Hiten-Mitsurugi Ryu

[Rurouni_Richard]

Is Hiten-Mitsurugi Ryu an actual style? If it is, then is it still taught? (Yes, I'm one of those "Rurouni Kenshin" manga fans. Please don't shun me!)

[DCPan]

http://www.kendo-world.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6433&highlight=mitsurugi

http://www.e-budo.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9358&highlight=hiten

http://www.e-budo.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10188&highlight=hiten

http://forums.swordforum.com/showthread.php?threadid=5916&highlight=hiten

[GoldenShinai]

Theres been like 897234978234078352384735733479 threads on this topic.

[2SwordStyle]

Found this Article online. Looks intresting...

http://articles.theotaku.com/view.php?action=retrieve&id=481


Rurouni Kenshin is a popular historical fiction anime, but many of the characters and events really existed. The whole time period, the Meiji Era, were in the mid 1800’s after the revolution overthrowing the old system of society. Western cultures began to seep in much to the dismay of some traditionalists. Also, many characters have existed or were based on historical figures although their true story might be a little different.

Probably the character in Rurouni Kenshin that is most accurately portrayed compared to his historical counterpart is Hajime Saitou. He lived from 1844-1915 and was the captain of the third unit of the Shinsengumi, just like in the show. It was reported he was a skilled swordsman excelling in a left handed thrust. This however was not the Gatotsu. After the chaos of the revolution, he joined the police force under the alias of Goro Fujita. This alias and occupation is mirrored in the anime as well. Because of his sword skill he was also given special permission to wield a katana versus the sabers the police force used. The early history of his life is slightly distorted, it was never confirmed if he was a son of a ronin or he if had killed someone (possibly by accident) and then joined the army in Kyoto. It is said he was introverted and mysterious, even dubbed a sort of executioner since he assassinated many corrupt members of his own group and the police force.

The protaganist, Himura Kenshin/Shinta is a shadow of Gensai Kawakami. Kawakami was an assassin for the Choushu clan during the revolution and was said to be the most terrible of the 4 great assassins. There were mentions on how he could have been mistaken as a girl at first glance, but descriptions of his personality said otherwise. He was cold and calculating, famous for assassinating Kuma Shozan in broad daylight. His sword style was Furanui of kenjutsu, which used lightning fast movements like the Hiten Mitsurugi style. Gensai Kawakami met his end in 1871when his ideals clashed with the Meiji government and he was executed on false charges.

Another character with a prominent historical background is Makoto Shishio, or Serizawa Kamo. He was educated in swordsmanship since he was young and generally carried a bad name. In 1860 he joined the Tengo-to and rose to be a main member. The Tengu-to was an extremist group against foreigners, they followed the ideal ‘sonno joi’ which meant ‘revere the emperor and expel the foreigners’. However, the group was disbanded and jailed when power ties shifted. Later on, Kamo was released from jail and then went on to become one of the founders for the Shinsengumi, the group who opposed the revolutionists. He was known for his bad temper and cruel punishments. One time while he was part of the Tengu-to he found out 3 lower members had broken the rules and personally beheaded them. This cruelty was manifested in Shishio’s actions and personality.

Last but not least, is the historical double of Sojirou Seta, one of Shishio’s men. Souji Okita was a kenjutsu prodigy, becoming an instructor at age 18. He was considered one of the strongest of the Shinsengumi along with Hajime Saito and Nagakura Shinpachi. He died of tuberculosis at age 25 in a hospital in Edo. The anime doesn’t quite do his historical counterpart justice, as the protagonist of Peacemaker Kurogane there is far more detail there.

So there you have it. It’s fascinating to see the historical counterparts of characters in Rurouni Kenshin. The contrasts between the fictional face and the person who really existed make excellent food for thought.

[2SwordStyle]

A liner note to that is that that article was a bit off in that Okita was portrayed as himself in the OVA trust and betrayel

[samurai999]

noooooooo. the question from hell arises again.

Tim

[Charuzu]

Please don't shun me!)

Don't worry! Also of us here got into this becuse of that series! Besides we are all family here! ^o^

[T.Lee]

you must gather your chakra first, then form the correct signs in sequence.... oh wait, sorry wrong series.

[ShinKenshi]

Is Hiten-Mitsurugi Ryu an actual style? If it is, then is it still taught? (Yes, I'm one of those "Rurouni Kenshin" manga fans. Please don't shun me!) Just a friendly warning that you're probably going to get a lot of flak for this. You have no idea how many people have asked this question. My recommendation is to make a search for Hittenmitsugi-ryu, read them, and just use the search in general to see if your question has already been answered. Don't take any comments negatively, it's just we've had a few too many Otaku ask us this before.

[kendonewbie]

i doubt that hiten mitsurigui is an actual style. The manga (or anime) has very, very loose historical ties in terms of characters, and some of the moves are based off real (just extremely exaggerated), but thats as far as it goes. Even if it ever did exist, i seriously doubt that it would be taught today.

[2SwordStyle]

in short the Hiten-Mitsurugi Ryu as well as Kenshin are both Fictional representations of Gensai Kawakami and his own style Furanui Kenjutsu which is said to have died when he was executed by the Meiji Governmant. Nothing supernatural or godlike about it, simply a very fast hitokiri style which were common in that age.

[nicho]

There is a Hiten Mitsurugi style! Ive seen someone move so fast and jump so high that he can stand on your sword without you knowing it before you can say MEN! He says he trains by jumping over mountains and racing automobiles. Gosh I wish i knew how to fight like him.

[Mr. Donigan]

noooooooo. the question from hell arises again.

Tim

Actually the question from hell for me is "do we play or practice kendo?" Gets my goat everytime, yet everytime I feel the need to reply!

[kendonewbie]

i wonder how many people started kendo to "learn the secrets of hiten mitsurigi"...no offense intended...just a rhetorical question

[ScottUK]

You know what? I'm gonna start teaching Hiten Mitsurugi Ryu at my secret dojo. There is so many people who wanna learn it, I could make a sodding fortune. Anyone got any tapes they can lend me so I can formulate a curriculum?

[yohed55]

wow, i didnt know people would even think that was a real ryu. :confused2

[2SwordStyle]

wow, i didnt know people would even think that was a real ryu. you must not know allota anime fans :)

I've had Anime obsessed people I know who know I train Kenjutsu come up and tell me and actually try and debate technique with me. I usually hand them a shinai and say "show me".

A couple whelts on the upper arms later they usually bow out of the debate.

[Jerott-Clark]

Theres been like 897234978234078352384735733479 threads on this topic.


i love your signature

[Jerott-Clark]

you must not know allota anime fans :)

I've had Anime obsessed people I know who know I train Kenjutsu come up and tell me and actually try and debate technique with me. I usually hand them a shinai and say "show me".

A couple whelts on the upper arms later they usually bow out of the debate.


I love anime!

[2SwordStyle]

I like Anime too, just that some people annoy me because they think they can learn the sword just by watching it.

[Rurouni_Richard]

Hmm... the "question from hell"? Sorry about that. You see, I'm rather naive about everything right now. I have a very strong passion to learn the art of japanese swordsmanship, and seem to be getting a little ahead of myself. I suppose I should first learn the basic basics before getting into such(obviously) deep discussions about things I have no idea about. I'm so horribly lost. I want to learn so much, so fast, and yet I have no nearby schools to attend, and so, I've resorted to learning everything I need online. Could somebody give me a glossary of terms, or something? That would be wonderful!

[Andou]

Don't be too hard on yourself. It's just that it's such an overdone question is all. But, what I do have to say, if the AUSKF website is up to date, I'm sorry to say that there aren't any AUSKF affiliated dojos in your state. I'm not sure about iaido, though, so you could always check that out. As for a glossary, try Shred Lords kendo wiki.

[kendonewbie]

"The question from hell arises again?" lol. How many times has this come up before? I did a search and didn't find much....

[ScottUK]

http://www.kendo-world.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6433

[ScottUK]

http://www.kendo-world.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5612

[kendonewbie]

ah...i see. Now i get why people call it "the question from hell" lol. Thanks for the forum links.

[Ronin055]

One day in the local mall, I actually met a young man who claimed to be a "samurai master" and to make it worse, he was a master of Hiten-mitsurugi batto jutsu"

I informed him I held a ni-dan in Eishin Ryu Iaijutsu and he kinda looked all weird and said.. "whats that?" I said well, its kinda like Batto.

I told him we had a dojo. Hopeing against hope that he would come. Would learn Iai, and abandon his fantasy nonsense.

his immediate reply was.. "if I come, .. .. can I duel you.. .. I have a hard time finding anyone to duel these days."

the rest of the conversation was straight out of some psychology manuel I swear.

The scary thing was, I thought I would break through his nonsense by asking the simplest question. "whos your teacher" But he had an immediate answer.

Two things scare me. #1 this knuckle head telling people that his style is real. And #2 the far worse thought, some idiot trained him and told him that it WAS real.

[kendonewbie]

oh man....that bad, huh? how old was the kid? I know a lot of middle school..even high school kids buy that stuff...

[Mr. Donigan]

Wow, that scares me alot!

[yohed55]

wow, that makes me want to laugh/ cry


p.s. you're a Nidan! that's so cool, sorry for gawking

[ScottUK]

We do a yearly iai/jodo/kendo demo at SENI, a martial arts expo and get tons of these guys buying Highlander swords and asking where they can learn to use them... :D

[2SwordStyle]

One day in the local mall, I actually met a young man who claimed to be a "samurai master" and to make it worse, he was a master of Hiten-mitsurugi batto jutsu"


We get allot of those people come into our class. They mostly get attracted on nights when we have Iaijutsu and Bamboo/Goza mat cutting. Since we practice in a gym we tend to draw spectators.
Every single time one of these guys comes in they leave after 1 or 2 classes. I'd have to say that maybe 1 out of every 20 people that come in to try a class end up leaving. Training in our dojo is intense.

[ScottUK]

Hi 2Sword,

Off-topic, but what style of iai have you incorporated into your sword arts class?

Regards,

[2SwordStyle]

I honestly don't know the spacific name, It's just Iaijutsu as far as I know. I can ask Sensei when I see him tomorrow.

I've just started doing 2 sword draw and cut with Live Katana and Wakazashi. I gotta tell ya it's nearve wracking drawing 2 live swords fast. Was doing it with 1 blade for a long time before Sensei let me put the Wakazashi in my Obi. Even then he had me start with live Katana and wooden Wakazashi for quite a while before I got a live Wakazashi on me.

Currently practicing with Paul chen Practical Plus Katana and Wakazashi.

[Hisham]

Pretty interested in your Sensei's answer two.

[hiko]

As a Kenshin fan, I'm not too interested in the techniques of Hiten Mitsurugi (because they're rediculous), but I like the philosphy behind the style. If you want to learn the philosophy behind Hiten Mitsurugi, and watch some of the best Anime in the process, check out the OVA series Samurai X. I think the OVA kills the regular anime. Samurai X is three DVDs, I bought the box set for like $45.

[pgsmith]

If you want to learn the philosophy behind Hiten Mitsurugi, and watch some of the best Anime in the process, check out the OVA series Samurai X.
Thanks, but no thanks. I think I'll go practice and attempt to learn the philosophy of real sword arts instead. :)

[samurai999]

I have no qualms with ppl who enjoy watching anime as I myself enjoy watching too. (Intial D and Samurai Champloo at the moment) but when ppl try to blur the lines btwn anime (fiction) and reality is when I say ppl have gone a bit far..

Tim

[2SwordStyle]

Most of these historical based anime's don't stray too far from actual swordsmanship in the philosophy department. It is after all Japanese Anime...made in japan...by the japanese.

As far as technique and the like well, thats odviously exagerated and in some cases totaly off. But i think in general they take philosophy seriously over there and translate it pretty well into their media.

[hiko]

Pgsmith, is that your attitude in life? So quick to judge?

Samurai999, some anime, Samurai X and Akira in particular, are heavily influenced by ideas from reality. Is anime real? Obviously not. But in some of them are many thought provoking themes and lessons about life.

I agree with 2SwordStyle about the Japanese and their applications of philosophy.

[samurai999]

The point I was trying to make is.. Anime is NOT real, just like what hiko says. I'm talking about ppl going about kendo practice thinking they are in a samurai movie or some anime samurai movie.. Thats what I meant by "blurring the lines".. Its true that anime is somewhat influenced by history, BUT thats where it should end. ppl who become fanatics and act out their "anime fantasies" are just taking things too far IMHO....

Take this guy for example...

http://www.myspace.com/neotokyoprophet

Lastly, just because Japanese anime is Japanese doesn't mean it is chock full of Japanese heritage and philosophy.... Take FLCL for example.....

Tim

[hiko]

I see what you mean. I visited the site, not quite sure what to make of it (very messy). It's like a blog/personal ad.

Yes, there are too many that go into kendo expecting to perform Hiten Mitsurugi's ultimate technique. Actually, I have a funny story about that.

I recently joined this kung fu place. I was getting a private lesson on the bo staff. After the lesson, I noticed they had bokkens, so I picked one up. I said "So you like Japanese swordmanship a lot?"
"I know it well, but my specialty is the kung fu sabre."
He took up his kung fu sabre, and showed me all these neat things he could do to overpower and outmaneuver the traditional japanese swordsman.
"That was pretty cool." I said.
"Yeah, I once taught a class with some anime people in it. I showed them how the kung fu sabre could defeat the katana in several instances. They didn't like it."
"They didn't like seeing Kenshin lose, I bet."
"Pretty much."

[2SwordStyle]

LOL Japanese vs Chinese is a whole nother mess. But personally I believe in the Japanese sword.

For the following reasons

-Better actual sword (the katana is the most advanced sword weapon crafted in the old world)

-Less wasted energy (Japanese swordsmanship is about as "to the point" as it gets. Every strike has a killing purpose)

-Lifestyle (the samurai or the old world was utterley dedicated to swordsmanship is every aspect of life. The chineese to my knowldge never had a class of such dedication to the sword or swordsmanship.)

[splice]

As a Kenshin fan, I'm not too interested in the techniques of Hiten Mitsurugi (because they're rediculous), but I like the philosphy behind the style. If you want to learn the philosophy behind Hiten Mitsurugi, and watch some of the best Anime in the process, check out the OVA series Samurai X. I think the OVA kills the regular anime. Samurai X is three DVDs, I bought the box set for like $45.

That's pretty funny when you consider that in the OVA he had broken off from his teacher because he didn't agree with his philosophy. It's in the anime series that he goes back and finally understands what his swordsmanship is about, so if you want the supposed philosophy behind Hiten Mitsurugi Ryu, that's where you should look, not the OVAs.

[naskendo]

I have some websites related to this art which shows the moves list and the techniques. Some of the moves of hiten art is possible that depends that how fast and accurate u are. Anyway if anyone wants the techniques just ask me. I think the art of hiten mitsurgi ryu should not be taught to everyone becoz just like other martial arts it will become common. I am uttering nonsens coz it is impossible to teach hiten since it is ficiton art but some of the moves possible but what I am saying is make this art rare!!

[splice]

I have some websites related to this art which shows the moves list and the techniques. Some of the moves of hiten art is possible that depends that how fast and accurate u are. Anyway if anyone wants the techniques just ask me. I think the art of hiten mitsurgi ryu should not be taught to everyone becoz just like other martial arts it will become common. I am uttering nonsens coz it is impossible to teach hiten since it is ficiton art but some of the moves possible but what I am saying is make this art rare!!

The art doesn't exist. The techniques don't exist. This is all fiction, even the author of the manga said so. There is nothing to teach, and a list of "possible moves" is ridiculous and on the same level as twirling sticks in your backyard; it has nothing to do with swordsmanship and everything to do with teenage fantasies.

I want this art to be so rare that I don't ever want to hear one person say they practice it or teach it. So rare that even you shouldn't ever speak of it and you should keep these silly ideas to yourself. The only part of your message worth reading is when you say you are uttering nonsense, and there I agree completely. You should stop that.

[ShinKenshi]

Agreed. I doubt we'll ever convince the entire population of Otaku that Hittenmitsurugi-ryu is fiction but we can point them in the right direction. Personally I'd rather not see a surge in the number of people sent to the hospital for loss of limbs due to the fact that they were using a shinken while imitating Kenshin or Hiko Seijuro.

[pgsmith]

Most of these historical based anime's don't stray too far from actual swordsmanship in the philosophy department.
That's total crap! They are cartoons made by cartoonists! They have absolutely nothing to do with reality. It's exactly the same with Japanese chanbara. It looks really cool on the screen, but it's people with fake swords doing fake technique specifically designed to look cool on the screen! These people aren't historians, they're animators. For goodness sakes, it's like trying to understand the life of American indians by watching Disney's Pocahontas!

It is after all Japanese Anime...made in japan...by the japanese.
So? Japanese sword arts are only marginally more common in Japan (percentage wise) than they are in the U.S. Kendo is widely known, but if you ask the average Japanese about iaido or kenjutsu they will give you as blank a look as the average American.

Quickdraw McGraw was a cartoon about the old west. If we use your logic, it accurately portrays what the old west was like since it was a U.S. cartoon ... made in the U.S....by Americans. :D

Hey Babaloooey !!! (wow, does that date me or what!)


Pgsmith, is that your attitude in life? So quick to judge?
Yep, it sure is. You see, I have this strange ability to be able to figure out the difference between life and cartoons. I think it was when I walked too near that nuclear fuel spill. I felt sorta woozy and then had this awesome power!! But not to worry, I only ever use it for the good of mankind. :D

[hiko]

Actually, Kenshin strayed from his master in the OVA because he didn't truly understand the principles of Hiten Mitsurugi. He suffers greatly for it, and undergoes much internal strife. In the series, he goes back to what Hiten Mitsurugi really means, and it's how he gets his life back together. He also returns to his master.

As for liking the OVA more, I just felt, after watching both the series and the OVA, that the OVA was much more serious and philosophy oriented. It has really good dialogue.

PGsmith, are you sure the difference between life and cartoons is so clear? I watched a cartoon once that explained Buddhism. What about that? Then let's take it to the next level. Take some principles from Buddhism and swordsmanship and put them into an anime, and have the characters explain things. Why don't you enlarge your vision, and see that you can learn something from anything?

[samurai999]

I have some websites related to this art which shows the moves list and the techniques. Some of the moves of hiten art is possible that depends that how fast and accurate u are. Anyway if anyone wants the techniques just ask me. I think the art of hiten mitsurgi ryu should not be taught to everyone becoz just like other martial arts it will become common. I am uttering nonsens coz it is impossible to teach hiten since it is ficiton art but some of the moves possible but what I am saying is make this art rare!!


Not to be mean or anything, but have been actually reading AND comprehending what has been said in this thread so far? kenshin doesn't = reality. Hiten mitsurugi ryu is NOT a recognized art. Please stop blurring the line between fiction and actual KENDO.

And lastly, why are you guys posting things that are not meant for a "kendo waza" section... I say MOOOVE this thread to the lounge... Kendo waza = ones that are defined as valid techniques in the practice of kendo. Not kenjutsu, not iaido, not naginata, and especially ones that are not even real. If you want to discuss the "waza" that are on rurouni kenshin then do it there...

EDIT- I believe that even the comic's author Nobuhiro Watsuki even says that characters, and events even tho they may be based on real events and people are FICTIONAL.

Tim

[mingshi]

Aaaahh, isn't he cute? Lets give him a group hug.

Hmmmm...

[pgsmith]

Why don't you enlarge your vision, and see that you can learn something from anything?
You are absolutely correct. I have learned from this conversation that you like to believe you are learning something when you watch cartoons. I have learned that I prefer learning real things from real people.


snip ~ why are you guys posting things that are not meant for a "kendo waza" section... ~snip
You are absolutely correct. This topic should never have been here, and I should do a better job of resisting the harrassment impulse! :) But people learning about swords and swordsmanship from cartoons is just so easy!!!

:D :D

[samurai999]

Sorry.. having bad day so far... Thats what little to no sleep in a apt that is >80deg with the outside temp being <75 does...

Tim

[splice]

PGsmith, are you sure the difference between life and cartoons is so clear? I watched a cartoon once that explained Buddhism. What about that? Then let's take it to the next level. Take some principles from Buddhism and swordsmanship and put them into an anime, and have the characters explain things. Why don't you enlarge your vision, and see that you can learn something from anything?

I really wish they would teach formal logic in high school or something... Let's pick this apart quickly, ok?

So you watched a cartoon once that explained Buddhism. How nice. How do you know it was a realistic portrayal of Buddhism? Because the cartoon said so? Because it was a Japanese cartoon? The only way for you to verify the information would be to go to people who actually practice or know about Buddhism and see.

Take principles of buddhism and swordsmanship and put into anime? Why do you think that's what the anime's creator did? I read in his interviews that he only ever did kendo, and a short time during high school at that. What would he know of the philosophy of sword arts? Well, he might have read books and asked people, but was his goal to create a work that taught buddhism and philosophy of sword arts to people at large? It's very doubtful. He said he wanted to write a story about the redemption of a man. It follows that he wouldn't have focused on philosophy and religion, instead just gleaning enough information for his story and never going in depth. Certainly not a very reliable source if you're looking for information about swordsmanship philosophy.

See, cartoons can teach you things, sure. But they have no inherent properties that make them a method of teaching anything. Indeed, cartoons most often represent things that are nothing like reality. Unless a cartoon is made with a specific educational goal in mind, then it is not meant to teach you about anything, but instead entertain you (or convey a message, à-la political cartoons). You could glean bits and pieces about a specific subject that might be involved in the story, but you have no way of knowing what is real and what isn't, short of just referring to some authority and confirming what you saw.

Therefore, seeing a Japanese cartoon made by a Japanese man about a swordsman living in feudal times doesn't imply that everything represented will be as it really is, including characters, settings, historical facts and philosophical bent. While Kenshin is loosely based on various events and figures of the period, the author has said that he has made many adaptations and changes.

As such, if you want to learn of the history of the times, you read a history book or talk to a history professor. And if you want to talk about the philosophy of a sword art, you refer to that sword art's teachings, not to a cartoon that touches on philosophy, sometimes. Kenshin is a fine cartoon, but it's just that, a cartoon, meant to entertain. The philosophy contained therein is a pale shadow of what goes on in a real sword art, IMHO. Add that to the fact that each ryu has its own philosophy, sometimes very divergent from one another, and kenshin as a source of philosophy of the sword arts... Not so much, no.

Does that make sense to you? Or perhaps you'd like to learn cooking by watching cooking master boy or something...

[h2o]

Or perhaps you'd like to learn cooking by watching cooking master boy or something...Tsss.... everybody knows that the easiest way to learn how to cook is to eat food. Two more french restaurants and I am a shodan in cooking ;)

[naskendo]

Well some of the techniques are possible to execute so I won't completely agree that the art is ficitous it can be turned into real but it is very hard and I mean very hard to perform these moves.

[h2o]

Well some of the techniques are possible to execute so I won't completely agree that the art is ficitous it can be turned into real but it is very hard and I mean very hard to perform these moves.
Which moves? A ordinary nuki-tsuki and kiri-tsuki (don't flame spelling please)?
Those are things exisiting in "all" japanese sword arts (not counting kendo, since we don't use live blades there), so of course they would work. But if you are still serious about trying to learn the techniques "running up your opponents sword", or "hit the ground so it brakes" then you really need to watch less anime and do some real sword training.

[ScottUK]

...so because I can make a 3-stroke whipping movement, I can create zorro-ryu?

HMR, while I'm sure it is very, very cool, exists only in theory...

[samurai999]

Well some of the techniques are possible to execute so I won't completely agree that the art is ficitous it can be turned into real but it is very hard and I mean very hard to perform these moves.

Well then it wouldn't be kendo, would it? We are talking here about an art that already exists. Not about something that is normally ficticious being turned into something real.

I like initial D, but you don't see me running up and down the "touge" drifting cuz it looked cool on tv....

Tim

[Rurouni_Richard]

*Sigh* So, I posted this topic in the wrong place? Great. Well, I need to know something. A little off-topic, but I don't wanna start a new thread on it. As I've said, I'm very interested in japanese swordsmanship, but I have no dojos to attend around my area. I practice swinging my bokken around a lot, but I doubt that that's any real "training", ya know? Could somebody give me an exorcise or two that I can use? I need to build up my(pathetic) arm strength.

P.S.
Again, sorry about bringing this up! I suppose I shall go and live amongst the creatures of the forest and live with a pack of wolves, never to return to humanity again! :silly:

[samurai999]

swordsmanship meaning what? kendo, kenjutsu or iaido?

Tim

[Rurouni_Richard]

Well, you see, I haven't really decided yet. For now, I just need something to improve my arm strength. If that's not enough info, then I suppose I should mention that I'm thinking about starting iaido. But I'm not sure.

[pgsmith]

For now, I just need something to improve my arm strength.
Lift weights.

If that's not enough info, then I suppose I should mention that I'm thinking about starting iaido. But I'm not sure.
Please don't. You are obviously not the type to stick with it and learn, so you'll only waste your instructor's time.

[Mugu]

He's actually quite nice about the whole thing... he wasn't even trying to convince us that Hiten Mitsurugi Ryu exists, he just asked, "Is it real?" and we all got fired up for the wrong reason.

Well, Rurouni_Richard, if you want to build up arm strength, just lift some weight. But if you don't like weight lifting, like me, get the book "The Definitive Guide to Kendo" and start learning basic Kendo and do 200 suburis a day.

Too bad all the little kids kept asking annoying questions like "Can I learn Hiten Mitsurugi Ryu?", "Where can I learn Hiten Mitsurugi Ryu", Rurouni Kenshi is such a fun anime, little kids keep giving it such a bad reputation that all of us get freak out every time we hear "Hiten Mitsurugi Ryu".


I have learned from this conversation that you like to believe you are learning something when you watch cartoons. I have learned that I prefer learning real things from real people.

I actually disagree, you can even learn something from The Simpsons. Everything good or bad or even dumb tells you a story that you can learn from. It's how you interpret it is the key. I don't know how Buddhaism got dragged into this, but I personally always look at all religions as Philosophies. Buddahism is another philosophy that is to "look beyond what's in front of you" or in a easier way to understand "Use your head", at least that's how I see it. So Rurouni Kenshi has something and nothing to do with Buddahism or any religion at the same time, it's how you intepret things are what matter... Then again, you prefer to learn things from real people, I'm just voicing my opinion :) Cheers!

[samurai999]

Well, you see, I haven't really decided yet. For now, I just need something to improve my arm strength. If that's not enough info, then I suppose I should mention that I'm thinking about starting iaido. But I'm not sure.

Well don't think of any of these arts as something solely to improve arm strength... Its pretty spiritual as well. If you just wanted to improve arm strength, then you can just work out in a gym and do that...

Tim

[The great I AM]

I actually disagree, you can even learn something from The Simpsons.

What, like over eating, shirking, vandalism, car theft and advanced psychofancy (sp-or is it even a real word?!)?

Good call.

[Mugu]

What, like over eating, shirking, vandalism, car theft and advanced psychofancy (sp-or is it even a real word?!)?

Good call.

Look the different sides of it. He eats all the time and they even give you the consequences of what happened to him if he ate too much. Vandalism: they show what happened in the end. Their jokes are actually related to some of the current events. Oh maybe I just think too much :p All I am trying to say is that keep our eyes open for everything. No offense meant for anyone. After reading some of the stuff and how one peaceful discussion turned into a war, my eyes just want to bleed... I think it's time for me to leave this forum.

[pgsmith]

Look the different sides of it. He eats all the time and they even give you the consequences of what happened to him if he ate too much. Vandalism: they show what happened in the end. Their jokes are actually related to some of the current events. Oh maybe I just think too much :p All I am trying to say is that keep our eyes open for everything. No offense meant for anyone.
I agree in principal that you can learn from anything with which you have contact. However, those things made strictly for entertainment purposes are not appropriate to learning anything accurate. It would be akin to saying you learned about how nuclear power plants work from watching the Simpsons. :)


After reading some of the stuff and how one peaceful discussion turned into a war, my eyes just want to bleed... I think it's time for me to leave this forum.
No wars here. Wars are horrible and extremely hard. This is merely debate for the purposes of entertainment. Debate is a good thing and helps people to execise their minds the same way kendo makes you exercise your body. As in kendo, some people are more naturally gifted or more experienced. As in kendo, you shouldn't quit when things don't go your way. Study, practice, watch those that use words skillfully. Accept defeats gracefully. Everyone gets better with practice until ... ippon!

Cheers,

[Mugu]

I agree in principal that you can learn from anything with which you have contact. However, those things made strictly for entertainment purposes are not appropriate to learning anything accurate. It would be akin to saying you learned about how nuclear power plants work from watching the Simpsons. :)

Guess how I learned English when I first moved to the U.S.... kekekekek :D



As in kendo, some people are more naturally gifted or more experienced. As in kendo, you shouldn't quit when things don't go your way. Study, practice, watch those that use words skillfully. Accept defeats gracefully. Everyone gets better with practice until ... ippon!

Cheers,

I haven't gave up in Kendo... and a great point. Thanks for pointing that out. I'm just depress seeing Kendokas arguing so firecely over nothing instead of doing suburis, hehe Besides that, some of us are just so rude to others, where are all the manners and etiquettes we learned at our dojos...

[pgsmith]

I'm just depress seeing Kendokas arguing so firecely over nothing instead of doing suburis, hehe
Isn't that the same thing that goes on after class over beer and sake? It should be! :)


Besides that, some of us are just so rude to others, where are all the manners and etiquettes we learned at our dojos...
That is a true statement, and something to be lamented at times. Other times, it seems that too much in the way of manners is given to those that don't deserve or respect them. Ah well, it evens out in the end (hopefully!).

Cheers,

[Mugu]

Isn't that the same thing that goes on after class over beer and sake? It should be! :)

But I thought you must master drinking and Kendo at the same time, I heard that rumor from Gonzo Nakayui :)

http://www.kendo-world.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5166



That is a true statement, and something to be lamented at times. Other times, it seems that too much in the way of manners is given to those that don't deserve or respect them. Ah well, it evens out in the end (hopefully!).

Cheers,

Those damn trolls are just so annoying. I live by this one philosophy, "Treat others the way you wanted to be treated." If they don't treat me with respect, I'll just ignore them. Because there's no reason pull myself down to the level as they are. Though, sarcasm can bring out the worse of them, and you can have yourself a good laugh while at it ;)

Thanks for cheering me up Paul, I appreciated it :)

[pgsmith]

Though, sarcasm can bring out the worse of them, and you can have yourself a good laugh while at it ;)
That is truly the only real redeeming quality of trolls and internet experts in my opinion. If you can develop your sarcasm to the point that it cuts them, they can make for some very amusing conversations. It helps to be thick skinned though, because they invariably get nasty when they are obviously losing! :)


Thanks for cheering me up Paul, I appreciated it
My pleasure!

:D

[Rurouni_Richard]

All I did was ask a quetion. I want to know if there is an exorcise where I can practice using my bokken and gain arm strength while I do it. So, please, if you have no advice for that, then DON'T POST. I don't want start an argument, I'm just curious. If I need to, I'll just lift weights. Oh, and for the record, don't label me as one of those kids that wants to live out his anime fantasies. I really have a genuine interest in it. So don't tell me otherwise.

[Andou]

All I did was ask a quetion. I want to know if there is an exorcise where I can practice using my bokken and gain arm strength while I do it. So, please, if you have no advice for that, then DON'T POST. I don't want start an argument, I'm just curious. If I need to, I'll just lift weights. Oh, and for the record, don't label me as one of those kids that wants to live out his anime fantasies. I really have a genuine interest in it. So don't tell me otherwise.

With a bokken, suburi is the only real thing you can do to stengthen your arms...I think. You could get a suburi shinai though, that'd probably help better. Either that or stick the bokken between two branches in a tree and do pull-ups...I think the latter is a little more helpful though. Hope that helps.

[samurai999]

All I did was ask a quetion. I want to know if there is an exorcise where I can practice using my bokken and gain arm strength while I do it. So, please, if you have no advice for that, then DON'T POST. I don't want start an argument, I'm just curious. If I need to, I'll just lift weights. Oh, and for the record, don't label me as one of those kids that wants to live out his anime fantasies. I really have a genuine interest in it. So don't tell me otherwise.


I guess i misunderstood something? I thought you just needed something to "increase your arm strength". The thing you really need to pound into your head is the need to actually go to the dojo and attend practice (especially if you have nothing else or better to do). Most of us can give you tips, but really, the best way to find out is to experience it for yourself.

Tim

[pgsmith]

All I did was ask a quetion. I want to know if there is an exorcise where I can practice using my bokken and gain arm strength while I do it. So, please, if you have no advice for that, then DON'T POST.
First, I'll post exactly where I feel like posting. If the moderators don't care for what I post, they'll tell me. If you don't like people pointing out that you're saying something ridiculous, don't say ridiculous things.

Second, you don't want to strengthen your arms, you want us to tell you something so you can feel like you're really practicing. Weightlifting will strengthen arms, not bokken.

Oh, and for the record, don't label me as one of those kids that wants to live out his anime fantasies. I really have a genuine interest in it. So don't tell me otherwise.
Ah yes. That would be the genuine interest that posted this? ...

Well, you see, I haven't really decided yet. For now, I just need something to improve my arm strength. If that's not enough info, then I suppose I should mention that I'm thinking about starting iaido. But I'm not sure.
I can see how you'd call that a "genuine interest" ... NOT!
If you're going to spread around a lot of B.S., you should expect to get a lot back in return. Accept the sarcasm. Embrace the sarcasm. Become one with the sarcasm and perhaps you'll learn! :)

[ScottUK]

Richard,

Lat pull-downs. Better to increase shoulder strength than arm strength.

Pay attention to the guys on here. They are often abrasive (see above) but usually for a reason. If you get bollocked for something, take two steps away from PC, calm down and you'll see why the piss-taking/sarcasm/abuse happened.

As for sword exercises? Forget it. Repetition of cuts will tone muscles but not build them. Heavy weights, low reps for 3-4 weeks then swap to a light weight, high rep thingy for 1-2 weeks - then back to heavy weights. Repeat as necessary. This stops the muscles from learning too quickly and slowing the intended growth.

I am Thor (only fatter).

[pgsmith]

They are often abrasive (see above) ...
Guess I was a bit over the top eh? Sorry, the only excuse I have is that I just spent all weekend with a group of boys that age that did the same sort of thing constantly. You know they can't possibly be dense enough to actually believe the stuff they are trying to get you to believe. That leaves either the fact that they don't realize quite how silly it sounds, or they really think you're a moron and will believe it.

Mondays are usually a bit on the intolerant side after spending a weekend with the Scouts! :D

[Rurouni_Richard]

Ok, I'll say it yet again... I HAVE NO DOJOS IN MY AREA TO ATTEND. That means this is my only option. Oh, and what is a "suburi"? I'm sorta illiterate in terms.

[Rurouni_Richard]

Wow. For some reason I didn't see half of the posts that I got. Dumb computer... anyway, thank you for the help. Still don't understand the "suburi" thing, though. For the record, the last post was aimed at Samurai 999 only. No hard feelings, huh?

[ScottUK]

Ok, I'll say it yet again... I HAVE NO DOJOS IN MY AREA TO ATTEND. That means this is my only option. Oh, and what is a "suburi"? I'm sorta illiterate in terms.Suburi is a simple way of saying waza 'fundamentals'. Like basic football passing skills etc. Suburi is essential to good swordsmanship.

Whereabout are you? How far are you willing to travel?

[Hai_hai]

This topic should be moved into the Lounge section.

[samurai999]

Ok, I'll say it yet again... I HAVE NO DOJOS IN MY AREA TO ATTEND. That means this is my only option. Oh, and what is a "suburi"? I'm sorta illiterate in terms.

Since now I know this was aimed at me...

I was driving 1 hour for practice each way to my "local dojo" when i was up in norcal. I drove 6hrs each way for team practices on the weekends before US championships after I moved to socal. This was borderline insane. Look at dojos in neighboring states and look for the closest one since i don't know where in Alabama you live. I understand that there is only so much one person can do with practices, but if you are motivated enough......

You came in asking mainly how to gain strength in your arms. You should go to a sensei to learn how to do suburi (or swings) if you are just starting out. There is no point IMHO in trying to start practicing swings on your own from scratch. There are so many small points and nuances(sp?) to follow and learn in kendo that if you miss one, you can learn things wrong. It takes longer to revisit and correct than to learn it properly the first time and fine tune. Most of us on here are just starting out (I'm still learning as well) as well and they can give you advice, but only a few are sensei. If you want to prepare for kendo and do something extra to prepare for practices before you start doing any kendo specific exercises, then that is different. I suggest (and take this with grains of salt of course) running. Increase your endurance. Learn how to control your breathing..


my 0.02$(US),
Tim

[Frame]

These beautiful threads bring a tear to the eye each time. Please continue.

[Gregory]

We need to sticky a thread about styles that are fake...

[Wes Nazo]

We need to sticky a thread about styles that are fake...

Excellent idea. How has that been not done for this long?

[DEMON WOLF]

What is the best kendo style.

[ScottUK]

Is that a statement or a question?

[Iryoku]

Clearly What Ryu is superior.

[ScottUK]

May I have an age & mentality check please people?

No single ryu is more superior than Hiten Mitsurugi Ryu...

[Grenamier]

Clearly What Ryu is superior.

They were defeated last Tuesday by Some School.

[ScottUK]

Sorry. Can't accept that. HMR own all other ryu.

[ScottUK]

What is the best kendo style.


Clearly What Ryu is superior.This 'What Ryu' sound pretty good. Do they have dojo in Shittsville Alabama? :D

[DEMON WOLF]

Or in Illinois...I must know...i must better my sword fighting

[Hai_hai]

This is the dumbest thread, and on top of that, it's in the Waza section.

[DEMON WOLF]

This is the dumbest thread, and on top of that, it's in the Waza section.
Hey I'm new leave me lone....I haven't explored the whole site

[Gregory]

dont talk to hai hai that way.

[DEMON WOLF]

dont talk to hai hai that way.
It's an explanation meaning i didn't know that the information i seek was in the waza...sheesh my bad

[Gregory]

Say sorry to him... Im not being mean, but you will get screwed over if you dont. Just believe me

[Hai_hai]

Hey I'm new leave me lone....I haven't explored the whole site
I wasn't talking to you. I'm talking about the thread in general. It's totally non-kendo related and yet people are dragging it on.

[DEMON WOLF]

My bad (-_-), I see where you're coming from

[ScottUK]

Ask for it to be closed or made a sticky. It's boolshit anyway...

[Wes Nazo]

Read the reviews and be infuriated:

http://www.karatedepot.com/wp-ke-09.html

[h2o]

Read the reviews and be infuriated:

http://www.karatedepot.com/wp-ke-09.html
Hahahahaha!! That is soooo funny! And really sad on the same time :)

I especially like the "This weighs just as much as a real samurai sword!" and the "This sword is perfect for my 11 year old brother".

This post made my day sunny and bright :)

[Mugu]

Read the reviews and be infuriated:

http://www.karatedepot.com/wp-ke-09.html

Oh lord, I should burn all of my Rurouni Kenshi manga + anime before any of my future kids get their hands on them...

[Wes Nazo]

Best one: "I saw rurpuni kenshin, and wated to learn kendo, but when i did i got whupped by EVERYONE. My parents got this for christmas, and it just ROCKS! I dropped out of kendo, and is practicing on my own for now, and trying to learn HIten mitsurugi ryu to, for i have heard it is a fast attack and defence style."

[kendonewbie]

:D I like this one better:

Reviewer: HitokiriBattosai (http://www.karatedepot.com/getreviews.html?mv_arg=HitokiriBattosai) a practitioner of Hiten Mitsurugi, Battojutsu
I'm 13, this has helped me (especially with the 'girls can't fight' thing). I'm trying to teach myself Hiten Mitsurugi and Battojutsu. I have been training myself with tobacco sticks, and making a wild guess at how much a real sword weighs. The tobacco sticks break easily, where the bokken I got doesn't break easily.

"Kids running around in their back yard breaking tobacco sticks over each others heads" is what comes to mind when I read this...

[T.Lee]

Read the reviews and be infuriated:

http://www.karatedepot.com/wp-ke-09.html


you know, for $12 shipped, thats not a bad price for a bokken to use for kata....

[Paikea]

Read the reviews and be infuriated:

http://www.karatedepot.com/wp-ke-09.html Not infuriated, a good clown show is always funny.

[Hai_hai]

Kurawdee Depot is the best. Ninja uniform... regular price $42.95... SALE PRICE $39.95!!!! You'd be crazy not to buy!

http://www.karatedepot.com/un-sp-10.html

[Wes Nazo]

Shinai reviews:
http://www.karatedepot.com/wp-ke-03.html

Just about every person who reviews thinks the red strings are supposed to stay on!

[Kaoru]

This 'What Ryu' sound pretty good. Do they have dojo in Shittsville Alabama? :D

No. Alabama has no Kendo dojos. But, they've got Shinkendo... (A legit Gendai Kenjutsu ryu.) Two dojos!

Kaoru

[JamesD]

"Also, thanks to an accident, I can verify that they can handle being left out in the rain, and can survive active use in the middle of a river (we were drunk). Durable and strong, though they need occasional tightening."

OMG

Active use in the middle of a river?

[ScottUK]

Reviewer: Dex0791 a practitioner of Ittou no Bikutomoshinai

Great Value! I've had shinai's that snapped in half after a couple hours of sparring. That surely won't happen with this one. The red strings do come off once in a while, but other than that, great! A perfect practice sword. Buy it.What the hell is Ittou no Bikutomoshinai?

(oh, and Kaoru - I was taking the piss... :D )

[Hisham]

What the hell is Ittou no Bikutomoshinai?

I see Ittou Biku and shinai, fascinating, find the relation between "one sword" a bike and a shinai, i guess only the practicioners understand.

[ScottUK]

Some sort of modern mounted kenjutsu then... the kendo equivalent of a drive-by shooting... :D

[Hisham]

Some sort of modern mounted kenjutsu then... the kendo equivalent of a drive-by shooting... :D

My friend let me congratulate you on your imagination.:D
Inspired by what you came up with and since "bike" is part of the name of that ryu, i thought why not call it "ride-by slice'n'dicing ryu", what do you think?

[Mugu]

Shinai reviews:
http://www.karatedepot.com/wp-ke-03.html

Just about every person who reviews thinks the red strings are supposed to stay on!

I am so tempted to write an review... lol

[ScottUK]

I just did but I don't think they'll publish it. :D

"I gave my cuz a panelling with this pigsticker and I have to say that due to its excellent flexibility and shock absorbence it prolonged his death by over an hour. What a beast! Oh, and the red strings came off just before his head did."

[Mugu]

I just did but I don't think they'll publish it. :D

"I gave my cuz a panelling with this pigsticker and I have to say that due to its excellent flexibility and shock absorbence it prolonged his death by over an hour. What a beast! Oh, and the red strings came off just before his head did."

awwww bastards! :D We can't save those poor hiten mitsurugi kids

[ScottUK]

awwww bastards! :D We can't save those poor hiten mitsurugi kidsWe could...

Ask the mods to open a section on KW entitled Hiten Mitsurugi Ryu and get the otaku to post there with their tips and tricks. You never know, it may help the serious kenshi too... :D

[Mugu]

We could...

Ask the mods to open a section on KW entitled Hiten Mitsurugi Ryu and get the otaku to post there with their tips and tricks. You never know, it may help the serious kenshi too... :D

Hey, that's a great idea! I've always wanted to meet the "founder" of Hiten Mitsurugi Ryu and wanna learn To Ryu Sen from him, hehehe

[Greger]

Hey, that's a great idea! I've always wanted to meet the "founder" of Hiten Mitsurugi Ryu and wanna learn To Ryu Sen from him, hehehe

Yes... -and then we could... "take care" of him.. asap.........

[DEMON WOLF]

Hhhhhhmmmmmm...then i could test out my new stance, hehehe

[Rurouni Kenshin]

Yes ppl come forth to the master himself.....:cyclops: I will teach you.......and open a dojo for all you otaku out there and charge rediculous amounts of money..hahaha

But first before you enter my training you'll have to learn to do the quarter mile in under 3 seconds and jump 20feet up in the air. :D

[Rincewind(-.-)']

hmm...and when will you teach me Kuzuryusen??
yeh know,the one who lands 8 cuts and a tsuki at same time:)
Cause thats my favourite technique of hiten mitsurgi ryu:D(well mayby after super-duper-goat-like-speed akamakeru-ryu-no-hirameki):P

ps.why only 20 feet??XD

[DEMON WOLF]

I thought Kuzu Ryu Sen was a 9 hit shot?

[ScottUK]

I am in hell. Save me from these people...

[Kaoru]

I am in hell. Save me from these people...

hehehe, I know what you mean... :D I'm amazed this thread isn't dead yet!

Kaoru

[ScottUK]

I can only hope to bump into the real HMR guys while I am 'Musha Shugyo-ing' - I'm sure they're here in the UK too... :D

[sakanasama]

I just read this wole thread, here is how it went,

I laughed, I cryed, Ilearned then forgot, and I think I soiled myself

thanx I neaned this

[bamboo_stick]

I just thought I'd let everyone know that I can finally do kame-hame-ha AND I learned how to fly yesterday!!

Sorry, this was too tempting...
I HAD to write something...

[Saraito]

i wonder how many people started kendo to "learn the secrets of hiten mitsurigi"...no offense intended...just a rhetorical question

I didn't start practicing kendo to learn any specific style. I simply did some research of my own to find a style that interested me and lo and behold Shin Kage ryu's what i got. ( not officially trained in though):disapp:

[ScottUK]

It ain't Shinkage Ryu, then.

[andrew_kumdo]

wow check this out.. http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Pagoda/5770/swordskills.htm

if the hiten ryu is really real id doubt we can do this..

[ShinKenshi]

wow check this out.. http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Pagoda/5770/swordskills.htm

if the hiten ryu is really real id doubt we can do this..Well, these guys did a pretty good job of describing everything (aside from some spelling errors here and there). The only thing I'm worried about is if some otaku or samurai wannabe's stumble upon it, think it's real, and then try doing it themselves. I'm still amazed every time someone finds a webpage with this stuff and thinks it has to be real just because it's on the net. :down:

[Saraito]

With a bokken, suburi is the only real thing you can do to stengthen your arms...I think. You could get a suburi shinai though, that'd probably help better. Either that or stick the bokken between two branches in a tree and do pull-ups...I think the latter is a little more helpful though. Hope that helps.
I try to Maximize my speed and agility in footwork along with proper strikes before i worry about power although power as in physical endurance and dexterity i can work on don't you agree? i see the need to hit before i worry about how hard i hit them.

[yohed55]

I found this otaku online earlier today, he was calling himself the king of kendo. He said he learns Hiten-Mitsurugi from here (http://www.uni.uiuc.edu/~ychiang/kenshinmoves.html). I talked to him online and pointed him in the direction of some AUSKF affiliated dojos in Florida (where he lives of course) and he told me that he knows where all the dojos are and that he can beat any kendo sensei. I stopped talking to him after that. If you want to check out the King of Kendo, look no further.


The King of Kendo (http://www.myotaku.com/users/king_of_kendo)


...enjoy

[ScottUK]

Goals
• to have my manga published and to become America's greatest swordsman then up to the worlds greatest.

This is the real reason I love the martial arts. They attract the finest of people. :D

[sakanasama]

hiten mitsurugi style........

some people just make my brain hurt

[Ganryu]

http://www.uni.uiuc.edu/~ychiang/me.html

The king of kendo is 16. Poor kid...

[Siri]

Ok. I have only read half the posts so forgive me if I repeat something but I just can't read anymore without saying something.

I'll start off by saying I like the Kenshin Series, and the Samurai X arc. I own the boxsets and I thought it was a very entertaining series. in no way did I ever think HMR was a real style or even could be a real style. in fact all you people that are such big fans should know that Nobuhiro Watsuki (the creator of the Rurouni Kenshin Manga) has never studied swordsmanship. so the whole "Philosophy of swordsmanship being carried out" doesn't work because he hasn't studied it.

HMR is a fun style to see in an Anime series. it's good entertainment, along with Mobile suits flying around in space protecting colonies on asteroids.

But. What I find funnier than people trying to learn the Battou-jutsu, is the Fanatic Naruto fans that try to make shadow images of themselves to help them attack opponents.

But Both the HMR and whatever the hell Naruto does is inferior the the Ancient style of the old school Power Rangers-ryu. I currently Teach the secrets of the power rangers passed down to me from Zordon. the Dojo is located in my backyard and it costs 1000 dollars U.S. for each lesson. you can harness the ultimate power in just 5 easy lessons and by the 6th you should be able to morph and summon mega giant dino robots from far away lands.

[ScottUK]

I am very proud to say I own no anime except Akira. Bloody HMR indeed... :D

[sakuramaru]

Ok. I have only read half the posts so forgive me if I repeat something but I just can't read anymore without saying something.

I'll start off by saying I like the Kenshin Series, and the Samurai X arc. I own the boxsets and I thought it was a very entertaining series. in no way did I ever think HMR was a real style or even could be a real style. in fact all you people that are such big fans should know that Nobuhiro Watsuki (the creator of the Rurouni Kenshin Manga) has never studied swordsmanship. so the whole "Philosophy of swordsmanship being carried out" doesn't work because he hasn't studied it.

Heheh, this thread is funny. I enjoyed the series too, but despite the fun swordfighting scenes, it's hard to believe people would think it's a true story. Historical fiction. FUN historical fiction, but fiction at that.

So to add to the info about Nobuhiro Watsuki, the creater of R.Kenshin/Samurai X, and I'll translate this directly from the author's note in the manga - Watsuki is very humbling and says he studied Kendo, but to his disappointment, he was always very weak. He actually created the character Yahiko as a reflection if himself - a young boy who strives to be strong and is at first frustrated at his inadequacy to defend himself. He says he was always frustrated as a kendoka because he was always the weakest.

Fortunately for us, he was a great storyteller. Had he been an excellent kendoka, we might not have been able to enjoy such a fun manga/anime series. ^_^

[ScottUK]

I feel a snooze coming on, or maybe I'll go to an anime forum and talk kenjutsu.

[Kitsune]

noooooooo. the question from hell arises again.

Tim

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! :cheerful: Well is not that bad, you know... I mean I can not tell when japannise are really inventing stuff or their correct (I mean in this kind of things, like kendo fighting or marcial arts in general, because in soccer, they really went too far with fantasy shots!:wink: )

[kenshi07]

Ok. I have only read half the posts so forgive me if I repeat something but I just can't read anymore without saying something.

I'll start off by saying I like the Kenshin Series, and the Samurai X arc. I own the boxsets and I thought it was a very entertaining series. in no way did I ever think HMR was a real style or even could be a real style. in fact all you people that are such big fans should know that Nobuhiro Watsuki (the creator of the Rurouni Kenshin Manga) has never studied swordsmanship. so the whole "Philosophy of swordsmanship being carried out" doesn't work because he hasn't studied it.

not that i support these, well lets just call them misguided, people but at this URL http://kenshin.gamesurf.it/index.php?lan=en&pg=35&sb=1#yahiko under the subheading MYOJIN YAHIKO it does say that he studied kendo at least as a kid. So its just a thought and I love the show it was the one that got me and so many others interested in kendo, kenjutsu, and other martial arts. So theres some info for you do with it what you will.

[kenshi07]

I thought Kuzu Ryu Sen was a 9 hit shot?

thats 8+tsuki, that makes 9, unless you use new math. Although I do have a friend who mathamaticly proved 2+2=5, he never showed me how to do it though.

[ScottUK]

I am in my own personal anime hell. Anyone fancy a keiko? :)

[Saitama Steve]

I'm game. :grin:

[ScottUK]

I am learning HMR as we speak (online, of course). You're in the shit, Irishman.. :D

[Saitama Steve]

I am learning HMR as we speak (online, of course). You're in the shit, Irishman.. :D


heh heh heh (http://www.garnersclassics.com/wavs/tomb/huclbry.wav)

Let's be havin' ya! (http://www.garnersclassics.com/wavs/goodbad.wav)

[kenshi07]

what the heck, i am so confused, whats going on here?

[ScottUK]

Everyone else is talking 'Hiten Mitsurugi Ryu' except me and Steve, who are pissed off with this thread and talking deathmatch... :D

Wanna join in? Its 'shinken-only' rules though... unless you have a chanbara boffer!

[kenshi07]

sorry, my aim is terrible w/ shirken, have fun! ^_^

[Rurouni Kenshin]

Why did this thread crawl back from the dead again.......


anywayz.....I moved from Hiten Mitsurugi Ryu to Niten Mitsurugi Ryu, heh :wink:

...bring it on......:devious:

[Saitama Steve]

I'll take yer Niten Mitsurugi-ryu and raise ya an Araki Niten Mitsurugi-ryu :-D

*breaks out the kusarigama*

[ScottUK]

What you gonna fight with if you break your kusarigama? Foul words? :D

Kenshi07, what's a shirken? A mix between a shinken and a shuriken?

[pgsmith]

I'll take yer Niten Mitsurugi-ryu and raise ya an Araki Niten Mitsurugi-ryu
Ha! I can do better with my Tendo Niten Mitsurugi ryu!!
*Whips out dual naginata*

... what's a shirken?
It's what I'm doing when I'm posting here instead of working! :)

[ScottUK]

Hehe, touche...!

You all blow a lot of hot air, but you couldn't defeat my Hiten Niten Mitsurugi Tendo Kendo Tanegashima-jutsu. Fools... :D

(who's go is it...?)

[pgsmith]

(who's go is it...?)

Steve's up, but he's shirken .... :silly:

[Saitama Steve]

What you gonna fight with if you break your kusarigama? Foul words? :D

Kenshi07, what's a shirken? A mix between a shinken and a shuriken?

The kodachi in my belt you seitei practicing dolt, what else? I showed you in Oxfordshire, no need to explain anything else. ;-)

[ScottUK]

*breaks out the kusarigama*Hehe, Reminds me of Kojiro throwing away his saya... :D

[Saitama Steve]

Hehe, Reminds me of Kojiro throwing away his saya... :D

The only discarding that will be done old chap, will be the parts of your body as they get either sliced with the kama, struck with the fundo or entangled in the chain.

And then if you get too close, the kodachi comes out to say hello to gut you. :-)

*Switching to decaf*

[ScottUK]

Hehe, me Musashi, you Baiken... :D

[Saitama Steve]

Hehe, me Musashi, you Baiken... :D

Yeah only this time, no friggin shuriken is gonna stop me. ;-)

[ScottUK]

Hehe, touche'... are you practicing Hiten Mitsurugi Ryu next week in Japan?

[Saitama Steve]

Nah, Tonkatsu-ryu & Tamanegi-ryu shurikenjutsu. ;-)

[ScottUK]

Hehe, better than suzumejutsu.

[Saitama Steve]

I'll bring back some ika and tako for ya :-)

[ScottUK]

Eurgh. Never again. Like chewin' gum...

Bring me 'nihon no kenjutsu 1 + 2' and some manju and I won't use my HMR on you. :D

[Saitama Steve]

Eurgh. Never again. Like chewin' gum...

Bring me 'nihon no kenjutsu 1 + 2' and some manju and I won't use my HMR on you. :D

Why the feck didn't ye get them when ye were out there?

[ScottUK]

The manju I got (and promptly ate) and the books I forgot about... :ogre:

[Ruroni_Kenshin]

This one would like to know what the strongest sword style is, now that he can't use Hiten Mitsurugi-Ryu.

[ben]

This one would like to know what the strongest sword style is, now that he can't use Hiten Mitsurugi-Ryu.

Oh shut up and go away. Quickly.

b

[Rurouni Kenshin]

O M G!!!!!:dead:
I
can
not
believe
this................

been away for months and this thread is still alive????????

Why????????:ermm:

[azndeathgod]

yes, hiten mitsurugi ryu is not real, but that style was based on an assassin from japan along time ago, he had this "flash draw" or something like that, you would be killed instantly and quickly, saito was real too ^^ i wanna learn the gatotsu

[ScottUK]

yes, hiten mitsurugi ryu is not real, but that style was based on an assassin from japan along time agoPlease tell us more?

[Paikea]

Please tell us more?I'll send him a quarter if he doesn't.

[azndeathgod]

well i dont exactly where i read it because this was sometime ago, VERY LONG ago i was a freak about rurouni kenshin back then (still trying to learn gatotsu, battoujutsu) heh anyways, i think his name was kawakami gensai, one of the four great assassins in the bakumatsu period..cant spell... so he was very femine looking and can be mistaken for a girl, he was the most fearful of all 4..... o yeah btw sometimes in kendo i sparr with my friends using battoujutsu stance, it doesnt work very well, especially with shinai but it works pretty good with swords errr i use plastic swords btw

[Paikea]

...too late. No quarter for you.

[xvikingx]

Is there anyone here with the programming skills to make an ‘anime fan-boy filter’. It’s amusing for a while but now it’s getting tiresome.

[ScottUK]

azndeathdog, where do you practice kendo? What's your rank? What's your teacher's name? Does he have any pets? What are their names and ranks?

[azndeathgod]

i practice at SMK (sung moo kwan) in new jersey u can check the website in www.kendoacademy.com... am i allowed to put up links? o yeah im just a 1st dan ^^

[xvikingx]

Is that where Old Warrior practices?

[Po5i]

O M G!!!!!:dead:
I
can
not
believe
this................

been away for months and this thread is still alive????????

Why????????:ermm:

BTW: I want you people to discuss about the technique called: Kuzu Ryu Sen what is a technique where the nine attacks of kenjutsu collide at the same time.

karatake,
kesagiri,
sakagesa,
miginamgi,
hidarinagi,
mickiriage,
hidarikiriage,
sakakaze,
tsuki.


Just imagine how strong this technique is if it was real.

[azndeathgod]

imagine if you were able to SOMEHOW master the hiten mitsurgi ryu and use the Ama Kakeru Ryu no Hirameki, that would be awsome.... you would prolly blow up ur shinai too while hitting ur oppenent's do/huri or just battojutsu in general =]

[ScottUK]

Is anyone else feeling ill at this point?

[xvikingx]

Is anyone else feeling ill at this point?

Not ill, but extremely confused.

[Rurouni Kenshin]

I already threw up over my keyboard..............and I'm at work!!!

[I_am_Cthulhu]

Neso, I want to eat your soul.

[kenshi07]

Maybe you could just classify the "anime fan-boy" as spam and get a filter to stop this, and stuff like neso's thirty-second spot.

[Julian D]

Are there such things as coincidences in life? I found, a couple of days ago, a "sensei" in my country claiming to teach Hiten-Mitsuguri Ryu (sic) kenjutsu-iaido (along with aikibudo, whatever that is).

Here's a pic: http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/5606/quintelacopyyn4.jpg


Cheers,

[I_am_Cthulhu]

Chuffin' hell, that is superb. HMR is alive and well. I will eat their souls.

[Neil Gendzwill]

This thread be dead.