ratio of sport bars / isotonic drinks / pasta / spam / beer gives you better performance, then it probably does.

<rei>

Dave

2muchryt

18th December 2002, 07:31 PM

To Alex M,

"feel free to flame"
I dont see what ones sexual prefrences has to do with it.
And unless your Sensei eats his cigarettes, perhaps, maybe, your
comment is "irrelevant". That is to say, the thread is about
eating and not about smoking. While smoking affects your
heart rate, introduces chemicals into the blood stream and
releases endorphins into the brain, smoke is not some thing
that the body digests. Food on the other hand is something
quite different than smoke.
As for your taste in wine, if you insist on french wine (and not a
nice Australian Shiraz), although Côtes de Rhône is not as heavy,
as a Bordeaux, I would suggest a nice 1987 Cheateau d' Yquem or mabye something from Alsace, that way you would get the
carbs plus a little boost from the sugar. But of course you said
vin rouge. Hmmm, well, since you like Italian food, why dont you
try some vino santo? It's red, its has high alcohol, carbs,
and the sugar buzz. But wait, vino santo doesn't pair well
with foie gras. Okay, the Rhône it is. But I would prefer a
Jaboulet Hermitage La Chapelle 1990. ... There is extraordinary
freshness for such a mammoth wine. In addition to abundant tannin, it has an amazing 60-second finish. Not to mention that
wonderful French "terroir". Ah yes,,,,,,"terroir".
Of course I personally dont drink alcohol (not my choice, but orders from my Sensei) for a week or two before a shiai.
But then I dont always lose.

by the way, what kind of Frenchman uses the term "bloody"?

AlexM

18th December 2002, 10:35 PM

The thread just seemed too "self-important" for me: Who the hell changes their diet for kendo? (no, please don't answer that). Apparently the answer was quite a few people. I'm obviously not taking this seriously enough. I tell you what, you boost your carbs, I'll boost my blood-alcohol level. . .

The smoking thing was to point how many of the best seem to be very "blasé" (that works in English right) about their health anyways. My sensei doesn't smoke but my old sempai does and he is very, very good. Plus there are all those Japanese cops that do so too. Sort of depressing really.

You sir know more about wine than I do. Much more. But then that's not a great achievement, I only drink what I'm served (which is usually the affordable but good stuff). And I do like the Bordeaux as well (don't like the weaker wines), good strong stuff you can taste. There's some nice Californian wine too (as long as it's not from Modesto). Try some of the red's out of Southern France, I've had good experience with them (can't remember the specific name though).

As for what kind of Frenchman uses the term "bloody": The kind that watches Monty Python and that was born in North America!

Great, I've manged to make a diet thread the subject of controversy. Marde (that's "merde" in québécois).

nodachi

18th December 2002, 11:49 PM

Earlier I was just posting what I ate at competitions and not really stating that it makes me do Kendo better, but I do agree with those that don't alter their diet for Kendo.

It is a different kind of activity that doesn't yield such great benefits from a special diet. Altered diets seem to me to be most important for long activities like marathons, long bike races, or competitions that last more than an hour. If your sport doesn't last longer than an hour of continuous activity, then carbo loading isn't really a big bonus. You need to exercise HARD for longer than an hour to really deplete your energy reserves. I don't think any of us have many matches that are an hour long, at least I hope not. :)

I know you can have special diets to help improve weight training for muscle growth/toning or whatever but Kendo seems to be more about technique, speed, and muscular endurance, which I think can be gained from lots of suburi and doesn't necessarily need a special diet.

Granted, you shouldn't eat junk all the time and smoke like a chimney, but if you eat a relatively balanced diet, I doubt it makes a drastic difference.

Neil Gendzwill

19th December 2002, 01:15 AM

Originally posted by nodachi
I don't think any of us have many matches that are an hour long, at least I hope not. :)
If you're lucky and make it to the end of the tournament, you could well be fighting for an hour or more total. And at tournament level, that's an hour of anaerobic activity.

I noted at least one guy at the national team round robins popping little squeeze packs of booster gel stuff inbetween fights.

JSchmidt

19th December 2002, 01:31 AM

"I noted at least one guy at the national team round robins popping little squeeze packs of booster gel stuff inbetween fights."

The gel stuff is the about the same as you get in your average sports drink...although some claim it's easier on the stomach.
Interestingly cyclists of old used to use flat coke...which some of the new generation of cyclist are using as well and claim it to be as good as any sports drink/gel.
(Note: Diet coke wont work...it doesnt have any calories!)

Jakob

James

19th December 2002, 04:15 AM

No one seems to have mentioned the 'Guiness and Kebab' regime.

Gorget-the-Frog

19th December 2002, 04:25 AM

Originally posted by James
No one seems to have mentioned the 'Guiness and Kebab' regime.

Sounds suprisingly like my diet, though it's more like ramen noodles and Labatt Blue. Unless you meant drinking guiness between matches at a taikai. In which case your kiai might improve, but I don't think much else would. Drunken kendo sounds like a bad idea all around.

Fai

19th December 2002, 04:32 AM

I think everyone should eat healthly any way even if they are not entering a shiai. As for controlled diet ahahahaha i just eat what every I want but normally it consists of rice, fish/chicken and lots of veg and fruits. Never eat much fried stuff.

Though I never eat too much anyway, my poor stomach gets filled very easily, its shamefull when your girl friend eats more than you ;)

Then again before and after a shiai I tend to eat my big chinese pack lunch (rice and chicken and veg). Maybe that is why I never do so well at shiai's or maybe because my kendo need much improvement :)

I like food :P

2muchryt

19th December 2002, 06:16 AM

i have tried changing my diet in the days leading up to a tournament.
i personally can't tell if there is difference (i still sucked).
i have, however, noticed a difference on the day of a shiai.
if i eat alot, i am slugish.
if i eat very little, i am okay untill the semi finals and final.
at that point i run out of gas.
i guess i will try early breakfast/sports gel/banana thing next time
and see what happens.
also a friend of mine who is a nationally ranked wheel chair athelete
swears that throughout the day of the competition, he eats a little raw beef
with some fat in it (not too lean), a raw egg, raw butter, uncooked honey,
uncooked nuts, a little raw unpastuerized cheese,
and other raw "fatty" and protein stuff.
he says that animal fat, when its raw, is turned into energy by the body.
(or something like that)

ALEX M : "You sir know more about wine than I do. Much more. But then that's not a great achievement"

Wine appreciation, NOT an great achievement ?
are you really French?

(sorry, i cant figure out how to get that little smiley face
to let you know i am just kidding)

AlexM

19th December 2002, 06:46 AM

No, no good sir. You misunderstood (or I miscommunicated). I meant that knowing more about wine than I DO is not a great achievement. I know nothing. I am a great ignorant. I just drink the stuff that's put under my nose.

kendokamax

19th December 2002, 06:59 AM

hmmm poutine !! québec rulez!

Neil Gendzwill

19th December 2002, 11:45 AM

Originally posted by kendokamax
hmmm poutine !! québec rulez!
I was gonna say, he's Quebecois, not French. A connoisseur of poutine and Labatt 50, maybe.

Ducking,

kendokamax

19th December 2002, 11:55 AM

actually AlexM is 50% french or something.

but I am 100% quebecois!! hehehe

AlexM

19th December 2002, 12:03 PM

Originally posted by Neil Gendzwill

I was gonna say, he's Quebecois, not French. A connoisseur of poutine and Labatt 50, maybe.

Ducking,

Actually I'm both. Though I'm Québécois first and foremost of course.

Poutine should be discouraged before, during and after tournaments. For those who know what I'm talking about. . . you know what I'm talking about. That stuff is nasty, vile, repugnant, disgusting and would no doubt catch on fast if properly marketed :D . Furthermore, most commercial beers in Canada are generally vile, tasteless, horse-piss when compared with the European and some micro-brewery stuff. May Molson and Labatt (and all the others in the US as well) fall of the face of the earth forever.

OK, that's it, this thread should be returned to its proper subject. I apologize for all this.

We now return you to your regularly scheduled thread. . . My broth is getting cold.

mingshi

19th December 2002, 01:36 PM

Back to the topic....

Although I haven't been in much Tournements...... I've to remind myself to bring in some food next time.

Breakfast is essential. But not too much of course.

Twice I had my fight at 3pm, and only discovered this around lunch break. Eating within less than 3 hours of Kendo will upset your stomach :( All your blood cells will be busy transporting nutrition, resulting in lack of oxygen to your brain and muscles (same reason why you feel sleepy after lunch....)

But Kendo without food is like a car without fuel...... Last time I almost fainted on the floor when my opponent gets pushy and lightly punch to my head....

At least bring in snacks!!!

Gorget-the-Frog

19th December 2002, 02:22 PM

May Molson and Labatt (and all the others in the US as well) fall of the face of the earth forever.

God bless the french, forever flying in the face of good taste.

2muchryt

19th December 2002, 05:35 PM

i have found an improvement in my kendo performance at tournament if i refrain from (or at least cut down in) alcohol comsumption in the days (or somtimes weeks) prior to a tournament. this must be purely psychological since, i assume, it goes against the fact so many good kenshi drink alcohol right up to the night before a shiai.

PS although The US may have crappy beer (it's true),
at least we did'nt unleash Celine Dion onto the world. hee hee!

Neil Gendzwill

19th December 2002, 10:59 PM

Originally posted by 2muchryt
although The US may have crappy beer (it's true),
at least we did'nt unleash Celine Dion onto the world. hee hee!
We sincerely apologise for that. We're also sorry about Avril Lavigne, Anne Murray, Paul Anka and Bryan Adams.
To make up for it, we offer you Neil Young, Joni Mitchell, Holly Cole, the Guess Who, Sarah McLachlan, Diana Krall, the Tragically Hip and Wide Mouth Mason.

Charlie

20th December 2002, 05:08 AM

Ahhhh.

Thanks for Diana Krall.

Neil Gendzwill

20th December 2002, 05:35 AM

Originally posted by Charlie
Ahhhh.

Thanks for Diana Krall.
If you like Diana, do yourself a favour and buy some Holly Cole records. Similar vein but more creative and less classical torch-y.

ben

20th December 2002, 05:36 AM

And I apologise for Australians being the most tragically serious about sport (although even without Shane Warne the Poms have absolutlely no chance this summer ;) ).

I know people (mostly national kendo team members) who have employed dietitians to work out how to optimise their competition performance. And it paid off too. Last WKC Australia came within one point of a top four finish. Not bad for a country with about 500 registered kendoka.

My understanding of the equation is that since kendo is predominantly an anaerobic activity, it does no harm to load your muscles with carbohydrate as that is the primary energy source you will be drawing on in shiai. This needs to be done in the weeks leading leading up to comp, not just the night before. I find I perform best if I've got a lot of fuel in the fuel lines, but almost nothing in the tank.

b

JSchmidt

20th December 2002, 06:09 AM

"although even without Shane Warne the Poms have absolutlely no chance this summer "

Bah...same old. They're great the whole year, but the moment they face the Aussies, they play like a blind net-ball team.
No doubt that Australia got the best cricket team, but England isn't *that* bad (Honest!).

Jakob

Ares2907

20th December 2002, 08:41 AM

As for anaerobic activity et al, for those with a bit of money to spend, you might like to investigate the benefits of taking creatine for ATP (Adenosine triphosphate) maximisation (ATP is the stuff that is burned by muscles during anaerobic activity - the more you have, the longer it takes to achieve muscluar exhaustion).
btw, ignore the stuff about creatine loading phases, it's bullshit to get you to consume more product. Timing and amount are more relevant.

As for types of fuel within the body, there are four main types and are contained in different proportions within the body, dependent on your diet - glucose, protein, free fatty acids (FFA), and ketones (which generally play a non-existant role in the body as they are not present in sufficient number to be utilised)

here are a few passages from 'The Ketogenic Diet' by Lyle McDonald for those that are interested. . .

'The difference in the proportion of each fuel used will depend on the metabolic state of the body (i.e. aerobic exercise, weight training, normal diet, ketogenic diet/fasting). . . In general, tissues of the body will use a given fuel in proportion to its concentration in the bloodstream. So if a given fuel (i.e. glucose) increases in the bloodstream, the body will utilize that
fuel in preference to others. By the same token, if the concentrations of a given fuel decrease in the bloodstream, the body will use less of that fuel. By decreasing carbohydrate availability, the ketogenic diet shifts the body to using fat as its primary fuel.'

'When present in sufficient quantities, glucose is the preferred fuel for most tissues in the body. The major exception to this is the heart, which uses a mix of glucose, FFA and ketones.
The major source of glucose in the body is from dietary carbohydrate. However, other substances can be converted to glucose in the liver and kidney through a process called
gluconeogenesis (¡Ægluco¡Ç = glucose, ¡Æneo¡Ç = new, ¡Ægenesis¡Ç = the making). This includes certain amino acids, especially alanine and glutamine.'

Ignoring the stuff about ketogenesis, it should be fairly obvious that one needs to keep one's carb levels up during strenuous exercise, whether you prefer to load up on pasta several hours before, or eat your chocolate du jour several minutes before. I'm not sure if one or the other is more effective, I guess it depends on what level of carbs your normal diet contains.

For those interested, ketogenesis is a method that many use to do a number of things, such as controlling some kinds of epilepsy and dropping fat without losing lean body mass (a difficult thing to do).

As for the cricket, this summer has definately disproved the australian notion of 'barracking for the underdog'.

Sorry for the length of the post, hope its of some use to someone.

KhawMengLee

20th December 2002, 09:52 AM

Heh, as they say, Waugh and Howard should change jobs. One so Australia will finally get a respectable able politician and two so the cricket will drop to an acceptable level so the rest of the world can play again.

2muchryt

20th December 2002, 09:53 PM

ares,
thanks for the info and the science.

litige

24th September 2004, 07:16 AM

, no sport in the world could make me change from foie gras, vin rouge (un petit "Côtes de Rhône" ferait bien l'affaire), pommes de terre sautées,

Bringing back the old thread...but hey I Just got that thing you might be interested about (among others). It's a recipe from a book called "Saveurs du Québec". The recipe is among many mouth-watering recipe, some are purely from Quebec (like mousse a l'érable) other from France (duh!). So AlexM here's the recipe for Mille-Feuilles au foie gras et pommes de terre au xeres (Mille-feuilled foie gras with Xeres Potatoes):

4 Average potatoes (not the sweet ones) buy some good ones
15g ( 1 soup-spoon) of butter
15ml ( 1 soup-spoon) of vegetable oil
250g ( 8 oz) of duck foie gras, scliced in scallops (Deff.: [French escalope, probably from Middle French, shell] : a thin slice of boneless meat (as veal))
50ml (1/4 cup) of xeres vinegar
200ml (3/4 cup) of...Meat ice? Glace de viande in french!
Coarse salt

Peel and cut each potatoes in 5 slices, keep only the 3 best (for each potatoes) and "color" them with the butter and oil until complete cooking.

In a very hot teflon poêle (sorry I dind't find the english word for it, if someone knows it please do tell!) seize (saisir) the foie gras scallops, 3 seconds on each side then pour on it the xeres vinegar and the meat ice. Reduce it 30 seconds on a "sharp fire??" (feu vif) and then put away from the stove top.

Now the good part... In a plate, put a first slice of potatoe then on top of it put a foie gras scallop, then another potatoe slice, then another foie gras scallops, then finally the last potatoe slice. whip the Xeres "ice" remaining in the pan, emulsify it, then pour it on top of the "sandwitch". Put a little coarse salt grain on it if you like. Makes 4 serving.

Ok, I know the recipe isn't clear, but in the book, it wasn't, and at my english level, I could only make it worse. Sorry.
If you do understand it, and would like more recipe please do tell, I'll add more
(like the mousse a l'érable...MIIAAAMMM).

Nanbanjin

24th September 2004, 07:55 AM

taganahan

24th September 2004, 08:20 AM

just wanna know if this is really true. does sugar really boost your energy or should i say make you hyper?

everytime i hear people telling me or other people not to eat lots of sweet candies or some kind of food cause it makes you hyper. this led me to wonder if it really makes someone hyper, why am i not that hyper. then there's my brother who told me that his teacher told them that the sweet hyper idea is not true. his teacher told them that it just decreases your energy level. does anyone have a say on this? just wanna know what the truth is cause if it really makes you hyper/energetic, why not eat lots of candy rather than doing drugs before a competition.

~taganahan

litige

24th September 2004, 10:01 AM

~taganahan

depending on the point of view, it could be both. But I call it false energy :
A big steak, with pasta, with a salad full of nuts will give you enough energy to run for some pretty long time (forget about cramps). It won't make you hyper, but it will fuel you for a long time. Sugar on the other hand, is short-term fuel, it will boost you for a little while, but won't give you the proper nutrients for a sustained physical activity.
If one day someone does my Mousse a l'Erable recipe, and eats a bowl of it, will know what will get hyper after that (ex: face muscle aching for too much sugar absorption) but don't mind that, it's so damn good!

DanDan

24th September 2004, 12:30 PM

pocari sweat is supposed to taste like grapefruit...it tastes kinda nasty when it's warm or when you eat something sweet and then drink it

Goomba

26th September 2004, 09:43 AM

I think the best diet for kendo is a steady stream of steroids and methamphetamines. Mmmm... speed.

Kendo-Militia

28th September 2004, 12:02 AM

We sincerely apologise for that. We're also sorry about Avril Lavigne, Anne Murray, Paul Anka and Bryan Adams.
To make up for it, we offer you Neil Young, Joni Mitchell, Holly Cole, the Guess Who, Sarah McLachlan, Diana Krall, the Tragically Hip and Wide Mouth Mason.
But we thank you for Shania Twain.

samurai999

30th September 2004, 04:51 PM

Andoru

30th September 2004, 05:34 PM

Taganahan - to answer your question fully you'd have to google search the topic on insulin and its interaction with blood sugar. There is a brief rundown here (http://www.glycemicindex.com/aboutGI.htm).

Carbs come in different forms - glucose, fructose, sucrose etc. A glycemic index (http://www.glycemicindex.com/) (GI) ranks the carb in terms of how it affects blood sugar level. Low GI food is recommended for athletes because they sustain energy level better. High sugar stuff is okay for recovery, but definitely not before the shiai itself. Also, avoid eating high-fat stuff in the morning (bacon & eggs etc) because it will make you sluggish.

grasshopper_r2

5th October 2004, 08:43 PM

just a stupid question, and I know it's kind of after the fact, but, how the heck do you get the food thru the men-gane??? HAHA

Kendo-Militia

6th October 2004, 01:12 AM

just a stupid question, and I know it's kind of after the fact, but, how the heck do you get the food thru the men-gane??? HAHA
You smash it or put everything into a blender and drink it through a straw. Ask a stupid question, get a stupid answer.

Hai_hai

6th October 2004, 01:20 AM

You smash it or put everything into a blender and drink it through a straw. Ask a stupid question, get a stupid answer.
You shouldn't be eating anyway with your men on.

grasshopper_r2

6th October 2004, 10:44 AM

Is it true you should wait 30 minutes after eating to do Keiko?? or is that just for swimming? Cramps suck, I truly wish to avoid them...haha.

Hai_hai

6th October 2004, 11:10 AM

Is it true you should wait 30 minutes after eating to do Keiko?? or is that just for swimming? Cramps suck, I truly wish to avoid them...haha.
Keiko is physical exercise. You might get cramps. You might throw up, fart, or get diarrhea.
Something like iaido is different.. you can eat a ham sandwich, a dill pickle, some iced tea, whatever floats your boat... and then perform iaido.

grasshopper_r2

6th October 2004, 11:26 AM

Keiko is physical exercise. You might get cramps. You might throw up, fart, or get diarrhea.
Something like iaido is different.. you can eat a ham sandwich, a dill pickle, some iced tea, whatever floats your boat... and then perform iaido.
HAHAHA,HOHOHO,HAHAHA!!!

amatsuda

9th October 2004, 06:21 AM

what should we eat for breakfeast
and then during the day of a Tournament.
also the day(s) leading up to a Tournament.
what works for you shiai players?
is there a science to it?
There's no single formula....You just have to find what works for you...

What works for one may not work for another....For example, when we went to Scotland last year the eating habits of each player before the shiai was completely different...For instance, MooCow ate a hearty breakfast whereas Yoshimura barely had a plate of food and some juice..but both are so in tune with their body's dietary needs and each was very effective in their matches.....

What works for me is to carbo-load the night before with rice or pasta and then have a light Japanese breakfast the morning of the tournament. During the morning and up to my matches, I will continue loading up on simple and complex carbohydrates consisting of rice balls, rotini pasta boiled in sea salt, and plain bake potatoes....Unfortunately, I never get to eat the bentos at the tournament because I skip lunch.

Once the matches have started, I don't want to be digesting food while playing so I move to the "Weider In" http://shop.weider-jp.com/shop/goods/goods.asp?goods=71696 supplemented with Gatorade, Pocari, Propel or water with a pinch of sea salt.

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