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Keith Hong
2nd February 2005, 03:18 PM
Okay. Some people I know play golf and take joy in acquiring and maintaining new clubs and stuff. My father-in-law spends a set amount of time each week cleaning and otherwise taking care of his golfing gear.

In the same spirit, I have bought and maintained my bogu, shinai and keiko-gi(hakama included) with care. Recently, though, I have had a hanker on for a new set of bogu. No, not a ultra-expensive handmade set with hand-lacquered bamboo do.

I go on weekends to Dongdaemun and elsewhere to visit Korean bogu stores.
It's become a hobby of sorts. Some people go bird watching - I go bogu watching. It's gotten so I can rule out the really crappy stuff and get some sense of the material and craftsmanship involved.

That's why it was sad to learn that the bogu-ya that I bought my present bogu from, Sangmoo-sa, went out of business. Apparently the owner(who was an old man in 2001) retired and closed shop. The old man and his father had learned the craft in Japan before 1945 and had been in business for over 50 years.

Most of the other shops lack that sort of qualification and tradition. Also, I suspect that most of these newer stores, though claiming to carry 100% Korean wares, source their stuff from sweatshops in China. Which is not a problem, provided there are stringent quality assurance measures.

From what I've heard, some of the big Korean names in bogu that boast large 'circulation' of their products sell their stuff to so many customers not because of universal recognition of their quality but because of outstanding marketing(dojo - kendo store alliance involving kickback and stuff, I suspect).

The point is, of all the kendo stores I've visited, only one bothered to actually measure the front-to back circumference of my head and the level of my eyes(the distance from chin tip to pupil). All the other stores just measured the chin-to-crown circumfence of my head, brought out a men from storage they thought would suit me - a very pret-a-porter approach, I thought.

The owner of this one store(estabilshed in 1972) recommended a 2mm machine-stitched set with deerskin kote(palm and fist) upgrade as a good combination for me with regards to price versus performance. I examined the bogu - it seemed of very good quality indeed.
Detailed measurements(including monomi height) were taken. After measuring my head, it was decided that my men would have to be custom-made(I have a very large head and freakishly short legs) - at no extra charge. All that for 486 dollars(by current won-dollar exchange rates.

I am finally getting to the point.
When I mentioned that my current men feels very front-heavy, the owner said an IBB titanium mengane could be used to improve the balace. The extra cost involved would be 145 dollars.
The owner's rationale for placing an IBB titanium mengane on a mere machine-stitched bogu set was that a 2mm set is a perfectly good, actually very good, set of bogu that I could use for a long, long time. I was told that I shouldn't feel obliged to switch to a hand-made set so many years later as a matter of course.

So, what do you think? Go for the IBB or is it overkill?

Thank you for patiently reading this rambling post. I will be looking forward to your input.

Alex_McGrady
2nd February 2005, 03:40 PM
...(I have a very large head and freakishly short legs)...Sounds like a cat.....or one of those basset hound dogs....



So, what do you think? Go for the IBB or is it overkill?I have two bogu that I always use, one is the IBB and the other is standard. The standard feels pretty heavy after wearing the IBB. I think that you can get used to either one but in my opinion, the IBB is a better investment only if you plan to use the bogu over a long period of time.

Good luck and show us some photos when you get it!!!!

Alex

Neil Gendzwill
2nd February 2005, 11:30 PM
Sorry, never used IBB myself, but those who have are big fans. Personally I've never felt my men to feel so heavy or off-balance that I wanted to lay out extra cash for the IBB.

DCPan
3rd February 2005, 02:46 AM
Hi,

Sorry, didn't notice this thread until now.

I like my IBB-grille. Once you get moving, it really feels balanced.

The only caveat is, it is 100 grams heavier than even the standard titanium grille.

So, if you are standing around waiting for your turn in a tournament, it can feel kind of heavy...if there's a bit of wait. Once you are warmed up, you don't notice it...but it does feel kinda heavy...esp right before the first match.

My other men has an aluminum grille...I think I'd use that for shiai, and use the IBB grille for practice.

FWIW.

P.S. I now think 2mm is really an overkill as it would make the futon stiff. Pay attention to whether there's differential thickness of futon in the striking area instead.

Gary Severyn
3rd February 2005, 02:53 AM
I go on weekends to Dongdaemun and elsewhere to visit Korean bogu stores. It's become a hobby of sorts. Some people go bird watching - I go bogu watching. It's gotten so I can rule out the really crappy stuff and get some sense of the material and craftsmanship involved.
Keith Hong: Although I'm not able (qualified... haven't any experiece) to reply or comment on your question, I'm compelled to post a reply to your thread because I purchased my set of bogu... probably from the very shop at Dongdamun that you're referring to!

I received a business card from the shop owner and it contains the following info: "Woo Chang Sports", Telephone (02)2279-8116~7, E-mail: an-woochang@hanmailnet. The shop is located sort of kitty-corner, across the street from Dongdamun Stadium. By chance is that were you were thinking of purchasing your new set of bogu??? The shop owner did a very thorough job of measuring my head (at least... I thought so), although I am not as knowledgeable as you are, concerning how thoroughly they should go about doing such things.

Anyway, I was hoping you'd share with me if this is the same shop... or if you're entertaining purchasing from another kumdo shop.

BTW: I somewhat recently returned from a one-year Army tour at Yongsan Garrison, which is what found me in Korea :smiley: .

~Gary