If you don't like your country?

[KhawMengLee]

Don't you see this for what it is. The ROK is turning innocent children into future NAZIs or what the Japanese use to be during and before WWII. THis is pure evil.
If this what the ROK stands for I will be the first to say the ROK is EVIL. There is no excuse for this kind taught racism. No better than the KKK.

Evil begets Evil.

Japanese troops raped, tortured and massacred in a merry go round tour of asia. By your reasoning Japan is Evil as well...evil acts can only produce more evil, only love and kindness can soothe the fires that burn for hate.

Korea may be wrong here but you can't point the finger without knowing that Japan gave birth to this monster.

[Akai Bushi]

These Children are the fourth and even fifth generation since WWII. So yes I wouldn't be angry at a whole country if my great great grandmother was raped. This is mass insanity. And no most Japanese hold no ill will toward the mainland. This would never happen in a Japanese school today. There is no excuse for this. There isnt a class project of Chinese or Korean racism. "Ok class lets draw dead Koreans and lets shit on there flag and lets draw there country as a flaming pile of crap.

Go on defend your racism.

This doesn't seem like it will end until all the Japanese or all the Koreans and Chinese are dead. I hope this kind of biggotry doesn't lead to genocide. Raising children like this is dangerous.

[KhawMengLee]

Go on defend your racism.

I'm not a bigot and take offense against that accusation.

I have been trying to give the point of view of those you condemn as evil. Hatred lasts a very long time...its something that doesn't just fade away. I never once said I agree with what they are doing but I can understand the anger.

[KhawMengLee]

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/chitribts/20050613/ts_chicagotrib/samboreturnstobookracksinjapan


Sambo' returns to bookracks in Japan By Bruce Wallace Tribune newspapers: Los Angeles Times
Mon Jun 13, 9:40 AM ET



A writer's death can do wonders for pushing that back catalog. Less drastically, a few books acquire cachet by getting banned.

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Which may help explain why a reissue of "Little Black Sambo," a turn-of-the-20th Century illustrated children's book with a reputation for racism, is back on the best-seller lists in Japan.

"Sambo" was a big favorite of Japanese families from the time it was introduced here in 1953 until it was yanked from bookstores in 1988 after a swift and effective anti-racism campaign. The rap against it in Japan echoed that in the West years earlier: Sambo was a long-standing racist term for American blacks, and illustrator Frank Dobias' portrayal of the main character, with his bulging white eyes and exaggerated lips, was deeply offensive.

In April, Zuiunsha, a small Tokyo publisher, bet there was still a market for a book that had charmed Japanese youngsters who as adults were unable to find it for their children.

The market agreed. Zuiunsha reportedly has sold 95,000 copies in two months since offering "Chibikuro Sambo." Despite being a child's read at a thin 16 pages, "Sambo" is among the top five adult fiction best sellers at major Tokyo book chains.

"Some people buy it out of nostalgia," explained Tomio Inoue, Zuiunsha's president, who in picking up the rights gambled he wouldn't face a backlash for breaking the informal ban.

So far, "Sambo" has returned to shelves with few objections in a country where blacks are rare. There has been one complaint published in an English-language newspaper, written by a black resident in Japan. An online petition against the publisher garnered 262 signatures.

That is a far cry from 1988, when a mostly American campaign drove the book off Japanese shelves.

At that time, Japan's go-go economy was perceived to be a threat to the United States. Japanese leaders feared the book was adding a culture war to the trade disputes.

Kazuo Mori, a psychologist at Shinshu University in Nagano, said most Japanese were surprised to learn that "Little Black Sambo" had racist overtones.

"It never occurred to us," he said. "It was just a story."

The original "Little Black Sambo" was published in 1899. Written by Helen Bannerman, a Scot living in India, it recounts the adventure of a supposedly Indian boy who is stalked by tigers and bargains for his life by surrendering his fine clothes.

But the tigers fight over who is the grandest among them, pursuing each other in frenzied circles until they dissolve into butter.

To its defenders, Sambo is heroic, and the story is a harmless fantasy.

"The Japanese people can be racist when it comes to Koreans living here," Mori said. "But racist against blacks?

"We have no experience in dealing with black people Where would we get it from?"



In defence of the Japanese readers, in the states, one can legally purchase the KKK Masterpiece "A Birth of a Nation". Which I think has a ton more racist overtones than this book.

I was watching Sean Connery in You Only Live Twice the other night and it just struck me how un-PC it was...ie. James Bond- "Why do chinese girls taste different from other girls?" I still love the movie tho'

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As for the article...doesn't the second last comment strike one as disturbing?

[ISSAC RU]

For those who has no idea how brutal the Japanese were back
in WWII , please take a look at this link.

http://www.nhren.com/advert/noforget/nhren.htm

[KenShi_JoB]

If I rape your mother and killed your father , what would you feel?
Times that by 20million times , how much that is that ?

After I killed your parents , I suppose we are friend afterwards ,right?
We can always get a drink together because it does not matter because
it happened yesterday....
Um...lets say raping your mom and dad aren't enough...lets torch
their body on the street for like...um...a week?
How would you feel?
Nothing?


Yea...maybe after a few days later you will just forget about it , cuz
it just happened ...right?

Not all Japanese rape your mother. Most of the raper were already dead. Yes, I will hate the rapers,but to hate their children or the people whose only fault is born in the same country with these rapers is racist.

[KenShi_JoB]

Not all Japanese rape your mother. Most of the raper were already dead. Yes, I will hate the rapers,but to hate their children or the people whose only fault is born in the same country with these rapers is racist.

Sorry, rapist not raper.

[KenShi_JoB]

And how do you think koreans are portrayed in Japan? In fact, amongst chinese as well. Are you saying there is no bigotary against koreans in Japan?

As I said before, you are in no position to judge them. Neither is Japan...after all, these ppl were raped, murdered and subdugated for decades. If they feel anger and hatred...its sad, but its only expected after what they went through.

You are sitting there on a high horse judging them as if this hate comes from nothing...

When your family is murdered and you stand with a gun to the murderer's head and spare his life, then come and talk about this subject like you are a saint.

In the court of law, the judge doesn't have to had any of his family getting raped in order to judge the rape case. They don't allow the raped girl's family to be the jury because hatred will cloud their judgement.

What Japan get is the result of their action, but that doesn't make what korean do right.

[Akai Bushi]

I'm not talking about people's parents I'm talking about people great great grandparents. These are children. They're are being taught the hatred. My grandfather had to go fight in WWII and was wounded 5 times. I don't hate Germany. My grandfather doesn't hate Germany.You can't condeme a whole country only people and actions.

[KhawMengLee]

In the court of law, the judge doesn't have to had any of his family getting raped in order to judge the rape case. They don't allow the raped girl's family to be the jury because hatred will cloud their judgement.

What Japan get is the result of their action, but that doesn't make what korean do right.

yes...as you said 2 wrongs don't make a right. But doing what is right is not easy...and we are only human. As I said...put yourself in their shoes and see how hard the 'right' choice is.

This is why Japan has the big responsibility here...I hate to say it, but they need to truly open their hearts to those they have hurt. Not empty apologies...but acts of goodwill and compassion.

This is what public relations is for. They need to send people over to places liek Korea etc and actually be amongst the people they apologize to. Sincerety, compassion, love...showing these things will soothe hatred. You need to show people you are not the monsters of the past, that you have changed.

This is what the hatred is about. The fear and anger of what the past holds.

[KhawMengLee]

I'm not talking about people's parents I'm talking about people great great grandparents. These are children. They're are being taught the hatred. My grandfather had to go fight in WWII and was wounded 5 times. I don't hate Germany. My grandfather doesn't hate Germany.You can't condeme a whole country only people and actions.

I respect your Grandfather's sacrifice but his/your situation is totally different from this instance. Germany did not invade the US. Germany did not force your population into labour gands. Germany did not make it state policy to rape women in your family.

Your grandfather stepped up above the crowd to fight for justice. These people fought because they were forced to fight. There was no choice here.

As I said before, you have no idea how these people felt and you have no idea how long this hate can last. In the previous post I said...they teach this to their children because they know what Japan was capable of. They fear a repeat of the past...for the fear to fade and the hate to go, one must prove that one has changed for the better.

[ISSAC RU]

In the western Countries' text books .
They will spend about 75% of the time teach you
how bad the holocaust was and do not mention
a single word of what the Japanese did in Asia.
For example : Rape of Nanjing.
Lack of education for young people is the true
criminal.
Thats why Japan can put their Class-A War Criminals
in their national shinto shrine and nobody in the world
cares except China and Korea.

Funny thing happen today , I asked one of our young
social studies teacher ( 28 years old ) . She has no
idea who Tojo is and she doesn't even know there was a
massacre called the Rape of Nanjing. She simply said
" Tojo ? You mean the Tojo restaurant in downtown? ''

Hilter , Tojo , Mussolini
They are on the same scale.

[Akai Bushi]

Your right about the lack of knowledge among westerners. Most Americans don't even know China, Japan, and Korea are different countries. I've met people that think they all speak the same language. I talked to one woman that went on a trip to China and Japan for a month and I asked her what she liked best about Japan and she talked about something she saw in China. So really most westerners haven't got a clue. Not to say all of course.
Example:
PERSON:"You've been to Japan?"
ME: "yes"
PERSON:"How was Tokyo."
ME: "I've never been to Tokyo."
PERSON:"I thought you said you've been to Japan."

A note about your social science teacher. You only need a BA to teach social science in High School. And as I might suspect she probably focused her studies on Western governments and western history. You can get a social science degree with knowing very little about Asia, if anything. Talk to the AP honors history teacher instead at least they'll have a masters degree and as I suspect an understanding of Nanjing.

[KhawMengLee]

Your right about the lack of knowledge among westerners. Most Americans don't even know China, Japan, and Korea are different countries. I've met people that think they all speak the same language. I talked to one woman that went on a trip to China and Japan for a month and I asked her what she liked best about Japan and she talked about something she saw in China. So really most westerners haven't got a clue. Not to say all of course.
Example:
PERSON:"You've been to Japan?"
ME: "yes"
PERSON:"How was Tokyo."
ME: "I've never been to Tokyo."
PERSON:"I thought you said you've been to Japan."

A note about your social science teacher. You only need a BA to teach social science in High School. And as I might suspect she probably focused her studies on Western governments and western history. You can get a social science degree with knowing very little about Asia, if anything. Talk to the AP honors history teacher instead at least they'll have a masters degree and as I suspect an understanding of Nanjing.

Yes...to concur. One of my hallmates in Uni(yes, she was American) said this:

PERSON: Oh, so where you guys from?
Me: Kuala Lumpur[blank look from her]. Uh...its in Malaysia.
PERSON: Oh, Malaysia!
[Alright!! At least she knows the my country!]
PERSON: Malaysia...that's in Jakarta right?.
Me: hahahahaa...er...no....

[Akai Bushi]

yes...as you said 2 wrongs don't make a right. But doing what is right is not easy...and we are only human. As I said...put yourself in their shoes and see how hard the 'right' choice is.

This is why Japan has the big responsibility here...I hate to say it, but they need to truly open their hearts to those they have hurt. Not empty apologies...but acts of goodwill and compassion.

This is what public relations is for. They need to send people over to places liek Korea etc and actually be amongst the people they apologize to. Sincerety, compassion, love...showing these things will soothe hatred. You need to show people you are not the monsters of the past, that you have changed.

This is what the hatred is about. The fear and anger of what the past holds.
That might be a good idea to mend old wounds that have had salt in them for too long. This all comes down to education at an early age. Chinese, Koreans, and esp. Japanese. Because most Japanese haven't really got a clue of what is going on. (I hate to say that.) I can say that the under 40 crowd in Japan has no ill will toward the mainland, because they know little about the history and politics around it. They care more about Gucci than about history.

[KhawMengLee]

That might be a good idea to mend old wounds that have had salt in them for too long. This all comes down to education at an early age. Chinese, Koreans, and esp. Japanese. Because most Japanese haven't really got a clue of what is going on. (I hate to say that.) I can say that the under 40 crowd in Japan has no ill will toward the mainland, because they know little about the history and politics around it. They care more about Gucci than about history.

You know...after keiko, we all head to the pub and have quiet drink. We talk about life, our passions, dreams, ideals, sorrow, and so on. We see that culture and language aside we are the same. We are human. We have the same faults and can aspire to grasp the same virtues that make us great.

When we sit and share ourselves without preconceptions, but as friends, we learn this fact.

[Yaiba]

You know...after keiko, we all head to the pub and have quiet drink. We talk about life, our passions, dreams, ideals, sorrow, and so on. We see that culture and language aside we are the same. We are human. We have the same faults and can aspire to grasp the same virtues that make us great.

When we sit and share ourselves without preconceptions, but as friends, we learn this fact.
This is so true... we are all fundamentally the same, which is why I hate this blame game over history and politics because I have many mates that include Chinese, Korean, Japanese, Vietnamese, Malaysian, Indonesian, Singaporean, etc... the list goes on. It's important to remember the past but, for our generation especially, it's more important to learn how to get along with one another from now on... so yes, it was disappointing to see those drawings by the Korean schoolchildren because they are just being fed into the same vicious cycle of the past again.

[KhawMengLee]

This is so true... we are all fundamentally the same, which is why I hate this blame game over history and politics because I have many mates that include Chinese, Korean, Japanese, Vietnamese, Malaysian, Indonesian, Singaporean, etc... the list goes on. It's important to remember the past but, for our generation especially, it's more important to learn how to get along with one another from now on... so yes, it was disappointing to see those drawings by the Korean schoolchildren because they are just being fed into the same vicious cycle of the past again.

hahaha...hmmmnn:

Yes...we are all god's children...except for Tasmania!...its not even part of Australia!- My Headmaster used to say that during our history classes.

[ISSAC RU]

Far-Asia is very different from Southeast Asia.

[Yaiba]

hahaha...hmmmnn:

Yes...we are all god's children...except for Tasmania!...its not even part of Australia!- My Headmaster used to say that during our history classes.
Ahhh... the good ol' Tasmania jokes. Yeah, Tasmanians cop quite a raw deal from mainland Australians for some reason (I kind of feel sorry for them sometimes... it's not their fault if they were born there... :cheeky: ). Sometimes I just don't know if they are treated better or worse than our cousins in New Zealand...

Actually, Tasmanian beer is great so I don't pick on them... Cascade Premium, mmmmm... :lick:

[KhawMengLee]

Actually, Tasmanian beer is great so I don't pick on them... Cascade Premium, mmmmm... :lick:

Yes...that's why god invented Vikings. So we can destroy Tasmania and steal their beer.

[samurai999]

humanity killing of japs.
Funny how the saying of "jap" in our country will have the JACL (Japanese American Citizens League) and other asian PACs on your ass so quickly... I'm not offended, but it is technically considered a racial slur in our country..

Tim

[KenShi_JoB]

yes...as you said 2 wrongs don't make a right. But doing what is right is not easy...and we are only human. As I said...put yourself in their shoes and see how hard the 'right' choice is.

This is why Japan has the big responsibility here...I hate to say it, but they need to truly open their hearts to those they have hurt. Not empty apologies...but acts of goodwill and compassion.

This is what public relations is for. They need to send people over to places liek Korea etc and actually be amongst the people they apologize to. Sincerety, compassion, love...showing these things will soothe hatred. You need to show people you are not the monsters of the past, that you have changed.

This is what the hatred is about. The fear and anger of what the past holds.


I agree what you said about what Japan should do.

However, the right choice is usually not an easy chioce, but doing wrong because it is hard to do something right is a lame excuse. I can just steal something because it's easier than finding a job.

What these korean children have been taught only cause hatred and maybe another war.

When someone raped your family members, you hate them, but to hate and teach your children to hate all their children and relative, that's stupid.

Being rapist son, doesn't automatically make one a rapist.

[KenShi_JoB]

Far-Asia is very different from Southeast Asia.

Yeah, and Africa is different from Asia, Europe is different than Asia.

Each individual are different. There are good Japanese, there are good chinese, there are good american.

And there are bad ones too.

To hate someone you don't even know because of their nationality make you nothing more than a racist.

No different than KKK, no different than American african that hate white people, no different than nazi that hate jew, and NO DIFFERENT THAN JAPANESE THAT COMMIT A CRIME AGAINST YOUR NATION.

[KhawMengLee]

Funny how the saying of "jap" in our country will have the JACL (Japanese American Citizens League) and other asian PACs on your ass so quickly... I'm not offended, but it is technically considered a racial slur in our country..

Tim

You're taking my words out of context. I was saying in the sentence how would Japanese feel if servicemen called it a service to humanity killing japs. I'm just using the language one would use in that context.

Like some KKK member would hardly be expected to say "African American".

[KhawMengLee]

I agree what you said about what Japan should do.

However, the right choice is usually not an easy chioce, but doing wrong because it is hard to do something right is a lame excuse. I can just steal something because it's easier than finding a job.

What these korean children have been taught only cause hatred and maybe another war.

When someone raped your family members, you hate them, but to hate and teach your children to hate all their children and relative, that's stupid.

Being rapist son, doesn't automatically make one a rapist.

Yes...they are being taught this because of anger and fear. The fear that Japan is capable of doing it all over again. None of them feel that Japan is sorry for what it did...and therefor, they feel that the past will repeat itself. They then teach their kids this because they fear their children will suffer the same.

[samurai999]

You're taking my words out of context. I was saying in the sentence how would Japanese feel if servicemen called it a service to humanity killing japs. I'm just using the language one would use in that context.

Like some KKK member would hardly be expected to say "African American".


meh? So (no offense) but if you say that some KKK member would hardly be expected to say african-american, then are you implying that you are part of some radical group? (say like the Neo-Nazis, Aryan Brotherhood, Anti-semists, etc?) Since you say the word "jap" so freely. Note that American servicemen used the "jap" term, in spite, to mean japanese imperial military personel but extended that to Japanese-Americans as well. Also there are WW2 veterans who still called it "service to humanity" to "kill the "japs" even in this time and age. Remember that the Japanese-Americans like my father(after the war), grandfather and my great grandfather had to go through the bs of being called a "jap" in this country (and internment for others) during WW2 even though they were loyal to the US out of total hate for our race. All i'm saying that it IS considered a racial slur along with "nip" in our country. If you don't mean it as a slur, fine. Just be careful what you say and in what context you say it.

Plus like what drizzt said in another post, the KKK was founded to hunt down "carpetbaggers" from the Civil War at first and at some point was relegated to hunting down persons of African descent because of radicals within the group.

Tim

[Yo...osh!]

Hey, interesting update:

http://www.japantoday.com/e/?content=news&cat=1&id=342140