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Light Samurai
11-03-2005, 11:30 AM
Sorry for this not having to do with Kendo, but...
I've been going to Aikido for arund 7 months, and have not learned any new techniques for around 4 months.. Is this common in Kendo? And does anyone have any solutions? Training at home is not possible, as I have no one to practice with.
Thanks.

rainmaker
11-03-2005, 12:07 PM
Probably yes. Especially, first 6 month, you will learn about 1) right standing posture, 2) foot work, 3) basic Kote, men, do, 4) Fumikomi over and over again. This is the basic you need to learn until you die.... If you get lucky, you got to do Kirikeishi...



Sorry for this not having to do with Kendo, but...
I've been going to Aikido for arund 7 months, and have not learned any new techniques for around 4 months.. Is this common in Kendo? And does anyone have any solutions? Training at home is not possible, as I have no one to practice with.
Thanks.

Light Samurai
11-03-2005, 12:38 PM
Thanks alopt rainmaker. I'm going to be working everyday from now n on my basics, footwork, ukemi, etc. In aikido. Any other opinions are still welcome :)

Andoru
11-03-2005, 12:40 PM
Training at home is not possible, as I have no one to practice with.


Practise ashi-sabaki and do suburi. Problem solved.

Light Samurai
11-03-2005, 12:43 PM
Practise ashi-sabaki and do suburi. Problem solved.In a Aikido sense, I'll take your advice. Do the basics, including the basics. Footwork, ukemi, centralization, and basic neturlazations. Thanks guys, i'll have to practice with my "double" ^_^;;

DCPan
11-03-2005, 01:49 PM
Sorry for this not having to do with Kendo, but...
I've been going to Aikido for arund 7 months, and have not learned any new techniques for around 4 months.. Is this common in Kendo? And does anyone have any solutions? Training at home is not possible, as I have no one to practice with.
Thanks.

LOL, you can never do enough tenkan and rolls at home.

Besides, there's always the solo movements from Yoshikan Aikido that you can borrow for self practice.

You can also practice sensitivity by taking ukemi from a bo staff...saw it in a ba kua video...idea being standing the bo straight up with one hand touching it, and then, let it fall and maintain bodily contact with it without letting the bo drop to the floor.

Lastly, there is always suburi, as a large part of aikido is using the other guy's arm as your tsuka anyway....

Ex-Aikido School of Ueshiba Type Person

Light Samurai
11-03-2005, 02:04 PM
LOL, you can never do enough tenkan and rolls at home.

Besides, there's always the solo movements from Yoshikan Aikido that you can borrow for self practice.

You can also practice sensitivity by taking ukemi from a bo staff...saw it in a ba kua video...idea being standing the bo straight up with one hand touching it, and then, let it fall and maintain bodily contact with it without letting the bo drop to the floor.

Lastly, there is always suburi, as a large part of aikido is using the other guy's arm as your tsuka anyway....

Ex-Aikido School of Ueshiba Type PersonA little of topic, but I want to teach at my own dojo.. maybe in 20 years from now :p But My beggining gradings would be on Kokyu Nage, Shiho nage, and Ikkyo/Ude Osae. At my dojo they teach kokyu nage, for the first 3 yellow stripes, and for the last one Ikkyo. It's so different. :p

Banza Joe
11-03-2005, 07:21 PM
Most schools are different from each other.
Having spent 12 years studying aikido (and still at it), i'll see if my brain has anything to offer.....hang on minute.......right....ok.... :)
Focus on your ashi sabaki, try to improve the speed and grace of front foot and back foot irimi, practice kaiten and tenkan both forward and backwards.
Tai sabaki (more importanly) use of hara. Stand in posture ai hamni, and place your hands against an object that won't budge easily. Then keeping your arms in the position they are in , use your hara to move the object. This is also good for taitari in kendo.
Depending on your development, i find that you 'can' visualise and go through the motions of techniques like ikkyho ude osae, shiho nage, paying attention to your footwork. Shiho nage is great for this, cos without decent iai goshi and ashi sabaki, its hard to pull off proper shiho nage.
Kihon kihon kihon.......it can be boring, but oh so important.

Good luck.

Light Samurai
12-03-2005, 05:49 AM
Most schools are different from each other.
Having spent 12 years studying aikido (and still at it), i'll see if my brain has anything to offer.....hang on minute.......right....ok.... :)
Focus on your ashi sabaki, try to improve the speed and grace of front foot and back foot irimi, practice kaiten and tenkan both forward and backwards.
Tai sabaki (more importanly) use of hara. Stand in posture ai hamni, and place your hands against an object that won't budge easily. Then keeping your arms in the position they are in , use your hara to move the object. This is also good for taitari in kendo.
Depending on your development, i find that you 'can' visualise and go through the motions of techniques like ikkyho ude osae, shiho nage, paying attention to your footwork. Shiho nage is great for this, cos without decent iai goshi and ashi sabaki, its hard to pull off proper shiho nage.
Kihon kihon kihon.......it can be boring, but oh so important.

Good luck.Thanks Alot, this helps dude ^^

samurai
06-04-2005, 08:49 PM
Sorry for this not having to do with Kendo, but...
I've been going to Aikido for arund 7 months, and have not learned any new techniques for around 4 months.. Is this common in Kendo? And does anyone have any solutions? Training at home is not possible, as I have no one to practice with.
Thanks.

In Aikido you need patiente. You start with the basics: ukemi, sabaki, and so on. When you know these well enough your sensei will start teaching you techniques. I have being practicing Aikido for like 5 months and my Sensei already taught me techniques but I have practicing JuJutsu for almost 5 years (with the same Sensei) so I already know the basics.
Practice as asidously as you can because only practice makes it perfect.

Light Samurai
07-04-2005, 04:38 AM
In Aikido you need patiente. You start with the basics: ukemi, sabaki, and so on. When you know these well enough your sensei will start teaching you techniques. I have being practicing Aikido for like 5 months and my Sensei already taught me techniques but I have practicing JuJutsu for almost 5 years (with the same Sensei) so I already know the basics.
Practice as asidously as you can because only practice makes it perfect.
I recently gpot all the techniques I need for my first yellow stripe. So yeah.

Light Samurai
15-04-2005, 06:55 AM
Well, my footwork is okay, but I need to wrk on irmi. oh well.I recently gpot all the techniques I need for my first yellow stripe. So yeah.

Ninjujinkaku
21-04-2005, 05:22 AM
Whats with the stripes? why not just give a decent sized test like 8 techniques for the next belt? Promotion in aikido doesnt mean much in my opinion, ueshiba gave a female dancer after 1 lesson of aikido an 8th dan because she understood the concepts. Doing the same techniques over and over again I feel weakens you in the long run, you should always learn new techs at a pace and cotinue to go over the old, most people when they get good go back to the begining and notice how well they have really improved, they didnt improve that way by doing the same techs, they improved that way by doing new techs with the same principles thus they have more knowledge of application and what to look for.

Light Samurai
21-04-2005, 05:43 AM
Whats with the stripes? why not just give a decent sized test like 8 techniques for the next belt? Promotion in aikido doesnt mean much in my opinion, ueshiba gave a female dancer after 1 lesson of aikido an 8th dan because she understood the concepts. Doing the same techniques over and over again I feel weakens you in the long run, you should always learn new techs at a pace and cotinue to go over the old, most people when they get good go back to the begining and notice how well they have really improved, they didnt improve that way by doing the same techs, they improved that way by doing new techs with the same principles thus they have more knowledge of application and what to look for.
We just don't work on the same four techniques. some days we'll do a bunch of different techniques, practice those maybe 10 minutes, line back up, do a new one (With our shihan demonstarting.) And back at it. And then in the beginner class right after, we'll do classical, or maybe performing rolls over people on all fours (Although we only do this with the more advanced uke's. the new guys just roll to the side, out of everyones way...)

Banza Joe
22-04-2005, 09:25 PM
We just don't work on the same four techniques. some days we'll do a bunch of different techniques, practice those maybe 10 minutes, line back up, do a new one (With our shihan demonstarting.) And back at it. And then in the beginner class right after, we'll do classical, or maybe performing rolls over people on all fours (Although we only do this with the more advanced uke's. the new guys just roll to the side, out of everyones way...)

Aikido is one of those arts that, when you look at on a surface level there doesn't seem to be that many differing techniques, yet when you sink deeper into it you find myriad ways to do each different basic techique.
I find it funny that they hand out coloured belts in aikido, but hey ho, each to their own. I, obviously am not used to this, i don't agree with having to wait a certain amount of time before you are shown a certain technique that in truth is no more difficult that a kihon exercise.
in our school a beginner can be shown and allowed to practice, with safety a technique that others would class as advanced. Now i'm not talking about being thrown all over the place etc, but i'm sure you get my drift. They are introduced to the technique in the hope that they will understand its dynamics. if they don't, so what, forget it until they do understand it. But at least offer them the chance to conceptualize it.
I guess my point is, in most arts (except kendo it seems), you are only taught a certain amount for each grade, so by that rationale when you get to black belt you may only have been practicing a certain amount of technique for probably well less than a year (judging by the short amount of time sort arts take to reach shodan level). And these people often end up teaching shortly after. Get my drift?
Constantly practice what you have, try and understand subtle differences between what your shiho nage is compared to a dan graded's shiho nage. There are definite differences (i.e. over the top ukemis resulting from taking the arm at a different height etc).
I don't teach at our aikido club, although i do help out beginners. But when my aikijujutsu sensei is away or ill, i assume the roll of sensei and take the class. All our students are adults and i treat them as such, and show all the relevent techniques according to the way the class is running. I wont let them try advanced ukemi, they don't need to if they have an experience tori. But by not being able to perform an advanced technique will at least teach them something about tai sabaki etc. So they will always learn something from it. My sensei once said to me "if you copy what your'e being shown, all you do is emulate, but if you find your way to the technique, then its yours forever!" I firmly believe this is true, and will make a better aikidoka for it.
Hope this rant helps is some small measure :)