World Peace Proposals...

[Mugu]

Well instead of arguing who's right or wrong, who should die who shouldn't. How about a thread on some world peace? hehe What are somethings you think might be possible for world peace? After seeing the Tsunami disasters, these are some things I came up with.

As for me:

1. We need an aliens invade Earth and dominate it so every country can shut up and united. If they fight, the aliens will blast them to the deepest part of hell. By this time, humans will united again because humans only unite when some craps they can't take care by themselves. I'm using the aliens to play the bad guys so we can see what a bunch of idiots we are that we can't be nice to each other until crap happens. Great timing to propose a world peace resolution after we kick the aliens out.


2. Just somebody, I don't care who. Dominate the world, again, we won't be friends until someone do crap things to all of us. This won't work as well as the Aliens now coz people will hate this certain country where this guy was from.

3. United Nations should just be called "The Earthies" because under one country, everybody will follow the same laws and orders. There will be only one citizenship, and you're an Earthling. Everybody is free to travel anywhere without borders. Marry whoever the heck you like, 100 years from now everybody will be the same colors because interracial marriages can really tone everybody to brown. And this entire Earthies nation willl work better if we have all those biometrix systems installed just like "The Minority Report" (we still have to keep track of the criminals and rebels after all)

Keep your imaginations coming...

[Berugijin]

One race will wipe out all the others, no more xenophobia, everybody unites in peace.

[h2o]

One race will wipe out all the others, no more xenophobia, everybody unites in peace.
Look at me! I want attention!

[Berugijin]

Look at me! I want attention!

Look at me! I'm 21 and this is how I spend my time!

[Paikea]

Well...that turned to crap in a hurry - well done, gentlemen.

[kendokamax]

hansoku ikkai!

[piggy]

Well...that turned to crap in a hurry - well done, gentlemen.

well, she did try to make an interesting thread so i'm going post anyway.


simple truth is, the world will never be at peace. people fight because they are different, because thier beliefs are different, because the have different perspective, etc. and the only time fighting will stop is when every one becomes a neutral uniform clone of one another. that world, i will never want to live in. its in our nature to fight. we may be a step up from primates but we have not shed our deep animalistic instincts just yet.

talking out differences will never work either. compromising is just a method to ensure that both sides don't get what they want.

and if there was a ruler or dictator to fight, wouldn't there be people fighting on his side too?

[Mugu]

well, she did try to make an interesting thread so i'm going post anyway.


simple truth is, the world will never be at peace. people fight because they are different, because thier beliefs are different, because the have different perspective, etc. and the only time fighting will stop is when every one becomes a neutral uniform clone of one another. that world, i will never want to live in. its in our nature to fight. we may be a step up from primates but we have not shed our deep animalistic instincts just yet.

talking out differences will never work either. compromising is just a method to ensure that both sides don't get what they want.

and if there was a ruler or dictator to fight, wouldn't there be people fighting on his side too?

Thanks Piggy, at least one person takes this a bit serious. I totally agree with you, we'll never have world peace. Well, let's say in your own imaginary world, what would you think might work? It doesn't hurt to dream, wish, and imagine that one day we'll have world peace :)

[piggy]

. Well, let's say in your own imaginary world, what would you think might work? :)

my idea would be to form small, closed societys that were completely self-sufficient. each would have a doctor, a farmer, a teacher, etc. that way by having small individual societys, the people would be easily controlled, able to develop thier own working system and form thier own set of beliefs.

of course, you could not completely isolate these colonies. if you did, they would eventually get out of control.

thats just my ideal future.

[kendonewbie]

Its an interesting topic, so i'll try to keep it alive....
I have to agree with Mugu and piggy....world peace is something that we can only dream about. As for the ideal society.....i have no idea. I guess it would be if all people saw each other as equal/had a much weaker emphasis on material possesion and gain. Unfortuantly...thats already been tried (communism), and i think everyone can agree that communist governments are as far from ideal in real life.

[kendokamax]

I believe World peace is not something that can only be dream of!

Just look at the European Countries they are in peace but you wouldnt say the same thing 60 years ago. If it works there why would it not work everywhere else?

[piggy]

communism is theoretically the perfect form of government. unfortunately, people figured out that they didn't have to work to get paid. thats why communism on a small scale would work.

and not all european countries are at peace.
*cough* bosnia and hertzagovina *cough*

[kendokamax]

communism is theoretically the perfect form of government. unfortunately, people figured out that they didn't have to work to get paid. thats why communism on a small scale would work.

and not all european countries are at peace.
*cough* bosnia and hertzagovina *cough*

ya well most of them are. My point is its clearly better than 60 years ago!

[kendonewbie]

I guess what you guys are trying to get at is that while world peace may not be a realistic goal in the near future, imporving relationships between countries/different ethinic or religious groups is not. Hopefully, things will get better in the near future....

[h2o]

Look at me! I'm 21 and this is how I spend my time!
*Compares post counts*, look who's talking :P



Anyway, to deliver an opinion... I think the UN should abandon the veto, which is clearly very strange. I mean, give me a good reason why the "winners" of WW2 should have more power than the rest of the world.

[Gregory]

one word,


communism :)

[piggy]

7 words,

Fidel Castro, Ho Chi Minh, Che Guevara.

all of them lost with communism in the long run.

[kendonewbie]

North Korea is also communist. The only thing they have going for them really is their huge military (10% of the population was in the military, last i checked). Other than that...well, the people are starving, and their economy is crap

[Satan]

Not as long as I am arround !

[Berugijin]

Not as long as I am arround !

Indeed. As long as religion is around... Btw Satan, did you 'persuade' Khan to give N-Korea those centrifuges?

[mingshi]

Debt relief for 3rd world countries.
Provide aid for health care and education.
Fair trade.
Gender equality.
etc. etc.

If you are serious about keeping the world as peaceful as you want to, at least consider a few more serious, practical points, and have some social awareness...

[The great I AM]

Debt relief for 3rd world countries.
Provide aid for health care and education.
Fair trade.
Gender equality.
etc. etc.

If you are serious about keeping the world as peaceful as you want to, at least consider a few more serious, practical points, and have some social awareness...

Why only things that target the 3rd world as your points mingshi? Its not just there that the problems are, you also have things like aggressive foreign policy, and then on the counter to that ridiculous pacifism to the point of not caring. Curing the immdeiate problems of the poverty ridden 3rd world is perhaps a nice starting point, and even a realistic one if you think about the moneis involved, but it would then give way to further problems. For instance how would you then feed your healthy population in a mid african country with little or no rainfall every year and no real exportable trade? These countries need an economy, and one not as easily manipulatable (is that a word?!) and as corruptable as they would have if one magically appeared right now. These 3rd world countries are often so hopelessly corrupt that no-one in their right mind will take their business their to start any sort of economic revival, hence no money will go there. The difference between 3rd and 1st world corruption is in the 1st world it is supported by big business, which is the magic ingredient that 3rd world countries are missing. Its a vicious circle.

Also debt relief for 3rd world countries will only *truly* work where the ruling government in that country is responsible and fair minded. Take for example N Korea, although instead of debt relief they get things like food aid, econmic advice, agricultural donations. A couple of years later, they decide to use nuclear research as a bargaining tool to get more of what the top brass want. I know its not a perfect example, but it is still an adequate one I believe.

There will never be world peace as long as the people who make decisions for their countries (3rd or 1st world or otherwise) want more than they have / deserve / can afford.

[Mugu]

Finally, you guys take this matter a little serious now. I think this topic is much more productive if people keep giving out their ideas how to make a better world rather than argue with Issac_Ru or anyone disagree terrorists are not exactly bad guys.

Piggy, I totally agree with your idea. Once people start interacting,they're outta control such as religions. One wants to Jihad the other, and the other one wants to crusade them back just because my god is kewler than yours. Wose, use religion as an excuse for doing something... Oh the love...

I never liked Communism because all I saw was people died and suffered from it rather than helping. But at least Karl Marx tried to find a solution, and now why shouldn't we?

Equality is a great thing, but if we really want to apply equality, it can turn pretty ugly. The least extreme form of equality I can think of is land and citizenship, as long as everyone lives under one entity. Land disputing might not be a problem anymore. Of course there are still people who want and do bad things happen to happy people. And of course, this will never happen... Now the exteme case of eqaulity:

I remember reading a story in literature class that one society was so equal that handsome people get their eyebrows shave off, wear a mask, if people are smart they put some sorts of device to keep distracting their thoughts so they can't concentrate or think. If people are strong and agile, they handicap them by chaining them with iron balls on their feet. The story was eventually this kid who finally couldn't take it anymore and went haywire, he went on the TV station and did all the rediculous things while his parents are watching. Then a woman from the Military showed up and shot him. His parents cried but then they got distracted by the devices and they don't remember why they were crying or what they were watching.

In another word, we'll never have world peace but still I like to dream of that one day I can go anywhere I want and everyone are just so darn happy and friendly

[Sepiraph]

True world peace is pretty much impossible unless we do something that partially alter the identity of the human species. Homo sapiens' behaviours are often similar to those found in other bipedal primates. You have to realize ultimately that our all negative desires and aggressive are genetically ingrained into us because we needed it back then when we needed to survive in the wild.

[kendonewbie]

[QUOTE=mingshi]Debt relief for 3rd world countries.
Provide aid for health care and education.
Fair trade.
Gender equality.[QUOTE] Gender equality is (slowly) making some progress, but health care and fair trade? When it comes to making money, people tend to want to get things done as cheaply as possible so they can make a larger profit. Providing health care and education....again, money calls the shots. In the state i live in, the budget for education is usually the first thing to be cut....and what money does go the schools is unevenly distributed and often wasted. At the middle school near me, all of the little ****s are given palm pilots....if we can't even get things right in our own countries, how would we go about fixing the world?

[kendokamax]

Again I think the world we live in now is much better than before. Of course there is millions of terrible things happening everyday but I want to believe that it is still much better and that we are in the good direction!

ganbarimashou!

[piggy]

North Korea is also communist. The only thing they have going for them really is their huge military (10% of the population was in the military, last i checked). Other than that...well, the people are starving, and their economy is crap

N. Korea has not failed just yet. the only reason they're currently still communist is because way back when, they had the help of good ol' communist russia to drive into S. Korea and push away American troops.

Revolutions only last one generation.

in history its been proved many times. the revolution dies with its leader. When Mr. Castro dies, Cubu will most likely have American influence or revert back to the old government or something. but it will not be the same.

[Hank]

N. Korea has not failed just yet. the only reason they're currently still communist is because way back when, they had the help of good ol' communist russia to drive into S. Korea and push away American troops.

Revolutions only last one generation.

in history its been proved many times. the revolution dies with its leader. When Mr. Castro dies, Cubu will most likely have American influence or revert back to the old government or something. but it will not be the same.Hmm - interesting. Kim Jong-il is the son of the leader in charge during Korean war, so that's gone on for more than a generation. Russia, China, USA, France, etc all had revolutions that lasted for much more than a generation. In fact, ignoring certain countries who have a revolution everytime the current leader goes for a leak, I can't think of any country whose revolution died with the leader. I'm not saying that Commie Cuba will not end with Castro - I'm just saying that history doesn't support the claim, as far as I know.

Hank.

[piggy]

Hmm - interesting. Kim Jong-il is the son of the leader in charge during Korean war, so that's gone on for more than a generation. Russia, China, USA, France, etc all had revolutions that lasted for much more than a generation. In fact, ignoring certain countries who have a revolution everytime the current leader goes for a leak, I can't think of any country whose revolution died with the leader. I'm not saying that Commie Cuba will not end with Castro - I'm just saying that history doesn't support the claim, as far as I know.

Hank.

you caught me...

you must admit, even if it doesnt end, once the origional leader dies, it takes away a lot of the energy that people had initially put into it.

[LNGUYEN]

Can't achieve World peace; but with this steps, we can reduce war.
1. All weapons are banned, destroyed, except Shinai
2. Country leaders must be Kendo Hachidan
3. No other religious except Kendo God, whoever he or she is
4. All conflicts should be settle in shiai and whoever win is right, and if it is draw, settle over a few pitches
5. All Men and Women wear nothing else except Keikogi and Hakama. And if you don't like long sentence, I will say: All Men and Women wear nothing.
6. All bogu must be handmade except children
7. The most expensive bogu must not exceed $2000 US

[kendonewbie]

Sorry, i have to bring this up (sorry if this makes me sound like Issac). Castro was originally a US agent who was supposed to take power in Cuba after the government was overthrown. Once he came to power, he was supposed to help cuba become a democracy....well, he did rise to power, so the first part worked. I guess the point i'm trying to make is that trying to fix another nations government by deliberatly placing someone new into power can backfire. Forcing another nation to change its government to an "ideal" one is usually resented by the people, which leads to another revolution eventually...

[piggy]

Can't achieve World peace; but with this steps, we can reduce war.
1. All weapons are banned, destroyed, except Shinai
2. Country leaders must be Kendo Hachidan
3. No other religious except Kendo God, whoever he or she is
4. All conflicts should be settle in shiai and whoever win is right, and if it is draw, settle over a few pitches
5. All Men and Women wear nothing else except Keikogi and Hakama. And if you don't like long sentence, I will say: All Men and Women wear nothing.
6. All bogu must be handmade except children
7. The most expensive bogu must not exceed $2000 US

8. representatives from all countries will meet in one big dojo.
9. people will live in dojos instead of apartments or houses.
10. if you commit a crime, you will have to shiai without bogu or a shinai. if you win, you will be set free. if you loose, you will have to make bogu for the rest of your life.
11. pepsi and coca cola advertising will be replaced with e-bogu and e-guchi.

[piggy]

Sorry, i have to bring this up (sorry if this makes me sound like Issac). Castro was originally a US agent who was supposed to take power in Cuba after the government was overthrown. Once he came to power, he was supposed to help cuba become a democracy....well, he did rise to power, so the first part worked. I guess the point i'm trying to make is that trying to fix another nations government by deliberatly placing someone new into power can backfire. Forcing another nation to change its government to an "ideal" one is usually resented by the people, which leads to another revolution eventually...


not all truth. Castro was not a US agent but in his campaign to eliminate the current dictator (Batista) the us secretly helped him in hopes that they could pursuade him to make the island a democracy. When he found out, he neglected thier help and instead, accepted help from the russians whom gave him nuclear weapons.

[drizzt]

it did not help anything that when castro came here, we treated him like a petty diplomat, but he went to russia and was treated like a king...

[Paikea]

it did not help anything that when castro came here, we treated him like a petty diplomat, but he went to russia and was treated like a king...Turns out that Woodrow Wilson did the same thing to Ho Chi Minh. Go figure.

[kendonewbie]

Take for example N Korea, although instead of debt relief they get things like food aid, econmic advice, agricultural donations. A couple of years later, they decide to use nuclear research as a bargaining tool to get more of what the top brass want. I know its not a perfect example, but it is still an adequate one I believe. Correct me if i'm wrong...but i remember learning in a korean culture class that there are very few natural resources in north korea, and their main way they earn money is buy importing raw goods/processing them and making weapons to be sold to other countries.

[drizzt]

Turns out that Woodrow Wilson did the same thing to Ho Chi Minh. Go figure.

it is a bit of an emerging pattern. Should have brought him here to A&M, were nice to almost everyone(except t-sips but hey....)

do you know that the US actualy saved ho chi minh's life at one point?

[Mugu]

Can't achieve World peace; but with this steps, we can reduce war.
1. All weapons are banned, destroyed, except Shinai
2. Country leaders must be Kendo Hachidan
3. No other religious except Kendo God, whoever he or she is
4. All conflicts should be settle in shiai and whoever win is right, and if it is draw, settle over a few pitches
5. All Men and Women wear nothing else except Keikogi and Hakama. And if you don't like long sentence, I will say: All Men and Women wear nothing.
6. All bogu must be handmade except children
7. The most expensive bogu must not exceed $2000 US

ROFL thta's a good one :) My boyfriend and I used to discuss we'll settle everything by playing duel match using any video games. Though I told him to use this idea just to settle our own fights, it never worked out, lol And also because some countries don't even have foods, they can't settle with video games. I guess Kendo is much doable since all we need is a shinai and some protection :) Good one! lol

[Gregory]

ROFL thta's a good one :) My boyfriend and I used to discuss we'll settle everything by playing duel match using any video games. Though I told him to use this idea just to settle our own fights, it never worked out, lol And also because some countries don't even have foods, they can't settle with video games. I guess Kendo is much doable since all we need is a shinai and some protection :) Good one! lol

Who doesnt have 700ish dollars :)

[h2o]

Who doesnt have 700ish dollars :)
Me and another 50% of the world's population... 700$ is quite a lot of money... :rolleyes:

[Jerott-Clark]

are you the only wuss in kendo history???

[Jerott-Clark]

oh yeah, do you like push pops? well i don't care because i think this earth needs to fight to know whats right.

[piggy]

are you the only wuss in kendo history???


i've put up with everything you've said up to this point but now, i'm tired of listening. on top of the numerous posts you've contributed, 95% of them are either deragatory or irrelevant to the subject. i'll admit, i post alot myself but i've been careful as to only post if it has something to do with the content of the thread. another thing would be to watch your ego.

also, another thing i must complain about is that you start threads that are completely rediculous. for example, your poop thread.

i'm sorry that i have to say something about this but i am sure that alot of the people on KWF would agree with me. i'm willing to let you have a second chance to shape up before i put you on my ignore list.

[kendonewbie]

I was about to say "heres the next issac-ryu, only with posts that can't even start a decent flame.." but he's banned now...wow, he joined 4 days ago....geez. how much crud do you have to post to get 40 posts in 4 days? Anyway...does anyone else have an insightful opinion to this topic?

[The great I AM]

Correct me if i'm wrong...but i remember learning in a korean culture class that there are very few natural resources in north korea, and their main way they earn money is buy importing raw goods/processing them and making weapons to be sold to other countries.

You are indeed not wrong, but that hasn't apparently stopped them from continually taking the piss out of the world, by always asking for the same stuff, and then always finding a reason to ask for more. And they can't be selling many weapons because the majority of the country is in poverty, after all they should be making plenty of cash from selling weapons right. Oh, hang on....

[kendonewbie]

And they can't be selling many weapons because the majority of the country is in poverty, after all they should be making plenty of cash from selling weapons right. Oh, hang on....The people are starving, yes. But not making much money? i dunno. With a war going on right now, you'd imagine the demand for weapons has gone up. Plus, their military is huge, and supporting an army of that size is not cheap. After paying for food, ammo, weapons, uniforms, equipment,weapons development, etc. they probably wouldn't have much money left over...

[piggy]

The people are starving, yes. But not making much money? i dunno. With a war going on right now, you'd imagine the demand for weapons has gone up. Plus, their military is huge, and supporting an army of that size is not cheap. After paying for food, ammo, weapons, uniforms, equipment,weapons development, etc. they probably wouldn't have much money left over...


N. korea will probably fall within my lifetime. i believe that if they do not burn themselves out (money and starvation issues) than another country will probably stop thier behavior. Think about it, even though they may have a great military program, they're still a small country and by threatening superpower countrys, they're just asking for a war.
Not to mention radicals in the country that will attempt a violent revolt.

[kendonewbie]

Ture. If they ever go to war, the radicals in the country very well make take advantage of that to start a revolt. While trying to fight off other countries, N. korea would have very little power to stop a revolt without having to divert troops...troops that would be needed to fight on the battlefield...

[The great I AM]

The people are starving, yes. But not making much money? i dunno. With a war going on right now, you'd imagine the demand for weapons has gone up. Plus, their military is huge, and supporting an army of that size is not cheap. After paying for food, ammo, weapons, uniforms, equipment,weapons development, etc. they probably wouldn't have much money left over...

Yeah, that must be why a huge number of their population is starving. That must be a great comfort to them.

And please take note of the small dribble of sarcasm hanging off the bottom of that last post....

And I very much doubt that N Korea could ever go to war anywhere, particularly given the political situation where they appear to be pissing off everybody, not just the almighty US of A but they are even starting to get on chinese tits, and china has long been NK's only ally.

I agree with piggy. And bagsy me for first dibs on Kim Yong Il's DVD collection.

[Infinity]

I remember reading a story in literature class that one society was so equal that handsome people get their eyebrows shave off, wear a mask, if people are smart they put some sorts of device to keep distracting their thoughts so they can't concentrate or think. If people are strong and agile, they handicap them by chaining them with iron balls on their feet. The story was eventually this kid who finally couldn't take it anymore and went haywire, he went on the TV station and did all the rediculous things while his parents are watching. Then a woman from the Military showed up and shot him. His parents cried but then they got distracted by the devices and they don't remember why they were crying or what they were watching.

There was a movie along a similar plot called "Harrison Bergeron".

Trying to create Utopia by controlling the people to the point of making them equal on every level is folly.

Much has been said here about human nature and our lack of acceptance of others with differing beliefs. There will never be understanding and love between religions as their very nature prohibits such a thing.

There will never be a world without poverty.
How can a country with no natural resources, no regular rainfall and nowhere to grow crops support a population with fertility rate of six children to every woman?

90% of the worlds’ wealth will always be in the hands of 10% of the population.

World peace? Not on this world.

Humans are too different from each other to realize and celebrate our similarities.

That is our nature.

[kendonewbie]

very well put

[Charuzu]

Hmmmmm........ =_=
Any one ever hear of Michio Kaku? He (sometimes) talks aboot a classifaction systen made by Nicolai Kardashev. If I am correct we are a type-0 civilization. Also, If I am correct one of the prerequisites to becomming a type-2 (or was It type-1?) is that we need to unite into one people.

Just a thought ^o^

[drizzt]

There was a movie along a similar plot called "Harrison Bergeron".

Trying to create Utopia by controlling the people to the point of making them equal on every level is folly.

Much has been said here about human nature and our lack of acceptance of others with differing beliefs. There will never be understanding and love between religions as their very nature prohibits such a thing.

There will never be a world without poverty.
How can a country with no natural resources, no regular rainfall and nowhere to grow crops support a population with fertility rate of six children to every woman?

90% of the worlds’ wealth will always be in the hands of 10% of the population.

World peace? Not on this world.

Humans are too different from each other to realize and celebrate our similarities.

That is our nature.


yes ANOTHER VONEGUT FAN :). i love his stuf....

[KhawMengLee]

There will never be world peace as long as the people who make decisions for their countries (3rd or 1st world or otherwise) want more than they have / deserve / can afford.

Yes...human desire...our greatest driving force is also the seed of our destruction...I think people tend confuse what they WANT as what they NEED.

Debt relief for 3rd world countries.
Provide aid for health care and education.
Fair trade.
Gender equality.
etc. etc.

If you are serious about keeping the world as peaceful as you want to, at least consider a few more serious, practical points, and have some social awareness...

Yes...debt relief is fine but I am absolutely against continuous aid support. A good example of how this fails was this documentary done by the BBC about how one of the African nations gets constant clothes donations from the Salvation Army. At the end of the day, the entire textile market in the country is based on these donated clothes. Its cheaper to get the donated items and sell them, then it is to produce them. As a result the entire textile industry has basically gone kaput. And what happens if the world stops giving aid...there is no support for their own infrastructure.

Foriegn aid to help gear their own local industry is fine but not otherwise.

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I think Fair trade and Capitalism are never going to be good bedfellows. The motto of the corporation or any business enterprise is minimum cost and maximum profit. Fair trade? in the capitalist world, you aim for the biggest piece of the pie...this of course leaves some poor sod with the small piece. bu then again is this wrong? Necessity often makes for brilliant people...the old "if it don't kill you its only making you stronger" argument.

Although communism sounds nice, we are individuals. To suppress this negates all point in living or existance.

[mingshi]

Gosh... I ran out of the willingness to argue, but here's what I wanted to copy-n-paste from:-

http://www.makepovertyhistory.org/whatwewant/index.shtml

Quick quotes:-

"Despite these initiatives (debt cancellation in 1998's G8), in country after country governments are spending more on repaying debts than they are on health or education. Rich countries continue to pursue unjust claims on the budgets of poor nations, with devastating effects for the world's poor. In Malawi, for example, more is spent on servicing the country's debt than on health, despite nearly one in five Malawians being HIV positive. In Zambia, debt repayments to the IMF alone cost $25 million, more than the budget for education despite 40% of rural women being unable to read and write.

"In Benin, 54% of the money saved through debt relief has been spent on health including rural primary health care and HIV programmes.
In Tanzania, debt relief enabled the government to abolish primary school fees, leading to a 66% increase in attendance.
After Mozambique was granted debt relief, it was able to offer all children free immunisation.
In Uganda, debt relief led to 2.2 million people gaining access to clean water.

"Young people who have completed primary education are less than half as likely to contract HIV as those missing an education. Universal primary education would prevent 700,000 cases of HIV each year, almost 30% of all new infections in this age group.

"Aid flows to Tanzania were made conditional on the government privatising the water system in Dar es Salaam. The move has increased water prices and made poor populations more vulnerable to water borne diseases like cholera.

"Between them (WTO, World Bank, IMF), they're forcing poor countries to open up their markets to foreign imports and businesses, and sell off public services like electricity - even when this isn't in their interest. They're also banning poor countries from supporting vulnerable farmers and industries, while wealthy nations continue to support their own.

All this is being done in the name of 'liberalisation' - and 'free trade' or leaving things to market forces.

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Ohem. Not a very bright start for the week, but at least better than reading troll sh!tes.

[Mugu]

Gosh... I ran out of the willingness to argue, but here's what I wanted to copy-n-paste from:-

No need to argue, just a discussion :) We're talking about world peace, not to kill each other like Issac_Ru

"Despite these initiatives (debt cancellation in 1998's G8), in country after country governments are spending more on repaying debts than they are on health or education. Rich countries continue to pursue unjust claims on the budgets of poor nations, with devastating effects for the world's poor. In Malawi, for example, more is spent on servicing the country's debt than on health, despite nearly one in five Malawians being HIV positive. In Zambia, debt repayments to the IMF alone cost $25 million, more than the budget for education despite 40% of rural women being unable to read and write.

Only if the money is handed to the write people. Let's say they don't have to repay $25 million a year, I'd say maybe 20% (I don't know the actual number, just guessing) of those money are actually going to somewhere only god knows. A large number of poor countries' officials are corrupted, let's just give them an excuse, "They're too poor to do the right things." I'm not saying all of them are like that, but it's hard to find someone who actually does the right things and help their own people. It's easier to tear down a house than to build one. But some the people who are building it right now are not putting the enough efforts or use some "other" materials to build it. It will fall eventually. You can say that I'm paranoid, but stuff like this actually happens. Another reason why we'll never have world peace though it is a good effort.

"Young people who have completed primary education are less than half as likely to contract HIV as those missing an education. Universal primary education would prevent 700,000 cases of HIV each year, almost 30% of all new infections in this age group.

I never believe in satistics because they never asked me! :D There's also one thing called Tradition. I remember reading something about that even the husbands have HIV and they knew about it, their wives will still have to sleep with their husbands whether they like it or not. The husbands they know it's bad, their children and wives can die from it. Even later the kids learn about it, it might be too late for them cause they probably were infected before they were born. But besides that, it only takes one idiot to pass the disease around. I'm sorry but I think the solution is figure out a way for both men and women to cut down on their sex drives. That probably better than educating them having safe sex. Of course, some of us rather have AIDS than not have sex. So no go again.

"Aid flows to Tanzania were made conditional on the government privatising the water system in Dar es Salaam. The move has increased water prices and made poor populations more vulnerable to water borne diseases like cholera.

These are the idiots that I'm talking about...

"Between them (WTO, World Bank, IMF), they're forcing poor countries to open up their markets to foreign imports and businesses, and sell off public services like electricity - even when this isn't in their interest. They're also banning poor countries from supporting vulnerable farmers and industries, while wealthy nations continue to support their own.

Not to mention the way the big guys farm destroy quite a bit of farmlands.

Thanks for sharing Mingshi :)

[piggy]

world peace will be impossible to have because it is a very difficult mentality to put someone elses needs before our own. most of the time, its just not conveinent and that why we dont do it in daily life.

by putting someone elses needs before ours, we begin to take down the borders that seporate people. when people finally realize that in the long run, we're all after the same thing, we will start to put our differences apart and unite.

Its hard to provide financial or health aid to other countrys. between taking care of the people in your own country and people in another country, critical decisions have to be made. how much do you spend on this foreign country? too little and they think you dont care or that you're cheap. too much and your own country becomes out raged. after all, how much money is the US in debt? last time i checked it was bordering 7 to 8 trillion dollars.

[kendonewbie]

the USA's total debt is $7,932,696,424,284.74 right now, if this report is correct... http://www.publicdebt.treas.gov/opd/opdpenny.htm. God knows how much worse its going to get with Bush as president. I don't think he's quite grasped that cutting taxes cuts the governments budget, and adding more programs is going add on to the debt. Some of the programs he's started are worthless...like the "No Child Left Behind" act. Most people have no idea what it is, or what it does..other than more paperwork. I honestly can't say there has been any improvement with the school systems around where i live.

One thing i don't like about the american government is they keep passing new bills and acts that they think will help people, but actually harm people instead. Like the McCarthy act, or the Burea of Indian affairs, or the Japanese detention camps during WWII. Forget world peace, fixing our own countries is going to take forever.

[piggy]

Forget world peace, fixing our own countries is going to take forever.

if i had my own country, it would be the greatest county ever. no BS just one awsome dictator Yeah!!

[Andou]

Seems as though the only way to get everything equaled up is to start a new...like the anime "X"...or my signature...hey! My signature actually applies to something on the forums!

Seriously though...I doubt in our lifetime...well...I'm positive that in my lifetime we won't be seeing world peace. If only...

See the world as one through Kendo...I think that's the best I can do right now. Either kendo or soccer...but I guess soccer has pretty big rivalries. But then kendo does too, doesn't it?

[Charuzu]

Some of the programs he's started are worthless...like the "No Child Left Behind" act. Most people have no idea what it is, or what it does..other than more paperwork.

Actually..... no. In the Syracuse, NY area their was a hude fuss becuse the new tests who's orgins is the "No child left behind act" that was not in spanish and doomed quite alot of Children of mexican decent. I also know that quite alot of schools have downsized becuse of it. Thus in the end, if you are a student or teacher it has a BIG and nasty effect.

However, to be fare they had good intentions but are unwilling to swallow their pride and admit their mistake. Rember, this is the "Mission Accomplished" Guy here ^o^

[Infinity]

Actually..... no. In the Syracuse, NY area their was a hude fuss becuse the new tests who's orgins is the "No child left behind act" that was not in spanish and doomed quite alot of Children of mexican decent. I also know that quite alot of schools have downsized becuse of it. Thus in the end, if you are a student or teacher it has a BIG and nasty effect.

However, to be fare they had good intentions but are unwilling to swallow their pride and admit their mistake. Rember, this is the "Mission Accomplished" Guy here ^o^
can you explain the 'no child left behind' act?
what was the government trying to accomplish?

[Mugu]

can you explain the 'no child left behind' act?
what was the government trying to accomplish?

I don't know much about it, but you can find out more in detail here:

http://www.ed.gov/nclb/landing.jhtml?src=pb

All I know about this act is that a lot of teachers lost their jobs, kids' grades got worse. And the education system is worse than ever. Everytime I visit my high school, my teachers would tell me, "Oh, we're having another budget cut." (we used to have enough money to expand the school and have great teachers). That's all I know about it.

[kendonewbie]

Everytime I visit my high school, my teachers would tell me, "Oh, we're having another budget cut. lol. Same here. My school doesn't even have the money to fix the roof, which leaks as if it was its job. I didn't know about the spanish program, though. I guess the No Child Left Behind act has done something good....

[piggy]

lol. Same here. My school doesn't even have the money to fix the roof, which leaks as if it was its job. I didn't know about the spanish program, though. I guess the No Child Left Behind act has done something good....


what i hate is that our school put in a couple million dollars to make a theatre for drama (aparently the gym wasnt good enough) but we still have a terrible music department. the instruments are all dented but thank goodness we bought 42 steel drums because only 12 are ever used.

jerks...

[Charuzu]

lol. Same here. My school doesn't even have the money to fix the roof, which leaks as if it was its job. I didn't know about the spanish program, though. I guess the No Child Left Behind act has done something good....

If it has, I have not seen it. Any good person would remove it but Bush is surrounded by his praetorian guards and with their support he is driven to megalomaina and narrsism thus he does lots of dumb stuff.

Also, his praetorian guard is not just the higher ups in the white house but even more the religious right.

PS - Just be happy that Zell Miller isn't in Bushes place ^o^

[kendonewbie]

Sorry...i misread your post about spanish, Caruzu. I personally can see no postive effects of the No Child Left Behind program. Then again, what do you expect from someone who graduated high school with about a 2.0 GPA?

[Gregory]

Ok, the no child left behind program doesnt take into account the special cases. I am personally in the Highly gifted magnet, which means I am in the top 2 % of the world. The crappy progam he put up completely kills the HGM

[kendonewbie]

All i've noticed about No child left behind is that it screws schools out of funding/staff, cuts school budgets, and wastes lots of money doing both.

[h2o]

which means I am in the top 2 % of the world. 2% of what?

[Lucien]

How can a country with no natural resources, no regular rainfall and nowhere to grow crops support a population...

Hmm...Services?

[mingshi]

How can a country with no natural resources, no regular rainfall and nowhere to grow crops support a population...
Where are you talking about??

More than half of the poorest countries in the world are in the tropics. FYI here are where your natural resources and crops can be found (I'll just focus on Africa):-

Oil= Nigeria, Sudan, Rep. Congo, Algeria, Equatoral Guinea
Diamonds= Sierra Leone, Angola, DR Congo
Gold= Rwanda, Ethopia
Timber= Liberia, Cameroon, DR Congo
Cocoa= Ivory Coast, Ghana

There must be a list somewhere but I can't be bothered... Anyhow you'll find other resources like rubber, tea, coffee, banana, palm tree (oil), iron, copper, uranium, tantalum, etc. etc. and they are never short of it.

[Hai_hai]

Well instead of arguing who's right or wrong, who should die who shouldn't. How about a thread on some world peace? hehe What are somethings you think might be possible for world peace? After seeing the Tsunami disasters, these are some things I came up with.

As for me:

1. We need an aliens invade Earth and dominate it so every country can shut up and united. If they fight, the aliens will blast them to the deepest part of hell. By this time, humans will united again because humans only unite when some craps they can't take care by themselves. I'm using the aliens to play the bad guys so we can see what a bunch of idiots we are that we can't be nice to each other until crap happens. Great timing to propose a world peace resolution after we kick the aliens out.


2. Just somebody, I don't care who. Dominate the world, again, we won't be friends until someone do crap things to all of us. This won't work as well as the Aliens now coz people will hate this certain country where this guy was from.

3. United Nations should just be called "The Earthies" because under one country, everybody will follow the same laws and orders. There will be only one citizenship, and you're an Earthling. Everybody is free to travel anywhere without borders. Marry whoever the heck you like, 100 years from now everybody will be the same colors because interracial marriages can really tone everybody to brown. And this entire Earthies nation willl work better if we have all those biometrix systems installed just like "The Minority Report" (we still have to keep track of the criminals and rebels after all)

Keep your imaginations coming...
1. Tom Cruise would side with the aliens. He would control Earth and there would be total chaos with Nicole Kidman leading the rebellion.

2. Hitler tried that.

3. UN sucks. On a more serious note, that would make World Cup soccer and the Olympics boring with only one country and one team and no losers.

[Andou]

1. Tom Cruise would side with the aliens. He would control Earth and there would be total chaos with Nicole Kidman leading the rebellion.

2. Hitler tried that.

3. UN sucks. On a more serious note, that would make World Cup soccer and the Olympics boring with only one country and one team and no losers.

Does that mean Scientology would become the policy of the earth?

[drizzt]

that or tom cruise would invent a new religion were he's god.......im pretty shure he thinks he is already....


God Hai Hai, that crack about the olympics is classic..I have to borrow that for my sig lol

[kendonewbie]

what i hate is that our school put in a couple million dollars to make a theatre for drama (aparently the gym wasnt good enough) but we still have a terrible music department. the instruments are all dented but thank goodness we bought 42 steel drums because only 12 are ever used.
jerks...
You want to know whats even a bigger waste of money than that? A million dollar football field. I don't know where they got the money, but they somehow felt the a new football field was a better investment than say...fixing the roof or killing the rats that run around the school. We even have a "football class" to go with it!!. I wish i could say i was joking.....

....honestly....people these days....

[piggy]

You want to know whats even a bigger waste of money than that? A million dollar football field. I don't know where they got the money, but they somehow felt the a new football field was a better investment than say...fixing the roof or killing the rats that run around the school. We even have a "football class" to go with it!!. I wish i could say i was joking.....

....honestly....people these days....


we have a football feild/ track, highjump, longjump etc.
nicest one around i might say. 4 gyms, yes four gyms for what purpose? i dont know. and a pointless courtyard to top it all off.
i'm going to keep bugging the school about it untill we get a million dollar dojo. (they way we're going i'd say it wont be too long...)

[kendonewbie]

(laughs)million dollar dojo, huh? does that include equipment? such as carbon shinai and expensive bogu for everyone? sure wish there was a dojo like that. (laughs again) Million dollar dojo, now thats a good idea!

[piggy]

(laughs)million dollar dojo, huh? does that include equipment? such as carbon shinai and expensive bogu for everyone? sure wish there was a dojo like that. (laughs again) Million dollar dojo, now thats a good idea!

we have the technology. we can build one. better, stronger and faster than a normal dojo. the floors will be solid gold, the ceiling will be painted by guernica and Hai Hai will get to wear his platinum RBSO bogu!

[kendonewbie]

ha ha. A platinum bogu, huh. If only there were such thing....i think the (high)going rate for platinium right now is..what...$580 per gram. A platinum bogu....i feel poor just thinking about it..

[Infinity]

Where are you talking about??

More than half of the poorest countries in the world are in the tropics. FYI here are where your natural resources and crops can be found (I'll just focus on Africa):-

Oil= Nigeria, Sudan, Rep. Congo, Algeria, Equatoral Guinea
Diamonds= Sierra Leone, Angola, DR Congo
Gold= Rwanda, Ethopia
Timber= Liberia, Cameroon, DR Congo
Cocoa= Ivory Coast, Ghana

There must be a list somewhere but I can't be bothered... Anyhow you'll find other resources like rubber, tea, coffee, banana, palm tree (oil), iron, copper, uranium, tantalum, etc. etc. and they are never short of it.

i take your point.
however, how many of these countries have the funding, infrastructure and technology to make use of these many resources?
how many of them can actually acquire and refine the many rescources and make money from them?
if they are so rich with natural resources why are their people starving?
it is not all from corupt governements and wars surely.

i could look up the answers to these questions but its more fun reading the 'educated' opinions of the people of these forums.

an interesting site is http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/ng.html

just keep in mind most 'facts' originate from a particular perspective.

[Mugu]

we have the technology. we can build one. better, stronger and faster than a normal dojo. the floors will be solid gold, the ceiling will be painted by guernica and Hai Hai will get to wear his platinum RBSO bogu!

I'm with you on this one, lol I'll check back again when I win the 2 billion dollars lottery, lol And free platium bogu for everyone, lol :D

[mingshi]

...however, how many of these countries have the funding, infrastructure and technology to make use of these many resources?
how many of them can actually acquire and refine the many rescources and make money from them?
if they are so rich with natural resources why are their people starving?
it is not all from corupt governements and wars surely...
Not sure if these are actually questions or your thoughts on the issue.

Isn't the whole "world peace" issue about "if they are so rich with natural resources, why are their people starving?"

...and I thought I did commend on the need of debt relief, aid, policy reform, fair trade, etc. etc.? Poorer nations are bounded to be exploited because they have no choice. They could have use their natural resources in exchange to better their infrastructure etc. - but there is never a balance as far as economics with their trading partners is concerned...

BTW Niger didn't sell uranium to Saddam Hussain - despite having the 4th largest deposits in the world.

[kendonewbie]

if they are so rich with natural resources, why are their people starving?"
Because the people get ripped of. The people who harvest/mine/collect the goods are usually paid low wages, especially in 3rd world countries.

[Hai_hai]

Isn't the whole "world peace" issue about "if they are so rich with natural resources, why are their people starving?"
Not really, you could theoretically feed everyone who is starving and there would still be war and fighting.

[Infinity]

BTW Niger didn't sell uranium to Saddam Hussain - despite having the 4th largest deposits in the world.
probably because they dont have the facilities to get it out of the ground...

[SkippyDaStudent]

I swear, the only way to trully get world peace anymore is to remove humanity and its achievements from the world. World peace is a great idea that, on paper, could work. However, Communism also works on paper. Humans screw that one up too.

I think the weirdest thing as far as world peace and politics goes is that of all the countries to supposedly have nuclear weapons, the one who has used them on another country gets to keep them.

Just a thought. You can all ignore me.

[Infinity]

so is humanity doomed?
a small kendo forum cant even come up with serious though imaginative way to unite the eath's people.
all we can agree on is humanity's greedy and corupt nature and the impossibility of peace.
i guess that is a start...

[kendonewbie]

Doomed? possibly. Who knows? There will always be fighting, but i don't think thats nesscarily going to kill all of humanity.

[Hai_hai]

so is humanity doomed?
a small kendo forum cant even come up with serious though imaginative way to unite the eath's people.
all we can agree on is humanity's greedy and corupt nature and the impossibility of peace.
i guess that is a start...
Well, humanity is doomed. But in a non-related subject, your spelling is atrocious. WHERE IS THE SPELLING POLICE???

[KhawMengLee]

"Self improvemnt? That's masturbation. Now self destruction..." - Tyler Durden.

[Hai_hai]

Interesting gif in your signature. Do you like Samurai Shodown?

[mingshi]

probably because they dont have the facilities to get it out of the ground...
You what? Hello?? I thought you've read something about it to bring it to the table?!

Here, read:-

"Three countries in Africa are officially listed by the World Nuclear Association as uranium producing countries.

They are Niger, Namibia and South Africa.

Niger produces 2,900 tons of uranium per year, which it sells mainly to France, Japan and Spain. "

-- from the BBC site

Last time I check on Nigeria, oh yes they produce oil, Mobil, Shell, etc. are all in it.

[KhawMengLee]

Interesting gif in your signature. Do you like Samurai Shodown?

Used to play it in high school...you were either a street fighter geek, mortal kombat geek, king of fighters geek or samurai showdown geek.

[Infinity]

You what? Hello?? I thought you've read something about it to bring it to the table?!

Here, read:-

"Three countries in Africa are officially listed by the World Nuclear Association as uranium producing countries.

They are Niger, Namibia and South Africa.

Niger produces 2,900 tons of uranium per year, which it sells mainly to France, Japan and Spain. "

-- from the BBC site

Last time I check on Nigeria, oh yes they produce oil, Mobil, Shell, etc. are all in it.
thanks for that.

[Hai_hai]

Used to play it in high school...you were either a street fighter geek, mortal kombat geek, king of fighters geek or samurai showdown geek.
I loved Samurai Shodown. Good times.

[Mugu]

I loved Samurai Shodown. Good times.

Hattori Hanzo is the best :D

[SkippyDaStudent]

I was the Street Fighter geek... XD

[Hai_hai]

I don't know why, but I often chose... Charlotte.

[DarQik]

No idea what this thread is about but...I loved Samurai Shodown. Good times.Choden sai... Hauamaru.. No, I can't spell those sounds... but I spent a lot of money on it. I was a mere B rank samurai player. I played some god-like experts, make a good showing against the less than god-like, and slaughter those without timing and skill.

Nothing like standing there letting people walk up to challenge you, barely win the first, let them win the second, and then make it look like it was close on the third.. Keeps 'em pumping quarters wondering why they never win.

[Paikea]

Well, humanity is doomed. But in a non-related subject, your spelling is atrocious. WHERE IS THE SPELLING POLICE???Busy, low on beer.

[Charuzu]

It's Haohmaru and also.....
Rimiruru ownz them all. I also have both OVA's, a few figures, The Soundtrack, the manga, all the NeoGeo games and both of the computer RPG's.

Yes.... I am a insane otaku... now let me cuddle with my Rimiruru plush? doll thingee.... (j/k)

[Satan]

and not all european countries are at peace.
*cough* bosnia and hertzagovina *cough*

One of my failures, they are in peace.... Have you been sleeping the last couple of years? You live right next door (practically), good to see such involvement....

I love to hear that bad cough.....

[Satan]

you caught me....

Because you are rather full of it..... I'll see u soon ;)