Why are people so strict about spelling.

[Charuzu]

Why are people so strict about spelling on the Kendo-World fourms? As long as one understands what one is speaking about I dont really see how it matters.

[Trey]

It doesn't really matter, the idiotic fools that complain about it merely want post-count. :P

I'd love to see how this turns out under Flames....

[piggy]

Why are people so strict about spelling on the Kendo-World fourms? As long as one understands what one is speaking about I dont really see how it matters.

thats bad grammar...

just kidding. the only thing i notice is when people spell out thier post like were in a chat room. (for example, ur, 2, u, and all that jazz) but even that i dont mind. i just have to sit down, slow down and take some time to read it. it completely blows my mind...

[KhawMengLee]

Why are people so strict about spelling on the Kendo-World fourms? As long as one understands what one is speaking about I dont really see how it matters.

Why are Senseis so strict about proper posture, zanzhin and kiai? I mean, as long as I hit the target who needs the rest?

Since when was it okay to be lazy and ignorant? At the end, maybe you are right...it doesn't matter. BUT once again its your own personal discipline and pride.

[Charuzu]

KhawMengLee, That doesn't belong in this thread please post it in the proper thread. If you want to talk about it PM me or post it on the Flames section or disuss it in the Kashiwade thread. To be honest I apoligized and now you are posting where I post just to piss me off. Spelling has nothing to do with proper posture, zanzhin or kiai.

[KhawMengLee]

KhawMengLee, That doesn't belong in this thread please post it in the proper thread. If you want to talk about it PM me or post it on the Flames section or disuss it in the Kashiwade thread. To be honest I apoligized and now you are posting where I post just to piss me off. Spelling has nothing to do with proper posture, zanzhin or kiai.

Huh? Dude, its not a personal attack. And pissing someone off over the net is soooooooo unfullfiling.

As my Sensei said, "Dojo is life."

Do you tie your Keikogi and hakama knots properly, making sure your bogu himo is neat and even because Sensei tells you to? Or do you do it because you have pride in how you should appear? After keiko when you are in seiza after training, do you just collapse in a pile and dump your gear into your bogu bag? Or do you fold it properly and pack it neatly?

Kendo, as part of its training, teaches us to be tidy and not to cut corners. This is a good virtue to have and its a good life attitude. Its the same with your spelling and grammar. I'm not telling you how to live your life but I feel that lazyness and mistakes are not things we should accept.

[Charuzu]

hmmm... I miss understood. I'm a bit whinny after a warm welcome to some questions earlier.
Also, before I sent a report about that.... sorry, I've really been a arse this week. Baka, baka, baka, baka.
Mod people, forget what I said. Man I feel Dumb. >o<

I think I also sent some bad Rep. as soon as I can give more I'll give you positive Rep. to make up for it. I'm so sorry that I was so jugemental

Can you accept my apology?

[KhawMengLee]

Can you accept my apology?

For what? Don't worry about it.

[Trey]

Just browsing these forums, I've grown to look up to a lot of the members. People like KhawMengLee and Kaoru and a few other people. Hehe

I guess what I posted before...
It doesn't really matter, the idiotic fools that complain about it merely want post-count. :P

I'd love to see how this turns out under Flames....
...Was a bit immature and foolish of me. I mean I don't like people getting mad at people for such menial things, and it's probably wrong to do so. Yet I myself kind of get annoyed seeing all the chat abbreviations. They tend to bother me. Obviously, how someone talks, or types, shows a lot about that person. Personally I can see myself looking up to, and respecting people a lot more, due to how properly and correctly they talk or type, compared to the people who just cut corners, and do it the wrong way because it makes it easier. Even if what the person cutting corners is talking about is respectable and is of a good point.

[Trey]

If the one making mistakes (Not 'cutting corners') isn't familiar with the Language it's completely different. I respect anyone who takes on a second language, it's not easy. I want to learn Japanese quite a bit, but it's really hard for me, especially because I'm homeschooled. :P

I just wanted to make it clear that what I said doesn't apply to people making mistakes or errors because it's not their first language. :)

[h2o]

Since there is a quite large amount of people on this board that has english as a second language, writing understandably is important.
I don't really care if the spelling is wrong if the flag next to someones name is swedish, italian, chinese, etc., but I do get a little irritated when people with US or UK flags have a sloppy spelling. I donät really care if long hard words are misspelled (since I would probably not always notice :wink:) but when there is a large amount of "y0 hav I s33n yo b4?" i can get a bit grumpy.

And yes, I am this finicky when it comes to swedes writing swedish as well :cool:

[Charuzu]

Since there is a quite large amount of people on this board that has english as a second language, writing understandably is important.
I don't really care if the spelling is wrong if the flag next to someones name is swedish, italian, chinese, etc., but I do get a little irritated when people with US or UK flags have a sloppy spelling. I donät really care if long hard words are misspelled (since I would probably not always notice :wink:) but when there is a large amount of "y0 hav I s33n yo b4?" i can get a bit grumpy.

And yes, I am this finicky when it comes to swedes writing swedish as well :cool:

That was a very intresting point that you have brought up. I have never botherd to view things that way. I think that I might eye over my posts more next time.

[The great I AM]

Who cares about the spelling nazis, really? Its not like this is an english literature discussion board now is it?

A bit of perspective from some people would be nice every now and then eh?

[h2o]

Who cares about the spelling nazis, really? Its not like this is an english literature discussion board now is it?

A bit of perspective from some people would be nice every now and then eh?
"Spelling nazis" are one thing. I don't care if people misspell difficult words. It's the ones using slang I get irritated at. I am quite familiar with formal english, but some forum posts use such an excess of slang expressions and AOL/1337-speak that it takes me a long time to decipher it. If you have english as your first language, it is probably not a problem to you, since you have probably seen or used the expressions and slang yourself, but for us foreigners it can be a hard time.
I mean, if I was visiting a forum with swedish as only allowed language, and it was inhabited by a lot of foreigners I wouldn't be using the slang that exists in my language since that would probably make a lot of people confused.
I think that if you know a language, you should use it as good as you can if it is used in a formal context (which I consider all public internet forums to be). If you don't know all grammatic rules, so be it, but if you do: use them.


Actually, I think the number of threads using "bad" language on KW is quite low. The only thing that came to my mind was that a lot of people don't capitalize the i in I. God that's annoying :D

[Hyaku]

Why are people so strict about spelling on the Kendo-World fourms? As long as one understands what one is speaking about I dont really see how it matters.

Well I fink it has sumthing to do with an abiliti to be able to debate a subject in propa inglish?

Use a spell checker.

[Anjin-san]

Sometimes people correct your spelling when they're wrong, they know it, and they're trying to assert dominance.

[Hank]

Why are people so strict about spelling on the Kendo-World fourms? As long as one understands what one is speaking about I dont really see how it matters.Good spelling is about respect for the reader. A mispelled word interrupts the flow of reading, especially when it's not just a mispelled word, but a misused one (your for you're - two totally different meanings). If English is your first language, learn how to spell it, look it up (www.m-w.com) or use a spell checker. It's really not that hard. Not hard at all.

Hank.

[Kingofmyrrh]

I'm probably one of the worst spelling-nazis around here. Although I'd never use it myself, I'm not too bothered about chat-speak. However, there are plenty of people around here (and bizarrely, most of from the UK or US) whose written english is so bad that it's difficult to actually understand what they're saying. It's not uncommon for me to hear people using the most distorted forms of the language even when they speak, which is frankly a bit worrying. Obviously everybody has their own particular dialects that they use only with members of their own groups, but when people can't even communicate properly with the greater population...
I'm not asking that everybody use big words or get every single word correct, but a little attention to our methods of communication would probably assist people in getting their point across in many cases.
Oh, and while I certainly make my fair share of mistakes, it's probably best to check that your correction is actually valid if you decide to criticize me, eh, Charlie-boy? Apology? Hmmm?

[The great I AM]

I'm probably one of the worst spelling-nazis around here. Although I'd never use it myself, I'm not too bothered about chat-speak. However, there are plenty of people around here (and bizarrely, most of from the UK or US) whose written english is so bad that it's difficult to actually understand what they're saying. It's not uncommon for me to hear people using the most distorted forms of the language even when they speak, which is frankly a bit worrying. Obviously everybody has their own particular dialects that they use only with members of their own groups, but when people can't even communicate properly with the greater population...
I'm not asking that everybody use big words or get every single word correct, but a little attention to our methods of communication would probably assist people in getting their point across in many cases.
Oh, and while I certainly make my fair share of mistakes, it's probably best to check that your correction is actually valid if you decide to criticize me, eh, Charlie-boy? Apology? Hmmm?

Ah, but this is a different arguement to simple spelling is it not? This goes down to peoples basic use of grammer and the fact that they write literally in the same way that they would speak. Or use their crap AOL-speak. I have a bug to bear with that but a little bad spelling here and there is nothing really. Don't know what all the fuss is about!

[JSchmidt]

As a furriner, I probably care more about spelling and grammer than I should.

While I know that my own writing style is a little strange, I do make an effort to make it readable, which includes spelling, grammer and punctuation and if people want their questions, comments, etc understood, well, they better do the same. Granted, furriners in general are excused, but they often write far more clearly than most teenagers from English speaking countries do!

Jakob

[ShinKenshi]

I dont' really mind when people misspell words here and there but what I do nuts about is the use of all the chat room slang that people seem to like using. Stuff like "u", "l8ter", etc. is annoying and for people that aren't used to it, it really interupts the flow of the post. There are a lot of non-native English speakers on this forum so, out of courtesy for them, I say nix the chat room shortcuts and English slang all together.

[bullet08]

personally, don't care if people draw picture to communicate. i have worked with large number of people with different cultural background to know that it's not what's written, or even how it's written.

spelling might be important to 3rd grade teachers who like to check every dots and crosses.. not i.

pete

[Paikea]

Why are Senseis so strict about proper posture, zanzhin and kiai? I mean, as long as I hit the target who needs the rest?

Since when was it okay to be lazy and ignorant? At the end, maybe you are right...it doesn't matter. BUT once again its your own personal discipline and pride.It DOES matter, if you can't take the time to write your thoughts down properly, how much effort did it take to generate them in the first place?

[Paikea]

Granted, furriners in general are excused, but they often write far more clearly than most teenagers from English speaking countries do!It's pretty easy to distinguish English as a second language from the noise of poor thought processes and mindless trendy-ism of weblish...My own language skills are just this side of pathetic, I can speak some Spanish, but other than being able to swear effectively and order another pitcher of beer it's not very elegant.

[Charuzu]

"Spelling nazis" are one thing. I don't care if people misspell difficult words. It's the ones using slang I get irritated at. I am quite familiar with formal english, but some forum posts use such an excess of slang expressions and AOL/1337-speak that it takes me a long time to decipher it. If you have english as your first language, it is probably not a problem to you, since you have probably seen or used the expressions and slang yourself, but for us foreigners it can be a hard time.
I mean, if I was visiting a forum with swedish as only allowed language, and it was inhabited by a lot of foreigners I wouldn't be using the slang that exists in my language since that would probably make a lot of people confused.
I think that if you know a language, you should use it as good as you can if it is used in a formal context (which I consider all public internet forums to be). If you don't know all grammatic rules, so be it, but if you do: use them.


Actually, I think the number of threads using "bad" language on KW is quite low. The only thing that came to my mind was that a lot of people don't capitalize the i in I. God that's annoying :D

Intrestingly enough I once had a japanese penpal who easly weote AOL speak! In fact she was probally better at english than my classmates! (But thats not saying much)

[Kingofmyrrh]

Ah, but this is a different arguement to simple spelling is it not? This goes down to peoples basic use of grammer and the fact that they write literally in the same way that they would speak. Or use their crap AOL-speak. I have a bug to bear with that but a little bad spelling here and there is nothing really. Don't know what all the fuss is about!
I agree that I have gone a little further, but I don't think it's completely different. Your prose is completely legible, despite the odd error here or there like 'grammer' or 'arguement' (don't mind me, you know I can't help being a cock!). On the other hand, people like my old buddy charuzu here have spelling so bad that it takes me twice as long to read what he's written than it should - which makes me want to not bother.

Oh, BTW, I picked up the Iain Banks you recommended. I'll start it after practice this evening.

[tattooedasshole]

It DOES matter, if you can't take the time to write your thoughts down properly, how much effort did it take to generate them in the first place?
This is the crux of it. When you don't take the time and try to spell properly, it reflects negatively on your intelligence. Whether that image is true or not is irrelevant. The fact is, poor spelling reflects directly to intelligence.

People who are born in an English speaking country have learnt how to spell from their first days in school. As such, there really is no excuse for poor spelling. Also, since we are all typing this crap, all you need to do is run a spell check. 10 seconds of your life can keep you from looking stupid.

As for me, I look stupid no matter what I do, lmao.

[Charuzu]

(don't mind me, you know I can't help being a cock!).

I also said sorry. Why keep on bringing it up? What else do you want?

And please stop the personal attacks... it's very rude.

[Charuzu]

eh, Charlie-boy? Apology? Hmmm?

Shure, I'm sorry about mis-evaluating your grammer, and for that I apoligize. But the whole point of that is to show that spelling isn't as improtant as you think... I wasn't using AOL or 1334_H@x0r speek. Yet, you were talking to me as if I were a moron and I do not apprecate that.
Besides, it was meant as a joke. God. -_-

Here is a plan. Get your-self a ice coold beer, go to by blog, go to the techno links, go to Lou's site and download" ミラーボール". That should cool you down a bit.
(http://www.muzie.co.jp/cgi-bin/artist.cgi?id=a016241)

[Wes Nazo]

Normally, I don't point out if someone has misspelled. I do however, unconciously think less of that person's intelligence if they don't even try to spell correctly. I'm also more likely to dismiss whatever they have to say or sometimes, not bother reading the rest of the post.

[Charuzu]

Grrr... I just notices some errors in my last post for example I spelled cold coold and my by. But If we were to go back to correct our spelling their would be 1,000's of posts that only have to do with spelling errors. Anyone agree/disagree? (or mabie I'm just screwing up again)

[Hank]

Grrr... I just notices some errors in my last post for example I spelled cold coold and my by. But If we were to go back to correct our spelling their would be 1,000's of posts that only have to do with spelling errors. Anyone agree/disagree? (or mabie I'm just screwing up again)The point is to do it before you post. Posting about your own spelling error is just making it worse. A lot of people here post huge amounts of crap anyway - it would be good for them to take a minute and spell-check, then maybe the crap-post-count would go down slightly.

Hank.

[fe-taru tora]

The point is to do it before you post. Posting about your own spelling error is just making it worse. A lot of people here post huge amounts of crap anyway - it would be good for them to take a minute and spell-check, then maybe the crap-post-count would go down slightly.

Hank.


This is true, but, sometimes I post at 3 -4 am or when I have literally 5 seconds to post like when I sneek in some kendo-world time at work, like now. But we really shouldn't be that crucial about spelling to the point we are making personal attacks on the quick fingered. ;) I'm not saying you are, but others find it fun to pick on a 15 year old kid

[Mugu]

Don't a lot of native English speakers always say they know two languages? Good English and Bad English? I don't know about you, I'm Chinese. But I know many horrible native English speakers who can't spell at all. That doesn't bother me any bit. Anywayz (intentionally), what the heck has kendo to do with speaking a language all your life? It tells nothing about a person is being sloppy. I have horrible memory myself, I sometimes just get confused such as the word misspell, is it 2 s? :D I sometime type the same word twice. Though, sometimes I intentionally misspell something such as kute and anywayz; that represent my own personality. You can't spell or intentionally misspell something doesn't mean you're sloppy... and it doesn't mean you're a slob at Kendo. Not everyone was a spelling bee champion. So you can forget about perfect English.

[Kingofmyrrh]

I also said sorry. Why keep on bringing it up? What else do you want?

And please stop the personal attacks... it's very rude.
That wasn't aimed at you, it was aimed at Gibbo AKA the great I AM (although I was actually abusing myself). I didn't mean to attack you at all this time. I'm not sure why you thought I was, but I'm sorry if you were offended by this particular comment.

[Kingofmyrrh]

Oh, OK, I see what you mean. I concede that I was a little flippant over the whole thing, but I do think that you might want to seriously consider a spelling upgrade. After all, on this forum our writing is the only real way we have of representing ourselves to those that we don't know in person. As they say, first impressions do count. Don't worry though, no matter what you decide on I'm not going to bother you about it again.

[Hank]

This is true, but, sometimes I post at 3 -4 am or when I have literally 5 seconds to post like when I sneek in some kendo-world time at work, like now. But we really shouldn't be that crucial about spelling to the point we are making personal attacks on the quick fingered. ;) I'm not saying you are, but others find it fun to pick on a 15 year old kidIt's all about respect. People who consistently don't spell well (and I'm not talking about the occasional typo) don't respect the reader. It takes 10 seconds to type into a word-processing program first, spell check, then cut and paste into the forum.

I don't think I've ever corrected someone's spelling online. As a first impression (and a lingering one), a poor speller is going to have a little less respect from me, as he has less for me. And, as with Wes Nazo, I'm going to unconsciously think the poster is of low intelligence. 15 years old is the perfect time to learn that spelling matters quite a bit in the real world and that it is very easy to ensure reasonably good spelling.

Hank.

[Charuzu]

Oh, OK, I see what you mean. I concede that I was a little flippant over the whole thing, but I do think that you might want to seriously consider a spelling upgrade. After all, on this forum our writing is the only real way we have of representing ourselves to those that we don't know in person. As they say, first impressions do count. Don't worry though, no matter what you decide on I'm not going to bother you about it again.

Sorry, but I am kinda on edge thus I over-react. A fully accept your appoligy. Friends?
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And as for judging people on spelling... I think that that is a bit shallow. In fact, I don't think that you can really judge anyone by how they write although I know that many people have studyed it. I rember seeing something on the History channel about how the nazi regime had a interviewing process where they looked at how people wrote, sat, walked, spoke, ect. I can't rember that the (psudo?)science was called. Man I hate my memmory.

I guess that that gives a whole new meaning to 'spelling nazis', lol (j/k)

(For those of you who don't know j/k means Joking)

[Kingofmyrrh]

Sorry, but I am kinda on edge thus I over-react. A fully accept your appoligy. Friends?
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And as for judging people on spelling... I think that that is a bit shallow. In fact, I don't think that you can really judge anyone by how they write although I know that many people have studyed it. I rember seeing something on the History channel about how the nazi regime had a interviewing process where they looked at how people wrote, sat, walked, spoke, ect. I can't rember that the (psudo?)science was called. Man I hate my memmory.

I guess that that gives a whole new meaning to 'spelling nazis', lol (j/k)

(For those of you who don't know j/k means Joking)
Hey, I'm always in a good mood! I'm perfectly happy to be on good terms.
Even if judging people on their spelling is shallow, it's a fact of life. Ever sit an exam? Ever apply for a job (maybe not yet because of your age, but I'm sure you will before too long)? In all kinds of situations, like it or not, people will be judging you on your spelling. Here we can have a light-hearted laugh and make a joke about it, but elsewhere you don't always get another chance. That's why, aside from my freakish enjoyment of the english language, I do feel that spelling is an important thing in this world.
Oh, and by the way, I always thought j/k was just kidding - but perhaps this time you've taught me something!

[Charuzu]

Even if judging people on their spelling is shallow, it's a fact of life. Ever sit an exam? Ever apply for a job
But this isn't a exam or a job application. We are here to have fun and learn. (In my oppion)

people will be judging you on your spelling.
I expect better from kendoka :)

Oh, and by the way, I always thought j/k was just kidding - but perhaps this time you've taught me something!
Touché, you got me there.

Well I'm glad we got that out of the way \_(^o^ ;)_/

[KhawMengLee]

It DOES matter, if you can't take the time to write your thoughts down properly, how much effort did it take to generate them in the first place?

Dude...I agree. But in retrospect, what can we do about it if people don't care. That's what I meant in my post. My opinion is that it matters but then it matters not when the person it matters to cares not.(muahahahaa)

[Denker]

It's peer pressure. Duh.

For an example, let's use Little Jimbo. A young man of the tender age of 14 who has recently embarked on his journey into the internet. His parents feel that he is ready to take this modern day rite of passage; they have set up a computer with the internet for him to use. Tears in their eyes, they watch with pride as he connects to the World Wide Web.

Little Jimbo is an upstanding young man in the community. Truly a role model to other young men he knows. He of all people should be prepared for the trials that await him, shouldn’t he?

Little Jimbo slowly converges on something commonplace on the web. A chat room. He enters it, curious as to what the other denizens of the ‘highway were like. Suddenly, he is assaulted by hundreds of messages that he has never seen before, strange dialects consisting of numbers and single letters. Tentatively, Little Jimbo greets the room.

Unfortunately for Little Jimbo, it is not “cool” to write using proper spelling and grammar like his parents and teachers taught him to. He is taunted and teased mercilessly. The pressure builds and builds until Little Jimbo cracks.

Jimbo has given in to peer pressure. He has taken a puff off of the anti-grammar pipe. Poor, poor Jimbo. If only he understood the consequences his actions entail.

Suddenly, Jimbo’s parents begin to notice a change in him. He seems cold and distant. He is on the internet for long periods of time. He has become obnoxious and belligerent. He has become something wretched and terrible. He has become a grammar-gone in the dark side of the ‘net.

Can we truly blame young Jimbo? Can we really say that it is his fault for what he has become? Should we not, as a people, have properly instructed Jimbo in the journey he was beginning? Should we not have been those responsible guardians that keep an eye on our young? Why weren’t Jimbo’s parents there to protect him?

Yes, that’s right, it isn’t the fault of the people who use bad grammar. I mean, it’s not like this little story has given people a reason to shirk responsibility for their actions onto society or anything . . .

[GoldenShinai]

Why are people so strict about spelling on the Kendo-World fourms? As long as one understands what one is speaking about I dont really see how it matters.
Two words...GRAMMAR NAZIS!!!!


And by the way, it's FORUMS (only joking)

[mingshi]

There is a difference between typos, aol-speak and my-oppion-mattars-but-i-cant-speell:-

Typos are just mistakes people make 0.1% to 1% of the time.
Abbrev. is used when you are in a quick real-time conversation (chatroom) or with word limits (text messages).
"I can't spell" is a common excuse for people to take you seriously...

[Fai]

I feel that lazyness and mistakes are not things we should accept.

Dude I know you and LAZINESS is what you are about :D

[KhawMengLee]

Dude I know you and LAZINESS is what you are about :D

Of course mate!

We isz eckspurts.

[Fai]

Of course mate!

We isz eckspurts.

Init! muahahahahaa

actually anyone who use the word "init" should be shot!!!

[KhawMengLee]

Init! muahahahahaa

actually anyone who use the word "init" should be shot!!!

hahaha...yer durty fecker!

[Fai]

hahaha...yer durty fecker!
Indeed they are :)

[Kingofmyrrh]

And by the way, it's FORUMS (only joking)
If I really were king, it'd be fora for sure. Ah well...

[fe-taru tora]

hahaha...yer durty fecker!



You guys are crazy. It's always a good thing to see us all playing nice now ;) . Everyone here is awsome we should be happy to have this forum so we can be such a close community. Do ya feel the LOVE :P

[Paikea]

It's peer pressure. Duh.

For an example, let's use Little Jimbo. A young man of the tender age of 14 who has recently embarked on his journey into the internet. His parents feel that he is ready to take this modern day rite of passage; they have set up a computer with the internet for him to use. Tears in their eyes, they watch with pride as he connects to the World Wide Web.

Little Jimbo is an upstanding young man in the community. Truly a role model to other young men he knows. He of all people should be prepared for the trials that await him, shouldn’t he?

Little Jimbo slowly converges on something commonplace on the web. A chat room. He enters it, curious as to what the other denizens of the ‘highway were like. Suddenly, he is assaulted by hundreds of messages that he has never seen before, strange dialects consisting of numbers and single letters. Tentatively, Little Jimbo greets the room.

Unfortunately for Little Jimbo, it is not “cool” to write using proper spelling and grammar like his parents and teachers taught him to. He is taunted and teased mercilessly. The pressure builds and builds until Little Jimbo cracks.

Jimbo has given in to peer pressure. He has taken a puff off of the anti-grammar pipe. Poor, poor Jimbo. If only he understood the consequences his actions entail.

Suddenly, Jimbo’s parents begin to notice a change in him. He seems cold and distant. He is on the internet for long periods of time. He has become obnoxious and belligerent. He has become something wretched and terrible. He has become a grammar-gone in the dark side of the ‘net.

Can we truly blame young Jimbo? Can we really say that it is his fault for what he has become? Should we not, as a people, have properly instructed Jimbo in the journey he was beginning? Should we not have been those responsible guardians that keep an eye on our young? Why weren’t Jimbo’s parents there to protect him?

Yes, that’s right, it isn’t the fault of the people who use bad grammar. I mean, it’s not like this little story has given people a reason to shirk responsibility for their actions onto society or anything . . . Mr. Denker's one of ours...:)

[Paikea]

Dude...I agree. But in retrospect, what can we do about it if people don't care. That's what I meant in my post. My opinion is that it matters but then it matters not when the person it matters to cares not.(muahahahaa)I understood, and we agree. What's interesting is that those who insist that we are unfairly judging them based on their poor communication skills are also shocked and insulted when they get ignored.

What can we do? Pay attention to people with something to say, and ignore the ones that don't. It's really sad that the vast majority of these seem to be young American males between the ages of 12 and 17.

[piggy]

You guys are crazy. It's always a good thing to see us all playing nice now ;) . Everyone here is awsome we should be happy to have this forum so we can be such a close community. Do ya feel the LOVE :P


oh i feel something touching me...or maybe someone

[Paikea]

A suggestion for the spelling-challenged: http://toolbar.google.com/ it won't fix your grammar, but it may improve the chances of getting a decent reply to your post.

[Frame]

i'm in agreement here with everyone, it's not spelling/ grammar, it's the damn AOL 1337 1 p\v/n3d j00 style which i really can't be arsed with. I've said this in a few posts before but it seemed to get ignored

DAGNAMIT

[stephanie dee]

Hell, i can't spell at the best of times, so as long as people know what I mean and it's basically right, then I don't mind.

How the hell I got an A for my GCSE English Lit & Lang and a B for A Level English is beyond me!

[stephanie dee]

i'm in agreement here with everyone, it's not spelling/ grammar, it's the damn AOL 1337 1 p\v/n3d j00 style which i really can't be arsed with. I've said this in a few posts before but it seemed to get ignored

DAGNAMIT

Only just read that! Sorry for the double post, I hate that text talk too.

How ru? Yeh am gr8, av a gud nite luv me x

What the f...?

[drizzt]

oh lord i didnt see this


I'm telling ya'll you shouldnt anger the grammar Nazi's Fuhrer. He gets cranky.......

[drizzt]

i'm in agreement here with everyone, it's not spelling/ grammar, it's the damn AOL 1337 1 p\v/n3d j00 style which i really can't be arsed with. I've said this in a few posts before but it seemed to get ignored

DAGNAMIT


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. that was good.......

just out of curiousity, care to explain what that means(i dont read jibberish...)

[Charuzu]

A suggestion for the spelling-challenged: http://toolbar.google.com/ it won't fix your grammar, but it may improve the chances of getting a decent reply to your post.

I'll pass on that one. I am who I am... mispellings and all. Besides in my mind If they won't read my post becuse I spell some words wrong.... so what ^o^

Besides..... damm what was I thinking again...... gahh I hate my memmory! Bad memmory...... baka, baka, baka, baaaakkkkaaaa! >o<

PS - Hotdog!!

[Charuzu]

OH! Also, by any chance are you a english teacher Paikea? Or an 'A' student perhaps???

[Hai_hai]

Why are people so strict about spelling on the Kendo-World fourms? As long as one understands what one is speaking about I dont really see how it matters.
There is a comma missing.

[Hai_hai]

OH! Also, by any chance are you a english teacher Paikea? Or an 'A' student perhaps???
You are a fool.

[Paikea]

OH! Also, by any chance are you a english teacher Paikea? Or an 'A' student perhaps???Little man, you best tread very carefully now.

You'd never guess that I graduated in the top 53% of my class, been a Forester, Crab Fisherman and Oceanographer in my time and enjoy hanging out in places where pipsqueak kids are considered an appetizer, would you? Fool is a classification you need to work up to - you're not quite there yet.

Viva Hussong's, The Salty Dawg and The Schooner.

Hai_Hai, can I assume your old Pirate character for awhile?

[ShinKenshi]

OH! Also, by any chance are you a english teacher Paikea? Or an 'A' student perhaps??? Dude, be careful. No need to start insulting people or anything.

[Charuzu]

Dude, be careful. No need to start insulting people or anything.

Paika... It wasn't meant as a insult but an actual question. I understand though... It's hard to tell the diffrence on-line. (No tone of the voice)

Hai_hai... someone needs a hug!

[Wes Nazo]

Hai_hai... someone needs a hug!

...have you asked out that girl yet?

[Charuzu]

PS - Besides... It wouldn't make any sense for me to say that in a deragatory sense. Becuse If I'm calling you stupid what does that make me. Also, others... you should ask for clarifications before you jump to conclusions.

Peace

[Charuzu]

...have you asked out that girl yet?

No, not yet. I'm waiting for my situation to improve a bit.

also Little man, you best tread very carefully now.

You'd never guess that I graduated in the top 53% of my class, been a Forester, Crab Fisherman and Oceanographer in my time and enjoy hanging out in places where pipsqueak kids are considered an appetizer, would you? Fool is a classification you need to work up to - you're not quite there yet.

Viva Hussong's, The Salty Dawg and The Schooner.

Hai_Hai, can I assume your old Pirate character for awhile?
Ummmm... you really shouldn't jump to conclusions.

[The great I AM]

No, not yet. I'm waiting for my situation to improve a bit.

also
Ummmm... you really shouldn't jump to conclusions.

Waiting for what exactly, someone else to snap her up while you are sitting at home typing stuff on a kendo forum about bad spelling?

Go get her! And if she says no but lets be friends, kill her dog.

[Kingofmyrrh]

Also, others... you should ask for clarifications before you jump to conclusions.
To prevent others jumping to conclusions, I always make an effort to check that what I have written is clear and lucid. That includes good spelling! You've said that you don't care if people don't listen because of your bad spelling, but now you're getting worried over confusion caused by your poor presentation. I'm not trying to attack you, just providing another reason why presentation (and that includes spelling) is important.

[Charuzu]

To prevent others jumping to conclusions, I always make an effort to check that what I have written is clear and lucid. That includes good spelling! You've said that you don't care if people don't listen because of your bad spelling, but now you're getting worried over confusion caused by your poor presentation. I'm not trying to attack you, just providing another reason why presentation (and that includes spelling) is important.


It's not about spelling but the problem of understanding via diffrent media. If Paikea or ShinKenshi were in a room with me and I said it no problems would have arose, but on-line you can't hear the person speak so you might confuse "Your so smart" with "Your *soo* smart".


Rember when I lashed out at you on page 3 when you were not even talking to me? It's the same thing. Looking back I probally should of put a side note describing my intentions. But in my oppion they should of asked how I used my words (And so should of I when on Page 3, sorry about that)

[The great I AM]

It's not about spelling but the problem of understanding via diffrent media. If Paikea or ShinKenshi were in a room with me and I said it no problems would have arose, but on-line you can't hear the person speak so you might confuse "Your so smart" with "Your *soo* smart".


Rember when I lashed out at you on page 3 when you were not even talking to me? It's the same thing. Looking back I probally should of put a side note describing my intentions. But in my oppion they should of asked how I used my words (And so should of I when on Page 3, sorry about that)

So kill His dog as well! That'll shut him up. And stick it in his bed when you're done.

[Andou]

So kill His dog as well! That'll shut him up. And stick it in his bed when you're done.

OR! Cut off his dog's head and then put THAT in his bed...a la Godfather... I think? Goodfellas...Ugh...I can't quite remember...Throw me a frickin' bone. I haven't been up in the AM since school ended.

[Charuzu]

So kill His dog as well! That'll shut him up. And stick it in his bed when you're done.

OK.... Now I'm even more lost??

[The great I AM]

OR! Cut off his dog's head and then put THAT in his bed...a la Godfather... I think? Goodfellas...Ugh...I can't quite remember...Throw me a frickin' bone. I haven't been up in the AM since school ended.

That was Godfather, if it was goodfellas then, er shoot his dog? Stick the dog in the overn? I dunno.

Do it ala Casino, and beat him and his dog up then bury them alive with each other in a shallow grave in the middle of nowhere!

Yeah. Gangsters.

[The great I AM]

OK.... Now I'm even more lost??

Just kill his dog, it'll all become clear....

[Andou]

Just kill his dog, it'll all become clear....

Ughhh. Wasn't Casino the movie when Pesci had...damn...what was it...some part of a guy's body in a vice? And...yeah I think that it didn't end to well after that...

[The great I AM]

Ughhh. Wasn't Casino the movie when Pesci had...damn...what was it...some part of a guy's body in a vice? And...yeah I think that it didn't end to well after that...

Yeah it was the guys head, he put it in a vice and popped his eyeball with it. Yeah!!! Stick his dogs head....er hang on, this is going away with me now....Actually I love dogs, especially Lassy and the Littlest Hobo.

[crabbi]

There is a comma missing.
..and an apostrophe...

[Paikea]

You really shouldn't jump to conclusions.Please stand by...

[Paikea]

Ummmm... you really shouldn't jump to conclusions.My Dear Charles,

I would be really easy to blow you away with all kinds of personal insults - rather like what you've thrown my way and others here since you started your latest fixation with the KW forums, but that's not productive and would prevent you from getting what I think is an important message...

I don't like you. I don't want to know you. I don't care about your mental problems, your girl problems or your claims to intellectual superiority. You contribute nothing but noise. I shall not respond to any posting you make here or elsewhere, nor any discussion you initiate. You are not worth my time. You make excuses for your own misbehavior and for that, I do feel sorry for you because your life will be sad and difficult. I see you as a smug, arrogant, rude, self-absorbed child screaming for attention, and once you are 15 or so, that's a personality characteristic that is likely to stay with you for the rest of your days. You reflect poorly on your parents, friends, dojo and community. I am grateful my own sons are nothing like you.

I firmly believe in the theory that there are only about six degrees of separation between every person on the planet, and considerably less than that in communities with more limited interests and popularity like Kendo and the JSAs as a whole. That means your reputation is generally within easy reach of anyone willing to try and uncover it. So, for example, should Charles Poltenson show up on a list of potential employees, scholarships, internships, etc - you're off. Why? Because I can't afford to take a risk with someone I have already formed such a negative opinion about. My reputation would be linked to yours and in your case, that will not happen. Similarly, if someone asks me about Charles Poltenson, I will tell them what I know, and most likely when I'm done you're off that list too. I am certain that you have impressed others in a similar way, and when you think about it what you're doing is closing doors before you've ever approached them. You may be capable of all sorts of fine things, but if never given the chance - what does it matter? It's a lovely power function, the lifetime of rejection you are sowing.

So, do yourself and the rest of us a favor, and (quietly) slink off to your next shallow obsession - what you're doing here is just another in what I believe to be a long series of attempts at gaining acceptance and looking cool.

[Kingofmyrrh]

It's not about spelling but the problem of understanding via diffrent media. If Paikea or ShinKenshi were in a room with me and I said it no problems would have arose, but on-line you can't hear the person speak so you might confuse "Your so smart" with "Your *soo* smart".


Rember when I lashed out at you on page 3 when you were not even talking to me? It's the same thing. Looking back I probally should of put a side note describing my intentions. But in my oppion they should of asked how I used my words (And so should of I when on Page 3, sorry about that)
Let's put it this way. A great deal of the time you spend here seems to be taken up with dealing with confusions or misunderstanding. I don't really have this problem, and neither, as far as I can tell, do others such as Paikea or JSchmidt (to name a couple of the many exemplary english users on this forum). That's not to say that arguments don't happen - they do - but when someone picks me up on something, the reason they do is generally because they have a genuine difference of opinion with me, not because they think that I've said something that I never even intended in the first place. In other words, we're able to communicate quite adequately via the internet. I should add that as somebody who despises smilies (just my personal taste) I've only ever used them twice on this forum when I was feeling particularly lazy. In other words, plain text is quite sufficient for communicating without mishap. If you want to avoid confusion, you might want to look into improving your presentation, including spelling. In fact, some of your spelling seems to have improved, so perhaps you're already trying; if so I congratulate you. It's a positive thing to get into good habits while you're young. The same statement applies to me.

[Hai_hai]

Cliff Notes
Charuzu,
We hate you. Have a nice day.

[Charuzu]

My Dear Charles,

I would be really easy to blow you away with all kinds of personal insults - rather like what you've thrown my way and others here since you started your latest fixation with the KW forums, but that's not productive and would prevent you from getting what I think is an important message...

Yes, I have made thoses mistakes and I appoligized for all of them. Every insult that I have said I have apoligized, so I'll say this again what else do you want??

I don't like you. I don't want to know you.
You don't have to... I'm just saying that you shouldn't just insult people becuse you think they said something

I don't care about your mental problems, your girl problems
I never asked you to.

or your claims to intellectual superiority.
I never said that.... in fact I gave you a complement in which you thought was a insult. It was in no way meant to be deragatory to you.

You contribute nothing but noise.
Yes and no.... rember this forum is for everyone and we all need to just get along.

I shall not respond to any posting you make here or elsewhere, nor any discussion you initiate. You are not worth my time.
Then isn't that just ignoring the problem? If you have a problem with me then just PM me and we can talk about this in a civil manner.

You make excuses for your own misbehavior and for that, I do feel sorry for you because your life will be sad and difficult.
The Excuses are eather appoligys, clarafications and sometimes.... excuses ... but I assure you that they are minimal

I see you as a smug, arrogant, rude, self-absorbed child screaming for attention, and once you are 15 or so, that's a personality characteristic that is likely to stay with you for the rest of your days.
I disagree but you are free to think what you want

You reflect poorly on your parents, friends, dojo and community.
When I posted the 'Kashiwade' post I made a huge mistake... can't you just accept my appoligy and let it rest?

I am grateful my own sons are nothing like you.
Rather harsh, don't you think??
I firmly believe in the theory that there are only about six degrees of separation between every person on the planet, and considerably less than that in communities with more limited interests and popularity like Kendo and the JSAs as a whole. That means your reputation is generally within easy reach of anyone willing to try and uncover it. So, for example, should Charles Poltenson show up on a list of potential employees, scholarships, internships, etc - you're off. Why? Because I can't afford to take a risk with someone I have already formed such a negative opinion about. My reputation would be linked to yours and in your case, that will not happen. Similarly, if someone asks me about Charles Poltenson, I will tell them what I know, and most likely when I'm done you're off that list too. I am certain that you have impressed others in a similar way, and when you think about it what you're doing is closing doors before you've ever approached them. You may be capable of all sorts of fine things, but if never given the chance - what does it matter? It's a lovely power function, the lifetime of rejection you are sowing.
So you have a lifetime gruge against me becuse of a stupid topic I created? I'm shure at one time you did sonething similar.

So, do yourself and the rest of us a favor, and (quietly) slink off to your next shallow obsession
Define "Rest of Us" please.

what you're doing here is just another in what I believe to be a long series of attempts at gaining acceptance and looking cool.
I assure you with all my heart that that is not the reason I came here. I came here to have fun and learn. Neverless of what happens I will continue to post unless I get banned.

But what I can't get is why you are passing this gruge along. OK... I made a HUGE mistake on the kashiwade post, but thats over now.... can't you just let it rest? The only insult that I gave you I apoligized for so why do you continue this???

[Andou]

This has gotten much further along than I would have ever expected...But as to the more recent posts, it's becoming increasingly clear that Charuzu, and I'm not saying this and taking any sides, but you seem to be digging yourself deeper into a hole of discredibillity. I'm not sure about the rest of the people who inhabit KWF, but nothing pisses me off more than a dissection of my post and individual comments to each section...it just gets to me for some reason. But I'm saying this for your own good, Charuzu. Paikea is a respected member of these forums and a nice guy from what I've experienced (and from what the general populous is reflecting), so I think it's best to just, as you say, let it rest. And remember...I'm not saying this to be an ass...just trying to help. For all I know, everyone secretly hates me behind my back...but...yeah...Just tryin' to help...

[Charuzu]

This has gotten much further along than I would have ever expected...But as to the more recent posts, it's becoming increasingly clear that Charuzu, and I'm not saying this and taking any sides, but you seem to be digging yourself deeper into a hole of discredibillity. I'm not sure about the rest of the people who inhabit KWF, but nothing pisses me off more than a dissection of my post and individual comments to each section...it just gets to me for some reason. But I'm saying this for your own good, Charuzu. Paikea is a respected member of these forums and a nice guy from what I've experienced (and from what the general populous is reflecting), so I think it's best to just, as you say, let it rest. And remember...I'm not saying this to be an ass...just trying to help. For all I know, everyone secretly hates me behind my back...but...yeah...Just tryin' to help...


I just can't stop myself from sending in a rebuttal to what people are saying about me. I'm just really upset that when I posted something as a complement everyone viewed it as a insult and is talking about how worthless I am. How would you react in this situation. I have appoligized for my insults but rather than recognize that I am sorry for what I did they just keep on posting slanderous comments about me.

In addition, I am just a little on edge after finding out that our house is up for sale. So I am really stressed out yet they just keep on comming disregarding all of my apologies or explanations.

[ShinKenshi]

If posting here adds to your stress, then take a break from it. The forum will still be here when you come back. The reason people keep thinking you're insulting them is because you pretty much started out that way here. Pick and choose your battles. I'm beginning to think that this is one you would be better off not fighting because it's just going to dig you deeper and deeper into a hole until you can't get out of it. Seiously, take a break from posting for a while and then, when you're stress level is down a bit and after you've thought things through, come back again. Sometimes people just need a breather from things.

[drizzt]

wanna take your stress level down...join in on the taunting of isaac Ru LOL

hes one of the few i have an issue withs spelling. usualy if its understandable it doesnt bother me, but he drives me INSANE

[piggy]

he drives me insane regardless of spelling.

[Charuzu]

If posting here adds to your stress, then take a break from it. The forum will still be here when you come back. The reason people keep thinking you're insulting them is because you pretty much started out that way here. Pick and choose your battles. I'm beginning to think that this is one you would be better off not fighting because it's just going to dig you deeper and deeper into a hole until you can't get out of it. Seiously, take a break from posting for a while and then, when you're stress level is down a bit and after you've thought things through, come back again. Sometimes people just need a breather from things.

Will do.

PS - As for ISSAC RYU the only thing that really bothers me is how he thinks it's OK for people A to die but a crime for people B to die. All life is equal. Also, fighting just leads to more fighting.

[tattooedasshole]

I just can't stop myself from sending in a rebuttal to what people are saying about me. I'm just really upset that when I posted something as a complement everyone viewed it as a insult and is talking about how worthless I am. How would you react in this situation. I have appoligized for my insults but rather than recognize that I am sorry for what I did they just keep on posting slanderous comments about me.

In addition, I am just a little on edge after finding out that our house is up for sale. So I am really stressed out yet they just keep on comming disregarding all of my apologies or explanations.
If you had gotten the hint to sit down, shut up, and listen in the first place, you wouldn't have this problem. When you start showing arrongance/ignorance, then that's what people are going to give right back. People tried to be kind. You wanted to argue. You reap what you sow.
Also, every one has their own stress. It's not an excuse for poor behaviour.

[Andou]

If you had gotten the hint to sit down, shut up, and listen in the first place, you wouldn't have this problem. When you start showing arrongance/ignorance, then that's what people are going to give right back. People tried to be kind. You wanted to argue. You reap what you sow.
Also, every one has their own stress. It's not an excuse for poor behaviour.

That's true no matter where you are. Usually, humbleness (is that even a word..?) can get you pretty far with how you are viewed in some people's eyes. Then again there was that whole "be a dick to get the girl because you have confidence" thing...but that's different. As for your rebuttals, I suggest them being as tattooed's suggestions: to sit down and stop. As for your house, I'm sorry to hear that, but as tattooed said once more, if you are under a lot of stress, don't let it bring you down to become someone or say something you wouldn't normally do. Like ShinKenshi said, take a break. It'll give you a chance to assess your situation and decide whether KWF is really something you should be doing. Kendo...of course, but KWF may not be. No disrespect to KWF...I love it, but still...Get my drift?

[tattooedasshole]

I think of it more as putting your foot in your mouth. Not so bad if you stop quickly. But when you've gotten to your knee, and you're still pushing... Well, you're just not going to get very polite answers.
Don't have to be humble, just smart enough to stop while you're ahead.

[piggy]

That's true no matter where you are. Usually, humbleness (is that even a word..?) can get you pretty far with how you are viewed in some people's eyes. Then again there was that whole "be a dick to get the girl because you have confidence" thing...but that's different. As for your rebuttals, I suggest them being as tattooed's suggestions: to sit down and stop. As for your house, I'm sorry to hear that, but as tattooed said once more, if you are under a lot of stress, don't let it bring you down to become someone or say something you wouldn't normally do. Like ShinKenshi said, take a break. It'll give you a chance to assess your situation and decide whether KWF is really something you should be doing. Kendo...of course, but KWF may not be. No disrespect to KWF...I love it, but still...Get my drift?


thank you for a great post andou. being humble is the best thing you can do. people prefer to be around those who are humble rather than those whom are jerks.

oh and you dont have to be male reproductive organs to be confident. it may get you a girl but think how deep the relationship will be.

oh and heres my advice. very similar to tattoed a**holes posts. apologize and be done. thats all you need to do. if you apologize and then make a comment about someone else, it shows that you're not sorry at all. not trying to be mean but like i said, apologize and reply with humble silence.

[Denker]

I can't describe how many times apologizing, admitting I was completely wrong, and then sitting down has saved me a lot of embarassment. Painfully have I learned that it's worth apologizing and admitting total fault even though I think the error belongs completely to the other person. Shirking the responsibility can only be bad for me. I am proud that I am responsible for angering people! Well, not proud that I do it, just proud that I can accept that it's really my fault.

Being able to talk with so many people is a privilege. Not a right. Because it is a privilege, I take the utmost care in maintaining this privilege. I try to keep it clean, well oiled, and safety conscious. If I feel that what I'm going to say will be misinterpreted I leave it up before it's posted, go do something else for a moment, and then come back and tweak it. I shudder to think that one of my sempais would come across one of my, ah, poorly worded posts and forget tenouchi in practice.

Be aware of your surroundings . . . Be aware of your situation . . . Be aware of the impact of your actions! Chaos theory is large and in charge; does anyone really want to have that butterfly they swatted cause a hurricane 20 years from then at their wedding?

I'm a teenager. I'm allowed to do things wrong at this point in my life . . . Only if I learn from what I do. When I do something wrong, I admit fault, try to rectify the situation, and say absolutely nothing to whoever called me on being wrong. If I am still wrong, I will apologize and ask them what I did wrong and how to fix it. Great fear lies in this one of forgotten tenouchi.

A wise man once told me, "Apologize not just for what you did, anyone can do that. Apologize also for how you impacted others. Removing the focus from yourself and placing it on others puts things into perspective."

- Matt

[Andou]

Denker, that quote is a mighty fine one if I do say so myself. If I may ask, who said it? But yeah...I hope all these posts helped you, Charlie, in seeing that everyone's not against you (well me at least) it's just we're trying to help you...

[Denker]

Denker, that quote is a mighty fine one if I do say so myself. If I may ask, who said it?

I remember who tells me what about as well as I remember what I ate for breakfast the previous week. Maybe it's just one of those things that floats around for people to pass on in the right situation. I think it's very applicable in a lot of situations. I'm glad that whoever told me that did tell me it.

[Andou]

I remember who tells me what about as well as I remember what I ate for breakfast the previous week. Maybe it's just one of those things that floats around for people to pass on in the right situation. I think it's very applicable in a lot of situations. I'm glad that whoever told me that did tell me it.

I see. I guess I'll put that one in my back pocket to pass on sometime too, then.

[Hai_hai]

I just can't stop myself from sending in a rebuttal to what people are saying about me. I'm just really upset that when I posted something as a complement everyone viewed it as a insult and is talking about how worthless I am. How would you react in this situation. I have appoligized for my insults but rather than recognize that I am sorry for what I did they just keep on posting slanderous comments about me.

In addition, I am just a little on edge after finding out that our house is up for sale. So I am really stressed out yet they just keep on comming disregarding all of my apologies or explanations.
Yeah, welcome to the 21st century.
Doozo yoroshiku.

[Toaster]

on my verry first post here i got a pm entitled (sp?) "Just for your information" completely slaging off my use of grammar and spelling. I'm not mentioning any names but i think that was completetly un called for!:rolleyes:

[Yiu Fai]

I personally would like to see all the people who speak English as their first language at least try their best to post with correct spelling and grammar. Not saying that everything has to be perfect, god only knows my spelling and grammar are not always on the mark, but I always try my best! (Kind of like my Kendo I guess...)

I'd like to add that I am of non-English speaking background, so what excuse do English-as-first-language-who-cant-spell people have for themselves??

Originally Posted by KhawMengLee

Kendo, as part of its training, teaches us to be tidy and not to cut corners. This is a good virtue to have and its a good life attitude. Its the same with your spelling and grammar. I'm not telling you how to live your life but I feel that lazyness and mistakes are not things we should accept.

Seconded!