How do you fight a jyodan or nito?

[Tenken]

These days there are many people doing jyodan or nito but my sensei never tells me the way to fight them. What is the best way to fight, if not defeat them in a tournament?

[Tenjo]

To much mind....?

More death then life.

[KhawMengLee]

These days there are many people doing jyodan or nito but my sensei never tells me the way to fight them. What is the best way to fight, if not defeat them in a tournament?

Aren't you the Jodan master? :wink:

[taganahan]

my own opion, tsuki the jodan player and run away from the nito....:ko:

~taganahan

[Musha]

I just try and ignore the different style and go for Right Kote! :D.

Ask Gmason.

[Deco]

You have quite a problem in your hand. I'm not a kendo master, i'm only a nidan. But my tips are:

Jodan: Fast do strike, tsuki is good too.

Nito: Hummmm, have some time to know your enemy, in nito the arm that is holding the long shinai has to be very strong. If it's not, a fast strike on men can be right. But you have to know that in nito you have 2 kotes to hit insted of one!!

Cheers and open your eye.

Deco

[Inouye02]

isn't the tsuki difficult to strike on a Jodan player ? and wouldn't both kote's be legal against Jodan also ?

[Andoru]

wouldn't both kote's be legal against Jodan also ?
Yup they're both legal as they would be above the mune.

[kendokamax]

Tenken since your doing jodan shouldnt you know? what are you the weakest against?

I dont have much experience vs jodan but I try to cut the extra distance that has the jodan player and play the nearest possible to them? dunno if thats a good idea or not.

[KhawMengLee]

Tenken since your doing jodan shouldnt you know? what are you the weakest against?

I dont have much experience vs jodan but I try to cut the extra distance that has the jodan player and play the nearest possible to them? dunno if thats a good idea or not.

I do the opposite. I tend to circle quickly around the jodan player and inch closer every time I step to the side to get within striking distance.

If I am fighting nito, I tend to change kamae, both my shoto and daito in chudan. The shoto resting just above the daito, when I move in I raise both shoto and daito together and strike men or kote and the shoto will always be there to shield.

[moocow65]

You kick their @$$.

[yamaguchi]

To Jodan, you have to move side to side always. It is very effective. Also Debana-men. When your opponents try to hit your men. You go to Sashi-Men. In order to do so, try to Attack opponents Hidari-Kote.

[yamaguchi]

To nito-ryu. You are lucky to see Kendo-ka who does Nito-ryu. I have see one, and Tuki-Men is effective.

[Dave Fowler]

Attack attack attack!

[tapioka]

like everybody says, when you fight jodan, you aim for their...wait, I thought it was the left kote? anyway, I remember it as the one that's closer to you.

what's also good is if you move to the right while standing in kamae. keep moving to the right, and it'll kinda end up like you're rotating in a circle. while doing so, advance subtlely on their kote--because it's hard for them to notice you advancing while you're moving. by doing this, you should be able to get close enough to snap at their kote.

I did this at practice yesterday and it worked!! :)

[jmarsten]

I like to use hasso or gedan. I also like to use the jousting style of tsuki. All of these methods have been fairly successful for me. Another method to try is gecko chudan :old_man:

[ratdeau]

Beeing really tall myself, I've been told to take migi jodan against jodan.

I hold my shinai quite vertical over my head, and I go for kote if my opponent is waiting or for men if he attacks. As my shinai come from over it push my opponent's shinai out of the way. The important things are never go backward, hold the shinai vertically and do only morote attacks.

[Kingofmyrrh]

a lot of people say attack kote, attack tsuki, and these are good targets, but a jodan opponent is essentially no different from an opponent who uses chudan. When facing a chudan opponent, what we generally consider at least as much as the matter of which body part to target, is the problem of getting the opponent to allow us to hit them where we want to. Our old friend seme, I suppose. After all, you don`t see many people (except for those at the earlier stages) just leaping for men against a chudan opponent with out any attempt to `open the way`. You`ll just have your kote taken.
Obviously with a jodan opponent, the same applies. For example, tsuki is said to be an effective technique against jodan, but anyone who has practiced against a reasonably accomplished jodan player will realise that it`s all too easy for them just to drop their arms and push down your thrust, quite possibly setting themselves up for an easy strike at your exposed men. The reason for this is that people often don`t realise that even though there is no shinai in your way for hitting a jodan opponent, you still need to break down their posture to have a chance of hitting them. If you don`t you`ll do no better than the guy that without attempting to seme, leaps for men against a chudan opponent.
If I had to describe how exactly to go about breaking down a jodan opponent, I suppose I would simply say `left hand`. Their left hand is their hand for their own seme, and if you can unbalance it then they are unlikely to be able to respond to your attack. To give a concrete example, somehow shock them into withdrawing the left hand slightly, and then give them the katate tsuki. Of course, they might avoid it, but chances are that they won`t be able to offer anything in response.
Well, it`s not exactly the most complete answer, but maybe it might give people something to think about. One of the reasons for its brevity is that I`m very much in the middle of my own research on the matter, so I`d also like to hear what other people have to say. Perhaps you could enlighten us with what you`ve found out so far, Tenken?
I seem to have taken a lot of time and space to write something that doesn`t actually add up to much...

[emitbrownne]

Another method to try is gecko chudan :old_man:
?? gecko ?? could you please elaborate?

[JSchmidt]

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I seem to have taken a lot of time and space to write something that doesn`t actually add up to much...
Actually, it's probably the best reply of the lot. Spending a fair amount of time in jodan, I can only agree with it.

Jakob

[jmarsten]

?? gecko ?? could you please elaborate?
I'm sorry but it is a top secret waza from rizudo ryu ha

[emitbrownne]

I'm sorry but it is a top secret waza from rizudo ryu ha:cry: :cry: :cry:
In this age of international communication and friendship it is soooo sad that secrets are kept.... :disapp:

So to keep the moral highground... I'm not gonna tell you about MY secret waza... :rolleyes:

:) :) :)

[Andoru]

I'm sure marsten sensei has his reasons. Best not to question it young padawan. :D

[jmarsten]

:cry: :cry: :cry:
In this age of international communication and friendship it is soooo sad that secrets are kept.... :disapp:

So to keep the moral highground... I'm not gonna tell you about MY secret waza... :rolleyes:

:) :) :) I'm sorry, I did not take this post seriously since Tenken specializes in jodan and was on team USA. I saw it as him playing a joke on everyone. Gecko as in Gecko lizard = rizudo style and the ha is in the wrong place and meaningless because the correct way would be to say Marsten Branch Lizard Style. Sometimes sensei get to make jokes too. So in gecko chudan you crouch down really low and cover your head with the shinai so the left hand is about ear level and the tip points to the opponents left shoulder. Then while they are staring at you trying to figure out what the hell your doing you hit their men or kote.

[Inouye02]

I don't think it really matters what you do against tenken, I saw him go against Uto Sensei and shes really short, so i don't think that waza will work ...hahahaha

[dualwielder]

when you ate using itto and your opponent nito it is easy to flick away the katana and also easy to strike the kote that holds the wakisashi. you are fire and earth. your opponent is air and water. air can't blow away a mountain, and a river is bound by its banks. but also: you cant throw a rock to hit the wind, and a wet campfire doesnt last long.

[misterkurukuru]

say waaahh?? waki sashi- armpit poke? I will burn his water by throwing rocks at the air??

toe to toe baby!!! thats the way to fight! if you are a man...or just a manly woman...dont back down man...go toe to toe!

hye moooooocow!!!!!!!!!!!!! next time you will get my awesome Kata #10 waza!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i made it just for you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[moocow65]

when you ate using itto and your opponent nito it is easy to flick away the katana and also easy to strike the kote that holds the wakisashi. you are fire and earth. your opponent is air and water. air can't blow away a mountain, and a river is bound by its banks. but also: you cant throw a rock to hit the wind, and a wet campfire doesnt last long.
For something to be "easy," it depends on the skill of you and your opponent. I am neither air nor water. I am a MOOCOW!!!!! ....my zekken says so.

[Hai_hai]

For something to be "easy," it depends on the skill of you and your opponent. I am neither air nor water. I am a MOOCOW!!!!! ....my zekken says so.
Rock... paper... scissor...

[dualwielder]

please accept my humblest apology. for a little while i thought i was in the company of warriors, now i find i'm among simple thugs who depend on strength and speed rather than technique and strategy to win. again, i am sorry.

[emitbrownne]

please accept my humblest apology. for a little while i thought i was in the company of warriors, now i find i'm among simple thugs who depend on strength and speed rather than technique and strategy to win. again, i am sorry.
Now thats realised... goodbye.

:wink:

[JSchmidt]

when you ate using itto and your opponent nito it is easy to flick away the katana and also easy to strike the kote that holds the wakisashi. you are fire and earth. your opponent is air and water. air can't blow away a mountain, and a river is bound by its banks. but also: you cant throw a rock to hit the wind, and a wet campfire doesnt last long.
Hmm..have you played against someone who was competent using nito??

Jakob

[Nanbanjin]

Hmm..have you played against someone who was competent using nito??

Jakob
No, he's strictly an against-chudan player. Now how about giving him some negative feedback?

[Hai_hai]

please accept my humblest apology. for a little while i thought i was in the company of warriors, now i find i'm among simple thugs who depend on strength and speed rather than technique and strategy to win. again, i am sorry.
Okay, your apology is accepted. I am very sorry that your time was wasted. Please go to this forum which is intended for people with your interests www .alternative-lifestyle-guys-who-use-bokken-for-other-reasons-forum .com

[JSchmidt]

No, he's strictly an against-chudan player. Now how about giving him some negative feedback? Huh?

Jakob

[moocow65]

please accept my humblest apology. for a little while i thought i was in the company of warriors, now i find i'm among simple thugs who depend on strength and speed rather than technique and strategy to win. again, i am sorry.

Well, I'm sorry I offended you. If you would like to try your strategy and technique against me, you can visit Covina Kendo Dojo in Southern California anytime. Our main practice is on Thursday from 7:30 pm.

[Cool Cat]

When playing against Jodan I keep the pressure on so that they will feel like they have to attack. This way you're always ready to attack yourself but also ready to do oji-waza when the their attack comes. Like men-suriage-men. I also like a nice tsuki when the pressure is on.

I had a few Nito players in my dojo in Japan. I found that although it was difficult to get through their defences I did develop some attacking moves. The obvious is the tsuki which is good but they usually block this with the shoto and deliver a huge men cut with the daito. I often used a quick sayu-men to the left or right depending on whether they were in sei-nito or gyaku-nito no kamae. I usually hit this around my shoulder to add a bit of suprise.

Anyway, it's all good fun trying to work out different styles...

Carl

[Hai_hai]

These days there are many people doing jyodan or nito but my sensei never tells me the way to fight them. What is the best way to fight, if not defeat them in a tournament?
You are probably like a lot of other dojo where no one in the dojo does nito or jodan. It will also be rare to confront one in a taikai.
If it does happen, beg for mercy.

[nalogg]

simple:

KA

ME

HA

ME

HAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Inouye02]

You are probably like a lot of other dojo where no one in the dojo does nito or jodan. It will also be rare to confront one in a taikai.
If it does happen, beg for mercy.you can visit Covina Kendo Dojo in Southern California anytime. Our main practice is on Thursday from 7:30 pm.



Hey Hai Hai, if you don't know who Tenken is by now , you can visit the above dojo ...they you can take your pick of going up against Nito or Jodan at the same Dojo ...

[Tenken]

well seem like lots of people replied to my thread. good. hahaha seems like everyone has different styles, wazas for me and moocow. If anyone likes to practice with me i'm at Covina also. I'll be there earlier than moocow so you can't miss me. thanx for the info everyone.

[Mr.Tvola]

Let me add some more advice based on my experience fighitng against nito or jodan

DO NOT PANIC!

(I kinda did (shinais flying everywhere tryning to hurt me ... ) and it didn't work, so go try something else :wink: )

[Mr.Tvola]

And I think it is not good idea to wait for jodan-guy to make his attack and try to make oji-waza, because you will be too late to react. It is better to "lure" him, make him attack when you are ready (of course if you are confident you can beat him with oji-waza), or feel when he is about to start. I think it is lot about seme...