Suggest way to lose weight

[tomcrystal]

What is the best and most healthy way for weight loss? I have tried a few weight loss diet pills (http://www.pillslim.com/)and I always lose weight and then put it back on. Suggest me few weight loss tips.

Thanks

[The great I AM]

Stop pushing all the cake and pizza into your mouth.

[Anime12478]

To make it easier to lose weight, I suggest you add more exercise (other than Kendo) and make some changes in your diet. I wouldn't say eat nothing but vegetables or go on those fad diets that are quite popular these days. I think that you can lose weight by simply substituting things in for unhealthy foods. For example, instead of using butter, grease, or lard to lube up the pan, use Pam. It's fat free, and very low in calories and you can get more of a "natural" taste to the food. I don't know what foods you like to eat, but I am pretty sure that there are healthier alternatives out there. Just take this one step at a time. If you make very drastic changes, then you are most likely to bounce back once you reach your target weight.

[The great I AM]

To make it easier to lose weight, I suggest you add more exercise (other than Kendo) and make some changes in your diet. I wouldn't say eat nothing but vegetables or go on those fad diets that are quite popular these days. I think that you can lose weight by simply substituting things in for unhealthy foods. For example, instead of using butter, grease, or lard to lube up the pan, use Pam. It's fat free, and very low in calories and you can get more of a "natural" taste to the food. I don't know what foods you like to eat, but I am pretty sure that there are healthier alternatives out there. Just take this one step at a time. If you make very drastic changes, then you are most likely to bounce back once you reach your target weight.

And stop eating cake.

[joekc6nlx]

Cardiovascular exercises will help - aerobics, such as swimming, bicycling, skating (in-line roller skating), even walking at a faster than normal pace will help.

The trick to losing weight is to expend more calories than you take in. It also means a change to your eating habits, something that's not always easy to do. You also do not want to lose weight so quickly that you do harm to your body. Fad diets, such as the liquid protein diet, or similar diets are actually harmful in that they cause the body to draw on resources that are needed elsewhere. For example, the liquid protein diet has been shown to cause muscle loss due to the body scavenging the protein from the muscles. Fasting is also not good, because when you finally break your fast, you're ravenous, and tend to go back to your previous eating habits.

If you are significantly overweight, more than 30 pounds or so, a visit to your physician would be a good idea. He/she can give you guidance on how to safely lose weight. It's also easier if you have some kind of "support" group, and if you happen to "fall off" your diet once, don't feel guilty. It's normal, and just because you had that extra slice of cake is no reason to quit the diet. You need to understand that you're not a failure because you had that cake - just as in kendo, you make a mistake, you correct yourself and go on practicing.

Good luck!

[shred_lord]

Gibbo.... behave! :)

Tom just don't forget that some people are naturaly "big". Don't use it as an excuse but don't punish yourself to get from "OK" to "great" (please excuse the terms) if your body just doesn't seem to want to make that last step. I think too many people (mostly women from personal observation) beat themselves up over getting to that media dictated ideal.

Was chatting with a 6th dan recently who complimented me on having a good kendo harai and I'm well out of 6-pack country and entering beer keg land. (haha, I whip that out every time my girlfriend teases me :) )

Then he started taking the micky about my smoking! hehe!

*wanders of muttering "I must stop smoking, I must stop smoking......"*

[The great I AM]

Cardiovascular exercises will help - aerobics, such as swimming, bicycling, skating (in-line roller skating), even walking at a faster than normal pace will help.

The trick to losing weight is to expend more calories than you take in. It also means a change to your eating habits, something that's not always easy to do. You also do not want to lose weight so quickly that you do harm to your body. Fad diets, such as the liquid protein diet, or similar diets are actually harmful in that they cause the body to draw on resources that are needed elsewhere. For example, the liquid protein diet has been shown to cause muscle loss due to the body scavenging the protein from the muscles. Fasting is also not good, because when you finally break your fast, you're ravenous, and tend to go back to your previous eating habits.

If you are significantly overweight, more than 30 pounds or so, a visit to your physician would be a good idea. He/she can give you guidance on how to safely lose weight. It's also easier if you have some kind of "support" group, and if you happen to "fall off" your diet once, don't feel guilty. It's normal, and just because you had that extra slice of cake is no reason to quit the diet. You need to understand that you're not a failure because you had that cake - just as in kendo, you make a mistake, you correct yourself and go on practicing.

Good luck!

And ease up a bit on them pies too. Pies are a killer.

[Berugijin]

MMmmmm pie.

No matter how much icecream, pie, cake, burgers, fries, chocolate, etc... I eat. I just don't put on weight! It's awful I look so skinny and no matter how much I indulge myself in the gastronomic pleasures of life I just can't get fat.

And now I have to start running to escape the viscious wrath of all the jealous women and fat men on this forum :wink:

[emitbrownne]

No matter how much icecream, pie, cake, burgers, fries, chocolate, etc... I eat. I just don't put on weight! It's awful I look so skinny and no matter how much I indulge myself in the gastronomic pleasures of life I just can't get fat.


Skinny but with clogged arteries ?and a cholesterol level of 7.8 mmol/l ??!

Eat healthy stay healthy.

I've gotta go now.. there is a grande mocha with whipped cream and a double choc chip muffin from Cafe nero with my name all over it :)

[Yiu Fai]

Tomcrystal, if you eat lots like i do, do as much as exercise as your body and lifestyle will allow. I eat absurd amounts of food but i am not portly *looks at belly to check* simply because 2 jobs, kendo 3 times a week, gym and squash twice a week and partying dont let me.

Oh yeah and watch what you eat. But on the other hand, dont let these other guys fool you into thinking that cake, pies etc are bad for you. Oh no, on the contrary...

[The great I AM]

Oh yeah and watch what you eat. But on the other hand, dont let these other guys fool you into thinking that cake, pies etc are bad for you. Oh no, on the contrary...

I always watch what I eat. For instance, I had a bowl of shreddies this morning and studied it diligently for almost a minute before tucking in!

[Berugijin]

Skinny but with clogged arteries ?and a cholesterol level of 7.8 mmol/l ??!

Awwww why'd you have to tell me that?

*sprays some whipped cream into his mouth*

Mmmm.

[Berugijin]

I always watch what I eat. For instance, I had a bowl of shreddies this morning and studied it diligently for almost a minute before tucking in!

Considering British cuisine, the bowl of shreddies (more precisely, the bacteria colonies within) probably also studied YOU diligently...

[The great I AM]

Considering British cuisine, the bowl of shreddies (more precisely, the bacteria colonies within) probably also studied YOU diligently...

Ooooooh, get you, waffle king!

Shreddies is school fuel!

[Benegizer]

Buy some protein and and it to your diet. I usually drink one or two protain shakes a day, especially days I do Kendo. Just the simple act of adding protein to your diet can help you lose weight. Your body has a harder time break down protein in your body, so it has to use(burn) more calories to break it down, than it would with other things like fat,suger, oil, etc...

Working out helps. When you add muscle to your body, your body has to use(burn) more calories to maintain that muscle. So if you were to add 5 pounds of muscle, your body would burn an extra 200-300 calories a day just for doing nothing.

If you want, you can also try meal replacments. Some of the good ones taste pretty good, and are like thick shakes, and loaded with ton of protien and other good stuff, minus all the fat and calories.

Or just start buy eating less of what you normally eat. If you always get the BigMac Combo, start eating the basic Hamburgur combo, or a kids meal. Eat it slow and you'll be suprised that you will start to feel full (it usually takes your body about 30 minutes to tell the brain it's full) so take yor time. And before you go out to eat, chug a big glasss of water (oh you should be drinking lots of water everyday at the minumum a gallon a day) before you go out to eat. It supressed your appetate a bit, making you feel fully faster.

Well, I got lots of other tips, so there are some good starts. Good luck.

[Neil Gendzwill]

The best way to lose weight is to realistically know what are your inputs and outputs. The formula is, eat less and exercise but the problem is most people don't have a real handle on the "eat less" part and way overestimate on how much good the exercise is doing them. So use some method of tracking calories in and out, I recommend www.fitday.com. My wife uses weight watchers, which simplifies the tracking and adds the support group/recipe stuff. Either of them allows you to sort this out:

(Total calories eaten) - (total calories burned in exercise) - (base metabolic rate for your age/weight/sex)

If that number is positive, you'll gain weight, if negative you'll lose. For each 3500 calories, you gain/lose a pound (roughly).

[ginger_justice]

further to gibbo's scientifically sound suggestions, i'd recommend going a bit light of pasties. pasties're worse than pie, because they're from cornwall, where everyone's fat.

[ginger_justice]

apologies for the double post, but the edit time killed me. that should, of course, have read 'steering wide of pasties', for further comic effect.

[Berugijin]

Ooooooh, get you, waffle king!

Shreddies is school fuel!

What's that? I didn't hear you I was stuffing myself with beans in tomato sauce.. WTF?

Everybody likes waffles...

[mingshi]

What's the recommanded daily intake (RDI) for beer...? :rolleyes:

[joekc6nlx]

What's the recommanded daily intake (RDI) for beer...? :rolleyes:

When you can no longer lift your shinai to do proper suburi, you've had too much! I recommend you cut back your intake by a glassful.

[Berugijin]

What's the recommanded daily intake (RDI) for beer...? :rolleyes:

Depends how fast you would start stripping... :wink:

[nikolaj]

MMmmmm pie.

No matter how much icecream, pie, cake, burgers, fries, chocolate, etc... I eat. I just don't put on weight! It's awful I look so skinny and no matter how much I indulge myself in the gastronomic pleasures of life I just can't get fat.

And now I have to start running to escape the viscious wrath of all the jealous women and fat men on this forum :wink:

three cheers to that! I can (and do) eat my own weight in cheeseburgers daily and still look like an orphan in a sad British movie!
My dad however says that he was just like that when he was my age... Looking at him now I'm starting to think I might wanna ease up on the burgers before it's a habit...

[Berugijin]

three cheers to that! I can (and do) eat my own weight in cheeseburgers daily and still look like an orphan in a sad British movie!
My dad however says that he was just like that when he was my age... Looking at him now I'm starting to think I might wanna ease up on the burgers before it's a habit...

British orphan? Really... interesting... *makes mental note to taiatari nikolaj at Kyu Championship*

[nodachi]

I agree with the now secret diet of balance of exercise and good nutrition as others have mentioned, but most people don't want to subscribe to now a days. No fads or special diets necessary.

For a change in junk food consumption, incorporate healthy snacks into your diet. Instead of ice creams and things like that, try some of the different yogurt flavors out there. They make all sorts of desert flavors. Breyers Creme Savers are a recent find of mine. They taste very candy like. This way you can appease your sweet tooth and not pile in the pounds. If you can find substitutions for the things that you know you should cut down on, it will help quite a bit.

[Paikea]

What's the recommanded daily intake (RDI) for beer...? :rolleyes:Required is one pint...recommended is two. Stumptown Porter, please.

[piggy]

I agree with the now secret diet of balance of exercise and good nutrition as others have mentioned, but most people don't want to subscribe to now a days. No fads or special diets necessary.

For a change in junk food consumption, incorporate healthy snacks into your diet. Instead of ice creams and things like that, try some of the different yogurt flavors out there. They make all sorts of desert flavors. Breyers Creme Savers are a recent find of mine. They taste very candy like. This way you can appease your sweet tooth and not pile in the pounds. If you can find substitutions for the things that you know you should cut down on, it will help quite a bit.


i dont even bother with candy. i just eat plain sugar. im thinking about just eating artificial sweetener though...
70% of my diet is extremely sugary food. 5'9" and 130 pounds! yeah! you can see my ribs. i make orphans think they are kings.

[nodachi]

I LOVE CANDY!!! I once ate a 2 pound bag of candy in about an hour! I have no self control.

On a completely random tangent, someone at work was talking about diets and nutrition today. Supposedly people who crave lots of sugary foods are not getting enough protein in their diet. Not so sure if I agree, but seems to be the case according to some book this guy read.

[piggy]

sounds reasonable but when im hungry, i'd rather grab the candy bag two feet away from me rather than cooking something that takes a long time.

[piggy]

hopefully when i get my pnkf membership, ill be able to train enough to balance out all the candy i eat.

[Yiu Fai]

What's the recommanded daily intake (RDI) for beer...? :rolleyes:

Yes, the RDI is 2 pints for every kilo of body weight

[The great I AM]

Yes, the RDI is 2 pints for every kilo of body weight

Great! So I can have 180 pints every day! Hospital here I come!

On a side note I heard that simply not shovelling your face full of crap food at every available oppourtunity, or not eating like a proffesional weight lifter, is an effective and proven method of weight loss.

Eat lettuce. Nothing but lettuce. And maybe a tomotoe for desert. Watch the pounds fly away!

[nikolaj]

British orphan? Really... interesting... *makes mental note to taiatari nikolaj at Kyu Championship*
going slightly off-topic, but you're going to the kyu-championships? Aren't you a yonkyuu? I don't know if I'll be there myself btw

on topic: lettuce sucks, real men eat their broccoli

[The great I AM]

going slightly off-topic, but you're going to the kyu-championships? Aren't you a yonkyuu? I don't know if I'll be there myself btw

on topic: lettuce sucks, real men eat their broccoli

No, real men eat spinach! Look at popeye, check the forearms! I'll bet the mofo wrecks his schlong everytime he beats one off!

[ginger_justice]

real men eat carrots. they improve your eyesight, and, most importantly, your hair colour. sprouts come a close second, since they improve your social skills, especially when you're in a confined space with people you'll never have to talk to again.

[kuzu70]

man, i am gettin' hungry.

[Andou]

In that case...go eat a lettuce, spinach, carrot, broccoli casserole and get all of the wonderful results from these veggies. Just be careful after you eat the spinach...you don't want to blitz yourself...

[stephanie dee]

How to lose weight?

Eat a healthy, balanced diet. Yes, it is possible, no it isnt that difficult if you want it enough. Exercise. (at least 3 hrs a week to MAINTAIN your weight, more if you want to loose it) Watch the amount of fat, sugar and hydronanted (?) fat that you eat. And cut back on drinking.

Simple as. I did it, and i'm 17 and was addicted to junk food. My typical diet now is breakfast- cereal, lunch- tuna/ chicken salad sandwich ON BROWN, tea- some kind of red meat or fish with veggies. Then snacks are fruit. It is possible, believe me.

[Yiu Fai]

real men eat carrots. they improve your eyesight, and, most importantly, your hair colour. sprouts come a close second, since they improve your social skills, especially when you're in a confined space with people you'll never have to talk to again.

Ah but if you're after a food that will improve your social skills, then baked beans are definitely a must-have in your diet.

[joekc6nlx]

Stephanie Dee, hydrogenated is the word.



Paikeia, your avatar is great. Ernest Borgnine as the conductor on the train, fighting Lee Marvin as the Emperor of the North as he was known to his fellow hobos

The Great I Am, it's tomato, and the course after a meal is "dessert", not a desert, unless you like eating sand.

Thus spake the great Spelling nazi, and please, this is all in fun, I mean no offense to anyone.

[eXact]

get fat.................

[piggy]

get fat.................


sure the Al Roker stragety would be hard to hit men, but hitting do would be terribly easy. even ray charles could come out swinging and hit it perfectly.

[Kendoka]

What is the best and most healthy way for weight loss? I have tried a few weight loss diet pills (http://www.pillslim.com/)and I always lose weight and then put it back on. Suggest me few weight loss tips.

Thanks

If you want to lose weight, you can. Bit you will need a bit of discipline and a bit of a food and exercise plan.

Its not hard and little modifications can make a difference, you can still eat the things that you like/crave.

I suggest you identify the things in your current diet that need to be reduced or removed and review your exercise routine to see where you can add a bit more.

I reduced my breakfast (only) diet from / to:
Slice of toast - 2 / 1
Butter on toast - 2 / 0
Orange - 2 / 1
Cereal - big bowl / medium bowl
Exercise sessions per week (incl kendo, running etc) - 3 / 4

None of those changes were a big deal and I still enjoyed the occasional beer/wine and chocolate and I reduced my weight to a sensible healthy level.

IMHO fruit is a good helper, particularly bananas (http://www.weightlossforall.com/calories-banana.htm)! Eat a few pieces of fruit every day.

Neil suggested WeightWatchers - it's not for me, but the program works and is easy to comprehend.

Gambatte! :lick:

[Lloromannic]

sounds reasonable but when im hungry, i'd rather grab the candy bag two feet away from me rather than cooking something that takes a long time.

That happens to me, I solved it by not having bags of sweets around.

[piggy]

That happens to me, I solved it by not having bags of sweets around.


i try but they have a tendancy to gravitate to me.

[Miravil]

Instead of just watching the food intake, maybe you can try by breaking your meals into 5 times a day rather than eating all in 3 meals. You are still allow to take your favourite food but provided none of them are too fattening or high in carbohydrates. This will eventually increases your metabolic rate if you are having low metabolic rate.

As for sweet food and drinks, I'm having coke now while typing... yeah...haha

[nodaka]

i would like to put my two cents in, i used to weigh 350lb. I now weigh 235.

do not eat candy, sweets, pastries (spelling) ect.
do not drink; soft drinks, juices (not natural), coffee, chocolate, ect.
do not eat rice or bread.
do not eat after 10 pm.

start eating tuna & unsalted crackers
start eating chicken & potatoes for dinner
walk about an hour after dinner.

you also have to exercise. The most important thing is to burn more calories that you intake.

[Veren]

Don't skip breakfest. It's the most important meal of the day. A lot of people seem to, but your body is starved for food when you get out of bed, and if you don't feed it breakfest, it will simply start breaking down muscle to get the energy it needs.

Whenever you can, eat fruits and vegetables. Why? In addition to being good for you, they also fill you up. A good portion of fruits and veggies is water, so you feel fuller without actually eating tons of calories.

And speaking of water, be sure to drink plenty during the day. Often when we feel hungry, we're really thirsty, and by drinking water during the day, you maintain a "full" feeling that will help to eliminate cravings.

Here's a good one I read recently: eat more, earlier. In other words, normally, people (in the US at least) tend to have dinner as their "big" meal. But really, it's better to have a bigger breakfest, an average lunch, and a smaller dinner, since most of your energy needs are during the day, not during the nighttime. Also, spreading out the meals (to three main meals and 2 small healthy snacks between, for a total of 5) helps to reduce the large amounts consumed at one particular meal.

And a biggie: get enough sleep. Research shows that people who don't get enough sleep make up for it (unconsciously) by eating more.

[Sepiraph]

No matter how much icecream, pie, cake, burgers, fries, chocolate, etc... I eat. I just don't put on weight! It's awful I look so skinny and no matter how much I indulge myself in the gastronomic pleasures of life I just can't get fat.

And now I have to start running to escape the viscious wrath of all the jealous women and fat men on this forum :wink:

You know there are programs everywhere to help people to lose weight but what if you want to GAIN weight. I have the same problem as you, I'm also skinny and I actually find it quite difficult to gain weight. Naturally you'd want to eat as much as possible but a combination of a low appetite and a fast metabolism makes it difficult.

[piggy]

in the future, im sure that you'll find it not so hard to gain weight.

[Jhudai]

I know it's easier said than done, but remember to find moderation and balance. Like it was stated in some previous posts, if you try to diet too much too fast you will begin to reject it psychologically and the same holds true for excessive excercising. The true and long lasting healthy results do take time, and in many cases a gradual change in lifestyle does seem to work better for most people than a sudden shock or a quick fix such as diet pills. I'm not stating anything new here, this is the advice you would get from most doctors, nutritionists, and personal trainers.

This method worked great for my wife after years of trying different "popular" methods such as specific diets or an excercise program to lose weight. About a year and a half ago, she agreed to start gradually changing to match a balanced approch that I maintain. This could turn into a very long post if I went into more detail, but to sum up, we did this in a gradual way. Without forcing specific foods into a "diet plan", she would just remember to cook more whole foods and less things that resemble TV dinners. Less softdrinks, and more things such as water, tea, milk, etc., not go for 2nds or 3rds with meals, and save room for dessert (which could be anything we wanted, just not another giant portion). I becomes so natural, that processed foods begin to appear as cheap imitations to the great tasting real thing (which they are). Next came excercise, which also wasn't as gradual due to the fact that she was already experiencing increased energy. She found an excercise program that was fun to her, while in our free time we do more active recreations with our daughter like swimming and nature walks.


You know there are programs everywhere to help people to lose weight but what if you want to GAIN weight. I have the same problem as you, I'm also skinny and I actually find it quite difficult to gain weight. Naturally you'd want to eat as much as possible but a combination of a low appetite and a fast metabolism makes it difficult.

THIS one I can totally relate to! All through high school, I was 5'11" (180.3cm) and 130 lbs (58.97kg), as the years go by (I'm almost 28 now), I stayed at this weight until I was about 23 or 24. At that time I began martial arts, quit smoking, and starting eating healthier which happened to bring more protein into my diet. I have been steadily gaining about 8 lbs a year and am currently at 160lbs (72.57kg), which is still pretty thin, but is a weight I'm definately happy with. Having a physical job and training in martial arts seemed to be what finally started getting me to work up an appetite. It seemed to be what was missing in my life to allow me to quit smoking and have a more balanced lifestyle.

I hope this helps anyone who is looking at this from either end of the spectrum. I wish everyone the best of luck. :)

[Gregory]

There was a study that said that if you put you bag/bowl of chips/candy/whatever more than arms length away from you, you will be a LOT less likely to eat more. The farther the better.

[The great I AM]

There was a study that said that if you put you bag/bowl of chips/candy/whatever more than arms length away from you, you will be a LOT less likely to eat more. The farther the better.


Eat Less Pie

There it is in big letters.

[kendonewbie]

If you want to lose wieght, i'm sure there are better things than diet pills. All drugs have side effects, some of which outwiegh there benifits.

[Bomba]

Following on from The Great I am's searing logic.... If a modest reduction of pie intake does not appeal, I suggest removing a limb. Cutting off a leg would probably mean you lose a few pounds.

[Hank]

Following on from The Great I am's searing logic.... If a modest reduction of pie intake does not appeal, I suggest removing a limb. Cutting off a leg would probably mean you lose a few pounds.Heck, just your head weighs 5 pounds...6 pounds...7 pounds?

Hank.

[runsyi]

Instead of just watching the food intake, maybe you can try by breaking your meals into 5 times a day rather than eating all in 3 meals. You are still allow to take your favourite food but provided none of them are too fattening or high in carbohydrates. This will eventually increases your metabolic rate if you are having low metabolic rate.

As for sweet food and drinks, I'm having coke now while typing... yeah...haha

I second the eat 5 times a day suggestion. Only you have to be sure that the meals are smaller than they would be if you were eating 3 times a day. Avoid refined carbohydrates (e.g., white rice, white bread, cookies, cakes, pies) but don't cut down on carbohydrates altogether, about 55-60% of your daily caloric intake should be from carbohydrates (especially if you're upping the exercise duration/intensity).

Blah, blah, blah. I know I'm boring. A couple things I do in the month before a triathlon or marathon is to cut out the alcohol and the fried foods entirely. It really helps.

Definitely cut out sodas though. A lady in my office lost 15 pounds just by cutting out Cokes. She was drinking three a day though! Sports drinks (especially those with maltodextrins) are okay to drink if you're sweating it out for 2+ hours in a hot dojo.

And Kendo specific sports nutrition is hard because it's really difficult to eat before or after keiko, which will mess with the whole eating many mini-meals thing. What I usually do is have some orange juice and a small snack (a piece of dry toast or half an energy bar) about an hour before practice and some protein (in the form of a shake or edamame) as soon as I can after keiko.

I think I've written enough now. BTW, what is a "shreddie"?

[Paikea]

Eat Less Pie

There it is in big letters.I thought you might say something insane like drink less beer. But that's crazy talk.

[pgsmith]

I thought you might say something insane like drink less beer. But that's crazy talk.

Sheesh!!!! I think I'd rather go for the lopping off the head idea!
Less beer! Are you crazy?????

[EBP2K2]

Stop pushing all the cake and pizza into your mouth.

as long as it's diet coke, i think it's okay. it's got 0 cal, 0 fat, 30g sodium, etc... it's the aspertame that will kill you... lol


at first I only counted calorie intakes, but I've recently changed my meal plan as well... i'm eating things in smaller portions, more often.. changed white rice to brown rice, and am trying to reduce my sodium intake as well as unhealthy fat and crappy carbs..

I feel more energetic now... sure I had to give up a few things, but I do treat myself once in a while...

[kendodummy]

All of the above. 15 hours of excercise and 2 meals a day a week helps me alot. But it all adds up with the gatorades.

n

[Lucien]

I used to get a lot of stick about my weight, but all that's stopped now. How did I do it?

Well, I realised that the people pointing to my stomach and laughing were generally slim and healthy, so I went through my address book and crossed out all the people with a BMI of less than 25.

Now, all my real friends are at least as overweight as I am and hey presto I don't have a problem anymore.

[Lucien]

I continue (I got timed out)

<rant>
I would also like to know what right people have to say 'You're fat'. It is only since business realised you could make a complete shed of money out of the diet/food industry (i.e. people's misery) that 'fat' become such a ridiculous taboo.

The only reason I can't say 'Does your stupid car compensate for the absence of meaning in your life?' is because there are lots of bucks to be made out of selling automobiles.
</rant>

Well, I feel a lot better.

[Henrik]

I started working out this summer.. running, etc. I also made a little change in my food habits, and managed to lose 15 pounds. And I'm a whole lot healthier too.. the major change was "no soda" and "no candy" + run 5km every other day, and do some muscle exercise at home the days in between (maybe half an hour). So, over the summer, I went from not being able to run 2.5km (had to walk like 1/3rd, in the middle) to running 10km if I feel like it, and it feels good :)

Exercise just helps to keep a healthy diet too, for some reason. When I've worked out I just don't feel like having a hamburger or a pizza.. I much rather have a bowl of fibre-rich pasta, lots of ham and some cottage cheese (which btw is a great source of protein, while being low on fat) with a couple of big glasses of (low-fat) milk.

[Neil Gendzwill]

I would also like to know what right people have to say 'You're fat'.
None at all, as far as I'm concerned. I also don't tell people to quit smoking, or wear their seatbelts, or fix whatever other unhealthy things they're doing with their life. They have to make those decisions for themselves, no amount of nagging will work. But if someone says, "hey, Neil, you seem fit, any suggestions?", I'll talk their ear off.

However, I'm equally not going to tell people "you put on 10 lbs, looks great, that cardio-vascular health thing is highly overrated". These support groups that are pro-obesity and exist to tell people that it's OK to be unhealthy - those suck.

[EBP2K2]

None at all, as far as I'm concerned. I also don't tell people to quit smoking, or wear their seatbelts, or fix whatever other unhealthy things they're doing with their life. They have to make those decisions for themselves, no amount of nagging will work. But if someone says, "hey, Neil, you seem fit, any suggestions?", I'll talk their ear off.

However, I'm equally not going to tell people "you put on 10 lbs, looks great, that cardio-vascular health thing is highly overrated". These support groups that are pro-obesity and exist to tell people that it's OK to be unhealthy - those suck.

yeah, sometimes people have to tell the obese person how it really is. these people have been shielded from reality for far too long... I just realized, too, that I'm not exactly where I need to be... for past year, I was content with my weight (having hit the wall, after losing 35lbs)... but I should be at low 160ish, at my height... given my frame, I'd be happy with 165... meaning I still need to lose 25lbs more...

so far since I've started kendo and my new workout regiment, I'm down solid 3-4lbs... enrolling in kendo has given me an excuse to work out with new vigour, not the half-assed stuff i used to coast through... ^^
I'm also trying to incorporate plyometrics training (for explosiveness)... I know I'm only 2 weeks and counting since joining kendo, but why not.

[Lucien]

It seems that much of the reporting on obesity is, at best, 'reliable'.

http://www.sirc.org/obesity/epidemic_of_confusion.shtml

More to come.

[Wes Nazo]

What is the best and most healthy way for weight loss? I have tried a few weight loss diet pills (http://www.pillslim.com/)and I always lose weight and then put it back on. Suggest me few weight loss tips.

Thanks

Has it occurred to anyone that tomcrystal is a spammer?

[Sepiraph]

Has it occurred to anyone that tomcrystal is a spammer?

Haha, I dont think so.... this did turn out to be a decent thread after all. Anyhow, I don't have a problem losing weight as I actually want to gain weight.

[gracy1]

Spam removed.

[Spendius]

I am now at around 18 lbs.
Congratulation ! That's quite thin for a spammer robot !

[cesarekim]

Excuse me, what are plyometrics???

[ender84567]

if it hasnt already been mentioned, this is most likely spam, and also, my number one supah reight ross tip, PUT DOWN THE FORK!



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[Shogun]

I have been through basic training (U.S. Army) and i can say from experiance the BEST way to loose weigh ot running.Run 2 miles a day and in 3 months you will be in great shape and able to spar for hours.

[kartoffelngeist]

It's probably be petty to point out that unless you've tried every other way to lose weight, then you can't really say from experience that it's the best way - so I won't...

But as someone else asked, what are plyometrics?

[Shogun]

It's probably be petty to point out that unless you've tried every other way to lose weight, then you can't really say from experience that it's the best way - so I won't...

But as someone else asked, what are plyometrics?


hmmm good point.

[lucy]

But as someone else asked, what are plyometrics?

Why don't people use a search engine... :) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plyometrics)

[kartoffelngeist]

I did, but I meant it in a more practical sense, looking for examples and the like...

Wikipedia is the first place I look if I don't understand a word...

[lucy]

I did, but I meant it in a more practical sense, looking for examples and the like...

Wikipedia is the first place I look if I don't understand a word...

I'm sorry, I misunderstood you. *bow* :)

The best example I know is a "clap push up"... Maybe someone else can help with some more examples...?

[Neil Gendzwill]

Box jumps are plyometric exercises, and well-suited to kendo imo.

[Omnis]

I thought I'd say that suburi itself has helped me lose a lot of my back-fat.

Box jumps, if you can do them, are good indeed. I can't say how they'll affect your kendo (haven't really done them since I started), but they give a good workout. When I did box jumps, the program had 2 normal boxes and 1 tall box, followed by 5 hurdles. So, you'd go run-jump(always stopping before the box)-run-jump-run-jump, turn around and run through the hurdles (jump over them too. haha.) and then start the boxes again. It's like going in a circle.

[I_am_Cthulhu]

Suggest me few weight loss tips.Get intimate with a bacon slicer?

[Xaforn]

Try the Hallelujah Diet (spelled right?) its what I'm on for my epilepsy and its had miracle results. go to www.hacres.com and hope its waht u need.

[Mr. T.]

Christ, a Hallelujah diet, what will they think of next?

[Kendoka_Han]

Lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots of water.

[Blamps]

Stop eating pies and get off your arse and do kendo. Failing that take up smoking or have the fat sucked out artificially. The latter will also prevent you from being able to conceal a pie, pizza or kebab etc. if you feel you need to store one for when you feel like comfort eating. Your fat could also be made into soap or, as fight club would lead us believe, explosives. Presumably the former would benefit you Mr Han man after a hard day's work at the ninja office.

[A Wadlow]

Lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots of water.

Yes, 4 L a day. But it all boils down to

EAT LESS & DO MORE


Doing more means what it says. Even walking around town counts as long as you don't eat a pie as a reward its allll good.

[Yulya]

Eat more fiber(at least 25-30g a day) and raw veggies, cut out all fast food, junk food, candy and processed food if you can, and don't eat too much meat - you need protein, but overloading on steak will only hurt your health. 70-80% of your diet should be vegetables, and the other 20-30% whole grains, beans, fish, dairy etc.
Drink lots of water (filtered, not tap), and don't drink any sodas, coffee or sweetened juices. Only water and herbal teas.
Take a good multivitamin. (Don't buy the crappy 1-a-day stuff from convenience stores, go to a health store and buy a real one)

While a good exercise routine will definitely bring good results (such as a combination of weight lifting and interval cardio), sticking with it may be challenging. If you can't get a gym membership and commit to a routine, then try to just be more active in general. Go for a walk/jog instead of watching TV on the couch, do some housework, do a yoga video, or whatever just keep moving most of your day.

Things to not do:
Eat sugar free candy - that stuff is worse than eating real candy
Skip days and go crazy on sweets/alcohol/food etc. - if you feel like you really need something yummy go for it, but limit yourself to a small amount.
Take diet pills or teas - while it may seem like they're helping, they're actually not - a lot of caffeine contaning products will actually cause water weight loss, which is just dehydrating your body instead of burning fat and you wonder why it comes back so quick after going just as quick. You NEED water for efficiently converting fat to energy.
And most importantly, once you're at your goal don't go right back to your old eating habits (assuming they arent healthy since you need to lose weight) - try to manage your diet in such a way that you maintain your goal weight.

[Yulya]

Forgot something...

The percentages I mentioned in the previous post are not to be calculated by calories but roughly by amounts you actually put on your plate. It is actualy healthy to eat 25-30% of your Calories in fats(that would be like 3-5 tablespoons a day probably or maybe a little more or less depending on your goal weight. 1 tbsp of fat is roughly 120 cal), but make sure you eat good fats: Flax seed oil, virgin olive oil, virgin coconut oil, sesame oil. The V.Coconut oil is probably the best oil for weight loss for various reasons. And it tastes very yummy if you get the unrefined kind:D

[Sutemi]

Box jumps are plyometric exercises, and well-suited to kendo imo.

My Uni. sensei has us do these a fair amount. It's great training for fumikomi and really getting into a waza from to-ma. It's also a damn good way to train in how to deal with those cheeky naginataka when they go for sune!

[JoDuncan]

1. Eat less
2. Move more

I got them the wrong way round though and ended up moving less and eating more :(

[Dranzer]

Time was i used to weigh 23 stone now down to a nice 12 stone 6 which apparently is perfect for my height been 6ft 3. What i did was basically (as unhealthy as it was) eat one meal a day, smoke and hang out in the pub all day (i was a student lol) so never really had the time or inclination to eat huge amounts thing is tho which is the proverbial bitch is that i had loose skin on me stomach for loosing so much weight so quickly (ten stone in a year) but all that has been sorted :-D but what i reckon you should do is dont do an impression of me and live off one measly meal a day nd a 20 deck of marlbro's finest but do the usual excercise, eat well (fish apparently is amazing for weight loss) and control things like protion size and coookin meathods im no dietician by any stretch but i say think logically bout what ya putting in ya mouth (no filthy jokes please lol) nd hopfully all will be gud rock on nd best of luck.

G

[Gessho]

What is the best and most healthy way for weight loss? I have tried a few weight loss diet pills (http://www.pillslim.com/)and I always lose weight and then put it back on. Suggest me few weight loss tips.

Thanks

Conventional wisdom states that reducing carbs, sugars, and overall food levels whilst increasing exercise will enable you to lose weight.

On that note, though, I found this interesting article on that subject: http://nymag.com/news/sports/38001/?imw=Y

[Kendoka]

Eat healthily and do some exercise.

People say reduce carbs, but they don't define whether they mean simple or complex carbohydrates, or even what they are.

Complex carbs are OK as part of a balanced diet, they get the metabolism going as well, which in turn uses energy and burns fat.
http://www.weightlossforall.com/complex-carbs.htm

Simple carbs like sugar should be used sensibly. Avoid the hidden sugars in things like white bread, soft drinks, candy/lollies etc.

Drink plenty of water.
http://www.inch-aweigh.com/water.html

Eat plenty of vegetables.

Avoid fried food.

[Newbie]

Way I did it (before I buggered my knee and got fat again) was swap the size of your meals for lunch and dinner. All the nutritionists says this, too. Thing is, you have this nice big meal and night.. and then go to sleep. So what does all that food do? Turns into fat cos you're not using it. Have an enourmous, dinner sized lunch and (you'll get through evening keiko without feeling hungry) you have a good half a day to use it all up and give you the energy you need to get through it. Also try to snack as little as possible. Don't go on diets. If you can go on a diet, you can go off a diet. If you change your eating habits, you can't go on or off that. When I lost all this weight, everyone where I was working then thought I'd gone on some crazy diet. But I lost the weight gradually and safely and if it was someone's birthday, hell ya I'd eat a slice of cake. But I find the more training you do, the more you exercise you do, the less you actually eat. I always found that kinda weird. But when I'm in "full training" (again, before I buggered my knee) I would be quite happily to come home after keiko and eat, say a quick bowl of veggies or some tomato and cheese on toast. I would eat healthier because I was just consuming what my body told me it needed and full flavoursome meals weren't an issue anymore. Now I can only do very light jodo training, my mouth wants flavour and my body just doesn't care, it wants crap. Oh, another good one is slightly sweetened rice for breakfast. I lived off that for years. Gave me all the energy I needed and had already used up during my morning routine. And one cup would make three days worth of breakfast. Now I work evenings, so I get up late, it's too much cos I'm not hungry enough by lunch to have lunch then I'm starving by the time I get to work so I usually now just have a piece of fruit, a big glass of water, do the exercises I'm allowed/have to do and then have a bowl of white miso.

Now my morning routine consists of strengthening exercises for my knee, qigong sitting down, men cuts sitting down and four tandoku (jodo exercises) and that's all I'm allowed to do, plus two/three times a week ten minutes of walking in waste deep water at the pool and swimming two gentle laps.

A year ago before the injury though (when I lost heaps of weight and was working 8:30-5:00) I would get up early, have my fruit and water, do qigong, tai chi, sprint a lap of the backyard, do lunges on the way back, repeat another two times, men cuts, suburi, tandoku and maybe, if I had time, a little iaido. Then I would catch the train to work but rather than catch the bus the rest of the way like everyone else who didn't drive I'd walk about forty minutes from the train station (eat my rice when I got to work) and then after work I'd walk back to the train station.

This is just what worked for me, in around training three/four times a week and working full time and I've always been overweight so there's gotta be some merit in it.

[KendoMom]

Morning,

Join the following support forums:

http://www.sparkpeople.com
http://weight-loss.fitness.com
http://www.3fatchicks.com/forum

These places provide super resources and support for losing weight. I've lost 40+ pounds myself over the past 10+ months.

Enjoy,

Barbara

[Anonymous]

Actually, some good places to ask around for this kind of stuff are body building websites and forums, they tend to have a better understanding of how to cut/bulk than most people, because thats their thing.

[garyquinn1704]

i'm sick of this converation.

EAT LESS DO MORE.

by less obviously i don't mean starve yourself but if you know that being fat is bad for you then you know what foods are fatty.

EAT LESS (of those foods) DO MORE

but hey, look at a professional athlete's diet, be it 100m man, footballer, boxer or modern cricket player - if we ate their diet we'd be huge. I mean American-fat. But Scotland's now in second place in that league.

eat alot and do alot will also work fine.

i'm only day 2 of kendo, but find time to do 200/300 fumikomi-ashi men each day and unless you eat like a bodybbuilder (4whole chickens a day) you'll be lean as a lamb

[Newbie]

Eat Less, Do More.

Interesting. Lots of people say to do that but I find when I'm training I need to eat more but lose weight. Bugger eating less, just eat healthier. If a bowl of salad doesn't fill you up, have a bowl of salad, a bowl of fruit salad and a yoghurt. Better than eating a burger but it's eating more. I agree with "Do More" but sorry, not with "Eat Less".

[satsumaruma]

I haven't read all the posts on all the pages so my apologies if my tuppence ha'penny worth has been said before.

At work we have dieticians, physios, gym instructors etc etc and aftre speaking with them about how to improve fitness lose/gain weight etc they all pretty much came up with the same things.

You must do some exercise - both physical and mental. the physical should combine both aerobic and non-aerobic types and you should do at least 1 hour per week (over 3 x 20 minute stints) absolute minimum - They debated which was the best time to exercise but all agreed that the timing was of only moderate increased benefit.

They discussed the impact of stress and how that affects the metabolism and noted that everyone should have some way of stress-busting. They did not rule out alcohol for this but added that this should be very moderate intake. They were very against caffeine and nicotine and set me a challenge to prove just how bad caffeine is. I drink about 5-6 cups of tea per day and maybe one coffee per week with a few cokes along the way. They told me to give up all caffeine products for only TWO days. I say again ....just two days without caffeine and see how my body reacts ( note that we are only talking tea here which is mild by comparison to most coffees). It was horrendous; the cravings, the headaches, the irritability, loss of concentration - my body had become so dependant on it it struggled to function without it. After two days it eased drastically (thankfully) and I now drink decaf everything - was a real wake up call what an addictive drug caffeine is. Thankfully I don't smoke.

On the food front they were unanimous - little and often. and reasonably healthy. As noted before, big meals are not easily digested so the food will swiftly turn to fat. If you wait a long time between meals the body thinks that there may not be another meal so again turns it to fat to store just in case the wait proves to be longer than exepcted. This is especially true for women apparently. To dupe the body you need to eat fairly regularly which trains the stomach to avoid creating so much fat stores. But again as noted before it is better to eat healthy than fatty.

There are also some products which are apparently appetite suppressors - apples for instance.

I have been advised to avoid bread in sandwiches and go for a tortilla wrap with healthy fillings instead. An odd thing they came up with was to avoid pasta and eat potatoes or rice as my carb intake - they claimed that pasta is brilliant for athletes who spend all day training but not so good for the daily gymmer. The also noted that we MUST take some fats into our body to improve things such as joints and lots of other things they mentioned (which were just big long words to me but sounded very impressive).

I cannot say whether or not all this is right - I am no expert - but i have been following their advice for months now and I feel much better, fitter and I am just starting to get the first signs of my 6-pack back.

Lee

[Andrew S]

There's the caviar diet - eat nothing but caviar for the first three days, then you can't afford to eat for the rest of the month.:p
Oddly enough, this is very similar to the weight-loss diet I followed in my first few months in Japan - eat only what you can afford!

Essentially, weight loss means a change in lifestyle. This doesn't have to be drastic - training one night extra a week could be the difference.

[Kaoru-san]

I am a health nut, but even I like to splurge every now and then. :D

In my opinion, losing weight should not be torture. If you are totally missing what you were eating before you started watching it, then I suggest just eating a small amount of "that" food that you are craving. Now, with some people, this wouldn't be good to do, because some people have no "will power". "Will power" is knowing when to STOP. Eating a few cookies compared to the whole bag is called "will power". :) You have to control yourself while trying to lose weight.

Here are some tips of mine that I (try to) do everyday:

1)Drink plenty of water. (at least 9 pints per day) Drinking lots of water everyday, and before and after each meal, helps you to feel full, so you don't eat as much. TIP: Sometimes when you are hungry, your body is actually thirsty, so try to drink plenty of water.

2)Eat 3-5 serving of veggies everyday Veggies pack a punch while trying to lose weight. They are high in fiber (which makes you feel full), and they have nutrients that are needed for optimum health benefits.

3)Eat 2-3 servings of fruit everyday. Fruits have fiber too, and most promote a healthy metabolism.

4)Eat about 6-7 servings of products that have wheat, grain, oats, etc. everyday. These foods are essential to good health, that they are. They help you to feel full too, so eat up! :)

5)Try to cut out foods high in sugar as much as possible. The body doesn't NEED sugar to function. It needs carbohydrates (which come from fruits) and the natural sugars from fruit and veggies. Sugary candies don't have the natural sugars that our bodies need to function. (The brain is just one part of the body that needs natural sugars to function.)

6) Count your calorie intake. If on a diet, try to keep track of how many calories you are taking in. You need to consult your doctor to know how many calories you should intake everyday though. Every person's metabolism and organs are different, so each person's body needs a different amount of calories to function properly. If you consume too few calories, your body will be out of wack, so make sure to consult your doctor first.


The above are a just a few tips, out of many, to help live a healthy lifestyle. All of these can be used in your everyday life to stay fit and healthy, that they can. Its not just for losing weight! :) You should want to live a healthy lifestyle so you can live a long healthy life. Plus, you will influence people around you to take control of their eating habits as well.

You are what you eat! ;)

[Yulya]

6) Count your calorie intake. If on a diet, try to keep track of how many calories you are taking in. You need to consult your doctor to know how many calories you should intake everyday though. Every person's metabolism and organs are different, so each person's body needs a different amount of calories to function properly. If you consume too few calories, your body will be out of wack though, so make sure to consult your doctor first.


Not trying to argue with you or anything, just think counting calories is not that great of an idea. It would put you in a "diet = torture" set of mind, because then you'd be thinking like "oh, I can't have as much (ice cream, cookie w/e) as I want :( (and most likely eat the whole box once you're off the diet)". Of course some approximation and not overeating is good, but it's extremely hard to count the exact amount of calories you burn each day - it changes all the time! I find I do better just using common sense with how much I eat and exercising a lot to burn off any excess I may or may not have eaten.

[Kaoru-san]

Not trying to argue with you or anything, just think counting calories is not that great of an idea. It would put you in a "diet = torture" set of mind, because then you'd be thinking like "oh, I can't have as much (ice cream, cookie w/e) as I want :( (and most likely eat the whole box once you're off the diet)". Of course some approximation and not overeating is good, but it's extremely hard to count the exact amount of calories you burn each day - it changes all the time! I find I do better just using common sense with how much I eat and exercising a lot to burn off any excess I may or may not have eaten.

You do have a point there. :)

Although counting your calories can be a pain, and hard to count exactly (which is impossible), I think it can be good still. One reason is because, even if you go over your calorie intake limit with a piece of fruit, you will still gain those extra calories. No need for anyone to worry over a piece of fruit though! If someone is hungry, and wants to grab for something, (Like I was earlier tonight. :laugh:) then it is best to grab for a piece of fruit over a cookie or ice cream anytime. Especially late at night. ;)

But yeah, I do see where you are coming from with the "diet = torture" set of mind. I've had days where I've gone over and became depressed because I went over. Sometimes its best to not know if you went over or not. If someone does count their calories to help them lose weight faster, then I do think its a good idea to take a break from calorie counting every now and then. It is a nice breath of fresh air! :)

As long as someone exercises (for me I exercise daily), and watch what you eat, then it shouldn't be hard to keep it off. Even power walking every day, which is what I do, can keep those unwanted pounds off, that it can. :)

[Neil Gendzwill]

Not trying to argue with you or anything, just think counting calories is not that great of an idea. It would put you in a "diet = torture" set of mind, because then you'd be thinking like "oh, I can't have as much (ice cream, cookie w/e) as I want :( (and most likely eat the whole box once you're off the diet)". Of course some approximation and not overeating is good, but it's extremely hard to count the exact amount of calories you burn each day - it changes all the time! I find I do better just using common sense with how much I eat and exercising a lot to burn off any excess I may or may not have eaten.Some people think they're using common sense when they say, "I walked to work today, so I can have a chocolate bar". Counting calories is a good thing for a while, because it ingrains in you just what you eat and do is worth to your body. There are lots of tools to make it easier. Weightwatcher's point system, for example, is just calorie counting in disguise but it simplifies things for people. Another great resource is fitday.com, which makes it easy to log what you eat and how much you exercise. You can set up your own account and then just select foods from lists, or add your own if they don't have it available.

[Newbie]

3)Eat 2-3 servings of fruit everyday. Fruits have fiber too, and most promote a healthy metabolism.

I dunno.. I've always heard and had one nutritionist tell me outright that you need at least one piece of fruit a day. More than that is bad because fruit is so high in fructose so you're getting craploads of sugar if you eat lots of fruit. That said, if you're craving something sweet, a banana is definitely a better option than a chocolate bar. I usually eat between one and three a day but the second or third piece are in the evening at work when I either need a pick-me-up (I'm not meant to have caffeine after 5pm cos of sleep apnoeia (sat's, i pity you)) or want to snack on something sweet to avoid having chocolate. And work provides fruit so it's good if I have no change for the snack machine :)

4)Eat about 6-7 servings of products that have wheat, grain, oats, etc. everyday. These foods are essential to good health, that they are. They help you to feel full too, so eat up!

Wheat? I eat wheat but there are a lot of people now who are gluten intoleratant (coeliacs) or allergic to wheat. Also, one of the fittest, healthiest person I know, my brother, has no allergies but avoids wheat like the plague. Apparently the body doesn't break it down well or something. Can't remember exactly what.

I don't eat enough veggies - I know that. We're gonna get our veggie patch up and running though cos they're getting really expensive.

[Kaoru-san]

I dunno.. I've always heard and had one nutritionist tell me outright that you need at least one piece of fruit a day. More than that is bad because fruit is so high in fructose so you're getting craploads of sugar if you eat lots of fruit.

Some fruits have a kind of fructose in it that you need to limit to a certain extent. I can't remember the exact ones though... But even so, fruit is WAY better to eat than a candy bar, that I agree with. With some people, one fruit is okay, but some people need more. It all depends on your body. :)

Wheat? I eat wheat but there are a lot of people now who are gluten intoleratant (coeliacs) or allergic to wheat. Also, one of the fittest, healthiest person I know, my brother, has no allergies but avoids wheat like the plague. Apparently the body doesn't break it down well or something. Can't remember exactly what.

hmmm....That's weird. If you remember where you heard that from, or from "whom", I'd like to know. :) I've never heard that before. I've always heard that food with wheat, oats, etc. were very good for you. Bread is very healthy too. Although, everyone has to remember that too much of anything can be bad for you. Even fruit or veggies, so just watch your intake. :)

I don't eat enough veggies - I know that. We're gonna get our veggie patch up and running though cos they're getting really expensive.

I don't eat enough veggies in my diet either, sadly. :( One alternative that I have been doing is drinking a V8 everyday. At least I try to everyday. :D They do taste nasty at times, like when I'm not in the mood for it, but it is a quick and easy way to get about 2 servings of veggies in one can of V8. If you don't like drinking veggie juice, then I suggest pouring the V8 in a microwave safe bowl, heat it up, and eat it like you would tomato soup. Although, it may be better to heat it on the stove, because microwaves have been known to suck some nutrients from foods. :confused2

[Newbie]

Gah! Hot juice! Trouble with V8 is it's expensive. Cheaper to buy the veggies, really. As for wheat, well heard it from my brother, from a professional nutritionist who also does shiatsu and yoga and I've heard it from other sources but can't remember where. It's not grains in general, just wheat specifically. Me, I love my bread. ;)

[dr-spiff]

The only consistent way to lose weight and keep it off is regular exercise coupled with good eating habits. Pills don't work. There is no easy way out.

A typical weight loss program consists of:

- Eating 4-5 small meals per day rather than 2-3 large meals. But even though you are eating more meals the overall goal is to eat fewer calories. Eating small meals promotes a higher metabolism.

- Meals should be real food - minimal processed foods. E.g. chicken breast, brocolli, fresh fruit..., not things laced with sugar...

- Build muscle through some moderate strength training- more muscle means your body will burn more calories. Limit weight training to no more than 40 minutes. Doing more actually hurts muscle growth rather than help. Aim for compound exercises (exercises that use more than 1 muscle together)- squats, bench presses, lat pulldowns, shoulder presses.
Before these exercises engage in dynamic stretching- the stretching exercises you do for kendo are excellent examples of these.

- Conduct interval training at the end of weight training (15 minutes- not the long drawn out marathon cardios)
.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interval_training
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/03/fashion/03Fitness.html

- Every 8 weeks adjust the order/type of strength training so your muscles don't adapt. Also vary your interval training.

[Azamatsu-sama]

just fast alot

[Anonymous]

just fast alot


Thats a horrible idea, you'll slow down your metabolisim and suffer for it later.

[Yulya]

just fast alot

The purpose of fasting is not for weight loss. It's for cleansing and detoxification of the body, and even then it's not the safest and healthiest way to accomplish that, but probably fastest. It stresses out your liver and kidneys and probably other organs too. Fasting WILL slow down your metabolism a LOT. Once you are off the fast you are likely to gain back at least 30-50% of the weight you lost. Some people gain back 100%, but that depends on how you come off the fast and your eating habits in general.
For healthy weight loss that will last there's nothing better than a good exercise program, healthy diet and dropping bad habits.

[Kendoka]

Remember that in regard to weight loss, to keep in mind that muscle mass is heavier than body fat, so just measuring your weight can be misleading.

[Kaoru-san]

Gah! Hot juice! Trouble with V8 is it's expensive. Cheaper to buy the veggies, really. As for wheat, well heard it from my brother, from a professional nutritionist who also does shiatsu and yoga and I've heard it from other sources but can't remember where. It's not grains in general, just wheat specifically. Me, I love my bread. ;)

I love my bread too. ;) Bread is one of my favorite foods. :D

just fast alot

This is NOT the way to lose weight. Fasting is okay for short periods of time, like when you have a blood test the next morning, or if it is dealing with your religion. BUT, fasting to lose weight is the worst thing you could do to your body. Fasting is no different than anorexia, in my opinion. The only difference between the two, is that after fasting, a person will eat again, unlike with anorexia.

Please! No one start fasting to lose weight. It can turn into an illness.

Not only will fasting make your metabolism decrease a LOT, like was mentioned above, but your body will go into starvation mode. When you don't eat, even if it is for a day, your body will think it is starving, and so it actually starts storing fat. Yeah, a person will lose a lot of weight, because there is nothing for the body to burn, besides the fat that is stored, BUT, once you start to eat again, your body will automatically STORE that food, because it thinks you are starving (which you technically would be). Your body will take a very long time to get back to normal, hence is why your body will only gain back all the weight you thought you lost. Sometimes, your body gains back even more than the weight you started out at.

So, don't fast to lose weight everyone.

Just eat smart, drink plenty of water, exercise at least 30 minutes every day, and you should be fine. And, your body will appreciate you too. ;)

Remember that in regard to weight loss, to keep in mind that muscle mass is heavier than body fat, so just measuring your weight can be misleading.

[Newbie]

Yup. Fastings a great way to put on weight. Same as you're more likely to put on weight eating twice a day than five (within reason).

Question - I try to eat a really big lunch and little dinner. I snack often when I get to work but try for something not heinously unhealthy. I start work at four-thirty pm and finish anywhere from eight thirty to ten 'clock. By the time I get home, I'm hungry yeah, but if I just have something small, I'm still hungry. Really hungry. So I end up eating quite a bit. It's like having two dinners instead of lunch and dinner swapped but I can't sleep if I'm really hungry. Any solutions? What can I eat at night, just before going to bed that will fill me up but not turn straight to fat whilst I sleep?

[Kaoru-san]

Question - I try to eat a really big lunch and little dinner. I snack often when I get to work but try for something not heinously unhealthy. I start work at four-thirty pm and finish anywhere from eight thirty to ten 'clock. By the time I get home, I'm hungry yeah, but if I just have something small, I'm still hungry. Really hungry. So I end up eating quite a bit. It's like having two dinners instead of lunch and dinner swapped but I can't sleep if I'm really hungry. Any solutions? What can I eat at night, just before going to bed that will fill me up but not turn straight to fat whilst I sleep?

I know EXACTLY how you feel. :) I was like that tonight. It annoys me like crazy, that it does! :D Especially after a day of work, too.

What I try to do, is eat a piece of fruit or something that has fiber in it. When that doesn't work, I try to eat something that has grain in it, like crackers or something, since they aren't packed with calories. Also, eating a bowl of cereal is good too, because it has fiber (most of them), grain, and you get some milk in your system.

Sometimes, you can feel like you are hungry, yet your body is really thirsty. So, I suggest drinking a whole bottle of water, or as many cups of water as it takes for you to feel full. (Its usually around 2 or 3 cups for me. ) Just don't drink too much water at once. It is bad to drink too much at once, that it is.

Anyway, one of those SHOULD help, but its not definite, because I am still hungry even while I am typing this. :laugh: I am just refraining myself from going downstairs to the kitchen.

That's another tip! If you stay away from the kitchen and get your mind on something else, like KW ;), watch a movie, play a video game, go outside and walk, etc. Its pretty easy to get your mind occupied on something else once food isn't invading it, like it does to me as well. :D

[satsumaruma]

Of course,

given that death is inevitable- why waste time worrying about what you way. Surely it's what you do with the time that you are allotted in life rather than how much you weigh during it.

Just a thought!

Lee

[satsumaruma]

Whoops. Bad spelling there.

should have said "weigh" not "way"

[Newbie]

That's chicky - not sats. Sats, you're a peanut. I have been having cereal at night. Wheatbix with warm milk, natural yoghurt and sultanas. I wasn't sure that a) that was really all that good for you and b) that it was the right kind of thing to be eating just before bed. But ta, at least I'm not doing the most horribly wrong thing.

[Newbie]

Hey, my house mate is really, really watching what she eats, like only fresh fruit, not dried, tinned or preserved, stuff like that. Just occurred to me though that we always have lollies in a bowl on the table and she always has lollies at work cos she's still fighting off niccotine cravings from when she quit about a year ago. So what's really healthy that she can snack on?

[satsumaruma]

So what's really healthy that she can snack on?

Me:laugh::laugh:

[satsumaruma]

Seriously,

you should have a bowl of fruit or stuff like celery sticks/carrot sticks etc. And just get into the habit of eating it. Apples really do fill you up.

Another big thing is alcohol - boy that soon piles on the poundage. So give that up.

[Andrew S]

Some people look for excuses...
http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h40/strewthbruce/swim.jpg

[Kaoru-san]

Hey, my house mate is really, really watching what she eats, like only fresh fruit, not dried, tinned or preserved, stuff like that. Just occurred to me though that we always have lollies in a bowl on the table and she always has lollies at work cos she's still fighting off niccotine cravings from when she quit about a year ago. So what's really healthy that she can snack on?

Sorry to bump this thread, but I have a suggestion. Sorry for not being on here that much lately. :(

I suggest that she grab a granola bar. She should eat them in moderation, but they pack a lot of nutrients in them, and not too much sugar. I suggest that she not eat more than two a day though. Also, if she packs a bowl of fresh fruit (assorted) that should curb her hunger. If she packs a variety every time, or maybe a different kind of fruit each time, she won't tire of it.

If she likes vegetables, then that is even better! Tell her to keep some baby carrots with her. They are bite size, and carrots hold a lot of fiber. (Any vegetable have a lot of fiber though.) Vegetables are great for curbing hunger, because fiber makes you feel full. If she likes salads, those are great to eat. Just tell her to watch what salad dressing she puts on her salad. She should look for low fat dressings, or ones that contain at least 8 grams of fat or less. 12 grams of fat is okay too, but she needs to be careful, because two servings of that would be a whopping 24 grams of fat.

Also, nuts are packed full of energy. They help you feel full over a bit of time. Just tell her to pack an amount ahead of time though, because nuts are very addicting. She may find herself eating more than she wanted to. (I've been in that scenario before. lol)

Remember that in regard to weight loss, to keep in mind that muscle mass is heavier than body fat, so just measuring your weight can be misleading.

I noticed that I quoted this in another post, but didn't reply to the quote. Whoops...

Yes. This is a very important factor for everyone to remember. Losing weight doesn't necessarily mean losing the pounds right off the bat. To lose a lot of weight, a person needs to gain some muscle, and because muscle weighs more than fat, you may gain some weight before actually losing weight. The more muscle you gain, the faster you are going to lose fat though, so having muscle weight is not bad. ^^

When trying to lose weight, instead of weighing oneself on a scale, one should take a tape measure and see how many inches are lost over a time period of one week intervals. This will tell you how much fat you are burning. At first, you may not see a difference with this method either, but keep in mind that once the fat starts to burn, the inches will melt off. ^^

[Bogu Headache]

Not to sound smug, but: frequent, intense physical exercise. I started putting in two or three 2-hour sessions a week at the gym last summer, mixed weights and cardio - I lost two stone in three months and I'm now trying not to lose a third. Replace a session with swimming occasionally for a less intense option.

If you want to lose weight, this is the best way. You can screw around with fad diets and pills and whatever else all you want, this is the only realistic fix - and trust me, if its hard at first, you'll love it given time. If you find gyms intimidating, look around for a smaller one - people won't be arseholes with you at most places, but smaller locations tend to be less intense. If you cook for yourself, look at what you're eating - the occasional treat won't do any damage, but eat plenty of fresh meat and vegetables 9not just random frozen crap from the freezer), with some carbohydrate. Losing weight doesn't mean eating lettuce 24/7, if you're getting fit your body will need proper food.

Much like Kendo, fitness is hard at first but becomes incredible satisfying and strangely enjoyable...I get irritable and bitchy if I don't get my endorphin fix every couple of days :).

/Humblenewbiepost.

[Tsunemori]

I agree with Bogu_Headache, I'm 5'5" (165 cm) weighing around 127 lbs (58 kg). I eat about five meals a day, with lots of snacks in between, and I have no problems about eating junk food. I don't watch what I eat, but I find myself struggling to stay at my current weight, let alone put on some more.

I think once you find an exercise or activity you love doing, you just can't help but "overdo" it. I really dislike seeing people fasting or being extremely picky with food, to the point where they have to refer to their little calorie bible book before they put something in their mouth.

But yes, I agree that proper food is absolutely necessary, even if you need to lose weight. You don't just want to lose fat, you want to turn that fat into muscles.

[jjcruiser]

I agree with Bogu_Headache, I'm 5'5" (165 cm) weighing around 127 lbs (58 kg). I eat about five meals a day, with lots of snacks in between, and I have no problems about eating junk food. I don't watch what I eat, but I find myself struggling to stay at my current weight, let alone put on some more.


Just my two cents on this extensive thread, but I would caution that people's mileage will vary, not only based on your genetic dispositions but also based on your time demands and your age.

When I graduated from college I routinely ate enormous meals at 11pm. I also had enormous amounts of free time and worked out five times a week. I weighed about 175lbs.

Now it is 13 years later, and I am very busy with my job, I have two children, and it's all I can do just to practice Kendo and get out on the golf course once a week. I not only do not gorge myself at 11pm, I avoid junk food, I avoid dessert period, I don't snack, my only real eating vice is a weakness for pasta and bread, and I weigh 195lbs.

So going crazy with working out and exercising is great if you have the time and that means you will want to and be able to eat more, but as you get older and your metabolism slows down and your time becomes more restricted and precious, I think you'll find that your only option is being progressively more careful about what, how much, and when you eat.

[Kenzan]

I agree with Bogu_Headache, I'm 5'5" (165 cm) weighing around 127 lbs (58 kg). I eat about five meals a day, with lots of snacks in between, and I have no problems about eating junk food. I don't watch what I eat, but I find myself struggling to stay at my current weight, let alone put on some more.


If you are under the age of 25, just wait until you stop growing.
:D

It's really just simple math.
You need to find out approx. how many calories you need based on age, gender, body type and fitness level, and then be cognizant about what you eat in terms of calories.
If your body requires 2000 calories per day as a base line, and you eat 3000 calories per day, that excess needs to go somewhere, and that somewhere is stored in your fat cells.
So if you wish to gain weight, you just need to eat more calories than you use in a day.
Conversely, if you want to lose weight, the opposite is true.
You need to create a deficit in calories either by:

1. Increasing your caloric expenditure via physical activity
2. Eat less calories per day than your body requires at a baseline.

There are 3500 calories per pound of fat, so this is perhaps why many people who try to diet without exercise end up falling off, because it takes a rather long time to see results.

For example, you eat 500 less calories in a 2000 calorie a day diet, which creates a deficit of the same.
At that rate, it will take a week to loose one pound.
500 calories a day is no small matter, and generally your body will make you crave the loss extra hard, so exercise is also crucial.

To combat this effect, try eating bulky foods as others have suggested, such as foods that have high volume like apples, celery, and other vegetables.
Make sure to watch eating too many fruits, as they contain lots of sugar.
Bulky foods are ones with have low calorie content, but are high on volume so they make you feel more "full."
On the flip side, Chocolate or Chips for example, are high density foods which have a high caloric content, and you can eat too much without feeling full and satisfied.

Overall, If you have a problem with watching what you eat, try more exercise, although there will come a time when you reach a certain equilibrium and caloric intake on a daily basis will need to be practiced.

[corwyn]

Don't forget (and it may have been posted earlier in this thread) that there's also a difference between losing weight and losing fat. Anytime I've "dieted" properly (better eating, more exercise), I've actually stayed the same weight, but my clothes fit better (or got too big). Exercise can build muscle, and because it's denser than fat is, you can get leaner while maintaining the same weight. And depending on how your body works, your weight can actually go UP at first, if you gain muscle faster than you burn fat.

[Kenzan]

Don't forget (and it may have been posted earlier in this thread) that there's also a difference between losing weight and losing fat. Anytime I've "dieted" properly (better eating, more exercise), I've actually stayed the same weight, but my clothes fit better (or got too big). Exercise can build muscle, and because it's denser than fat is, you can get leaner while maintaining the same weight. And depending on how your body works, your weight can actually go UP at first, if you gain muscle faster than you burn fat.

I think your point is an important one.
BMI (http://www.nhlbisupport.com/bmi/) is a better indicator than the bathroom scales to determine overall fat loss.

[JSchmidt]

I think your point is an important one.
BMI (http://www.nhlbisupport.com/bmi/) is a better indicator than the bathroom scales to determine overall fat loss.

Erhh?..how so?. bathroom scales measures weight. BMI measures weight against height.
You reduce your BMI by either growing taller (unlikely) or losing weight, which the bathroom scales will also show. Further BMI does not take body structure into account. Most professional middleweight (and up) boxers would be classified overweight, with many even as obese, if you follow the BMI formula.
Best way it to measure bodyfat%, which unfortunately cannot be done accurately at home.

[Neil Gendzwill]

BMI is an index meant for evaluating populations, not individuals. I think it's a shame it's become such a ubiquitous arbitor of fitness. Ali was a pretty damn trim heavyweight at 6'3" and 215 lbs fighting weight. His fighting BMI would be 27 - overweight according to the charts.

[Kenzan]

Erhh?..how so?. bathroom scales measures weight. BMI measures weight against height.
You reduce your BMI by either growing taller (unlikely) or losing weight, which the bathroom scales will also show. Further BMI does not take body structure into account. Most professional middleweight (and up) boxers would be classified overweight, with many even as obese, if you follow the BMI formula.
Best way it to measure bodyfat%, which unfortunately cannot be done accurately at home.

Regarding bathroom scales, personally I dislike them as have found them not all that accurate. As well, if you utilize them daily to measure progress in diet, you'll soon tear your hair out, as there is a sort of curve in overall weight that happens when you begin a diet regimen which looks rather like a bell curve.
There will be days in which you seemingly are losing weight, but then even though your routine may have not changed, the scale will show you gaining weight. Additionally, the way you stand on a scale, and the time of day in which you weigh yourself will also reflect daily measurements. lastly, scales do not take into account water gain. It just measures overall weight at the time of use.

Measuring body percentage ratios either by calipers or water displacement method as do athletes, is another good method, but what it will not do is measure internal fat deposits accurately, especially ones around various organs.

BMI, while not I agree is 100 % perfect, allows for tolerances in body fat ratios based upon the three main factors I mentioned previously.
The formula used there if followed, will be a better indication of overall health where fat percentages are concerned than other methods.

[Gessho]

The quickest way to lose weight is by removing pure sugar from your diet. This means no more doughnuts, cake (as per Gibbo The destroyer of Kawasaki), and foods like that.

If you want to go crazy and really lose a lot of weight then consider the South Beach diet or something like that. The trouble with diets in general, though, is that they ask for a lot up front with the return only coming long down the road (not unlike kendo...).

It's best to start with small steps like removing pure sugar from your diet and then, once you see the results (which should be apparent in about 2-4 months) you may decide to take it to the next level.

[JSchmidt]

R
BMI, while not I agree is 100 % perfect, allows for tolerances in body fat ratios based upon the three main factors I mentioned previously.

No it doesn't, as it's still based on measuring your weight!

http://www.epic4health.com/bmiformula.html

[hl1978]

check out http://www.caloriesperhour.com/index_food.php

has all sorts of calculators for calories burned for various activities, your resting BMR , along with tons of foods, including many fast food restaurants menus. It is probably the best website out there for anyone with diabetes, along with anyone who is counting calories/carbs.

with regards to BMI, measuring how much you float in water (fat floats), by sitting in this swing/chair is the most accurate way of measuring your bodyfat. Its inconveient so there are some other options:
Calipers are probably the next best. You can try one of those bodyfat measuring scales too.

for for weight loss some easy hints:

don't drink regular soda, switch to tea/diet.

drinking a half gallon of ice water supposedly burns 100 calories as the body has to warm itself. You can loose roughly 1lb a month doing just that if you don't do much else (3600 calories per lb of fat).

if you eat rice/potatos, switch to brown rice. White rice and bread spikes your blood sugar and insulin levels which make you hungry.

[Kenzan]

No it doesn't, as it's still based on measuring your weight!

http://www.epic4health.com/bmiformula.html

I think perhaps I mis-articulated.

What I meant was that there is a range in the BMI of healthy weights for height.

[Neil Gendzwill]

Assuming the water starts at 2 C, you'd need 3/4 of a US gallon for 100 calories. I'm not sure it works so straightforward as that though...

Really it's pretty simple - eat less, and exercise.

[Bogu Headache]

Really it's pretty simple - eat less, and exercise.

This really seems to be a recurring theme.

I can understand time limitations, but when alls said and done the best way to exercise is to get on with it. If you really want to enjoy being fit and all its advantages, you'll not make excuses. Once you're properly in gear, one intense trip a week could probably keep you in touch.

As for waiting until I hit 25 and stop growing, I fully intend to resemble Dolph Lundgren by then.

[Maaku-san]

As for waiting until I hit 25 and stop growing, I fully intend to resemble Dolph Lundgren by then.


Before or after Rocky Balboa got through with him? :laugh:

[Bogu Headache]

I think I'm going to like these forums.:laugh:

[corwyn]

I think I'm going to like these forums.:laugh:

Yet another sick and twisted one? Welcome! :D

[Charles Lockhar]

I saw the subject, and since I'm trying to diet, I figured hey, I better read that one. Unfortunately I started reading the thread from the beginning.

So now all I really want is pie and beer. Screw the diet.

You guys are evil.

-Charles