Family mourn for Brazilian victim

[ISSAC RU]

Relatives and friends of Jean Charles de Menezes, the Brazilian man shot by police in London, have expressed their grief, shock and anger at the killing.



His London-based cousin, Alex Pereira, paid tribute to him but sharply criticised authorities for the error.

His grandmother said there was no reason for considering him a terrorist.

The 27-year-old was fatally shot after boarding a train at Stockwell underground station on Friday, a day after failed attacks on the network.

Climate of terror

The BBC's Steve Kingstone in Sao Paulo says there has been a lot of sympathy for London in Brazil over the bombings, together with an understanding of the need for tough police action.

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/shared/img/o.gifhttp://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/img/v3/start_quote_rb.gif He was the grandson that I always carried inside my heart, and I am terribly sad about what happened http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/img/v3/end_quote_rb.gif


Zilda Ambrosia de Figueiredo



But Brazilians are also strongly opposed to the Iraq war and there is still a lot of anger about the US invasion, he says.

They will be also be asking why someone lying on the floor and apparently offering no resistance was shot, according to eyewitnesses, five times in the head.

Our correspondent says the Brazilian government, while obviously sensitive to the broader climate of terror, is under pressure from its people to deliver answers.

It said in a statement it was shocked and perplexed, and expected a full explanation from the UK authorities.

'Full of life'

Details have been emerging about Mr Menezes - an apparently law-abiding citizen who was well-liked and as concerned as other Londoners about the bomb attacks.



Mr Pereira said his cousin was the son of a bricklayer and grew up in the city of Gonzaga in Minas Gerais state, a source of many migrants to Europe and the US.

He moved to Sao Paulo to live with his uncle at the age of 14, attended high school and became a qualified electrician.

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41336000/jpg/_41336581_victim203.jpg Menezes was said to be on his way to fit a fire alarm



He had lived and worked in London legally for at least three years and spoke excellent English.

The cousin described him as a "person full of life", adding that he was "a victim of government's mistakes."

"They had to kill someone to show the whole population they are working and make the country safe," he told the BBC.

"He does not have a past that would make him run from police," he added in an interview for Brazilian TV.

But the BBC's Tom Gibb in Brazil said Mr Menezes' experience of Sao Paulo's slum areas meant that he might - on the contrary - have run in reaction to having a gun pulled on him.

His grandmother, Zilda Ambrosia de Figueiredo, offered perhaps the most touching tribute.

She told Globo TV: "He was very easy going and very communicative with everyone."

"He was the grandson that I always carried inside my heart. And I am terribly sad about what happened."

Motorbike

Gésio César D'avila, a friend and colleague, said Mr Menezes had considered alternative transport after the failed attacks on 21 July.

"We were together on Thursday, and when we saw what happened, Jean said he wanted to buy a motorbike to avoid the tube," he said.

On Friday Mr Menezes had come out of his flat in Tulse Hill, south London, which he shared with cousins Vivian and Patricia.

He was thought to be on his way to fit a fire alarm.

The house had been under police surveillance because of a suspected link to Thursday's attempted bombings.

Police followed him as he caught a bus to Stockwell tube station.

They said Mr Menezes' apparently bulky clothing added to their suspicions. Some Brazilians find even summer weather in the UK cold and often dress warmly.

But cousin Patricia Armani said she did not remember him wearing a padded jacket. "He didn't use to feel cold. In the winter he even walked on the street with T-shirt," she told the


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I am not going to say anything more because there are just too
much evidence that proves I am right about everything in London Bombing.

[KhawMengLee]

I am not going to say anything more because there are just too much evidence that proves I am right about everything in London Bombing.

And pray tell what are you 'right' about in the London bombing?

[Mugu]

I am not going to say anything more because there are just too
much evidence that proves I am right about everything in London Bombing.

But if those "heroes" of yours didn't bomb London, that wouldn't happened. People wouldn't be THAT freaked out. Let me actually corrected what I just said, if those heroes of yours didn't bomb ANYWHERE, this wouldn't happened.

[h2o]

But if those "heroes" of yours didn't bomb London, that wouldn't happened. People wouldn't be THAT freaked out. Let me actually corrected what I just said, if those heroes of yours didn't bomb ANYWHERE, this wouldn't happened.
Probably not. But if we use the "if not X then not Y" statements for proving things, then we should perhaps not forget to add the fact that if someone had not pissed the terrorists off then they would not have had to bomb anything...

[stephanie dee]

I am not going to say anything more because there are just too
much evidence that proves I am right about everything in London Bombing.

Jesus H Christ. Not this again.

[h2o]

Jesus H Christ. Not this again.
Nah, I guess we should be thankful. Perhaps we should ask Scotland Yard or MI5 or whoever it is who investigates these things to give Issac a call. I mean, he seems to be holding all the answers :rolleyes:

[Anjin-san]

By the way, it's apparent that the reason he ran was because his visa had expired and he thought immigration were after him. And as usual, ISSAC, you're awesomer than awesome awesometurds.

[Mugu]

Probably not. But if we use the "if not X then not Y" statements for proving things, then we should perhaps not forget to add the fact that if someone had not pissed the terrorists off then they would not have had to bomb anything...

It is fair to say that cuz I'm just trying to confuse him more ha! :D

[emitbrownne]

Jesus H Christ

what does the H stand for?

[The great I AM]

what does the H stand for?

HOLY HOLY HOLY!

[piggy]

isaac, you are a genius! how do you know everything? it must be hard being so smart.

post #3 mugu, i'm pretty sure that it wasnt american troops that caused such a tragedy in london. where are isaacs idols now by the way?

although i do feel bad that an innocent person was killed, im just kindof tired of isaac for now. a little of that guy goes a long way.

but im glad this thread is here so i can vent my anger

[emitbrownne]

HOLY HOLY HOLY!
Cheers for that

Ta
Paulo

[ShinKenshi]

Once again, Issac Ru show's his infinite wisdom. Seriously, sometimes all we need to do is sit back and watch him do himself in.

[Dufus]

I want to know how ISAAC thinks we should solve the problems in Iraq? Should we leave peacefully and let Iraq slide into martial law? If the Iraqis would quit killing each other, most U.S. forces would already be gone. I don't agree with the war in Iraq, but the U.S. won't leave until Iraq is relatively safe and has a stable gov. So ISAAC's heroes should wizen up to this fact and quit fighting.

[drizzt]

I want to know how ISAAC thinks we should solve the problems in Iraq? Should we leave peacefully and let Iraq slide into martial law? If the Iraqis would quit killing each other, most U.S. forces would already be gone. I don't agree with the war in Iraq, but the U.S. won't leave until Iraq is relatively safe and has a stable gov. So ISAAC's heroes should wizen up to this fact and quit fighting.



sad part is, most of the killing is being done by foreign insurgents not the actualy Iraqi's

[ISSAC RU]

Tsk..Tsk...Tsk...
What had Americans learn from the Invasion of Iraq?
Practiacly Nothing.
In conclusion , Americans would / probably invade another
"' Evil Axie'' country again to fullfill its manifesto destiny.
Filthy Barbarians.

[ShinKenshi]

Tsk..Tsk...Tsk...
What had Americans learn from the Invasion of Iraq?
Practiacly Nothing.
In conclusion , Americans would / probably invade another
"' Evil Axie'' country again to fullfill its manifesto destiny.
Filthy Barbarians. Do you ever try to explain some of your posts? Please, tell is why you feel the death of this Brazilian man proves your point. It's very unclear to a lot of us.

[stephanie dee]

Do you ever try to explain some of your posts? Please, tell is why you feel the death of this Brazilian man proves your point. It's very unclear to a lot of us.

This is true. Care to explain?

[Stimpson J. Cat]

Probably not. But if we use the "if not X then not Y" statements for proving things, then we should perhaps not forget to add the fact that if someone had not pissed the terrorists off then they would not have had to bomb anything...

Let's not forget who started the current round of fighting with the attacks on the World Trade Center. There were plenty of terrorist attacks before the current situation in Iraq, so let's not pretend that this is a new situation brought on by US actions in the last few years. Whether you agree with US actions in Iraq or not, they aren't the real cause, just the latest excuse.

Middle Eastern religious leaders and governments have been whipping up hatred of the West as a way to distract their people from their home grown problems ever since the Crusades, and while we're on that subject, why is it when you so often hear people tracing the conflict between Europe and the Middle East to the Crusades do you NEVER hear any mention of the fact that the Moors invaded Spain with much the same objectives that the Crusaders went to the Middle East with a few hundred years later?

[Mugu]

Let's not forget who started the current round of fighting with the attacks on the World Trade Center. There were plenty of terrorist attacks before the current situation in Iraq, so let's not pretend that this is a new situation brought on by US actions in the last few years. Whether you agree with US actions in Iraq or not, they aren't the real cause, just the latest excuse.

Middle Eastern religious leaders and governments have been whipping up hatred of the West as a way to distract their people from their home grown problems ever since the Crusades, and while we're on that subject, why is it when you so often hear people tracing the conflict between Europe and the Middle East to the Crusades do you NEVER hear any mention of the fact that the Moors invaded Spain with much the same objectives that the Crusaders went to the Middle East with a few hundred years later?

Let's not bring up the "who throw the punch first" type of argument, we'll never get to the bottom of it. Besides that, I already bought that up to confuse people, lol

The Brazilian guy's death does not bring any justification to both sides. If the news was corrected of saying that he should'nt have ran away when the cops told him to stop, you couldn't blame the cops. Now if it was just a made up cover their asses story, those cops should brought to justice also in my opinion. In a chaotic place, a lot of people are suspects, he was shot innocently. Though, Issac_Ru, his death still does not prove anything. One person's misjudgement doesn't mean everyone is the same, I hope you get that by now. I ran into some racists when I was first moved to the U.S., I was humiliated by some of them but so what. There were also those who stood up for me. Now, I need some food...

[Andou]

It's impossible for a city to take something as large as a bombing (or series of) and just react normally as if under normal circumstances. This man's death was an accident on behalf of an authority who is on edge and a little twitchy. Any country's or city's would be.

And as for the rest of you all...REMEMBER: IIRS kids! Let the brotherhood protect you from the whirlwind of rubbish and foolishness.

[drizzt]

i hope youve listend lately chad. your perfect chinese government threatend to nuke several US cities if the US came to the aid of Taiwan....


Hmmmm, China wants to invade a country to integrate it into itself, so they want to NUKE inocent civilians. Wow they sound like the pinacle of.....well ill let you fill in an insult

[ISSAC RU]

i hope youve listend lately chad. your perfect chinese government threatend to nuke several US cities if the US came to the aid of Taiwan....


Hmmmm, China wants to invade a country to integrate it into itself, so they want to NUKE inocent civilians. Wow they sound like the pinacle of.....well ill let you fill in an insult


Ha . YOu want to talk about Nuke treats?
Tell me , how many times did Americans made a Nuke treats?
After the Atomic bombings in Japan America has made over
5 nuke treats to China.

1. Korean War 1950 , when Macarthur was losing the war he proposed
to President Truman to use Atomic Bomb on China. On July 1st , Truman
has scretly planted Its B-29 bomber into the Old Kan-To army Base in Japan.
Later , due the Soviet power shift Truman has rejected Macarthur's propose.

2. After the Offensive in 1951 Aprile attack by the Chinese Volunteering Army
in Northern part of Korea US decided to test out its Nuke weapons. During the same year Sept - October , US has made at least 3 Atomic tests in South Pacific. When eisenhower entered white house at 1953 March , he has made a treat to the Communists force in Korea. A possible nuke attack will be deployed by US army if the Chinese and N.Korean don't stop fighting. Clearly ,
US was losing the War at that time.

3. 1955 , China has attemp to liberate Taiwan province by military force.
JiangShan Islands were liberated during Feb 8-12th. US believed an invasion
on taiwan main island was clear. In March 12th ( same year) , when Eisenhower was asked by the press whether its possible that US will use nuclear attack on China . He said " I don't see the reason why not ''.

4. 1958 Aug 23th , China has bombed JinMen islands near time with mass artliry fire. 3 local Naval Generals were dead. Eisenhower has planned a invasion on the chinese mainland. Same month 3 B-47 bombers flew in the
the KMT airbases from the base in Japan.
In Sept , US secrety of State stated clearly US will use its Atomic bomb
when the time comes. Same day , He has proposed this to the congrass
asking the Congrass to give the Commader of 7th Fleet the right to use
Atomic bomb on China.

5. After China has succesfully deployed Atomic bomb on 1964 October the 16th. US U2 spy plan has spotted Chinese nuclear stations across the western region part of China in the early years of 1962. US minster of Defanse
stated in his agenda to the stationed army in Japan. A Nuclear attack on China is nesssary. Same month , this was stated in the US defance annual Report.

Lets see....um...those are all Presidents and MInsters...WOw....what delightful presents had those Americans give to the Chinese people?
Um , I think Americans should all go to doctors and check their memories.
It seems like they are forgetting what was happening in the world.
Didn't many US top Generals treaten to bomb the biggest dam in the world?
The SanXia Dam?
Didn't many US senators said US is going to send China back to StoneAge?

What a surprise.....

Thank you very much Mr.I-Can-Nuke-any-parts-of-the-world-in-90-minutes.

[drizzt]

as far as i know, no amercian has ever made a nuke "treat" . i think it would slightly damage the old stomach you know, all that radiation.

I think you should take a step back and realise were talking about current issues isaac. how many time did the soviets and the chinese threaten the US in the past? thank you Mr. I-spout-crap. as ive told you one thousand times or more, Learn to speak a language properly, otherwise dont hold a debate in it.

[ISSAC RU]

Current Issues? When I got your back you want to turn over
the table? Hell no , you americans have been bitching about the
human rights for 50 years . why don't you people quite?
Tell me one Chinese official ever made a nuclear treat to US. (except
the one you mentioned up there )
So..CAn you simply tell the difference between a 5 and a 1 ?

[drizzt]

can you get the idea the term "treat" refers to something you give in reward? BTW, your going to have to explain the meaning of what you just said...it made no sense at all

[h2o]

as far as i know, no amercian has ever made a nuke "treat" . i think it would slightly damage the old stomach you know, all that radiation. Not to be a party breaker, but George W Bush actually said he wanted to use mini-nukes in the war against terror, and this was was not more than two years ago. Ok, so they were supposed to be used on enemy bunkers and not on cities, but never the less, your statement is false.
Sources: Every major newspaper magazine on the earth has probably written a report on it. Google gave me 54.000 hits on "bush mini nuke iraq".

Let's not forget who started the current round of fighting with the attacks on the World Trade Center. There were plenty of terrorist attacks before the current situation in Iraq, so let's not pretend that this is a new situation brought on by US actions in the last few years. Whether you agree with US actions in Iraq or not, they aren't the real cause, just the latest excuse."The current round of fighting"? Lol. How long must you wait inbetween to not be seen as the aggressor? No, seriously, we can probably play the "ho hit who first"-game for a very long time, but I am not really up to it because it is impossible to reach a conclusion. The US and UK may be well defined, but "terrorists" are really a too heterogenus group to find a single reason as to why they want to attack the western world.


On a note about the brazillian guy... the police who shot him was (if things have not changed since the last time I checked the news) dressed as civilians. So the fact that he ran is not really so hard to understand at all.

[crabbi]

Current Issues? When I got your back you want to turn over
the table? Hell no , you americans have been bitching about the
human rights for 50 years . why don't you people quite?
Tell me one Chinese official ever made a nuclear treat to US. (except
the one you mentioned up there )
So..CAn you simply tell the difference between a 5 and a 1 ?
Aaah Isaac, Isaac, Isaac... once again you display you gift for perceptive comment... you are so well informed....

Check http://www.kendo-world.com/forum/showpost.php?p=121410&postcount=28

cheers

[ShinKenshi]

Issac, you still haven't answered my question. Why do you feel the Brazilian's death supports your argument?

[Theodore]

And as for the rest of you all...REMEMBER: IIRS kids! Let the brotherhood protect you from the whirlwind of rubbish and foolishness.

Here's (http://www.bartleby.com/61/87/A0138700.html) the definition of Isaac. I agree, join IIRS. :)

[drizzt]

Not to be a party breaker, but George W Bush actually said he wanted to use mini-nukes in the war against terror, and this was was not more than two years ago. Ok, so they were supposed to be used on enemy bunkers and not on cities, but never the less, your statement is false.
Sources: Every major newspaper magazine on the earth has probably written a report on it. Google gave me 54.000 hits on "bush mini nuke iraq".



dude seriously "treat" was the whole point of the post. NO PRESIDENT OR AMERICAN HAS EVER MADE A NUCLEAR "TREAT" PERIOD. THREAT....yes most definetly, but not a "treat"...sounds like nuclear lollypops or something good grief. I was implying the fact he used the wrong word in TWO posts. ITS THREAT.....god people READ a post.....

[Charuzu]

Well anyway back to why this thread was created.
"(Condenced ISSAC RYU Philisophy 101 ver.0.5b)

-All people from the US and Britain are Evil.
-They deserver to die regardless of oppion on the subject at matter.
-When people die in the middle east it is truly an act of evil
-Certain people deserve to die and others live.... it's all about the nationalities man!
-If the Westernnation makes a threat it is a act of terror... but when It is from a middle easterner it is becuse they want freedom (of course)
-ISSAC RYU rules and everone else sucks just becuse"

Now please correct me if I am rong ISSAC RYU becuse I am planning on moving onto v.0.5, v.1.0b and then finnaly blogging the final version.

My advice... Go to my blog and listen to the music (http://charuzublog.blogspot.com/2005/07/techno-links.html#comments) there... that should calm you down a bit and probally restore your thinking capability. I don't like gruges.... just aboligize with all your heart and then this will finnaly rest. I can't agree that everyone else will but it is much better just to admit your mistake and take a beating. (I can talk personally about this... In fact I have no idea when the heck it'll stop)

[Mugu]

Well anyway back to why this thread was created.
"(Condenced ISSAC RYU Philisophy 101 ver.0.5b)

-All people from the US and Britain are Evil.
-They deserver to die regardless of oppion on the subject at matter.
-When people die in the middle east it is truly an act of evil
-Certain people deserve to die and others live.... it's all about the nationalities man!
-If the Westernnation makes a threat it is a act of terror... but when It is from a middle easterner it is becuse they want freedom (of course)
-ISSAC RYU rules and everone else sucks just becuse"

Now please correct me if I am rong ISSAC RYU becuse I am planning on moving onto v.0.5, v.1.0b and then finnaly blogging the final version.

My advice... Go to my blog and listen to the music (http://charuzublog.blogspot.com/2005/07/techno-links.html#comments) there... that should calm you down a bit and probally restore your thinking capability. I don't like gruges.... just aboligize with all your heart and then this will finnaly rest. I can't agree that everyone else will but it is much better just to admit your mistake and take a beating. (I can talk personally about this... In fact I have no idea when the heck it'll stop)

Just make you got this one right, his username is Issac_Ru not Ryu, otherwise, your hold Issac_Ru Philosophy 101 v.0.5 and v.1.0b won't work, lol I'm just beta testing :D

[ISSAC RU]

Tsk Tsk...Tsk...
Laugh all you want. Payday willl come.

[drizzt]

Tsk Tsk...Tsk...
Laugh all you want. Payday willl come.


GOOD!!.....I'm broke. Who will be sending the check?

Seriously Isaac, that would be a very impressive statement if it wasnt coming from you.

[Andou]

Payday...Isn't there some other euphemism that would work better than that? To tell the truth I don't even know if payday can be considered one...Cause...I mean...who doesn't like to get paid? I mean...judgment day or something would be better...but...whatever...IIRS.

[Charuzu]

Pay is nice. I like pay. But still just read what you said and apoligize, it's not that hard (If you dont admit you make mistakes or you'll never improve yourself). Really, just apoligize to all those that you have hurt. Just know that I like apoligy juice. (If you don't get it just head to 2ch).

But trust me Issac Ru (I cant beveve I have been posting it wrong all this time... baka) the music will help you think straight. By the way... you haven't even sent a proper rebuttal. I like politics, so send in a good rebuttal ^o^.

[h2o]

dude seriously "treat" was the whole point of the post. NO PRESIDENT OR AMERICAN HAS EVER MADE A NUCLEAR "TREAT" PERIOD. THREAT....yes most definetly, but not a "treat"...sounds like nuclear lollypops or something good grief. I was implying the fact he used the wrong word in TWO posts. ITS THREAT.....god people READ a post.....
Ah, sorry, I see my mistake now. Luckily I can always fall back and say that english is not my first language. :P

[Mugu]

Pay is nice. I like pay. But still just read what you said and apoligize, it's not that hard (If you dont admit you make mistakes or you'll never improve yourself). Really, just apoligize to all those that you have hurt. Just know that I like apoligy juice. (If you don't get it just head to 2ch).

But trust me Issac Ru (I cant beveve I have been posting it wrong all this time... baka) the music will help you think straight. By the way... you haven't even sent a proper rebuttal. I like politics, so send in a good rebuttal ^o^.

I hope you don't have Nirvana or Katatonia on your site, he'll get depress more after he hears them... and don't let him listen to The Slayer, it'll even worsen his situation... maybe some Iron Maiden would do, they all sounds so happy... sometimes... oh oh I know! Hammerfall! Power Metal will makes you feel like a knight and kill dragons!

[Andou]

I hope you don't have Nirvana or Katatonia on your site, he'll get depress more after he hears them... and don't let him listen to The Slayer, it'll even worsen his situation... maybe some Iron Maiden would do, they all sounds so happy... sometimes... oh oh I know! Hammerfall! Power Metal will makes you feel like a knight and kill dragons!

Four words: TWO MINUTES...TO MIIIIIIIDNIIIIGHT!

[Charuzu]

I hope you don't have Nirvana or Katatonia on your site, he'll get depress more after he hears them... and don't let him listen to The Slayer, it'll even worsen his situation... maybe some Iron Maiden would do, they all sounds so happy... sometimes... oh oh I know! Hammerfall! Power Metal will makes you feel like a knight and kill dragons!

Power Metal ROCKS!! Ever hear of Rhapsody? I love Guardians and Emrald Sword,

[Mugu]

Yep Rhapsody was fun, too. Demon & Wizard is pretty fun also, they sing about crusaders and they're so happy. I forgot what's the other band that actually had an album called Dragon Slayer or something. And then Ensiferum sings about guardians of something, they're also fun but they use black metal vocals.

[Mugu]

btw, Trogdor will burninate you!

http://homestarrunner.com/sbemail58.html

[drizzt]

TRODOOOOOOR!!!!, TROGDOOOOR!!!!!

we need a strongbadia flag for the coutnry flags

[h2o]

Uhh, Powermetal, so tired of it... Was a Hammerfall-fan for a while (Hey, they come from my hometown, I have seen them go shopping and so on) but I got sort of tired of the high pitched voices. So I went over to death metal instead (Dark Tranquillity and In Flames rules, and are from my hometown as well, bwahaha), which is much nicer. And, their songs are not generated randomly by a connecting the words "metal", "dragon", "warrior", "honor", "metal", "aaaaahhhhhhh!", and "steel" in different ways... ;)
The closest I get to powermetal these days are Nightwish and Within Temptation.

But I agree that "Emerald sword" with Rhapsody is really nice :)

[Charuzu]

Speaking of metal.... http://4-ch.net/music/#13
They have a intresting summary

PS - Enter at you own will... some inappropriate language is used

[Mugu]

(Dark Tranquillity and In Flames rules, and are from my hometown as well, bwahaha)

You lucky puppy! I'm a huge Dark Tranquility fan! In Flames kind of died down after they changed their style. I only listen to Power Metal when I'm pissed off, hehehe

[KhawMengLee]

You lucky puppy! I'm a huge Dark Tranquility fan! In Flames kind of died down after they changed their style. I only listen to Power Metal when I'm pissed off, hehehe

Heh...When I'm on the road its either Killswitch Engage, TOOL/A Perfect Circle, The Tea Party and anything by Scott Weiland/STP/VR.

When I'm training at home its all Rob Zombie!..in fact if I can sneak it in I occasionally use my mp3 player during keiko...

[piggy]

Heh...When I'm on the road its either Killswitch Engage, TOOL/A Perfect Circle, The Tea Party and anything by Scott Weiland/STP/VR.

When I'm training at home its all Rob Zombie!..in fact if I can sneak it in I occasionally use my mp3 player during keiko...

yes!!! rob zombie, nine inch nails, tool, or*y (<dont know if im allowed to say that), t.A.T.y, static-x, pink floyd, led zepelin, and all that jazz.

anything goes with me except rap, country, power rock, and that screaming emo music. gross...

[h2o]

You lucky puppy! I'm a huge Dark Tranquility fan! In Flames kind of died down after they changed their style. I only listen to Power Metal when I'm pissed off, hehehe
Yeah, It is nice having them all in Gothenburg. Easy to get signed CD:s and such :)
And, of course, they usually start or end their tours there as well. Long since I saw DT live though. Missed when they were playing last week. :ermm:
And I agree that In Flames are not what they used to be, but they still spit out some really nice songs now and then (for example: Cloud Connected, The quiet place ...), but it's the old songs that are the best (Epsiode 666, Colony, ...)
What's your favorite DT andf IF song? I'm having a hard time to choose :)

[Lloromannic]

I like Within Temptation's cover of Running Up That Hill, like the original better. Never gotten the hang of Power Metal, cacophonous frippery and too much guitar wankery about elves for me.

[h2o]

I like Within Temptation's cover of Running Up That Hill, like the original better. Never gotten the hang of Power Metal, cacophonous frippery and too much guitar wankery about elves for me.
What? You are italian, you HAVE TO LOVE POWERMETAL, or else you will break my view of the world :D
Or maybe I should just go to bed and sleep. Yes, I think that will be the best. Haha, notice how we completely hijacked this thread from Issac and turned it from "Look how evil X are" to "Metal rulez!!!11!" :D

[Mugu]

What's your favorite DT andf IF song? I'm having a hard time to choose :)

I don't think it's easy for me either. I have listened to Character for like 50 times now and I love every song in it! That has to be my favorite DT album now, the second I might go with Haven then Damage Done. My 3 fav DT albums :)

[Mugu]

I like Within Temptation's cover of Running Up That Hill, like the original better. Never gotten the hang of Power Metal, cacophonous frippery and too much guitar wankery about elves for me.

I think the Italian Power Metal somewhat defines into Folk Metal now because they sings about Elves with some really weird instruments going on, hehehe Namely, Elvening.. Their songs are so corny that I get goose bumps listening to them, lol Second come in place for corniness is Fintroll from Finland, every song is about trolls and it's in Finish I think, lol I think I like knights and killing dragons better like Hammerfall or Deam Evil :p

[Lloromannic]

What? You are italian, you HAVE TO LOVE POWERMETAL, or else you will break my view of the world :D
Or maybe I should just go to bed and sleep. Yes, I think that will be the best. Haha, notice how we completely hijacked this thread from Issac and turned it from "Look how evil X are" to "Metal rulez!!!11!" :D

Don't worry, I'm not italian, I'm mexican, the flag has a bird in the middle.

[Lloromannic]

I think the Italian Power Metal somewhat defines into Folk Metal now because they sings about Elves with some really weird instruments going on, hehehe Namely, Elvening.. Their songs are so corny that I get goose bumps listening to them, lol Second come in place for corniness is Fintroll from Finland, every song is about trolls and it's in Finish I think, lol I think I like knights and killing dragons better like Hammerfall or Deam Evil :p

Yeah, I played Dungeons & Dragons but I didn't write songs about it! much less songs that went BWAAARGHHH!!!!! the Elves are leaving BWAAARGHHH!!!!! going on a quest to find a magic ring BWAAARGHHH!!!!! BWAAARGHHH!!!!!
Hammerfall is one of the few bands of the sort I really like. One of my friends bought a really cool Hammerfall album that came bound with a comic book.
Here (http://www.somethingawful.com/articles.php?a=2645) is a link to a (in my opinion) very funny article about music genres, especially metal. Please understand it is satirical.

[h2o]

Don't worry, I'm not italian, I'm mexican, the flag has a bird in the middle.
Haha, I see that now, hope I didn't hurt your feelings or anything :)

I don't think it's easy for me either. I have listened to Character for like 50 times now and I love every song in it! That has to be my favorite DT album now, the second I might go with Haven then Damage Done. My 3 fav DT albums :)
Yes, Character is awesome, but I think I like Haven just a little better. The Wonders at your feet is just sooooo nice :)
But as you say it is hard: DT must be the only band in the world that actually makes sure every song on their albums are good. Gahh, now I really have to check when they play next time. Got to see them again.
Eek! They play tomorrow and I can't go...Life is hard...

[Mugu]

Yeah, I played Dungeons & Dragons but I didn't write songs about it! much less songs that went BWAAARGHHH!!!!! the Elves are leaving BWAAARGHHH!!!!! going on a quest to find a magic ring BWAAARGHHH!!!!! BWAAARGHHH!!!!!
Hammerfall is one of the few bands of the sort I really like. One of my friends bought a really cool Hammerfall album that came bound with a comic book.
Here (http://www.somethingawful.com/articles.php?a=2645) is a link to a (in my opinion) very funny article about music genres, especially metal. Please understand it is satirical.

I finally got time to read the article, and I can't stop laughing, rofl Great find! :)

[Lloromannic]

I finally got time to read the article, and I can't stop laughing, rofl Great find! :)

If you liked it there are several more articles in that column (Your Band Sucks)

[Mugu]

If you liked it there are several more articles in that column (Your Band Sucks)

am reading it now :) Thanks

[Lloromannic]

am reading it now :) Thanks

What happened to the gif in your sig? I liked it, very Metal :D you should make one with elves instead of schoolgirls and it would be perfect.

[Mugu]

What happened to the gif in your sig? I liked it, very Metal :D you should make one with elves instead of schoolgirls and it would be perfect.

Nah I don't wanna stir up some stupid arguments of "Your sig is too violent and you should burn alive" or something like that. You have to understand not everyone has a sense of humor like you and me. What a sad world we live in... *sigh*

[piggy]

Don't worry, I'm not italian.


oh haha. you guys are jerks. *points to italian flag*




just kidding. i dont care.

[KhawMengLee]

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Leaked documents in Brazilian shooting allege London police error 1 hour, 27 minutes ago



LONDON (AFP) - Police in London were under pressure after leaked documents revealed a catalogue of alleged errors that led to the shooting of a Brazilian man who was mistaken for a suicide bomber.

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The Independent Police Complaints Commission, which is investigating the controversial killing of Jean Charles de Menezes, refused to confirm or deny the information -- broadcast by ITV News on Tuesday evening -- which contradicted earlier police and eye witness statements.

Police shot the electrician, 27, at point blank range after he boarded a subway train on July 22, one day after four suspected would-be suicide bombers tried to attack London in a botched re-run of the July 7 atrocity.

Initial reports said de Menezes had been acting suspiciously -- wearing a bulky jacket, jumping a ticket barrier at Stockwell Underground station, south London, and sprinting on to the subway train -- prior to his death.

But witness accounts and photographs leaked to ITV painted a very different picture, showing the young man in a light denim jacket, walking calmly into the station. They also revealed that de Menezes was restrained by a police officer on the train before being shot eight times.

In addition, a police officer outside his flat said he failed to videotape de Menezes when the Brazilian left home as he had been on a toilet break.

The revelations prompted relatives and campaigners to call for a public inquiry into the shooting.

"My family deserve the full truth about his murder. The truth cannot be hidden any longer. It has to be made public," said de Menezes's cousin Allessandro Pereira.

The Justice4Jean Family campaign said people had been deliberately misled, adding, "We must ensure that the full lessons of this death are learnt by the authorities so that no other innocent Londoner suffers a similar fate."

The ITV report indicated the operation was flawed from the start as police monitored de Menezes' block of flats in Tulse Hill, south London, where they believed two suspects in the July 21 attacks were living.

The undercover officer outside, who was supposed to identify anyone exiting the building, admitted he had been away from his post when the Brazilian left.

"I was in the process of relieving myself," he was quoted as saying in documents obtained by ITV News.

"At this time I was not able to transmit my observations and switch on the video camera at the same time. There is therefore no video footage of this male," he said.

Closed circuit television footage later captured the electrician entering the station at a normal walking pace, even collecting a free newspaper, and slowly descending on an escalator, according to ITV News.

Contrary to dramatic witness accounts on the day, de Menezes is seen to board the train through the middle doors before pausing, looking left and right, then sitting down in either the second or third seat facing the platform.

Moments later, police burst in and apparently restrain the Brazilian before pumping seven bullets into his head and one into his shoulder. Three more bullets missed him and the casings were left lying on the floor.

A member of the police surveillance team was quoted as saying: "I heard shouting, which included the word 'police', and turned to face the male in the denim jacket.

"He immediately stood up and advanced towards me and the CO19 (special security) officers ... I grabbed the male in the denim jacket by wrapping both my arms around his torso, pinning his arms to his side.

"I then pushed him back on to the seat where he had been previously sitting ... I then heard a gun shot very close to my left ear and was dragged away onto the floor of the carriage."

Harriet Wistrich, a lawyer for the de Menezes family, was shocked by the new details, but said they further vindicated the young electrician.

"There's obviously some level of incompetence here or some serious breakdown in communications with the various officers involved in surveillance," Wistrich told Channel Four News.

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