The New Age American Cultural Slave

[ISSAC RU]

Is he a terrorist or Is he a patriot ?
People who are fighting the Americans will be consider as
terrorist . Why?

When I was young , my textbook has mentioned countless
heros who sacrificed thenseleves in the Wars against enemy.
But , if this was viewed from some ''Evil'' empire 's prespective
they were be considered as terrorist. Every single men in this
room who has any kind of conscious will be outraged by that.
Iraqi suicide bombers bombed American troops are being
considered as terrorist , why?
If I send serveral million army in to US and bomb every single
facitiles and buildings Would I be considered as a terrorist?
Same for the Iraqis , their country is being invade and bombed
everyday by the American invaders , the only thing they could
do to prevent this happening is to sacrifice themselevs against
the mighty evil of all time. I will say , They are not terrorist
They are HEROS .
Americans walk all over the world try to spread so called "
Democracy and freedom '' and against all the nationalist in
the world. Why? Because Americans are the only one who
can love their country? Because they are the chosen one
by god?

Ex : CNN reports from Iraq , May 30th. 2005
American troops are handing out food and water to the local
iraqis . While they were doing that , Americans try to tell
them use violence against the ''Allies '' is wrong. Stop it ,
So we can give the things you need.
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Back in WWII , Japanese were using the same propaganda
try to stop the resistants in Asia. Ex : Some Japanese soliders
are handing out candys to children, tell them not to fight the Japanese
''Liberaters''.
Just because some barbarians give you some pitty , and you will
give up your dignity your country and your people?
Bush said US will give Iraq a American style democracy , US
will bring democracy to the middle east ...
what the hell is the difference between this and the Japanese
back in WWII , try to build their empire in Asia through wars
murders and lies.


America has no right to talk about Human human rights or
making the world better when they are the biggest liar and
invader in the world. Just because N.Korea has a few missle , they
say N.Korea is dangerous country to the world....WTF? LMAO
How many ICBM missles do the Americans have? ARE YOU
A DANGER THE WORLD? Appearently , Yes. America has
milltary bases all over the world. 95 of them , they can launch
a missle attack on anywhere in the earth in 90 minutes , is that
Terrorism? YES..

Don't let the American KFC or hollywoods movies fool you , we eat
fries , celebrate Xmas , watching American Tv ....eventually we have
become the American Cultural Slave..We accepted their god damn
forsaken values...We have become part of their world domination
plan.

Americans are bring death upon the innocent Iraqis , who is the
true terrorist? Does this world have justice?..I feel shame for
all of you who sit there and do nothing about it .

[Andou]

...Are you going to Iraq to help rebel against the american forces? What do you want us to do? Everyone knows people dislike the war and the bombings and civilian casualties but Bush isn't going to stop (this ain't a flame on Bush...I don't want to get into politics, just usin his name here.) just because people are on the street holding signs.

[Andou]

Just because N.Korea has a few missle , they
say N.Korea is dangerous country to the world....WTF? LMAO
How many ICBM missles do the Americans have? ARE YOU
A DANGER THE WORLD? Appearently , Yes.

sorry for a double post, but..

...I don't remember the US launching missles into the Rio Grande or any of the Great Lakes like N. Korea did when it launched a missle over the Japan Sea and into the Pacific Ocean.

[The great I AM]

I think you need to grow up and be a little bit more subjective about this before you start throwing opinions around. Did you know for instance that the North Korean government is using their apparent possesion of Nuclear Arms as a "bargaining tool" in getting more aid relief for their country, basically saying "we'll not threaten to use this stuff if you give us lots of aid (which we wouldn't need anyway if the top brass in our regime weren't living a life of ridiculous luxury at the expense of the people, and squandering what is given to us by not figuring out how to use it properly in the first place)". America may have these ICBM in bases all around the world, but that is nuclear deterrance (sp), not the threat of violence like th NK's. When was the last time you heard America say if you don't do this, we'll fire our Nuclear Weapons at you? I haven't read or heard any thing like that in the news....


Although in no way do I condone at all America's methods, saying that they are world wide terrorists is just plain ridiculous. I do not agree with what they did, but I would not all the same lable them as terrorists for what they have done.

And as for the comments about the iraqis who blow themselves up in iraq, they are targetting their own people (for instance police men queing up to collect their pay cheques) as much as the "invaders". Additionally, these bombings have killed more iraqis than soldiers, so what do you say about that? Do you agree that they are doing the right thing there? Last week there was an incident of 22 people killed in a bombing in a busy area resulting in dead women and children. Do you agree with that? The people doing these suicide bombings want rule for themselves, and don't think that an elected governement should run the country, but instead of politcking (sp?) to put this point across and gain power in a responsible way, they are using violence, and killing the people they supposedly want to rule. Do you agree with this?

Well, do you?

[Mugu]

Well I guess it makes total sense that you said the stuff you said considering you have red armies eating snow as your signature, and I assumed you call them Heros also, yes? Well just to let you know they killed more Chinese than the Japanese Nan Ging massacre...

As for the Iraqis, some Iraqis are trying to fight those who you called "heros" also because they LOVE their country and they don't want those "heros" to tear their country apart.

You know... for someone who is practicing kendo/Iaido calling those people who kill their own INNOCENT people are Heros AND love their countries, I think you should stop practicing because you can't even tell the differences between good and bad. And apparently, you're practicing this art with the mind set of kicking someone's ass instead of learn how to have more tolerance and self discipline.

No offense, this is a peaceful discussion and I'm just giving my opinion out just like you did yours... at least I thought mine through before posting.

[piggy]

the suicide bombers are heros to thier own vanity but the american soldiers are heros to us. its not like they bomb every house they see. one thing you did not mention is that the bombers bomb thier own people! the soldiers eliminated the corrupt dictator and are puting in a new police force. is that so bad? most of the iraqis support the americans. but i forgot that you know everything about the iraq war so dont listen to me...

[bluhawq]

the suicide bombers are heros to thier own vanity but the american soldiers are heros to us. its not like they bomb every house they see. one thing you did not mention is that the bombers bomb thier own people! the soldiers eliminated the corrupt dictator and are puting in a new police force. is that so bad? most of the iraqis support the americans. but i forgot that you know everything about the iraq war so dont listen to me...

No..they don't bom every house they see..they recklessly raide houses and cause trauma on their occupants then release them a few days later without so much as an apology.

Suicide bombers bomb their own people. Some people turn their backs against their own country. I'm not saying this should be allowed, rather..understand their point of view. How'd u feel if your house got raided and your own countrymen were the ones supervising the raids?Not too good eh?

Most iraqi's support Americans...You've been listening to CNN haven't you?

All that said...Sorry if I hurt anybody's feelings..It's just that..can u guys pls stop talking about democracy~It this is what democracy is like, I'd rather not have it at all

[JohnHershman]

America.... chosen by God.... hmmm.... well a couple of the men who founded the country were Christians, but most were Deists and masons. I do not believe that the colonies were right in declaring war from a biblical perspective (once again i will be flamed) Doesnt the Bible say not to rebel against rulers? wasnt Rome MUCH harsher than Britian was and yet Jesus said not to rebel.... I do not think this nation was founded righteously....


anyway... I have to disagree with the whole jist of the post... I think america was a liberating army that has done a great deal of Good across the world esp in Iraq. Also have you looked lately? The terrorist there are hitting people from there own country as well.

[piggy]

ok. i'll go this far and this is my last post on this crap inflated thread. at least the american soldiers are doing something rather than sitting at thier houses typing crap about how bad everyone else is. as are the bombers.
to point this out, i am neutral. i do not care either way.

[ISSAC RU]

anyway... I have to disagree with the whole jist of the post... I think america was a liberating army that has done a great deal of Good across the world esp in Iraq. Also have you looked lately? The terrorist there are hitting people from there own country as well.

Tell me why America is a liberater? How come America has the right
to invade other countries without a reason ?
A great deal of good ? YOu been watching CNN haven't you?
[ CNN special report : Most iraqis support American invasion. ]
Next day I will send a few million army invade america , bomb everything
you have kill all the ones you love..and I will just call myself liberater..
Sweet?
Those terrorist are hitting those who cooperate with the evil ones.
They have the reason to eliminate traitors in order to secure their own
country.

One simple question for everyone here :
What was the reason for America invade Iraq ?
America said it was WMD , but where is the WMD?
NO WMD , which makes America barbaric invader.
Bring freedom and democracy is just a slogan for new
american world domination.

[The great I AM]

To Issac Ru: You should change your signature to "I just started thinking yesterday"

All your arguements are so heinously one sided. You appear to know nothing about a concept called "the flip side of the coin". I fear that the canadian education system is failing you, and you will grow up to be a very average road sweeper. Congratulations on your career.

[crabbi]

To Issac Ru: You should change your signature to "I just started thinking yesterday"

All your arguements are so heinously one sided. You appear to know nothing about a concept called "the flip side of the coin". I fear that the canadian education system is failing you, and you will grow up to be a very average road sweeper. Congratulations on your career.
Nice one TgIA...

...and I repeat the quotes that I put in another thread:

"The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposed ideas in mind at the same time and still retain the ability to function."
-F. Scott Fitzgerald

"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it."
-Aristotle

“The line between good and evil runs through every single heart.”
- Alexander Solzhenitzyn

[projectnavi]

anyway... I have to disagree with the whole jist of the post... I think america was a liberating army that has done a great deal of Good across the world esp in Iraq. Also have you looked lately? The terrorist there are hitting people from there own country as well.


well, if you just look at the hatred for the US that is spread worldwide, i think you might be wrong. American's foreign politics have been causing lots of damage, i think.

but why are we even discussing such an issue in here ? i think it has been over talked since 9-11, and just brings haters like Ru together.

let's just hope for peace...

[Paikea]

sorry for a double post, but..

...I don't remember the US launching missles into the Rio Grande or any of the Great Lakes like N. Korea did when it launched a missle over the Japan Sea and into the Pacific Ocean.We dropped a Skylab on parts of Australia once - we're sorry.

[Paikea]

America.... chosen by God.... hmmm.... well a couple of the men who founded the country were Christians, but most were Deists and masons. I do not believe that the colonies were right in declaring war from a biblical perspective (once again i will be flamed) Doesnt the Bible say not to rebel against rulers? wasnt Rome MUCH harsher than Britian was and yet Jesus said not to rebel.... I do not think this nation was founded righteously....


anyway... I have to disagree with the whole jist of the post... I think america was a liberating army that has done a great deal of Good across the world esp in Iraq. Also have you looked lately? The terrorist there are hitting people from there own country as well.Plonk file, for sure.

[D'Artagnan]

blahblahblahblahblahblahblah usual Issac Ru adolescent tedious witterings

...When I was young ... blahblahblahblah

past tense??? hahaha, perhaps when you are actually old enough to say things like that you'll probably look look back on these posts and think 'god I was such a stupid kid'.

Why don't you go back to worrying about getting your homework done in time and whether or not your skate board is cooler than your mates'.

[JohnHershman]

what the heck is a plonk file?

[drizzt]

past tense??? hahaha, perhaps when you are actually old enough to say things like that you'll probably look look back on these posts and think 'god I was such a stupid kid'.

Why don't you go back to worrying about getting your homework done in time and whether or not your skate board is cooler than your mates'.

I have said it before and ill say it again. i think Isaac is a ten to 14 year old american or canadian youth, who likes to make trouble. I also beleive he has some alternate personalitys(wich this name may be an alternate to........for all i know hes crabbi or fonsz trying to tick people off LOL). I also doughbt he is a native born Chinese, or has ever visited China.

Isaac in all honosty, if you made ANY sense in the dribble you posted, i could respect you. But you babble with no coherency, no sentence structure(not as though mine is perfect, but at least organize your thoughts, and attempt to use some basic english grammar), and making no sense.

PLEASE, make some inteligent conversation. talk coherently, and we will talk about politics happily with you

[drizzt]

what the heck is a plonk file?

im wondering this to?

[Hank]

im wondering this to?Plonk=killfile=ignorelist

Hank.

[SOLDIER]

well here is what know.....

1.first of all "I'am" a soldier, an infantryman to be specific.
2.when we go back to Iraq , it is because we were told(ordered) to.

no rational man likes violence. i do not condone our bad actions as americans in Iraq..but i go where iam told. and i will take the good with the bad until i retire or get killed ....sometimes things just are . and it is futile to try to understand them...i can say this though--why worry yourself about the fate or future of a people that you personally will never help? what i mean is before "we" went over there , before "we" parcticipated in this incursion...what were you (to whom it applies) doing to make life better for Iraqi's???? what i mean is that Saadam has been killing people and torturing people for years ..the iraqi's never had any rights and it seemed to never bother anyone ....like i said before "we" went...you can argue the point ...oh , it is a oil war...oh it is a christian war....until "you " go over there and do your share good or bad...deliver a Iarqi baby on a dirt street , have a young kid taste gatorade for the first time.be temperate and understand there are always two sides to every story.....

[rainmaker]

I always scared of Bush's decision about invading Iraq. But after I read Issac Ru's comment, we really need Bush to protect us from dumb ass like Issac Ru, A communist stalker living in Vancouver with Jewish name and also a homophobia. funny, ha ha...




America has no right to talk about Human human rights or
making the world better when they are the biggest liar and
invader in the world. Just because N.Korea has a few missle , they
say N.Korea is dangerous country to the world....WTF? LMAO
How many ICBM missles do the Americans have? ARE YOU
A DANGER THE WORLD? Appearently , Yes. America has
milltary bases all over the world. 95 of them , they can launch
a missle attack on anywhere in the earth in 90 minutes , is that
Terrorism? YES..

[KhawMengLee]

well here is what know.....

1.first of all "I'am" a soldier, an infantryman to be specific.
2.when we go back to Iraq , it is because we were told(ordered) to.

no rational man likes violence. i do not condone our bad actions as americans in Iraq..but i go where iam told. and i will take the good with the bad until i retire or get killed ....sometimes things just are . and it is futile to try to understand them...i can say this though--why worry yourself about the fate or future of a people that you personally will never help? what i mean is before "we" went over there , before "we" parcticipated in this incursion...what were you (to whom it applies) doing to make life better for Iraqi's???? what i mean is that Saadam has been killing people and torturing people for years ..the iraqi's never had any rights and it seemed to never bother anyone ....like i said before "we" went...you can argue the point ...oh , it is a oil war...oh it is a christian war....until "you " go over there and do your share good or bad...deliver a Iarqi baby on a dirt street , have a young kid taste gatorade for the first time.be temperate and understand there are always two sides to every story.....

Its not our place to question 'why?'
But rather to do and die.

No qualms against soldiers. Iraq or Vietnam, the men went and did their duty. Its just a shame that this administration is still around and good people have to die on both sides.

[Theodore]

Its not our place to question 'why?'
But rather to do and die.

No qualms against soldiers. Iraq or Vietnam, the men went and did their duty. Its just a shame that this administration is still around and good people have to die on both sides.

Here's a summary of current evidence (http://powerlineblog.com/archives/010875.php) on the link between the 9/11 attack on the United States and the situation in Iraq.

[Andou]

Here's a summary of current evidence (http://powerlineblog.com/archives/010875.php) on the link between the 9/11 attack on the United States and the situation in Iraq.

I was watching JapanTV yesterday night with my folks...Iran is extremley pissed off about all of the United States' doings. There're billboards with anti-American statements on them. Now, I can see where all this anger comes from and I can sympathize with it...not all of our military history is flawless in intent and execution. But as an American I have to say that even though it is evident that we're the power to be reckoned with, it is a little scary to see everyone who hates us. Not just some bullshig (yes, shig) hatred like "Oh I hate the Americans, blah blah blah I know nothing about anyone" but the hatred like "If I see an American I swear I will shoot them right on the spot." and truly mean it...

[ISSAC RU]

I always scared of Bush's decision about invading Iraq. But after I read Issac Ru's comment, we really need Bush to protect us from dumb ass like Issac Ru, A communist stalker living in Vancouver with Jewish name and also a homophobia. funny, ha ha...

Keep suck ur Uncle Sam 's balls ....

[Anjin-san]

Classic ISAAC RUage... you have made my day.

[KhawMengLee]

Here's a summary of current evidence (http://powerlineblog.com/archives/010875.php) on the link between the 9/11 attack on the United States and the situation in Iraq.

Before the War on Iraq, AlQaida had no support in Iraq. Saddam is a Sunni, and Al Qaida are Shiites. They hate each other. They went to war with Iran using this as a battle line.

Al Qaida is in Iraq because the US invasion threw off the status quo and left a power gap which Al Qaida exploited. You must remember the majority of people in Iraq are Shiites and very pro Iran. The Iranians during the early years of the war were on the onslaught through Iraq. Saddam was supported by the West(Britain, US and France) much like Osama was(hello hello) because his ideology supported their policy.

They were quite happy to justify his use of chemical weapons because it was the only way to stop the Iranian forces cold.

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The US has used a number of 'unethical' options in the past to get what it wants. In the 80's the US supported the Salvador Option (http://msnbc.msn.com/id/6802629/site/newsweek/) funding death squads for political assasinations.

My gripe is Bush has farked up good and proper and instead of trying to present a solution he's still trying to say he hasn't screwed up. The was on Iraq is a big mess that should not have happened. Saddam was a keystone to a bridge. As much of a bastard he is, if you pull him out the whole place collapses...you needed to build a proper foundation before tackling him...

[rainmaker]

Yup. You are gay. I am sure you will keep licking dead Mao's ball.. ha ha....

Keep suck ur Uncle Sam 's balls ....

[Theodore]

Before the War on Iraq, AlQaida had no support in Iraq. Saddam is a Sunni, and Al Qaida are Shiites. They hate each other.
Al Qaida is in Iraq because the US invasion threw off the status quo and left a power gap which Al Qaida exploited. You must remember the majority of people in Iraq are Shiites and very pro Iran. The Iranians during the early years of the war were on the onslaught through Iraq. Saddam was supported by the West(Britain, US and France) much like Osama was(hello hello) because his ideology supported their policy. They were quite happy to justify his use of chemical weapons because it was the only way to stop the Iranian forces cold.

************************************************** ********

The US has used a number of 'unethical' options in the past to get what it wants. In the 80's the US supported the Salvador Option (http://msnbc.msn.com/id/6802629/site/newsweek/) funding death squads for political assasinations.

My gripe is Bush has farked up good and proper and instead of trying to present a solution he's still trying to say he hasn't screwed up. The was on Iraq is a big mess that should not have happened. Saddam was a keystone to a bridge. As much of a bastard he is, if you pull him out the whole place collapses...you needed to build a proper foundation before tackling him...

You might want to rethink your contention that there was no link between Iraq under Saddam and the 9/11 attack. (http://socalpundit.com/blog/index.php/2005/06/29/proof-saddam-complicit-in-911/)

Also, the Shiite/Sunni split isn't as important as you might think. Remember Hitler and Stalin were allies when it suited their purposes. "The enemy of my enemy is my friend."

[Hisham]

Before the War on Iraq, AlQaida had no support in Iraq. Saddam is a Sunni, and Al Qaida are Shiites. They hate each other. They went to war with Iran using this as a battle line.


Actually Saddam is a baatist (the Baat party's ideology is based on communism/stalinism) party assasin, which he was in a lesser scale before the coup, AlQaida are wahabists if you had to link em to a bigger group then it's an extremist branch of the sunni school.


Al Qaida is in Iraq because the US invasion threw off the status quo and left a power gap which Al Qaida exploited. You must remember the majority of people in Iraq are Shiites and very pro Iran. The Iranians during the early years of the war were on the onslaught through Iraq. Saddam was supported by the West(Britain, US and France) much like Osama was(hello hello) because his ideology supported their policy.


Rumsfeld himself shaked that man's hand, ah the irony :rolleyes:


They were quite happy to justify his use of chemical weapons because it was the only way to stop the Iranian forces cold.


Indeed he was the man of the west against the Iranians, little did he know that someday he might become dispensable, like Noreaga and others. We like to call these guys the dogs of the rich west/north in third world countries, they represent the dellusion of "independance".


The US has used a number of 'unethical' options in the past to get what it wants. In the 80's the US supported the Salvador Option (http://msnbc.msn.com/id/6802629/site/newsweek/) funding death squads for political assasinations.


More specifically called the Black Ops.


As much of a bastard he is, if you pull him out the whole place collapses...you needed to build a proper foundation before tackling him...

The thing is how come we lowly people would have the common sense to understand that and not an administration, two things either they are stupid or just a front to corporate interests, i tend to favor the latter which is the case for most if not all the modern countries.

Its not our place to question 'why?'
But rather to do and die.


No qualms against soldiers. Iraq or Vietnam, the men went and did their duty. Its just a shame that this administration is still around and good people have to die on both sides.


As you said it's always the average people that pays the highest price, be it american, iraqui...etc so that a pocket which is as large as maybe all the 3rd world countries budget or more put together gets even larger. Human tragedy knows no border.

Tha blood on tha floor of tha tear is still dryin'
Cover tha spread sheets
Tha Dow Jones skyin'
Tha cell block live stock
Tha bodies they buyin - Rage against machine (and rightly so) lyrics -

[El Gringo]

You might want to rethink your contention that there was no link between Iraq under Saddam and the 9/11 attack. (http://socalpundit.com/blog/index.php/2005/06/29/proof-saddam-complicit-in-911/)

I would take that website with a very big pinch of salt, its almost as rightwing as Fox News.

[Paikea]

I would take that website with a very big pinch of salt, its almost as rightwing as Fox News.Agreed, "evidence" is objective and verifiable - these blogs are neither.

BTW - I now see little difference between Ali G's posts, Yowai's posts and Issac Ru. Well, Ali G. had humor and Yowai was somewhat more literate, I suppose.

[Theodore]

I would take that website with a very big pinch of salt, its almost as rightwing as Fox News.

You have to rebut facts with counter facts, not ad hominem argument. Be specific as to what the website linked to was incorrect.

Congress was clear about the Al Qaeda connection when it authorized the attack on Iraq. See paragraphs 10, 11 and 12 of the Congressional Resolution. (http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/middle_east/july-dec02/joint_resolution_10-11-02.html)

Many of the Congressional critics of the cause for the war apparently didn't read the resolution that they voted for, either that or they are totally hypocrites. (http://www.geocities.com/tom_slouck/iraq/congress_approves_war.html)

[Paikea]

Sorry Theodore, I'm not interested in getting into this one. It's not you, it's the subject matter...

[Theodore]

[QUOTE=Paikea]Agreed, "evidence" is objective and verifiable - these blogs are neither./QUOTE]

No, evidence is (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=evidence): A thing or things helpful in forming a conclusion or judgment.

It is up to the trier of fact, i.e., you, to give it the weight that it may or may not merit. So evidence can be biased. Relevant evidence is evidence which is probative (i.e., things which make a proposition more or less likely). If you are saying that the blogs are not probative, i.e., that they have a bias (admitted) you can attack them on that basis, but as stated above it is not enough to gainsay them, you have to come up with evidence which rebuts the statements made therein.

Arguments are like kendo, rhetoric (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhetoric) is the waza of thought. :)

[Paikea]

[QUOTE=Paikea]Agreed, "evidence" is objective and verifiable - these blogs are neither./QUOTE]

No, evidence is (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=evidence): A thing or things helpful in forming a conclusion or judgment.

It is up to the trier of fact, i.e., you, to give it the weight that it may or may not merit. So evidence can be biased. Relevant evidence is evidence which is probative (i.e., things which make a proposition more or less likely). If you are saying that the blogs are not probative, i.e., that they have a bias (admitted) you can attack them on that basis, but as stated above it is not enough to gainsay them, you have to come up with evidence which rebuts the statements made therein.

Arguments are like kendo, rhetoric (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhetoric) is the waza of thought. :)Nope, not gonna bite.

[drizzt]

Keep suck ur Uncle Sam 's balls ....

notice how isaac never responds mith more than a sentence to anything he cant cut and paste off a news site, then butcher up and post.

hey i think i struck something there. thats why he never has a coherent thought, hes cutting and pasting sections of website in for his posts.........

[Andou]

notice how isaac never responds mith more than a sentence to anything he cant cut and paste off a news site, then butcher up and post.

hey i think i struck something there. thats why he never has a coherent thought, hes cutting and pasting sections of website in for his posts.........

Hey man...I can cut and paste things off websites and come up with a 5 page essay and still pass English with it. Hahahaha sweet, sweet plagiarism. Then again...I don't put "ur" in my papers...so that might do the trick.

[drizzt]

like i said, he cuts, pastes, then butchers.

[drizzt]

I would take that website with a very big pinch of salt, its almost as rightwing as Fox News.

illd rather it be leftist as fox, instead of right wing hippies like 80% of the news media