Why do Americans hate the French?

[Utotin]

Why do americans hate the french?

[not-I]

Why do americans hate the french?
http://www.rotten.com/library/culture/american-francophobia/

big nations tend to draw fire, especially from other big nations.

[Paikea]

Why do americans hate the french?Didn't you get the memo? This week, we're hating the Syrians. Next week we'll be on the DPRK again (sorry, Will) and then on to Iran for the rest of the month.

[Infinity]

who cares?

[Rurouni Kenshin]

Dunno why americans hate the french but I hate the french cuz we have to study their friggin language in school for some reason........... the refuse to speak any other language (exceptions made) when you visit france, and hate you if you try to speak theirs and screw up..............

Also they have the same cockyness/arrogance as the americans so thats another reason to hate them and they claimed the name FRENCH fries.........

Americans might hate french cuz they made the canadians speak french and they live next door, and they gave the USA the statue of liberty but americans claim they gave it to the french ;) cocky as they both are.............

[KevinF]

Hehe,

I want this one.

I have found that individual French are wonderful people. Alas and alack, as a whole, a bunch of wankers.

Mind you, anyone here probably does kendo, so in my book, you're probably okay - so don't take it too personally.

The reasons are as follows:

1. French nuclear testing in the South Pacific is quite annoying. It's not needed, wasn't wanted by the local populations and was a generally unneeded flexing of irrevelant military might.
2. Despite centuries of French bellicosity (see point #1 + 100 Years War + Italian Wars + Napoleon + Franco Prussian War + First Indochina War, etc.), the French a quick to scold any other nations for any aggressive actions. This can be readily seen in:
3. The French disdain for the Germans. Of course, with the Second World War, one would think that the French would be weary of the Germans, but the French nazi sympatherizers far outnumbered the resistance movement, and despite being conquered by Germany, the French managed to squirm their way onto the U.N. Security Council and even occupy a piece of Germany after Potsdam! How a country can loose a war and manage to gain so much political might is incredible.
4. The French reaction to the U.S. invasion of Iraq. As French companies assisted the Iraqi regime in building nuclear reactors, and exploit Iraqi oil, the French Foreign Ministry spoke out against U.S. intervention...
5. The French come off as ungrateful turds. While the older generation of French can remember young Americans dying on the beaches in France and giving their lives to liberate French hamlets, towns and cities from fascism, the younger generation doesn't give a flying s**t. And thus the government
6. passes laws like those which forbid the use of foreign words on the air waves in France or forbid the use of religious headwear by Islamic women.
7. The French are snooty. This I have experienced myself. Actually, the French in Paris were very nice for a few minutes around sunrise, and then slinked back into a state of jaded snootyness. As the tourist cliches would have it, the French can be rude...
8. They are responsible for the beret.

As Mark Twain once wrote: "France has neither winter, nor summer, nor morals. France is miserable because it is filled with Frenchmen, and Frenchmen are miserable because they live in France."

well, reading over this, I do, in the interests of fairness, want to say something nice about France...

[KevinF]

sorry, can't come up with anything... :wink:

[tanueirin]

And yet when you visit Paris in springtime, it's full of Americans! :)

[Lucien]

It's not just the Americans. Everyone hates the French.

[Talen]

Disliking the French is a global pastime, closely followed by American bating...:rolleyes:

[Fonsz]

As someone who regularly visits France I feel compelled to shed some light in this matter and tell some tales for the other side.

-When you zoom around on your Motorbike in France cars make room for you on the road. (They also do this in Italy.) Since I ride a bike the French are ok people by me. Some Gendarmerie (Military Police) guys even raced with me on the Peage (toll road) they wanted to see how fast my bike could go.

-Every morning even on Sunday you can get fresh baked real bread, this is not the case in other countries.

-When pulled over for an alcohol test, you have to blow in a plastic bag. The air is dispensed through a "filter?" and in the light of your headlights is checked for discoloring. I'm no expert but this doesn't sound very accurate to me.

-The moment you try to speak your High School French and you stick to it you are ok. They even correct you when you're wrong. I'm not sure how many languages UK and or US people talk but it's generally English only.

-There is a saying in Dutch that when you do something halfhearted or sloppy it's called "Met de Franse slag" which roughly translates to do something like the French. French people are very loose and not very rigid in their daily life. Just watch the traffic in France and you will know what I mean. But the moment someone tries to abide all the traffic rules and claims his right of way it's then that things do go wrong. So give a little take a little, go with the flow.

-Live and let live is something the French have elevated to an art form.

These are but few things that I like about France from the top of my head. If I start thinking very hard I think that I want to move to France, but I'm afraid that I can't afford it.
And there are always Americans in Paris and you can tell them from miles apart. The only coffee they drink is at Mc Donalds and even then it has to be dilluted with hot water because it's too strong!
I rest my case.
Flame on.............

[KevinF]

I'm not sure how inaccurate roadside alcohol testing is a reason to actually like the French....

It is true that Americans in other countries are often embarassing. I understand why some sew Canadian flags to their bags. And yes, they can be spotted from miles away - but I can say the same of the tourists from almost any major country in any major tourist destination. It's easy to spot the mainland Chinese from their noname brand tennis shoes, the Japanese from their gadgets and brand name anythings, the Germans with their red hair (if a middle-aged women, it seems mandatory) red jeans or sandals with socks, etc.

French bread is good, and when I mentioned that Parisians were nice in the early morning hours, I was actually thinking about the friendly bakeries. The sudden transformation that occurs after the French actually eat the early morning bread and coffee is inexplicable.

Still, despite the good bread and wine, I still find the nation of France, on the whole, largely unecessary.

[Utotin]

Hypocrites, the French! They are so pissed and outraged about the "war on terror" but their counterterrorist activities in Algeria were probably worse. They bitch about guantanamo detainies, but look at how the Foriegn Legion tortured prisioners in Algeria durring the French war on terror. A war that they were fighting to KEEP a people oppressed.

[Kendo-Militia]

Fonsz

You are correct in how loose their llife style is. I swear I almost crapped in my pants driving around the Arc de Triumph during rush hour. I not going to say ALL Parisians are rude but the ones I came across were. The sad thing is I got better service pretending to be a Japanese Tourist.

But outside of Paris in small towns, I felt the older people (60 + ) were very happy to see me as an American.

I have 1 question. If so many colones and Perfumes are made in Paris, why do so many people in Paris have B.O.. Some were so bad I had to gag.

[Fonsz]

I'm not sure how inaccurate roadside alcohol testing is a reason to actually like the French....[QUOTE]
That is because you are an American and used to strict law enforcement(sp?) All the cops in the US seem paranoid to me but then again they should have their reasons for it.

[QUOTE]
It is true that Americans in other countries are often embarassing. I understand why some sew Canadian flags to their bags. And yes, they can be spotted from miles away - but I can say the same of the tourists from almost any major country in any major tourist destination. It's easy to spot the mainland Chinese from their noname brand tennis shoes, the Japanese from their gadgets and brand name anythings, the Germans with their red hair (if a middle-aged women, it seems mandatory) red jeans or sandals with socks, etc.
I'm afraid I have to agree with you there. Some times middle-aged German men are guilty of above mentioned crime.


French bread is good, and when I mentioned that Parisians were nice in the early morning hours, I was actually thinking about the friendly bakeries. The sudden transformation that occurs after the French actually eat the early morning bread and coffee is inexplicable.

When you speak a bit French they will stay friendly.

Still, despite the good bread and wine, I still find the nation of France, on the whole, largely unecessary.If you start liking the bread and the wine the rest will follow but give it some time.
PS
You were also right about the beret but if memory serves it was the Basques who invented them.
I think that it is now the turn of the French Forumites to let themselves be heard.
Allez les Blues!

[Fonsz]

Fonsz

You are correct in how loose their llife style is. I swear I almost crapped in my pants driving around the Arc de Triumph during rush hour. I not going to say ALL Parisians are rude but the ones I came across were. The sad thing is I got better service pretending to be a Japanese Tourist.

But outside of Paris in small towns, I felt the older people (60 + ) were very happy to see me as an American.

I have 1 question. If so many colones and Perfumes are made in Paris, why do so many people in Paris have B.O.. Some were so bad I had to gag.
There is a theory that showering twice or three times a day will make you too clean and thus a prey for germs and viruses. Maybe that's why. I'm not French you know but it seems that I'm the only one sticking up for them. Also some folk like to marinate themselves in after shave or some other stuff, this some times can also be offensive.
But Paris is not France as New York and California are not the US and London is not the UK. (Thank god Amsterdam is not Holland)
Allez les Blues, ou etes vous? Aidez moi! les Americains et les Biffs sont ici!!!!!..........

[KevinF]

Am I the only one who cheered in the movie theater when a rogue piece of asteriod hit downtown Paris in Armageddon?

[Paikea]

who cares?Exactly...hey Infinity did you get my PM to you a few days ago?

[PhilMcLaughlin]

There are times when the English have got on really well with the French

Agincourt,
Crecy,
Trafalgar spring to mind :-))

incidentally its the 200th anniversary of the battle of Trafalgar this year !

To be fair & before I get flamed (if they can tear themselves away from the red wine :-) I have actually met some nice French people

a bientot

[not-I]

Nice to see a balanced flame thread.

I can't speak French, but when i've been to (southern) France, i found that if i started my requests with "Bon jour, parlez vous Anglais?" people were more than willing to try helping me in English. I think this works anywhere -- it's a simple matter of respect. People respond better to you having taken a minute to learn a phrase in their language rather than just blabbering away in your own and expecting them to speak it.

Some things i like about the French: their laid-back life-style, their food and beverages, their ironic sense of humor that plays on the absurd, and their funny technical gimmicks (toilet booths that rise from the ground, self-cleaning motel-rooms, etc.).

Recently i read an article (in The Economist i think) that discussed French-American attitudes to each other. The interesting thing was that the French don't like American foreign policy (which is not internationally unusual at the moment), but tend to like Americans and American popular culture (with the exception of McDonald's, which they eat at and then vandalize), whereas Americans are often prejudiced against French everything.

Perhaps this is a clash of French philosophical differentiation (which infuriates Americans) and American black-and-white thinking (which angers the French).

[joekc6nlx]

I spent a few days in Monaco, travelled to Nice via train (SNCF is awesome!), spent a few days in Toulon. Almost everyone I met was nice to me.

While I can't condone some of the things the French government has done, (destroy the Rainbow Warrior, take credit for liberating Paris, aggressive colonization and exploitation, etc.), the people as individuals are quite nice. In my bastardized pidgin French, they understood who I was, and were still quite polite, even though I was 1) a citizen of the United States, and 2) a member of the United States Navy.

Ah well, since everyone hates us, we might as well hate back, right? Hatred gets you nowhere, but a good strike to the men will probably get you ippon!

[Kendo-Militia]

Ah well, since everyone hates us, we might as well hate back, right? Hatred gets you nowhere, but a good strike to the men will probably get you ippon![/QUOTE]


That's funny. People often call me a racist. My response is , " How can I be a racist if I hate ever race equally."

[Wout]

because hating something you know nothing about is easy: you just attribute some negative qualities to the people you want to hate and a nice collective hate is born. µ

Oh yeah, Anglo-saxon people complaining about the french only speaking french is well 1. rather hypocritical 2. untrue because the younger generations most of the time does speak English (if they want to).

[KevinF]

When you go to France, you should expect to hear French. This is obvious. Moreover, you should not expect to find English-speakers everywhere you turn. The same would apply to any country.

My earlier jabs were directed at the reactionary laws against the use of foreign words by French broadcasters and this vein of thinking. In addition, I do not speak French, but France is a member of the European Community, and as such, should take internationalization and European languages seriously. They don't. I recall one summer passing through a Paris train station and attempting to get directions and assistance from the "information" desk in the center of the station. The station employee, who refused to take her eyes from the newspaper she was reading, told me in almost accentless-English that she could not speak English, and couldn't help me. My inquires in Spanish and then German did little to change her mind. I feel this is not a unique situation, and everyone I have ever met who has ever stepped foot in France has similiar stories.

I have chosen to take this as a French mass-trait (meaning it applies to French people when they are in close proximity of other French people), but I reserve judgement for individual Frenchmen and women (assuming I can tolerate the odor).

[Fonsz]

I recall one summer passing through a Paris train station and attempting to get directions and assistance from the "information" desk in the center of the station. The station employee, who refused to take her eyes from the newspaper she was reading, told me in almost accentless-English that she could not speak English, and couldn't help me. My inquires in Spanish and then German did little to change her mind. I feel this is not a unique situation, and everyone I have ever met who has ever stepped foot in France has similiar stories.


If you did the same as joekc6nlx has done on his journey in the South of France you would have been helped. If you approach them in English even at information stands, you will have a hard time. Anyone who has been to France knows about this piece of folklore.


Am I the only one who cheered in the movie theater when a rogue piece of asteriod hit downtown Paris in Armageddon?
Yes, because we never cheered when entire American cities were destroyed in Independence Day.

[Fonsz]

There is a theory that showering twice or three times a day will make you too clean and thus a prey for germs and viruses. Maybe that's why.

My mistake I meant taking a shower instead of showering, this thread has gotten my English all mixed up.


Allez les Blues, ou etes vous? Aidez moi! les Americains et les Biffs sont ici!!!!!..........
Allez les Blues, ou etes vous? Aidez moi! les Americains et les Biffs sonts ici!!!!!..........

[Neil Gendzwill]

Ah well, it's like the old joke. What does an English tourist do when someone doesn't speak English? Speak slower and louder. What does an American tourist do? Same thing, but also wave money.

Generalizations. Gotta love 'em...

[PhilMcLaughlin]

Hey Neil, What do non french speaking Canadians do in Quebec then ??

[Neil Gendzwill]

We try our horrible high school french. The Quebecois takes about 3 seconds to try to decipher the wretched accent, and then switches to English. After the first couple of times, you just start each conversation with "en Anglais, sil vous plait" and it's OK.

Most of the people in the service industry (and indeed, in the major cities) speak English just fine. I think there is still a lot of rural Quebec where it's French only.

[Antonin]

That's all bullshit.
I'll tell you why Anglo-Saxons hates the French: you wished you were like us, but you're conditioned not to admit it. This results in a deep psychological conflict, and the only way to get out of it is to pretend to hate the French.
Think about it, especially if you're American: life in the US is a wretched thing, and it sucks not to be French. I have some first-hand information that this also applies to England and the English.
Why? Because we have one of the most beautiful country on Earth, and we enjoy life. We have a long and fruitful history, a developed civilisation, and our language doesn't sound like grunts and shouts like English does. We work 35 hours week, enjoy good food, a stimulating cultural life, good infrastructures, an entertaining political system, live free in a society where the weak are protected not trampled upon by large corporations. We have the best healthcare system in the world, and everybody can use it, unlike in the US where only the rich can get treated.
So, when in France, people seem to speak to you in French? Get on with the program: other people speak other languages. I performed a small experiment yesterday after reading this thread: I went to Euston Station in London and asked the ticket people there to tell me how to get back home, in French. Well, these rude bastards answered me in English! I was outraged! So I tried harder (means slower and louder, as Neil suggested), but we still got nowhere. Thankfully, I already knew how to get back home, so don't worry too much about me. Well, I mean, the UK is in the EU now, so it should be time that they get to grasp with European languages, wouldn't you think so?
As for French bellicism and army. Well, first, "war does not make one great". Second, the US should be grateful of it, since without it, it would still be some sort of a UK colony (instead of the reverse being true now)...
I was quite amused to read that we despite the Germans. this may be true of some people. I don't. Most people don't. We got over the war and the hatred, and we go along very well thank you. On the other hand, not a week passes by without some sort of a documentary on the TV here about WWII, and german-bashing seems to be a national sport.

I think that's enough provocation to get the ball running again.

Antonin

[Fonsz]

Antonin
I'll tell you why Anglo-Saxons hates the French: you wished you were like us, but you're conditioned not to admit it. This results in a deep psychological conflict, and the only way to get out of it is to pretend to hate the French.
Think about it, especially if you're American: life in the US is a wretched thing, and it sucks not to be French. I have some first-hand information that this also applies to England and the English.

Absolutely right! By the way what took you so long I was holding up the honor of France and I am Dutch. I bet you were on one of those long lunch breaks, that are so common in France.:)
But at least I am now not alone in the defense of this nasty French bashing, since we are all Europeans (well sort of) I have to say..........
Vive la France, Vive L'Europe libre.
Hup Holland!!

Antonin
Why? Because we have one of the most beautiful country on Earth, and we enjoy life. We have a long and fruitful history, a developed civilisation, and our language doesn't sound like grunts and shouts like English does. We work 35 hours week, enjoy good food, a stimulating cultural life, good infrastructures, an entertaining political system, live free in a society where the weak are protected not trampled upon by large corporations.
So there you have it folks the UK and the US can't top this. Holland can't top this as well but that's another matter.

Neil Gendzwill
Ah well, it's like the old joke. What does an English tourist do when someone doesn't speak English? Speak slower and louder. What does an American tourist do? Same thing, but also wave money.

This is sooooooo true, I have witnessed this many times in Spain where many Britons are living but can't communicate with the locals.

[KevinF]

In your ear. Okay, the ball is officially rolling again: Let's consider what you wrote.


"I'll tell you why Anglo-Saxons hates the French: you wished you were like us, but you're conditioned not to admit it. This results in a deep psychological conflict, and the only way to get out of it is to pretend to hate the French."

We are not pretending. Really. Actually its not hate. It's pity, mixed with annoyance, sprinkled with a good dose of scorn and disdain.

"Think about it, especially if you're American: life in the US is a wretched thing, and it sucks not to be French. I have some first-hand information that this also applies to England and the English."

Life in America doesn't suck. Life anywhere is what you make of it. America has an incredible cultural landscape - from the culturally diverse megalopolis of New York, to the hispanic highlights of Miami and California - from Chinatown to Little Havana, from the Amish villages of Pennsylvania to Litte Tokyo, from the cowboys in Texas to the quiet suburbs of Anytown, USA. As a nation, America has largely embraced cultural diversity and freely recognizes that this diversity is a unique strength. We even let some watered down frogs do their own thing in Louisana. America's natural beauty should not be underestimated as well: the beautiful streches of mountains in the east and west, the beaches along the east and west coast, the volcanoes of Hawaii and the glaciers of Alaska: America is one of the few nations that has all the climates within its borders and is spectacular for its natural beauty.

"Why? Because we have one of the most beautiful country on Earth, and we enjoy life."

Answered above.

"We have a long and fruitful history, a developed civilisation, and our language doesn't sound like grunts and shouts like English does."

The history is long, yes. This sounds like what China always says. It doesn't mean that things are all fine now. French history is brutal and savage, with moments of inspiration here and there. As for the language - English is quite diverse. I think most would agree that a Yorkshire accetn sounds a bit different from a north Georgia drawl, and a Kennedy from Boston is a bit different the Aussie slang. French requires an amount of flemm I do not have. You all sound like you have colds. Gesundheit!

"We work 35 hours week, enjoy good food, a stimulating cultural life, good infrastructures, an entertaining political system, live free in a society where the weak are protected not trampled upon by large corporations. We have the best healthcare system in the world, and everybody can use it, unlike in the US where only the rich can get treated."

You know what - I'll be fair. American health care is in trouble right now. You got me there. And French food can be good (I've already mentioned my affinity for French wine - what can I say?) But let's not listen to soundbites from the news. The poor and downtrodden can get healthcare - is it the best? No. Is it sufficient? In most cases, yes. America, as a nation, has always been willing to admit error and attempt to fix its problems. This is why she allows complete freedom of press, and can only be another strength.

"So, when in France, people seem to speak to you in French? Get on with the program: other people speak other languages. I performed a small experiment yesterday after reading this thread: I went to Euston Station in London and asked the ticket people there to tell me how to get back home, in French. Well, these rude bastards answered me in English! I was outraged! So I tried harder (means slower and louder, as Neil suggested), but we still got nowhere. Thankfully, I already knew how to get back home, so don't worry too much about me. Well, I mean, the UK is in the EU now, so it should be time that they get to grasp with European languages, wouldn't you think so?"

Frankly, I find it hard to believe that there are no French-speaking employees at a major train station in London. I remind you that I approached the information desk. Also, remeber from my story, the woman did answer me in English - it was quite good as I remember. She told me that she didn't speak English and wouldn't help me. Read the post again. I assume she did speak English, and was simply too engrossed in her newspaper to help - which was her job! Hmmm, no wonder the French has such a good lifestyle - they can't do their simple jobs...

"As for French bellicism and army. Well, first, "war does not make one great". "

Yes, it's true. Look what happened to France. Despite Napeolon, France was never great... could you explain why racne needs nuclear weapons? Is France afraid of attack from Spain? Why was it necessary to test in the South Pacific again???

"Second, the US should be grateful of it, since without it, it would still be some sort of a UK colony (instead of the reverse being true now)... "

No - France would be some sort of German colony. Look - don't get me wrong, Americans will always hold French assistance during the Revolutionary War as dear - thank you Layfayette! However, the reality is you would be speaking German if it wouldn't be for the thousands of American boys who gave their lives for the Blue, White and Red....

"I was quite amused to read that we despite the Germans. this may be true of some people. I don't. Most people don't. We got over the war and the hatred, and we go along very well thank you. On the other hand, not a week passes by without some sort of a documentary on the TV here about WWII, and german-bashing seems to be a national sport."

You contradicate yourself. Either France is over the war or it isn't. From your last statement, it looks like France isn't over the war... France doesn't miss a chance to wag its finger at Germany and call them nazis - despite being a peaceful nation for well over 50 years. The whole thing reminds me of China and Japan. At least Germany wants to get over its past, confronted it, Willi Brandt went down on one knee and cried in Poland... and yet, France is always there, lurking in the shadows....

I think that's enough provocation to get the ball running again.

[Iviro]

What I would like to know is what all the foreign country bashing is all about

[Neil Gendzwill]

However, the reality is you would be speaking German if it wouldn't be for the thousands of American boys who gave their lives for the Blue, White and Red....
Well, thanks for the assist but you'll pardon me if I also think of the many thousands of Canadians (and British, and Australian, and...) who gave their lives in a war that the Americans were 2 years late in joining.

[KevinF]

Neil,

You are absolutely right. As far as I'm concerned, France owes a big thank you to not only America, but the United Kingdom, Canada, Australia, Poland, etc.

The U.S. was late in joining - you're right about that too. However, that doesn't make the sacrifice or effort any less great. In the final analysis, tens of thousands of allied troops from the Americas and the U.K gave their lives so the French could still make wine and cheese without German labeling.

There is a saying in French: "Everyone hates the French, but even the French hate the French." The anymosity against Parisians amongst the French is well-known. Each region has disdain for the others. You see the same thing in Spain, which almost isn't a country, but a confederation.

I think the real issue isn't that American's hate the French, as I mentioned before, its really pity and disdain. I think the French are annoyed that the U.S. is the world power, and has replaced them on the scene, and this feeling comes out in their government policy and antagonism against foreigners within French borders. France, and for that matter, Europe, is the past. Steeped in history, there isn't much of a future there. The Americas are the future and have a future, and this ticks the French off.

You know, tonight, I will eat Brie and drink a Bordeaux and feel good about supporting the French wine and cheese industry. It's the least I can do. I would rent a French film, but they are too depressing. I'll pick up a Mike Myers flick instead. :wink:

[joekc6nlx]

Well, thanks for the assist but you'll pardon me if I also think of the many thousands of Canadians (and British, and Australian, and...) who gave their lives in a war that the Americans were 2 years late in joining.
I do not believe that the British, Australian, and Canadian troops had no significant contribution. El Alamaine, Greece, the Battle of Britain, Sword and Juno Beaches at Normandy, and on and on.

Neil, we were not late, we were providing assistance to Britain all along in the way of arms, armament, foodstuffs, oil, etc. The fact that no U.S. man-of-war was actively engaged in combat doesn't take away from the fact that they were escorting U.S. Merchant Marine freighters across the U-Boat infested North Atlantic. Hitler declared unrestricted U-Boat warfare before 1941.

Another thing that is kind of lost in the mists of history - Roosevelt didn't keep us out the war for two years, he was getting the country geared up for war. He knew damned well we were going to fight both Germany and Japan, but did not want to be the one who started the war.

The French only came in to assist the American colonies after we had defeated Burgoyne at Saratoga. They withheld their assistance, serving only to blockade the Chesapeake Bay so that Lord Howe had no choice but to surrender. Let's not forget the fabulous XYX Affair, either. France was the aggressor against most of Europe during the early part of the 19th century, dipping her fingers into many other governments' affairs, placing puppets on thrones to ensure "loyalty" to Bonaparte, conscripting armies from conquered countries to fight France's war.

Hmm, people are quick to point out what the U.S. has been doing in the past 60 years, such as VietNam, which, as I recall used to be called French IndoChina, with a civilization many hundreds of years older than the one in Paris. Large parts of Africa and islands in the South Pacific.

The Dutch aren't without stain, either. Dutch East Indies, although my feeling is that their government was a bit more benign.

Belgium - Cecil Rhodes - 'nuff said.

Italy - Benito Mussolini.

Russia - Josef Drugashvili, probably the greatest murderer in history, preying on his own people because of his own personal paranoia.

I don't condone the sort of "empire building" that went on during the 18th and 19th centuries, nor the vast empire that fed a corrupt government in Madrid at the expense of thousands of native peoples in the Americas and the Philippines.

Okay, so none of those countries is perfect. I don't claim that the U.S. is perfect, either. Each of us has good reasons for living where they do and for feeling the way that they do. Hell, I can't explain why so many U.S. citizens were in Paris after World War I, maybe they enjoyed the food, too.

I think most of these arguments could be boiled down to the fact that governments set policy for their respective countries. People in those countries either accept what their government has done, or they disagree. Fortunately, in this day and age, more countries are getting better at allowing their citizens to disagree openly without reprisal. I don't necessarily like what my country has done/is doing, but the fact that I am a U.S. citizen doesn't automatically make me a warmonger.

I certainly wouldn't want to "criticize" our "allies" in the Middle East, after all, we do get about 30 - 40% of our oil from them, but they are some of the most repressive societies in the world. If their people are satisfied with the way they live, let them live that way.

After serving 22 years in the armed forces, I can tell you that there were many places I did not want to be, but because I had sworn an oath, I was obligated to be there. I didn't always agree with what we were doing, but again, I had sworn an oath. It was my choice to be separated from my family, my choice to spend years in foreign countries (which for the most part, I enjoyed much), and my choice to act as the best ambassador for my country that I could.

The news media only broadcasts what high-level government officials do in other countries, they don't broadcast what goes on at the average citizen's level when it comes to contact with foreigners. I don't believe everything I see on TV, read in the newspapers, hear from other people, or especially what is on Internet fora.

You can interpret my meaning any way you choose. :cool:

[not-I]

France, and for that matter, Europe, is the past. Steeped in history, there isn't much of a future there. The Americas are the future and have a future, and this ticks the French off.
It's funny you say this, now that Bush has just been to Europe to snuggle up to the guys he once snubbed and beg for troops to help secure the American empire. Also, European economic prospects don't look half bad compared to American and the Euro is at an all-time high vs. the Dollar.

The British and French (and pratically every other once-great power) over-extended themselves and lost their empires and are still a bit bitter about that, true. But what makes you think the U.S. will be able to keep theirs? Rise and fall, rise and fall, all through history, and the next big power is always to the west.

My bet is that our great grandchildren will be ticked off at the Chinese.

[KevinF]

The E.U. has overextended itself - largely by absorbing countires that have little to contribute to the overall financial health of Europe. Check the unemployment figures in even the healthy countries - what's the unemployment rate in France, Germany, Spain and Italy?

The value of a currency isn't necessarly a good measure of economic health - neither is a budget deficit as the media would have you belive. The Chinese grew their economy by 11% last year and are keeping the value of the renemnbi low to flood foreign markets with plactic toys and widgets.

You're right though - China looms on the horizon as a menance. The U.S. Army War College has been playing out scenarios with China for years - they don't often come out well. I can see China invading Taiwan, and the U.S. getting dragged into a conflict it can't win - not in the undermanned and overstreched state we see it now. Japan and S. Korea will whine a lot, but will stay neutral, Russia might even sell nukes to Taiwan during the buildup, and a couple of carrier groups won't stop a wave of Chinese soliders from stomping on Taiwan with inexpensive combat boots.

But that's for another thread - the "Why I want my Grandkids to Learn Mandarin and not Kendo" thread. At least we know they will not need French. Besides, Mandarin sounds a lot nicer than French...

[Antonin]

Kevin,

“We are not pretending. Really. Actually its not hate. It's pity, mixed with annoyance, sprinkled with a good dose of scorn and disdain.”

Oh Ok, so it’s just plain old fashion xenophobia then. It’s all right then old fella! To check if it is, here is an easy tip: replace whatever ethnicity you are dissing off with “jew” or “black”. If it still looks xenophobic, it was in the first place. No hard feelings.

Shall we agree that both countries are beautiful but unfortunately inhabited by brats? This way we can be friends!

“The history is long, yes. This sounds like what China always says. It doesn't mean that things are all fine now.”

True, but better than no history and things going badly like in the US.

“French history is brutal and savage, with moments of inspiration here and there.”

Well, true there have been some rather brutal moments. But let’s see… Was the US not built on the betrayal, slaughter, war and use of disease to kill the people who lived there before? Does it make more heroic and less brutal because it was done by “americans?”. To say you hate France because it’s got a brutal history is like saying you don’t like cheese because it’s fermented milk: history has wars, everybody’s had them, France is not more gory than any other nation. Even if it were, surely a citizen of a warmongering country like the US would approve, no?

“ You all sound like you have colds. Gesundheit!”
That’s German. ‘nough said.



“You know what - I'll be fair.”
I wished ;-)


“This is why she allows complete freedom of press, and can only be another strength.”
So do we. Don’t assume. We even have a democracy! And elections. And you know what, we even have cars and electricity! Running water! TV! Corrupt politicians! You see, France is also a modern country with all the trimmings.


“Frankly, I find it hard to believe that there are no French-speaking employees at a major train station in London. I remind you that I approached the information desk.”
Well, they didn’t and frankly, I didn’t expect them to. I was not moaning about this. You may have noticed that my English is Ok for a Frog. I just wanted to show the ethnocentricity of you comments.

“Also, remember from my story, the woman did answer me in English”
Granted, that was rude. You know, I had a bad apple the other day. It happens, it sort of made me sick, but I still have apples, even if one was rather disgusting. Look, I even still like some Americans, even if the government is full of fascists!

“Yes, it's true. Look what happened to France. Despite Napeolon, France was never great... “
Lol


“could you explain why racne needs nuclear weapons? Is France afraid of attack from Spain?”
Could you explain why the US needs nuclear weapons? Is the US afraid of attack by Canada?

“Why was it necessary to test in the South Pacific again???”
Ok, you got me there, I’ll be fair as well… I never voted for the moron, OK?

“No - France would be some sort of German colony. Look - don't get me wrong, Americans will always hold French assistance during the Revolutionary War as dear - thank you Layfayette! However, the reality is you would be speaking German if it wouldn't be for the thousands of American boys who gave their lives for the Blue, White and Red....”
The role of other countries has been pointed by my commonwealth friends. Look; don’t get me wrong on this. I am very grateful of the sacrifice of the troops who fought to liberate Europe, and so are all the French. And the Germans, BTW. I’m sure our Dutch friends will agree with me. We are grateful. This does not mean that we have to obey the US, that we have to become like you, or that we should not criticise. Indeed, it is the role of a good friend to tell when someone is making BIG mistakes, and this is what France did with the US. Afghanistan? Good idea! We have troops there, helping and working on the ground and fighting alongside the US in this forgotten war. Iraq? Bad idea my friend, illegal, not sure of victory, will crate problems for your image, plus you’re lying about the reasons for going to war anyway. So we won’t help.
Granted, there were ultimate reasons. But so had the US. No-one is innocent. That’s not a reason for hating the French because they will not share in your fantasy.


“You contradicate yourself. Either France is over the war or it isn't. From your last statement, it looks like France isn't over the war...”
I should have made myself clear: I was talking about British TV, as I live in London. So no I did not contradict myself, I was merely trying to provoke some brits.

“France doesn't miss a chance to wag its finger at Germany and call them nazis “
That is not true at all and I really wonder where you get this from. I would be very surprised if any elected official has made any comment about this or if any reputable has run a headline along this line in the last 40 years. Please enlighten me.


Best regards to all,
Antonin

[KevinF]

Antonin,

It's not xenophobia - if anything, I am guilty of xenophilia. As mentioned previously, part of my annoyance is the French xenophobic laws and policys.

"Shall we agree that both countries are beautiful but unfortunately inhabited by brats? This way we can be friends!"

- Agreed. We can be friends. As mentioned previously, indivudal French have my ear and can have my respect too. Any Frenchman that does kendo is, by the way, head and shoulders above any American already.

"Well, true there have been some rather brutal moments. But let’s see… Was the US not built on the betrayal, slaughter, war and use of disease to kill the people who lived there before? Does it make more heroic and less brutal because it was done by “americans?”. To say you hate France because it’s got a brutal history is like saying you don’t like cheese because it’s fermented milk: history has wars, everybody’s had them, France is not more gory than any other nation. Even if it were, surely a citizen of a warmongering country like the US would approve, no?"

- Cheese is made from fermented milk? You're missing my point. I would not deny that the U.S. is a warmongering nation. History can't deny it. Most Americans would get upset at this, but history would prove them wrong - a simple tally of U.S. military intervention in foregin nations would be sufficient - even without looking into the reasons and ignoring major conflicts most would agree were benefical (such as the world wars, etc.).

“ You all sound like you have colds. Gesundheit!”
That’s German. ‘nough said.

- I was being sarcastic. Ehrlich gesagt, ich wollte dich ein bisschen damit verarschen. Es war doch ein Witz. And it continues.

"So do we. Don’t assume. We even have a democracy! And elections. And you know what, we even have cars and electricity! Running water! TV! Corrupt politicians! You see, France is also a modern country with all the trimmings. "

- If anything, a careful reading of my post would find that I am not a mindless, patriotic "Go! America, go!" type of guy - and yes, French political corruption is famous. Glad you got on the electricty thing too. It's good. Thank Ben Frankin for that one - who by the way, was immensily popular as the U.S. Ambassador to France. They loved him - even thought of him as sexy, despite his age, and coon-hats were the rage in Paris during his stay there.

"Well, they didn’t and frankly, I didn’t expect them to. I was not moaning about this. You may have noticed that my English is Ok for a Frog. I just wanted to show the ethnocentricity of you comments."

- The comments were quite intentionally ethnocentric - come on, it's a "why do Americans hate the French" thread - posts here, should, be definition, be ethnocentric. And yes, your English is excellent for a Frog. I have a great amount of respect for that. Obviously, you do kendo as well, so I had respect for you even before you wrote anything at all, regardless of country of origin. After all is said and done, we do have that, no?

"Granted, that was rude. You know, I had a bad apple the other day. It happens, it sort of made me sick, but I still have apples, even if one was rather disgusting. Look, I even still like some Americans, even if the government is full of fascists!"

- The government isn't full of fascists. I know Bush isn't popular worldwide, but do you all really believe that? Yeah, I assume it was a bad apple. Can't believe they would stick the bad apple on display right there in the store window though. Last year, my gf wanted to go to Europe for the first time. I agreed and wanted to go to Germany. She insisted on either Paris or Rome. We went to Rome. I wouldn't mind visiting France, but I really hope I can avoid steeping foot in Paris for the rest of my life. With the museum and my gf's desire to go there, I know I will probably be there again in the next few years, but I was kind of hoping I could see the nice side of France I really want to believe in....

Could you explain why the US needs nuclear weapons? Is the US afraid of attack by Canada?
- Nope. China. It was mentioned above. And Russia makes me nervous too. Talk about fascists in the government, take a good long look at Putin, comrade. Also, Iran isn't looking like they want to play nice. At least France recognizes the threat there - perhaps because Iranaian nukes could reach Paris and not New York...

“Why was it necessary to test in the South Pacific again???”
Ok, you got me there, I’ll be fair as well… I never voted for the moron, OK?

- cool. Hikiwake!


"The role of other countries has been pointed by my commonwealth friends. Look; don’t get me wrong on this. I am very grateful of the sacrifice of the troops who fought to liberate Europe, and so are all the French. And the Germans, BTW. I’m sure our Dutch friends will agree with me. We are grateful. This does not mean that we have to obey the US, that we have to become like you, or that we should not criticise. Indeed, it is the role of a good friend to tell when someone is making BIG mistakes, and this is what France did with the US. Afghanistan? Good idea! We have troops there, helping and working on the ground and fighting alongside the US in this forgotten war. Iraq? Bad idea my friend, illegal, not sure of victory, will crate problems for your image, plus you’re lying about the reasons for going to war anyway. So we won’t help. "

- I was never miffed by French lack of interest in the Iraqi campaign. Really, I don't care. The original post never menitoned it. France could have abstained. The Foreign Minister was a bit too much though. But don't be hypocites about warmongering, ok? If we are both warmongering nations, lets just call this one a hikiwake as well. Being grateful does not mean that a nation has to suck-up to the U.S., nor does it mean it should be in the U.S.' back pocket on all matters - I got that. Being grateful means that we should have a long view of history and recognize contribution where it is deserved. You did, so I'm fine about it. Maybe the U.S. will give France a nice big statue on the anniversary of the liberation of Paris?

"Granted, there were ultimate reasons. But so had the US. No-one is innocent. That’s not a reason for hating the French because they will not share in your fantasy."

- You can share in the fantasy. You've got Eurodisney, right? (This is also a joke - I know how much Disney is loved in France...) Look, the jury is out on Iraq - it will be for a few decades. Let's see what happens in the next 10-20 years and see if a peaceful society can be established.

Taking a British media outlook on how the French perceive the Germans regarding world war II totally confuses everything. As for the French crying foul when Germany does anything, I will look into it - I don't want to misspeak or make statements I can't back up, but I am also at work, and can't blow the time in the research here on this one just yet. I recall a number of incidents when I lived in Europe a few years back, and I won't misrepresent them now by giving details (yet). Let's table that one particular argument for the time being.

Oh, and finally, did you ever explain the beret thing? :wink:

P.S. - Oh my god, reading this now, I have really softened my tone. I must be losing it.

[Kendo-Militia]

WHAT Kevin your getting SOFT? SOon you'll admit to being a Cat too?

[Stimpson J. Cat]

I think the reason most of the people in the world hate the French is that they go around expecting everybody to treat them like an important world power, and they're not. They're at best a second-rate power in any sense you choose, but France as a country thinks it's the king of the hill.

[xavier24]

what's up with french people ? :wink:

[xavier24]

sry for the spam ,but it seems we cannot edit post after five minutes

I do agree with some post, not completly with some others, but what I would like to say. Be critics, and don't believe everything you watch on your TV screen.
Visit the country, see with you own eyes, build your own opinion.
I have visited several times US, and it's pretty different (in better) from what I can see on my TV set ;)

oh by the way, working 35hours a week was not the best idea we got. We actually discuss to remove the law ;)

[Fonsz]

Xavier, Xavier, why did you have to mention that the 35 hour week isn't working out? Here in Holland we have either a 38 hour week or 36 hour week. But we had them cornered there. Especially the Americans who work 50 hours a week and only get paid for 32 hours. There was no defense to these European/French labor conditions. You now gave away your trump card. I wonder what they will come up with now? Better brace yourself for the impact.

[xavier24]

No offence Fonsz :)

About the french law 35h/week.
Working 35hours a week is awesome of course, for practicing Kendo, spending time with family (I have two little devils at home ;)), or doing what you like to do.
But in the world of today of high concurrency with the USA, Eastern Europe countries, Japan, China, India and even the others countries of UN, a such law, is an economical suicide.
I don't say, we have to work 50hours and paid 35, but I say, we have to find a good balance to stay an attractive country for foreign compagnies.

[KevinF]

"Going to war without France is like going deer hunting without your accordion." - General Schwartzkopf :smoker:

[bullet08]

only been to france twice.. i loved it both time. i didn't speak a word of french, but everyone were friendly. no one was rude as far as i could tell, and it was in paris both times. only thing i could say bad about french is.. their beer. i can't drink that horse piss.

[Fonsz]

No offence Fonsz :)

About the french law 35h/week.
Working 35hours a week is awesome of course, for practicing Kendo, spending time with family (I have two little devils at home ;)), or doing what you like to do.
But in the world of today of high concurrency with the USA, Eastern Europe countries, Japan, China, India and even the others countries of UN, a such law, is an economical suicide.
I don't say, we have to work 50hours and paid 35, but I say, we have to find a good balance to stay an attractive country for foreign compagnies.Non taken Xavier but we will always lose the battle with the countries that you mentioned. So we should have efficiënt, highly productive, skilled and most of all happy workers. Working less hours is a good start. I have 1 little devil at home and I wouldn't like to miss the time that I spend at home with my family and of course Kendo. But this incentive is one of those things that make people abroad wish they were in Europe. I like to keep it that way. BTW I'm going to the Paris Tai Kai, are you gonna be there?
Meuilleur Salutaions de Hollande. (or something like that)

[xavier24]

BTW I'm going to the Paris Tai Kai, are you gonna be there?
I won't cause, I'm practicing Kendo only since October 2004 but my Sensei "Jacques Muller" with some of the others students will be there.
Have fun :)

[drizzt]

i wanna stay out of this one.......

starting this fight is kind of like lighting farts like we discussed in the other thread.....not smart.

funny joke(and please dont take offense at this.....it was told to me by a frechman)
why are the roads into paris lined with trees?...........so the germans can march in the shade

[J. Schitt]

Hehe,

I want this one.

I have found that individual French are wonderful people. Alas and alack, as a whole, a bunch of wankers.

Mind you, anyone here probably does kendo, so in my book, you're probably okay - so don't take it too personally.

The reasons are as follows:

1. French nuclear testing in the South Pacific is quite annoying. It's not needed,... French can be rude...
8. They are responsible for the beret.

As ...

Their government also granted approval for their agents to bomb a ship in New Zealand! NZ sent troops to Europe to get the French out of the shit in WW2, so merci very much froggys!

See - http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/july/10/newsid_2499000/2499283.stm and http://www.kauricoast.co.nz/Feature.cfm?WPID=70

[J. Schitt]

oh yeah, the only war that they've ever won was the civil war (known as the French Revolution), but then the opponets were also French.

Losers.

[h2o]

Their government also granted approval for their agents to bomb a ship in New Zealand! NZ sent troops to Europe to get the French out of the shit in WW2, so merci very much froggys!


Oh yes, we all forgot that USA have never bombed anyone :P

It's always best to clean your own backyard before complaining on the pile of crap on your neighbours front porch...


/me hopes the war on terror soon hits "Derka-derka-stan" :wink:

[Fonsz]

Mr. Schitt,
Before you make statements that are not true please check your history books and look under Napoleon. I think that he won more than a few wars. Whatever people may think of him, Europe as we know it, is a result of his rule. And the wars the USA is fighting right now can't in all honesty be placed in the winning section.
Mr H2o,
What or where is "Derka-derka-stan"?

[h2o]

Mr H2o,
What or where is "Derka-derka-stan"?
If you'd seen this http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0372588/ you would know :)

[geeunit000]

they dont its the other way around... and plus i am french

[KevinF]

Fonz,

"...And the wars the USA is fighting right now can't in all honesty be placed in the winning section."

what? pardon? why not? Not including military intervention in Haiti, Kosovo etc., the First and Second Gulf wars were wildly successful, by *any* measure of the success of war. Invading a nation, successfully dismantling a government and replacing the government with a new one = successful war. Even Napoleon would agree.

By the way, this kind of argument is silly. In military history, the First Gulf War will undoubtedly go down as one of the most incredibly successful campagins ever. I don't thik an analysis of the "winningness" of the American vs. French military is solid, logical reasoning for determining anything..... but it is fun....

By the way, your reply should be something like, "it's typical of Americans to be prideful of the effectiveness of their destructive capability," and thereby, you will ceed the point in a poof of French huffiness.

[drizzt]

Mr H2o,
What or where is "Derka-derka-stan"?

its a joke from a movie called team america world police. goofy movie, and i beleive he was being a total smart ass(goofy but funny i might add......rips on EVERYBODY)

[Fonsz]

Fonz,

"...And the wars the USA is fighting right now can't in all honesty be placed in the winning section."

what? pardon? why not? Not including military intervention in Haiti, Kosovo etc., the First and Second Gulf wars were wildly successful, by *any* measure of the success of war. Invading a nation, successfully dismantling a government and replacing the government with a new one = successful war. Even Napoleon would agree.

By the way, this kind of argument is silly. In military history, the First Gulf War will undoubtedly go down as one of the most incredibly successful campagins ever. I don't thik an analysis of the "winningness" of the American vs. French military is solid, logical reasoning for determining anything..... but it is fun....

By the way, your reply should be something like, "it's typical of Americans to be prideful of the effectiveness of their destructive capability," and thereby, you will ceed the point in a poof of French huffiness.
I see your point, I agree that L'empereur would put it as a Military Victory, but Napoleon also ruled wise and rather benign(?sp). And thank you for formulating what my answer would be, because it is what I had in mind. But obviously could not put in writing. Thanks

[h2o]

its a joke from a movie called team america world police. goofy movie, and i beleive he was being a total smart ass
actually, I have already replied with a link to imdb, but thank you for making it simpler for the lazy people ;)

Anyway, the movie should be seen by everyone as it is very fun.

To be back on track... In my opinion, hating a country so much that you censor out their name in different kinds of food is so unrational it makes me laugh. Especially when the only thing the offending country in question did was to say: "No guys, we prefer talking to them before blowing them to tiny pieces. We'll go there and bomb them together when you have proof of WMDs". But i forgot, "liberating" the people of Iraq was the motive of going to war in the first place, right? ;)

[geeunit000]

becase the americans are to sexy for them.

[litige]

Dunno why americans hate the french but I hate the french cuz we have to study their friggin language in school for some reason........... the refuse to speak any other language (exceptions made) when you visit france, and hate you if you try to speak theirs and screw up..............

Americans might hate french cuz they made the canadians speak french and they live next door, and they gave the USA the statue of liberty but americans claim they gave it to the french ;) cocky as they both are.............

не правда.

First, I'm going to teach french in your country, so you better not be hating it.
They are as interested in any language than anybody else. By the way, how many Americans speak more than one language?

They didn't made Canadians speak french, only about 7 millions Canadians speaks french, and they were the first canadians.

[litige]

Hehe,



5. The French come off as ungrateful turds. While the older generation of French can remember young Americans dying on the beaches in France and giving their lives to liberate French hamlets, towns and cities from fascism, the younger generation doesn't give a flying s**t. And thus the government
6. passes laws like those which forbid the use of foreign words on the air waves in France or forbid the use of religious headwear by Islamic women.


5. What you government is doing in many places in the world is like what did Nazi Germany to France, so I don't see why they would like you better. Thank god you were not the only country to help them in the second world war. PLUS you would have never went there if germany didn't attack your ships with their sub-marines, you didn't want to go at first and didn't want it even if you were there.
6.They passes laws like this in Russia to, and in many places in the world, you know why, Language and Culture preservation.

Their country neutral religious, if they to pass laws banning religious stuff for the sake someone, it's their right. If they don't like, they can just go back to their original country and stand up, and help their brothers and sister instead of fleeing like cowards.
On a side note, did you know that women abuse governed by Islamic religious laws that people still believe in, happens behind the door of houses in my country and yours. I don't want this kind of people in my country, so I'll make laws according to it.

[Sepiraph]

You are absolutely right. As far as I'm concerned, France owes a big thank you to not only America, but the United Kingdom, Canada, Australia, Poland, etc.

A bit off-topic, but Russia is mainly responsible for the destruction of the German army. It's a misconception to think that U.S. and the allies were mainly responsible for the defeat of Germany; when in fact the tides already turned at Stalingrad with the surrender and destruction of the German 8th Army.

[h2o]

A bit off-topic, but Russia is mainly responsible for the destruction of the German army. It's a misconception to think that U.S. and the allies were mainly responsible for the defeat of Germany; when in fact the tides already turned at Stalingrad with the surrender and destruction of the German 8th Army.
Agreed. The russian army was also the army with highest casualties in the entire World War if I am not mistaken.

And why should France thank Poland for being liberated? Poland was the first nation to actually be attacked and occupied, and I don't think they were part of the liberation of France. Historians or Poles (?) may correct me and stomp my feet if I am mistaken.

[KevinF]

Litige,

I'm sorry, nothing you wrote made any sense. If anyone is xenophopic, it would seem to be you: "If they don't like, they can just go back to their original country and stand up, and help their brothers and sister instead of fleeing like cowards."

Comparing the collective actions of "my" government to Nazi Germany is further silly. Please give me an example. Paint me a picture here, help me out. Your view of WWII history is flawed as well. Please read a history book.

Actually, it sounds like what you condone, propose and endorse are actions more closely alligned with Nazi tactics and are certainly a throwback to the morals of generations long gone.

[Lucien]

It's official!

Everybody hates the French (http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,,1486117,00.html);)

[m_french]

Why do americans hate the french?
I am "the French" and I have experienced no hatred whatsoever.

[m_french]

sorry I replied to this post with out reading it first.....this was really funny. Some of the views here are so historically inacurate it cracks me up to think you actually believe the crap you are shoveling.

Especially loved the one about the "americans" using germ warfare on the natives....
True the native americans did die in great numbers from "european diseases" that they had not been exposed to, but this was not solely due to the introduction of "Americans". If my history serves me correctly the same consequences were achieved by Columbus and the Spanish Missionaries on seperate occasions.

It also kills me that people of other countries can Look at the United States which is so geographically diverse, remember it is as large as western europe in size, and roll all the inhabitants into the same bag. To say that someone in Los Angeles is the same as one in NY or a Texan like a Chicagoan is imbecilic.

There are Many US Citizens who speak several Languages, you have met any sorry... remember there are over 217 million people in this country and alot of them are from somwhere else or have recent family history that is.

I lived in France and do not hate the French......sure they have thier share of A$$ Holes just like The US and every other country.

And as for the coffee....France has good food, great wines but for the most part there coffee sucks (just like the red states) Now Italy on the other hand...there is some good Java.

ciao

[samurai999]

I am "the French" and I have experienced no hatred whatsoever.

French, you get one post about yourself on KW and you get delusions of grandeur. hahahhahahaha j/k

Tim

[Fab]

Personnaly I don't think at all that French people hate Americans.

I should know I am French.

I have been living 8 years know in London United Kingdom and before that in Germany and never have I heard dislike about Americans people by the French people that I met.

Maybe some of you guys got unlucky? You do find stupid people all over the world and there is people in all countries which never been abroad and therefore it is hard to relate to them especially if they never learn a foreign language. Some of the old guys may be hard to speak with because they don't speak English but I am sure they will make effort.

But, do come to Bordeaux south of France and I will show you what is the Real French Hospitality. Good time all the way.

Finally, the question about the current American-French tension, it has nothing to do with the people at all. It is 2 governments which did disagree on 1 problem (going to Irak). It is allowed to disagree, you can still leave with each other gracefully.
Yes maybe the French people disagree with governements going there to kill lots of innocent people, not to save them but to gave petrol asset, but once again this feeling does not reflect on the people living in the country.

I will just finish by saying I often disagree with my government decisions but what can I do about it? Nothing at all. I can only stay myself, open minded and happy.

I don't hate american at all.

Take Care Guys.

Fab

[drizzt]

hey litige i have a question man, how did you get cyrilic characters A. typed in, B. to show up on this forum ?

sorry i know im not contributing here, but im curious(havent been on in a while and just saw his posts with those

[KhawMengLee]

The claim you make that the French are ungrateful for the help in WWII is idiotic. Just because France may owe you gratitude does not mean they must bow to your every whim and want. Its just sour grapes because France did not blindly support the war on Iraq...which might I remind you has turned up no WMD's and is still a warzone 2 years after the 'liberation'.

I am grateful for Britain and Australia's help during the communist insurgency in Malaysia during the 50's. It doesn't mean I will blindly support them if they asked me to invade indonesia with no cause or reason. Just because you helped me, does not give you the right to act like a bully and expect me to support you.

Look...whatever you want to say about the French, I think its even more scary that members of your government can, in spite, be petty enough to change 'french' fries to 'freedom' fries....if these spoiled brats decide the course of your future I would be very very scared.

[samurai999]

So... now that the Eu constitution is sorta dead in the water at the moment, do europeans hate the French too? :ermm:

Tim

[h2o]

So... now that the Eu constitution is sorta dead in the water at the moment, do europeans hate the French too? :ermm:
Why would we... Sweden would probably vote the same if the government let us. Many other countries too it seems.

[nikolaj]

The claim you make that the French are ungrateful for the help in WWII is idiotic. Just because France may owe you gratitude does not mean they must bow to your every whim and want.

not only that, but most french AND american people weren't even alive when WWII happened.
Yeah, I'd blame the war in Irac as well mostly, and then there's allways the clichés there are about every country.
French are cocky, dutch people are loud, all Italians live with their mom till they're at least 40...

I'm Belgian and I go to france at least once a year, I like the french...most of the time at least.

[samurai999]

Why would we... Sweden would probably vote the same if the government let us. Many other countries too it seems.

Whats wierd is that the drafter of the constitution is seemingly French and a co-drafter is Belgian... So it sorta looks wierd looking from the outside that the French would nix their own countryman's proposal....

edit-at least to a new york times person, it seems as if Europe is "shocked" or stunned...
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2005/05/31/MNG67D123I1.DTL

Tim

[h2o]

Whats wierd is that the drafter of the constitution is seemingly French and a co-drafter is Belgian... So it sorta looks wierd looking from the outside that the French would nix their own countryman's proposal....
Just because he is french doesn't mean he speaks for all people in France. Just like the party I voted for not always do exactly as I want to. Too bad I am a bit too ignorant about this new constitution so I can't really say anything about it. :(

[samurai999]

Funny thing is, I heard the vote was almost split with the majority barely going to nay. So does that means France is totally split then? and.. Does that therefore mean that he represented almost half? :confused2

Tim

[h2o]

Funny thing is, I heard the vote was almost split with the majority barely going to nay. So does that means France is totally split then? and.. Does that therefore mean that he represented almost half? :confused2
I'm not french so I can't speak for them. But if a vote is cast with around 50% to each side, then I guess the country is split on that particular question. Same here really, since we joined the EU with about 47% to 45%. Our government is also composed of members of the largest party which got only 39.8% of the votes in the last election. They were on the other hand part of a coalition of three parties which together got 52.7% of the votes.

[projectnavi]

Didn't you get the memo? This week, we're hating the Syrians. Next week we'll be on the DPRK again (sorry, Will) and then on to Iran for the rest of the month.


haha, thanks for the humor on such a topic...sometimes, you do wonder if the americans see through all of this.

always reassuring to see that kind of humor.

[Washington]

The French should get even with the U.S. for Iraq and "liberate" California from it's oppressive celebrity regime and install an intern government.

[Washington]

Their government also granted approval for their agents to bomb a ship in New Zealand! NZ sent troops to Europe to get the French out of the shit in WW2, so merci very much froggys!

That is rather unfair. British troops fired upon French allied troops at Dunkirk when they tried to retreat with the BEF and were denied FIRST yaknow.

After WW I the U.S. Congress refusal to ratify the Treaty of Versailles, to enact a foreign policy of isolationism, and to consider European affairs none of our business, is a part of starting WW II in the first place.

WW II is often referred to as the unfinished business of WW I. And the U.S. holds as much responsibily as any of the allies for what did or didn't happen.

You forget.. we were still shipping arms and war material to Germany after war started with the French and British.

[Fonsz]

The French should get even with the U.S. for Iraq and "liberate" California from it's oppressive celebrity regime and install an intern government.
This has been the best post in this thread ever. And so accurate. I think the world will be safe and sane if this celebrity regime is toppled. No more Michael Jackson lunacy, no more "Hollywood" Mc dojo's. And dare I say the end of Zatoichi Ryu. Aaaah if only.

[DarQik]

Since the thread's not dead I'll throw my $.02 in.

I think a lot of the recent things are mostly political and media related. Some possibly small groups in France have not helped--such as the story about the WW2 memorial being vandalized. Those are the kind of recent things that stand out to me, but I've been trying not to watch the news lately...

To digress a bit, I used to wonder why people hated Americans. Then I got to go to Europe with a group (most of our time in Germany). I was embarassed to associated with them or most of the American tourists I met there.

They expected everyone, from the hotel staff, shopkeepers, or locals to cater to them like parents to small children. They didn't dare consider learning a bit of the local language and expected everyone to know theirs. They complained about signs not being in English on the fringes of the tourist district. They treated the place terribly and even stole the room keys at one of the hostels.

Most of the anti-French sentiments I've run into (prior to this recent political mess) have come from Americans who base it on the way they were treated as tourists or from second and third hand knowledge of someone who felt they were mistreated. I suppose there's a few xenophobes too, but mostly it's been cultural dislike amplified.

At work, we've dealt with the French language issues. Having to have products with all French language badging and documentation. It seemed to be a bit of a cultural concern there that they might lose part of their heritage if they lost their language. While that's a painful thing to deal with, I think long term it can be a very good thing. I appreciate keeping traditions and preserving culture while still moving forward. (We do that in kendo too don't we?)

Personally, I'm still hoping to visit Paris with the wife. I'd like to stay in a small out of the way French hotel and visit the less tourist frequented areas, but I also trust my meager French skills will be enough to get by. I don't know anyone who had a terrible time there away from a large group when they triedto behave decently.

[nikolaj]

myeah, that's the best thing to do as a tourist in any country.
And in Paris, not behaving like an obvious tourist can be cheaper too. (no seriously, you name anything crappy you can think off, they'll trie to sell it to you at the Montmartre...)

[litige]

Litige,

I'm sorry, nothing you wrote made any sense. If anyone is xenophopic, it would seem to be you: "If they don't like, they can just go back to their original country and stand up, and help their brothers and sister instead of fleeing like cowards."

Comparing the collective actions of "my" government to Nazi Germany is further silly. Please give me an example. Paint me a picture here, help me out


euh...what about invading. Is this enough for you?

[litige]

hey litige i have a question man, how did you get cyrilic characters A. typed in, B. to show up on this forum ?

sorry i know im not contributing here, but im curious(havent been on in a while and just saw his posts with those

Hey! Really easy. First you download a russian keyboard layout. Go to www.masterrussian.com and check the web site, it should have link.
Then when it's install (the website containing the site will have instructions)
you go to your configuration panel in windows, then keyboard, then add a keyboard, then choose the one you want. After that you press control shitf to switch between you keyboards, just like that: qяwвeеrрtтyыuу, really easy. Actually it did show up on your computer because you have the cyrillic encoding installed on your computer.

PS. get a (if you can) yawerty keyboard (яwerty) it makes easier to type, because letters place to there correponding, wich is not like a traditionnal russian keyboard.

[drizzt]

Every country invades. thats not a unique feature of Nazi Germany:).


Thanks litige, ive wondered how to do that. i only speak limited russian, but i would love to be able to type it.

[ISSAC RU]

In 30 years , we will crushed the americans both in Military and ecnomically.
Then , we will let the americans taste the feel of being occupied and living
under gunfire everyday.

[nikolaj]

In 30 years , we will crushed the americans both in Military and ecnomically.
Then , we will let the americans taste the feel of being occupied and living
under gunfire everyday.
or you could...you know.. write a letter to the president or something?

[Berugijin]

or you could...you know.. write a letter to the president or something?

You clearly overestimate ISSAC RU's abilities.

[drizzt]

In 30 years , we will crushed the americans both in Military and ecnomically.
Then , we will let the americans taste the feel of being occupied and living
under gunfire everyday.

congratulations.....you suceded in sounding stupid......again........

[Washington]

congratulations.....you suceded in sounding stupid......again........

Easy for you to say living safe and sound down in Texas.. we live next to em !

If you look hard enough you'll see Canadian agents in malls and amusement areas doing covert reconnaissance. You know they have vital information for future military invasion because they are always driving as fast as they can back to headquarters over the border.

The cultural invasion has already started ! When I moved to California I think I was asked about once a week if I was Canadian. Millions could already be converted to being Canadian and not even know it yet !

So far the economic invasion has been halted for the time being. After the Loon the U.S. made it's own gold color dollar coin to counter it. Very close call but only a temporary solution. The myth of collectors hoarding the U.S. coins and keeping them out of popular circulation is just a cover story. Those of us in "the know" realize that Canada is actually buying them all up in order to undermine our economy.

[drizzt]

oh my dear lord......

[Fonsz]

oh my dear lord......
I thought this was about Americans hating French and/or vice versa. Well Canada is Bi-lingual. And certain states(?) of Canada are very French so there might be smoke in the story.

[tattooedasshole]

Easy for you to say living safe and sound down in Texas.. we live next to em !

If you look hard enough you'll see Canadian agents in malls and amusement areas doing covert reconnaissance. You know they have vital information for future military invasion because they are always driving as fast as they can back to headquarters over the border.

The cultural invasion has already started ! When I moved to California I think I was asked about once a week if I was Canadian. Millions could already be converted to being Canadian and not even know it yet !

So far the economic invasion has been halted for the time being. After the Loon the U.S. made it's own gold color dollar coin to counter it. Very close call but only a temporary solution. The myth of collectors hoarding the U.S. coins and keeping them out of popular circulation is just a cover story. Those of us in "the know" realize that Canada is actually buying them all up in order to undermine our economy.
Who told you? Damn it, now I need to hide another body.
Tha Canadian plan for world invasion is well underway. You machinations will not impede our progress. Bwahahahahahahahahaha :devious:

[tattooedasshole]

I thought this was about Americans hating French and/or vice versa. Well Canada is Bi-lingual. And certain states(?) of Canada are very French so there might be smoke in the story.
Provinces. Only Quebec is french.

[drizzt]

Got a cajun(or coonass as we call ourselves) joke


whats the diference i a frenchman and a coonass?


coonass cooks the weird crap he eats......

[Fab]

As I replied few weeks back, I don't think French people hate Americans people. I never been to America and therefore I can not speak on behalf of the Americans people and give you an answer of why Americans hate French People, but I can try to share my insight.

As I said previously, I am French, not especially proud about it but not embarrased either. What my governement did or did not do, had nothing to do with my feelings on the subjects.

But, from my experience living abroad in different countries like Germany, Italy and now England since 9 years, French people do not speak badly about Americans people, neither German, Italian, etc..people speak badly about French people. Of course people make sarcasm, joke...but if you don't have a sense of humour your life going to be hell.

Back to your subject, as I was saying, for my experience, Europeans do not hate Americans and therefore I don't think Americans hate French people. After all you have stupid people everywhere but you have good people as well, I even hope that there are more intelligent people than stupid in the world. You don't need education to be sensible, you just need communication, respect and decency.

In fact, the answer to your question "why Americans hate French?" is they don't in general. Only few people let themselves being influence by their medias, medias which of course say what their governement want them to say!!!

You have to be more clever than them. The medias don't have too much choice, if they want to keep their job, they have to follow the national political directions which have taken their governements.

But, the people have the luxury of liberty of thinking and therefore use this right to your advantage. Don't let yourself being influence by others, just because they are xenophobe towards foreigners or because they had a bad experience in a country abroad. It does not reflect of what really happen in the country and does not reflect either of what the people abroad really are.

Believe me Europeans love Americans People, and of course they are greatfull for the past. You forgot that French and Americans have a long a history of friendship, especially when America was fighting for its separation from British Imperialism, at the time, and wanted their independance.

Of course, if know you speak about governements, that's different. Of course all governements do not like each others. The American Governement want its way to ensure the continuity of its country men way of live and ensure at the same time that its economy continue to florish. And at the time of Irak war, the way to ensure continuity was to get hold of the middle east petrol reserves.

But, The Europeans Countries want their independance and be equal to the American Governement.

The Chinese Governement has another agenda, to develop fast.

And we could speak about this for hours....each governement has its own interest, and us little people have not a say on the matter. Keep thinking for yourself despite what your government do and communicate. Being Open mind about differencies e.g. culture, history, economy, religion, ...is as well a good one.

Do not hate each other, that what they want, the governements. Thus, we fight between each other and forget about national political directions and forget to complain about their politic. At the end of the day, we elected our leaders, and therefore if we think by ourselves, together, we can fight them...by saying NO, in a massive scale. They get richer those few, when the mass getter poorer. Don't let them!

Finally on the subject, you can call fries like you want, like if I care. In France they are called fries, which actually are Belgium. It is only when I left my country at 15 years old that I realise that fries where called differently in English speaking countries. You call them like this not us. Call them like you want, who cares... they are just fries, not a reason to hate each other or even kill each other.

That's it for me. Later.

fab:smiley:

[nikolaj]

In France they are called fries, which actually are Belgium.

YES!!! Finally, I've been waiting all my life for a frenchman to say that! ^^

btw, I expect this to have been said a million times allready, but the french in french fries comes from the verb, not France.

[HOm3R]

sorry read under

[HOm3R]

i'm french aznd i dont hate american i dont speak very good english ,

So not everibody french people are stupid this is just a minority ,

I'just hate japanesse and chinesse because they'll be the king of the world



IRRRRRRRROCHIMA !!!!!!!!!! BOUM

[640x480]

I think its more like american dislike french in teh U.S and vice versa, as far as Im concerned people over there are like any other,,,,u got some idiots and u got some good ones....


Funny story, I pronounced the bakery "Au Bon Pain" wrong and this one European guy corrected me with a "americans are so stupid..."...

Now that i would get offended, not everyone knows french dummy.

[Gregory]

Americans dont hate the french.
They pretend they do because they think it will make them seem rebellious to hate a country. Its pretty much the same concept as people who talk politics when they dont know anything about it ( I hate bush... or Democrats/republicans suck)

[ISSAC RU]

American hate French because french fries made them so fat.

[litige]

Americans dont hate the french.
They pretend they do because they think it will make them seem rebellious to hate a country. Its pretty much the same concept as people who talk politics when they dont know anything about it ( I hate bush... or Democrats/republicans suck)

Wow...if you where in Greece you could have had the chance to be called a Sophist.
I will hate something because it doesn't coincide with my morality or ethic views.
It gives me a sense of being unpleasantly disturbed in my feelings, or my habits (Wich is a spark for Hate, for me). It's true, I don't know a damn thing about politics in the United-States. One thing I know, is me. And I know Bush does things that unpleasantly disturb me feelings. I have my hate inside of me. If I don't tell anybody, I won't seem rebellious, right? If I tell someone about my hate, it's to express my fellings and search for a way to make me fell better, but nothing of the things you said. Even then I cannot tell you what IS hate. (and I don't think you've got the answer either)
Anyway, it's pretty much the same concept as people who talks "about things that are still under questionning by the highest philosophical authorities" when they don't know anything about it (sophism...)


BTW,the french is not a country, but a group of people.
BTW, Bush is a human being, not politics.

[Gregory]

Why do you hate Bush?

Give me reasons.

I hate him too, after you give me yours Ill give you mine

[litige]

Why do you hate Bush?

Give me reasons.

I hate him too, after you give me yours Ill give you mine

My reasons are extremly personnal and do not concern you at all. I don't think it's a game of who as better reasons.
One thing I could tell you thought is that I don't love him because if he continues like that, he will make your country the most miserable country on earth. Just read a bit of economy, and you'll know why. Then YOU will have a really good reason to "hate" him.

[drizzt]

actualy i hate Clinton for our economical problems as much as anything. I have my own personal opinions about what the worlds different economy's need to do, but they would piss off half this forum(im a bit of an isolationist..).

[samurai999]

Why should we hate clinton? He and Al Gore "invented the internet" and Clinton himself was the "first black president of the United States". haha

Tim

[samurai999]

Well in terms of presidents we really haven't had a solid prez since Reagan IMHO.

Tim

[Washington]

American hate French because french fries made them so fat.

That almost makes too much sense to try and argue against. :D

[Gregory]

Fries were made in belgium

[Washington]

bomb first.. ask questions later.. submit apology.. bomb someone else

[ISSAC RU]

Fries were made in belgium

No , Its the French people who were in Belgium made Fries.

[Hisham]

I've got a theory, americans actually the male population hates the french one cuse they have that damned french accent which hits the "romantique cordes" in american girls hearts.:D

[Paikea]

I've got a theory, americans actually the male population hates the french one cuse they have that damned french accent which hits the "romantique cordes" in american girls hearts.:DThat, and they also tend to get the French girls and good cognac, too. It's quite upsetting.

[Hisham]

That, and they also tend to get the French girls and good cognac, too. It's quite upsetting.

My father used to treat himself to some Napoleon cognac, but he prefers the armagnac though.

Someone said:"What a Havana cigar is to a stogie, armagnac is to brandy"

[Paikea]

My father used to treat himself to some Napoleon cognac, but he prefers the armagnac though.

Someone said:"What a Havana cigar is to a stogie, armagnac is to brandy"A Cohiba and a snifter of old (say, 25-50 years?) Hennessy is as close to an out of body experience as I've ever encountered. Of course, then the bar bill comes, and it gets real again. God, I miss living in Mexico...

[Theodore]

A Cohiba and a snifter of old (say, 25-50 years?) Hennessy is as close to an out of body experience as I've ever encountered.

We may be far apart politically but if we could meet under the conditions outlined I'm sure we could come to rapid agreement. My only disagreement with the above is that is only 2/3 of a perfect evening ......gentlemen need not say more. ;)

[Mr. Donigan]

I don't hate the French. I think that alot of Americans felt betrayed by the French when they didn't support the war. That caused a huge (misguided) backlash against the French. Also, alot of American tourists feel like they are treated poorly by the French. But I think that is because some pushy loud mothed Americans went over there and ruined it for all of us. When I was in Europe alot of people didn't believe I was American because of my views, and manners. I kept telling them not to judge us all by the loud mouths. There are jerks in every country, it's just unfortunate that alot of our jerks travel.

[bullet08]

i don't hate french.. i just don't care for their beer.

pete

[piggy]

We may be far apart politically but if we could meet under the conditions outlined I'm sure we could come to rapid agreement. My only disagreement with the above is that is only 2/3 of a perfect evening ......gentlemen need not say more. ;)



oh i just got that...
thats great. but ill keep my mouth sealed to keep the joke.

[Paikea]

We may be far apart politically but if we could meet under the conditions outlined I'm sure we could come to rapid agreement. My only disagreement with the above is that is only 2/3 of a perfect evening ......gentlemen need not say more. ;)Roger that, doctor!

[Hai_hai]

Why do americans hate the french?
Who said Americans hate the French?
This thread sucks... discuss.

[Washington]

Who said Americans hate the French?

Republicans

[Hai_hai]

Republicans
Oh, that's a stereo-type. Very shallow.

[pgsmith]

Who said Americans hate the French?
I don't think Americans hate the French, other than a few smarmy republicans that say so to try and impress the voting public. I think Americans merely dislike the French. In that, they have finally come to align their views with most of Europe in disliking the French. In fact, I think that the only people that don't dislike the French are French-Canadians (being delusional as to French superiority), and the French themselves (and only some of them, the rest of them dislike themselves!).

[samurai999]

Democrats too.

Tim

[spiritofshilla]

lol i just remebered all the stuff i learned about america and france in elementary/middle school (also im sorry if this has already been mentioned already.......but i just woke up+ its 9 frikin pages to read through)

so here it goes:

america's revolutionary ware-french help the dissgruntaled rebels from the might of the greatest power in the wprld at the time.......BRITAN! lol

french revoulutionary war- america decides not to get involved, french feel betrayed, yadah yadah

then most of frence feels the need to spit at americans ideas, so you get the picture, here comes 100's of years of i hate yous and you sucks.

lol this thread is probably dead but if any1 actuallly reads my thread......... GOOD FOR U!

[drizzt]

america's revolutionary ware-french see an oportumity to gain dominance over a newly forming nation, and to destroy power for britain, buy helping said natio become independent. Aid is delivered to said country, but the treaty by wich it was delivered was so restricitve, the french would have essentialy run the country.
french revoulutionary war- America has already gotten angry with france(citizen Genea(SP?), etc.) and chsen to align itself with britain. French get angry, because americans have other alliances.


little more acurate outline of the whole mess. The whole problem in a nutshell is, France is an old world balance of power nation. There mindset is that way, and they dont like the game changing. I'm not talking about the individual, but the political machine and populace as a whole. i have nothing against the fench as people, but i take issue with there government.

ya'll excuse my spelling errors today, the batts in my keyboard are dying and its causing me to miss letters.

[litige]

In fact, I think that the only people that don't dislike the French are French-Canadians (being delusional as to French superiority)

Althought it is true that the French language is superior, a lot of Canadiens-Français, specially Quebecois, don't like SOME French because SOME :
1. We don't like their accent, because it's so not like our's.(I find it very annoying, except Depardieux's)
2. are arrogant little ****s and they think they are very cultivated (wich is not true)
3. don't tip well, and by saying well, I mean they suck at it.
4.Left us when it came to fighting the English in Quebec city.

Ho and by the way...we slapped so many Americans asses during all the wars you lost over here.

[Washington]

Oh, that's a stereo-type. Very shallow.

So is "why do americans hate the french" :) Just staying in theme with the thread :D

[Kusarigama]

Hey... they dislike each other.

There is an old French proverb that goes something like this.

"When God created the most beautiful place in the earth, he created France.... Then he put the French there."

My late Father, born and raised in Canada, disliked French-Canadians even more, although he mellowed later in life.

Seems during WWII, you were drafted in the Canadian Army but could choose "GS", "General Service" or send me where ever. Or "HG", "Home Guard", stay at home and protect the country from invasion.

My father, working through High School as a waiter on the CPR (Canadian Pacific Railroad), took many troop trains across the Canada, transshipping to Europe.

According to him, the number of French-Canadians were few and far between.

Considering many of his friends never came home again, his feelings were rather intense about the subject.

Britt Nichols

[litige]

Hey... they dislike each other.

There is an old French proverb that goes something like this.

"When God created the most beautiful place in the earth, he created France.... Then he put the French there."

My late Father, born and raised in Canada, disliked French-Canadians even more, although he mellowed later in life.

Seems during WWII, you were drafted in the Canadian Army but could choose "GS", "General Service" or send me where ever. Or "HG", "Home Guard", stay at home and protect the country from invasion.

My father, working through High School as a waiter on the CPR (Canadian Pacific Railroad), took many troop trains across the Canada, transshipping to Europe.

According to him, the number of French-Canadians were few and far between.

Considering many of his friends never came home again, his feelings were rather intense about the subject.

Britt Nichols

Espacially considering that most of the french canadian live in Quebec, so between BC and Ontario, it's sure that he didn't see a lot. I do know that there was a lot of active quebecois activities on the battlefield and one of the best snipers during worldwar II was a Québecois.

And compared too other places in the world, canada is not highly populated, so therefore couldn't send a lot of people at war.

[drizzt]

then you have the coonasses around here(wich i am proud to be sha), wich were basicaly the people the french canadians got pissed off at and booted out.....

[Kusarigama]

Espacially considering that most of the french canadian live in Quebec, so between BC and Ontario, it's sure that he didn't see a lot. I do know that there was a lot of active quebecois activities on the battlefield and one of the best snipers during worldwar II was a Québecois.

And compared too other places in the world, canada is not highly populated, so therefore couldn't send a lot of people at war.

Not quite.

The best assault troops for the Commonweatlth were the Canadians, Aussie and Kiwi (NZ) troops. Canada sent hundreds of thousands to Europe and beyond. He took troop trains from BC all the way to Hailfax and back again. Sometimes with German POWS on the return trip.

His point was NOT that they did not serve. His point was that, on the basis of population precentage, French-Canadians were extremely under-represented in "General Service" Troops. However, they were over-represented in the "Home Guard" Troops he moved around the Canada.

I was not there, neither were anybody else here, I would think.

It was his position based on his own personal experience.

Britt Nichols

[Kusarigama]

Here is the the information from the Official Canada Government Website:

http://www.canadianally.com/ca/about/facts-mil-en.asp

"Canada had more than one million people in uniform during WWII - from a population of just 11 million."

This is approximately 9% of their population at the time.

http://www.vac-acc.gc.ca/remembers/sub.cfm?source=history/secondwar/canada2/epilogue

"The Second World War was over. In the six years of conflict Canada had enlisted more than one million men and women in her armed forces. Of these, more than 45,000 gave their lives in the cause of peace and freedom"


In my Great Grandfather's Family, 4 out of 5 of his sons served in WWII, including my Grandfather at age 34. The only son who did not serve was my Great Uncle Frank, who was a confined to wheelchair due to a farm accident.


Britt Nichols

[ninjamster15]

why do the americans hate the french? why does bush hate anyone who doesn't want to get dragged into this pointless war we're in right now? Let me explain:
By defenition, TERRORISM IS THE POLITICAL USE OF VIOLENCE. There are hundreds of thousands of terrorist groups around the world. There causes and skills are all different, but they all have one thing in common: resentment towards governments/authority figures. Now, if we try to fight terrorism by war, and....oh...say... occupy a country that doesn't like us much to begin with, a lot of people will want us to leave. Now, if we don't leave....or..say have too many "military blunders" where someones mother/father/sibling/friend gets "accidently" shot by a US soldier or tank shell or cruise missle...there is the slight...slight chance that they'll hate the soldiers/their government and grab a gun and...poof! another "terrorist!"

[Gregory]

Im not going to make any other posts than this:


The Definition of terrorism:

Terrorism is an act that creates terror

[ninjamster15]

i apoligize for my rant. i'm just a little opposed to the war...thats all.

[Gregory]

I will only ask this once ninja. Dont talk about politics if you dont know anything about it

[willg123]

ooooooookkkk, looks like someone didn't take their little yellow pill today.

[Toecutter]

The thread is six years old, I'm sure by now that the person has medicated himself properly.

[rainmaker]

Return of Mummy?