Could someone translate this Kogen Itto-ryu Kata??

[Kenshin-wannabe]

I am asking for a friend who is currently teaching Gumdo. He found this Kata online for Kogen Itto-ryu and would like to have it translated.

Does anyone here know how to translate this or know of someone with knowledge of kendo to translate this?

The kata is here:

http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Garden/6305/sgkatapage.htm

Thanks for your time.

[Jerry Wellbrock]

The page with the kata you listed is posted on the website of the United States Classical Kendo Federation headed by Kotaka Sensei from Columbus, Ohio. Their kendo from what I understand is more like a koryu style of pre-war kendo. You may email to their website for information but I think they are fairly private and not open to much discussion or debate. Good Luck.

[Confound]

I read their site, Jerry. It looks pretty genuine, as far as that goes. To be honest, it looks interesting! It's too bad that they don't have a place to study near my home in Canada. i'd like to see their iai forms at least.

c

[Kenshin-wannabe]

Confound, where in Canada do you live?

We got interested in this Kata because from what I understand of it, it is like a combat form of kendo that when practiced and mastered, can be actually administered in battle all of the form instead of just parts of the form. This and also we are big Kenshin fans and wanted to learn about the Shinsen-gumi.

We really would like to know how this kata is performed so that it could be taught in the gumdo class.

[Confound]

Mr. Kenshin-wannabe,

I lived in Eastern Canada, but now inhabit the not so fair North-Western shore of Japan. Should I ever smell the foul scent of your anime-loving, cosplaying, Shinsen Gumi desecrating body anywhere near either of my homes, or in my e-mail inbox, I shall unleash such a torrent of angry verbal diarrhoea upon you that you shall rue the day you ever asked me where I live.

Crawl back into your anime-imitating hole. Go watch a few more episodes of kenshin, and try to get it into your skull that it's fiction.

c

[megumisita]

Interesting....I didn't think that my dojo or its kata was known here....

[hyouriittai]

I guess that goes for the both of us, Megumisita.

[hyouriittai]

Mr. Kenshin-wannabe,

I lived in Eastern Canada, but now inhabit the not so fair North-Western shore of Japan. Should I ever smell the foul scent of your anime-loving, cosplaying, Shinsen Gumi desecrating body anywhere near either of my homes, or in my e-mail inbox, I shall unleash such a torrent of angry verbal diarrhoea upon you that you shall rue the day you ever asked me where I live.

Crawl back into your anime-imitating hole. Go watch a few more episodes of kenshin, and try to get it into your skull that it's fiction.

c

Though that's pretty harsh, you've got a point. Most of the elements of Japanese history that are in anime and manga are pretty romanticized. From what I understand, the Shinsengumi are really "Hollywoodized" in those mediums.

[Hingus]

hyouriittai! Always good to see someone from the USCKF!

[orayakab]

The page with the kata you listed is posted on the website of the United States Classical Kendo Federation headed by Kotaka Sensei from Columbus, Ohio. Their kendo from what I understand is more like a koryu style of pre-war kendo. You may email to their website for information but I think they are fairly private and not open to much discussion or debate. Good Luck.

Some of the claims on this website seem pretty far fetched.........Check this out...this was found at: http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Garden/6305/fellman.htm

Please....He's claiming that he beat 50 Kendoka from Keishicho and Osaka Fukei ranked 7 Dan and above in a row......

Somehow, if this is true then my family has this bridge in Brooklyn that's for sale...

Orayakab, U.

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PVF: David also mentioned that you recently attended a special tournament in Tokyo where you fought and defeated fifty kendoka ranked nanadan and above in a row.

KS: Yes, this was the joint practice of the Tokyo Police Department and Osaka Police Department Kendo Clubs. They have an advanced group which requires 7th dan for membership. Both Tokyo and Osaka Police Departments have excellent kendo. Their kendo is much stronger than any college kendo. College kendo and college judo simply cannot handle police kendo and judo. The one exception to this, I find to be Waseda University in Japan. I feel a strong kinship with the Waseda team.

PVF: But nonetheless they were not able to score ippon?

KS: Only Kato sensei was able to score clear ai-uchi.

[aru-ma]

Though that's pretty harsh, you've got a point. Most of the elements of Japanese history that are in anime and manga are pretty romanticized. From what I understand, the Shinsengumi are really "Hollywoodized" in those mediums.

If you want to see romanticized feudal era japanese history look no further, there's alway the ever running taiga drama from NHK (runs every year once a week) :D last year was Miyamoto Musashi, this somehow caused Musashi boom in japan with increasing number of people doing nito in kendo (although it's not quite related), This year it's, surprise surprise, shinsen gumi, I wonder what will this one do.

[hyouriittai]

Some of the claims on this website seem pretty far fetched.........Check this out...this was found at: http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Garden/6305/fellman.htm

Please....He's claiming that he beat 50 Kendoka from Keishicho and Osaka Fukei ranked 7 Dan and above in a row......

Somehow, if this is true then my family has this bridge in Brooklyn that's for sale...

Orayakab, U.


I know most people on this forum find that hard to believe, but Kotaka-sensei has been studying kendo for 60 years. I haven't met him myself, but from the accounts of my own sensei and others in our federation, I've heard that he is an excellent kenkaku, especially for his age. Also, I think that the post may come off as a bit disrespectful, to which some people on the forum (who are Kotaka-sensei's students) may take offense.

[orayakab]

I know most people on this forum find that hard to believe, but Kotaka-sensei has been studying kendo for 60 years. I haven't met him myself, but from the accounts of my own sensei and others in our federation, I've heard that he is an excellent kenkaku, especially for his age. Also, I think that the post may come off as a bit disrespectful, to which some people on the forum (who are Kotaka-sensei's students) may take offense.

It's not that defeating 50 Senseis from Keishicho and Osaka Fukei is 'hard to believe'.

It's just that we don't believe it at all. Especially when someone who is Very high level from Tokyo Police was asked about this guy and he goes, "Who? He's claiming what?!?! "

I don't know. Maybe he went to some other Tokyo and Osaka Police Department.

Orayakab, U.