Kendo people are wimps who can't handle bokken dueling

[DarQik]

I've seen quite a few threads recently, and it seems pretty much true...

Kendo people are just wimps who can't handle real bokken dueling.

I mean why do silly shinai sparring when you could do real Musashi style nito-backyard-ryu? It because you're too fragile and scared to put your skills to real test. This whole shinai thing has really watered down the whole JSA arts.

Sparring with bokken or at half speed with shinken is the only way to really understand proper technique.

[KhawMengLee]

I've seen quite a few threads recently, and it seems pretty much true...

Kendo people are just wimps who can't handle real bokken dueling.

I mean why do silly shinai sparring when you could do real Musashi style nito-backyard-ryu? It because you're too fragile and scared to put your skills to real test. This whole shinai thing has really watered down the whole JSA arts.

Sparring with bokken or at half speed with shinken is the only way to really understand proper technique.

People do kendo to enjoy the art. Not kill each other. I think you should move out of your mom's basement and get a job. Its not to late to face reality mate...I mean you're going to die a virgin but its not the end of the world okay?

Now if you wan't to put your money where your trash talking mouth is...I suggest you head down to the local chinatown and say 'tiu lay lo may' to the locals there...see how well your 'real' sword arts deal with a nice meat cleaver to the head.

[drizzt]

this has got to be a joke......this is almost as bad as aquatic windu

what is JSA

[h2o]

Another good example of why you should never mix Internet and alcohol :D

[KhawMengLee]

what is JSA

haha...Joint Security Area? or maybe Japanese Sword Arts?

[Infinity]

I've seen quite a few threads recently, and it seems pretty much true...

Kendo people are just wimps who can't handle real bokken dueling.

I mean why do silly shinai sparring when you could do real Musashi style nito-backyard-ryu? It because you're too fragile and scared to put your skills to real test. This whole shinai thing has really watered down the whole JSA arts.

Sparring with bokken or at half speed with shinken is the only way to really understand proper technique.
bwahahahaha!
thanks for the laugh.

[Kumdo-Star]

I've seen quite a few threads recently, and it seems pretty much true...

Kendo people are just wimps who can't handle real bokken dueling.

I mean why do silly shinai sparring when you could do real Musashi style nito-backyard-ryu? It because you're too fragile and scared to put your skills to real test. This whole shinai thing has really watered down the whole JSA arts.

Sparring with bokken or at half speed with shinken is the only way to really understand proper technique. well just think not everyone wants to get smoked in the face with a big oak stick!! just somthin to tell yer mom " Hey mom guess what i broke my frickin nose take me to the hospital so you can pay um $7,000 to fix it!! Yay!!:smiley: ?

[Kumdo-Star]

Now if you wan't to put your money where your trash talking mouth is...I suggest you head down to the local chinatown and say 'tiu lay lo may' to the locals there...see how well your 'real' sword arts deal with a nice meat cleaver to the head.[/QUOTE]
that's pretty funny!!..

[Mugu]

'tiu lay lo may'

Actually, it's "diu lay lo mo" "Diu lay lo may" it's just swearing, but "Diu lay lo mo" it's an insult and in English is equal to f ur mom.

[Kumdo-Star]

i know i was quoting Khawmenglee

[Mugu]

Sparring with bokken or at half speed with shinken is the only way to really understand proper technique.

Proper technique of what? To kick ass or to show off? Though, I'd love to see you duel with a hachidan kendoka while he uses his shinai and you use your 'proper' bokken. By the way, you should be dueling people who practice Kenjutsu, Iaido, they use swords you know? Why the heck you waste your time telling us Kendoka to use a bokken while there are tons of other people out there use real swords?

[Berugijin]

Read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll
Read this thread again.
Enlightenment.

[ratdeau]

Read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll
Read this thread again.
Enlightenment.

Thank you!

[kuzu70]

Read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll
Read this thread again.
Enlightenment.


oohhhhh.......

[Kingofmyrrh]

1. Take a dictionary from the shelf.
2. Look up the word 'joke'.
3. Read DarQik's post again.
4. Enlightenment.

[SkippyDaStudent]

Read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll
Read this thread again.
Enlightenment.


Yes, thank you! I needed this to lighten up my day. XD

[Mugu]

Read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll
Read this thread again.
Enlightenment.



Thanks to you, I got a new image for my sig

[Paikea]

The under-30's need to recognize a great set-up when they see one and let it fester a bit. One more day for Musashi-fetishists to see it and it might have been as good as the Training With Shinken thread (Sorry, ShinKenshi - it was a classic).

http://www.kendo-world.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7560

Nice one Nathan...:)

[rainmaker]

Hey dumb ass red neck,

If you really want to be practical in the real life fighting, you will probably better off to learn how to shot handgun. In the real life, you don't carry around bokken when you go to shopping, watching movie or dating your mother..

Lemme give you one good advise for your sorry ass. When you and your dumbass neighbor get together and drink and play with bokken, be careful !! If you don't know how to handle bokken, you might end up hurting or killing your opponent and you might be end up in jail. So if you are really interested in becoming Mr. T's bitch, make sure you keep pouring baby oil for your sorry ass to make it tender.

Say hello to Mr. T..
http://lawyer.hawshaw.com/Mr%20Z.jpg


I've seen quite a few threads recently, and it seems pretty much true...

Kendo people are just wimps who can't handle real bokken dueling.

I mean why do silly shinai sparring when you could do real Musashi style nito-backyard-ryu? It because you're too fragile and scared to put your skills to real test. This whole shinai thing has really watered down the whole JSA arts.

Sparring with bokken or at half speed with shinken is the only way to really understand proper technique.

[kuzu70]

woah, easy!

[Paikea]

Lordy! KML, Mugu and now the RainMaker. Guys - Nathan (DarQik) is making fun of a selection of samurai wanna-bes who've been polluting the forums lately. Look at his posts in the past, he's OK, really. The whole baby-oil, Mr T's-bitch thing was pretty good though...

It was troll-bait, but intended in fun I think.
Waiter?? Another round for the table please....and hurry.

[rainmaker]

Paikea,

I was just waiting for right moment to use Mr. T.. DarQik was in wrong thread at wrong time... hah~~

Gotta go, need to introduce Mr. T to other bad boys..



Lordy! KML, Mugu and now the RainMaker. Guys - Nathan (DarQik) is making fun of a selection of samurai wanna-bes who've been polluting the forums lately. Look at his posts in the past, he's OK, really. The whole baby-oil, Mr T's-bitch thing was pretty good though...

It was troll-bait, but intended in fun I think.
Waiter?? Another round for the table please....and hurry.

[Paikea]

Paikea,

I was just waiting for right moment to use Mr. T.. DarQik was in wrong thread at wrong time... hah~~

Gotta go, need to introduce Mr. T to other bad boys..The mental picture is soooo disturbing.

[pgsmith]

I've seen quite a few threads recently, and it seems pretty much true...

Kendo people are just wimps who can't handle real bokken dueling.

I mean why do silly shinai sparring when you could do real Musashi style nito-backyard-ryu? It because you're too fragile and scared to put your skills to real test. This whole shinai thing has really watered down the whole JSA arts.

Sparring with bokken or at half speed with shinken is the only way to really understand proper technique.
That has got to be the lamest post of all time! Kendo people do kendo because it is kendo. I'm sure if they wanted to duel with bokken, they would do that too. I think you're just jealous because you never could figure out how to get any good at kendo. After your fifth straight test failure when they gave you sankyu because they felt so sorry for you and wanted you to stop crying, you became disillusioned and started your own style. All of that nito-backyard ryu that you've been practicing has addled your brain. Any fool knows that you can't really learn anything with fake stuff like that! You have to study your anime very closely and you will be able to discover how to really use a sword. I've been practicing and I can jump completely over you while smacking your head into a pile of pudding! My reverse sword techniques would make you weep with envy!

Go back and study your anime if you really want to learn something useful!

[stephanie dee]

LOL this thread made me chuckle. There are other ways of to get attention you know...


Originally Posted by Berugijin

Read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll
Read this thread again.
Enlightenment.

LOL!

[DarQik]

Just getting back today, to see the results... I'm dying here with laughter. This is the "Flames" section, and "Anything that is likely to cause offense if posted in another section! Threats to individuals will not be tolerated, but Kendo World Publications. Ltd. and the moderators are not responsible for any of the content of this forum." Given some recent threads and some encouragement about baiting from e-budo's bad budo section, I couldn't resist a non-political flame thread.

Now realize I grew up watching Mr. T, fool. There's a guy that figured out how to use marketing. He developed a look that sold, and he was willing to display it. Gotta give a guy props who's willing to look and act that nuts to make money.

If you enjoy flame fests, there is a specific forum section for it... I'll even suggest a couple great flame threads for you there too: "Kenjutsu and Iaido is better than kendo", "Kendo people are wimps who can't handle bokken dueling," and "Nito-Ryu is the only real sword style." Try those, they should get a fire going nicely.It was too tempting not to get it going. Too bad you gave the joke away, it was the perfect time to play devil's advocate (ala ultimate ninja power) and have some fun. Nobody makes up bad budo as good as the real experts. Because they just throw out so much jargon and stuff that we neophytes can't figure out if it's real or not. If you enjoyed this try the book thread (http://http://www.e-budo.com/forum/showthread.php?t=21856&page=3&pp=15) that starts working out good stuff like puma-atemi-taekungjitsfu, a really serious martial art style with lots of kiai, belt grabbing techniques, and fancy animal kung-fu forms--goat, white possum, and miniature poodle. I'm still thinking I could sell that to a publisher.

For those that missed the joke... JSA arts is common abbreviation for Japanese Sword Arts arts.

What I'm really wondering is where are all the 15 year old anime watching samurai nito-backyard-ryu self-trained guys (read that again if you missed it) that have been practicing with bokken instead of shinai. Shouldn't they be here to back up a thread like this? I'm mean they seem to be on all the other areas...

well just think not everyone wants to get smoked in the face with a big oak stick!! just somthin to tell yer mom " Hey mom guess what i broke my frickin nose take me to the hospital so you can pay um $7,000 to fix it!! Yay!!:smiley: ?Some of us can and do remember things and who posts them... In forums, your words are your actions, you should expect to be judged by them.whats kumdo (28-8)
what are the different strikes called? (28-8)
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see all i know is korean KUMDO (28-8)
i got to know how many years does it take to become a sensei and what is the ranking system like how do you tell what rank they are ? (28-8)
please forgive any obcene posts that have been writen using my usr name? (28-8)
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we were sparing and my bogu fell off and i tripped over the practice dumby (31-8)
If it looks like a troll, and it smells like a troll...

[Hai_hai]

I've seen quite a few threads recently, and it seems pretty much true...

Kendo people are just wimps who can't handle real bokken dueling.

I mean why do silly shinai sparring when you could do real Musashi style nito-backyard-ryu? It because you're too fragile and scared to put your skills to real test. This whole shinai thing has really watered down the whole JSA arts.

Sparring with bokken or at half speed with shinken is the only way to really understand proper technique.
This is so true. Thanks for sharing.

[Mugu]

mmm want to duel me using Hiten Mitsurugi Ryu then? I invented a sword technique called Hi Ten Ken, I'll cut you in pieces!!

Silly me didn't get the joke :redface: Sorry DarQik

[SamuraiOverlord]

This is so true. Thanks for sharing.Finally, I see a truly intelligent response to this unique and valuable thread.

It's a deep truth, and sometimes hard for people to come to terms with. It's probably due to their indoctrination and the subliminal mind control performed on them during seiza. The whole dojo experience is based on the same principles that fanatical religious cults use. Why else do people become so absorbed with Kendo that the think about it continuously.

The whole emphasis on rei and learning from those who come before leads not to understanding but indoctrination into a series of beliefs that confuse and distract from the real truths of budo--strength is the only truth.

[rainmaker]

Not necessarily. There have been many dumb people, such as Issac Ru, who have been challenging to kendokas in previous thread. If you read response on your thread, many kendokas, including myself, felt offended instead of having fun with your joke. Unless you write down the background of what happen previously, it will confuse people who doesn't understand what happen before. You see, not all people read all threads and posts. Please be careful of what you write. I had similar experience before. No hard feeling but you still should say hello to Mr. T....

Just getting back today, to see the results... I'm dying here with laughter. This is the "Flames" section, and "Anything that is likely to cause offense if posted in another section! Threats to individuals will not be tolerated, but Kendo World Publications. Ltd. and the moderators are not responsible for any of the content of this forum." Given some recent threads and some encouragement about baiting from e-budo's bad budo section, I couldn't resist a non-political flame thread.

Now realize I grew up watching Mr. T, fool. There's a guy that figured out how to use marketing. He developed a look that sold, and he was willing to display it. Gotta give a guy props who's willing to look and act that nuts to make money.

It was too tempting not to get it going. Too bad you gave the joke away, it was the perfect time to play devil's advocate (ala ultimate ninja power) and have some fun. Nobody makes up bad budo as good as the real experts. Because they just throw out so much jargon and stuff that we neophytes can't figure out if it's real or not. If you enjoyed this try the book thread (http://http://www.e-budo.com/forum/showthread.php?t=21856&page=3&pp=15) that starts working out good stuff like puma-atemi-taekungjitsfu, a really serious martial art style with lots of kiai, belt grabbing techniques, and fancy animal kung-fu forms--goat, white possum, and miniature poodle. I'm still thinking I could sell that to a publisher.

For those that missed the joke... JSA arts is common abbreviation for Japanese Sword Arts arts.

What I'm really wondering is where are all the 15 year old anime watching samurai nito-backyard-ryu self-trained guys (read that again if you missed it) that have been practicing with bokken instead of shinai. Shouldn't they be here to back up a thread like this? I'm mean they seem to be on all the other areas...

Some of us can and do remember things and who posts them... In forums, your words are your actions, you should expect to be judged by them.
If it looks like a troll, and it smells like a troll...

[Andou]

Not necessarily. There have been many dumb people, such as Issac Ru, who have been challenging to kendokas in previous thread. If you read response on your thread, many kendokas, including myself, felt offended instead of having fun with your joke. Unless you write down the background of what happen previously, it will confuse people who doesn't understand what happen before. You see, not all people read all threads and posts. Please be careful of what you write. I had similar experience before. No hard feeling but you still should say hello to Mr. T....

Hmmm. Usually if something THIS radical shows up I try and find some more posts that the user did. I know DarQik to be an upstanding fellow and I was almost positive that this was a joke. However, I did feel my eye sort of twitch when I saw the name of this thread on the forum home page....

[drizzt]

i dont knwo whats funnier.....the original post or the fact that some peopl are still taking it seriously after he has admitted it was a joke

[DarQik]

Not necessarily. There have been many dumb people, such as Issac Ru, who have been challenging to kendokas in previous thread. If you read response on your thread, many kendokas, including myself, felt offended instead of having fun with your joke. My apologies to the decent people who may have been offended...

I carefully selected the flame section and tried to include some obvious pointers and put it well over the top, without spoiling it too badly. As we know, most people are pretty thick skinned when it comes to this kind of thing. Surprisingly, I didn't receive any obnoxious PM's. They're all nicely well contained here. Yes, it is the flame section and thereby open season...

Although, I'm sure I've not only insulted some kendo people with the excessive theme I selected, but also those non-koryu kenjutsu people who actually do spar with bokken and challenge people to duels. I don't intend to offend, but only draw attention to the lunacy that we sometimes fall into. We have different opinions on things, but fortunately, those differences of opinions shouldn't really affect anything other than our blood pressure. As they always boil down to...we study for the sake of self-improvement and enjoyment not to become the baddest swordsman on the battlefield--after all, we don't fight wars with swords and don't like to actually injure others. (Unless you're into reenactment, those safe battlefields can be a lot of fun, too...)

:) If you're still upset in a few years when I'm seasoned enough to travel to various taikais and such, I'll certainly accept a friendly bash over the head... (I'm approaching the time to purchase my first bogu now.) I expect Andou will be able to sooner though, given he's here in the midwest region... (or any of the members of my dojo that will certainly read this)


Note the carefully constructed flame-baiting technique:


Start with a premise that insults the primary audience based on some posts that really got things going in the past
Include a pointer to tip off people that it might be a joke
Take on an air of bigotry against the target audience
Reference anime/self-taught style supremecy laced with ignorancy derived from heated threads in other areas
Finish with an over the top reference to actual kenjustu posters methods which drew lots of flames in the past
Maintain the theme throughout to keep people guessing
With that in mind, step back and read the first page again...


And for those following the discussion on reducing trolls and spammers, it's way to easy to make a dupe account and spew consipiracy theories.

[Neil Gendzwill]

Man, you guys need your humour detectors recalibrated...

[rainmaker]

arrrr. Don't need to apologize anymore.. It is all good now.. I am just saying, just like most people, we dind't know you were joking. We read your post quickly and all I can see is 1) you calling Kendokas a wimp, 2) Unlike Andou-san, I don't know you at all.., 3) I don't know the background of why you worst this post.
anyway, cheers... My humor calibration has been stolen by Katrina looters.. Dang..


My apologies to the decent people who may have been offended...

I carefully selected the flame section and tried to include some obvious pointers and put it well over the top, without spoiling it too badly. As we know, most people are pretty thick skinned when it comes to this kind of thing. Surprisingly, I didn't receive any obnoxious PM's. They're all nicely well contained here. Yes, it is the flame section and thereby open season...

Although, I'm sure I've not only insulted some kendo people with the excessive theme I selected, but also those non-koryu kenjutsu people who actually do spar with bokken and challenge people to duels. I don't intend to offend, but only draw attention to the lunacy that we sometimes fall into. We have different opinions on things, but fortunately, those differences of opinions shouldn't really affect anything other than our blood pressure. As they always boil down to...we study for the sake of self-improvement and enjoyment not to become the baddest swordsman on the battlefield--after all, we don't fight wars with swords and don't like to actually injure others. (Unless you're into reenactment, those safe battlefields can be a lot of fun, too...)

:) If you're still upset in a few years when I'm seasoned enough to travel to various taikais and such, I'll certainly accept a friendly bash over the head... (I'm approaching the time to purchase my first bogu now.) I expect Andou will be able to sooner though, given he's here in the midwest region... (or any of the members of my dojo that will certainly read this)


Note the carefully constructed flame-baiting technique:

Start with a premise that insults the primary audience based on some posts that really got things going in the past
Include a pointer to tip off people that it might be a joke
Take on an air of bigotry against the target audience
Reference anime/self-taught style supremecy laced with ignorancy derived from heated threads in other areas
Finish with an over the top reference to actual kenjustu posters methods which drew lots of flames in the past
Maintain the theme throughout to keep people guessing
With that in mind, step back and read the first page again...


And for those following the discussion on reducing trolls and spammers, it's way to easy to make a dupe account and spew consipiracy theories.

[Andou]

arrrr. Don't need to apologize anymore.. It is all good now.. I am just saying, just like most people, we dind't know you were joking. We read your post quickly and all I can see is 1) you calling Kendokas a wimp, 2) Unlike Andou-san, I don't know you at all.., 3) I don't know the background of why you worst this post.
anyway, cheers... My humor calibration has been stolen by Katrina looters.. Dang..

I know people because I read the forums a lot...but I'm not sure if everyone would care to know me...har har har.

[Anjin-san]

Amatuers...

Don't worry fans, we'll be back with The Real McCoy once term starts.

[Andoru]

Why would I want to use swords if I want to kill people? Swords are for wimps.

[Hai_hai]

Man, you guys need your humour detectors recalibrated...
American translation for those who didn't understand: Man, you guys need your humor detectors recalibrated...

[KhawMengLee]

Actually, it's "diu lay lo mo" "Diu lay lo may" it's just swearing, but "Diu lay lo mo" it's an insult and in English is equal to f ur mom.

I know. But I only want them to kill him a little not a lot. You know haw we get when ppl talk bad about mom...

[Kapplow]

I've seen quite a few threads recently, and it seems pretty much true...

Kendo people are just wimps who can't handle real bokken dueling.

I mean why do silly shinai sparring when you could do real Musashi style nito-backyard-ryu? It because you're too fragile and scared to put your skills to real test. This whole shinai thing has really watered down the whole JSA arts.

Sparring with bokken or at half speed with shinken is the only way to really understand proper technique.

I think it would be cool to see though, bokken sparring, 1/2 speed shinken. As long as I can see it from a safe distance :)

[GoldenShinai]

I've seen quite a few threads recently, and it seems pretty much true...

Kendo people are just wimps who can't handle real bokken dueling.

I mean why do silly shinai sparring when you could do real Musashi style nito-backyard-ryu? It because you're too fragile and scared to put your skills to real test. This whole shinai thing has really watered down the whole JSA arts.

Sparring with bokken or at half speed with shinken is the only way to really understand proper technique.

yepp, we're a bunch of wimps.....with sticks...and you've angred us....where do you live?

[ShinKenshi]

The under-30's need to recognize a great set-up when they see one and let it fester a bit. One more day for Musashi-fetishists to see it and it might have been as good as the Training With Shinken thread (Sorry, ShinKenshi - it was a classic).

http://www.kendo-world.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7560

Nice one Nathan...:) Lol, no prob. Yep, that was a shining moment in gag history. Damn, I still can't believe I got suckered that long!

[DarQik]

Damn, I still can't believe I got suckered that long!You probably got worked up and started reading too quickly. ;)

"You could do real Musashi style nito-backyard-ryu!" Did anyone who read that not get the joke? It was buried in the middle to be stealthed slightly. I was quite tempted to claim it was kyo-ru too, but I felt that might actually be undignified...

Plenty of people will continue to read the first page and respond immediately. Then after the blood simmers a bit, maybe they'll calm down and be mad enough to read the posts in the middle and think about it...and hopefully get a laugh. Although, I do genuinely feel sorry for those who don't get satire or sarcastic humor; as obviously, I enjoy that kind of thing (http://www.realultimatepower.net/). My humor meter also drifts dry--I got a real good laugh from Hai Hai's response. (Hai Hai, the more of your short, pointed responses I read, the more heroic you seem...)

[Mugu]

I know. But I only want them to kill him a little not a lot. You know haw we get when ppl talk bad about mom...

I don't know, I wouldn't punch anybody if they say "Diu lay lo may" to me, I'll just say, "Sun ging bang" or "Chi sin", chuckles then walk away :)

[samurai999]

I've seen quite a few threads recently, and it seems pretty much true...

Kendo people are just wimps who can't handle real bokken dueling.

I mean why do silly shinai sparring when you could do real Musashi style nito-backyard-ryu? It because you're too fragile and scared to put your skills to real test. This whole shinai thing has really watered down the whole JSA arts.

Sparring with bokken or at half speed with shinken is the only way to really understand proper technique.

hmmm... Bokken "dueling"? "Backyard" ryu? Are you into LARP and shinai club? if so you might want to read this...

http://thegreatwillspeagle.blogspot.com/2005_04_01_thegreatwillspeagle_archive.html

Ok so with shinken now? So it is ok for ppl to accidentally cut off your arms, fingers or what not. A trip to the hospital is perfectly fine with you?

Tim

[DarQik]

hmmm... Bokken "dueling"? "Backyard" ryu? Are you into LARP and shinai club? if so you might want to read this...

http://thegreatwillspeagle.blogspot.com/2005_04_01_thegreatwillspeagle_archive.htmlThat's just cruel! Lying and abusing poor LARP'ers...and smashing their toys! Where's the honor in that?

Ok so with shinken now? So it is ok for ppl to accidentally cut off your arms, fingers or what not. A trip to the hospital is perfectly fine with you?You clearly don't know anything... A shinken is a live blade. You have to be very careful when using one. It's not recommended for those without l33t skills. We don't let new people work with live blades, not even during the simple tatami cuttings sessions; our insurance carrier wouldn't allow it.

[DarQik]

Not biting on further trolling, eh? Don't worry, someone will before long... They'll respond with plenty of vitriol as fast as they can click the quote or reply buttons on that first post.


To those with interest, this is officially a successful thread! My sensei told me I did a good job after practice with a small controlled laugh. At least he enjoyed the joke. :)

My honorable sempai merely rolled their eyes and shook their heads in shame at me for trolling rather than maintaining an appropriately modest persona. They withheld their comments until after practice rather than sink to such a level and post.



As to the threads that led to this, perhaps a sticky board introduction statement or something would help... The Kendo boards are for discussions of kendo and kendo techniques, concepts, training and events--not chambara, realistic sword sparring, kenjutsu (use the kobudo section), naginata (use the naginata section), iaido (use the iaido section), or any other non-kendo flavor of sword training. While we appreciate and respect the many other styles and schools, we do not seek to compare, discuss, or apply your particular special non-kendo related insights under the topic of kendo.

Then again, it would simply be ignored anyway... I see things really haven't changed much since the days when AOL first joined USENET. For every one you beat down, three more pop up.

[Musashi898]

Did i hear correctly shinai's are for wimps!? lolol like i thought i did the worst stupid post of all time, well done u topped it, so sparring with shinkens in the 21st century is alright????, "Take that and that" *SLICE* "oh crap my hand has just come off oh well", like whats the deal with using Shinkens in sparring!!!! lol

[samurai999]

That's just cruel! Lying and abusing poor LARP'ers...and smashing their toys! Where's the honor in that?

You clearly don't know anything... A shinken is a live blade. You have to be very careful when using one. It's not recommended for those without l33t skills. We don't let new people work with live blades, not even during the simple tatami cuttings sessions; our insurance carrier wouldn't allow it.

Yes.. You and your "1337 speek" and "1337 skillz" clearly know a lot... :rolleyes: Where in the HECK in my friends blog does it say that they smash their toys? They used THEIR rules and beat them fair and square. Well some of the LARPers thought they knew a bit of kenjutsu... I'm sure they THOUGHT they knew kenjutsu, but in reality.. no.. Lying? Maybe, since they did disguise the fact that they played kendo, but still, it was their rules with their weapons. Fair is fair..

"Sparring with bokken or at half speed with shinken is the only way to really understand proper technique."

Unless you were sarcastic with the first post and particularly that statement, I really can't see anything other than the fact... "Half speed" is still pretty fast for some ppl. Sure you have to be careful with a shinken, but accidents happen even though you take the best of precautions (and even to the best of kenshi) when you "spar". And last time I checked, "sparring" in kendo is NOT done at half speed. Otherwise, you are just doing kata to me. And kata in a literal sense is NOT sparring.

Tim

[samurai999]

Sorry for the double..

Now that you mention it, you seem to imply that sparring at full speed with bokken is ok with that quote i mentioned above. Why do you think somebody got the bright idea to create shinai? So people don't get skulls cracked open or bones broken. People can still die if you go full speed with a bokken.

Tim

[Neil Gendzwill]

Well your friend's blog was mildly funny, but it was also fairly cruel. It's not far short of mocking kids for carrying a cartoon lunchbox or something. The LARP people are harmless, just leave them to their own thing. I'm sure there's a significant portion of the general public that think kendoka are goofballs too, even members of the vaunted junior youth team.

[samurai999]

hehe true.. true.. I have not been in a joking mood lately so i pretty much took this hook line and sinker..... :(

Tim

[samurai999]

I got PWN3D! LOL

Tim

[Kmav]

I've seen quite a few threads recently, and it seems pretty much true...

Kendo people are just wimps who can't handle real bokken dueling.

I mean why do silly shinai sparring when you could do real Musashi style nito-backyard-ryu? It because you're too fragile and scared to put your skills to real test. This whole shinai thing has really watered down the whole JSA arts.

Sparring with bokken or at half speed with shinken is the only way to really understand proper technique.

Like in The Last Samurai? ahahahahaha

[Nameless]

I've seen quite a few threads recently, and it seems pretty much true...

Kendo people are just wimps who can't handle real bokken dueling.

I mean why do silly shinai sparring when you could do real Musashi style nito-backyard-ryu? It because you're too fragile and scared to put your skills to real test. This whole shinai thing has really watered down the whole JSA arts.

Sparring with bokken or at half speed with shinken is the only way to really understand proper technique.


Just like people who play CS online are a bunch of wimps who can't handle strapping a real bomb to their chest and running into a government building.:lick:

[Soul_Rebel]

I've seen quite a few threads recently, and it seems pretty much true...

Kendo people are just wimps who can't handle real bokken dueling.

I mean why do silly shinai sparring when you could do real Musashi style nito-backyard-ryu? It because you're too fragile and scared to put your skills to real test. This whole shinai thing has really watered down the whole JSA arts.

Sparring with bokken or at half speed with shinken is the only way to really understand proper technique.

This is a joke, right?

[pgsmith]

This is a joke, right?
Does it sound like a joke? Can you deny it?

[Andou]

Well your friend's blog was mildly funny, but it was also fairly cruel. It's not far short of mocking kids for carrying a cartoon lunchbox or something. The LARP people are harmless, just leave them to their own thing. I'm sure there's a significant portion of the general public that think kendoka are goofballs too, even members of the vaunted junior youth team.

I agree that the LARP folks have a right to do whatever they want to do. It's their money and time, but reading about kendo vs. something like that makes me curious...anyone here actually go to a shinai.org gathering to see what it's like? I'm curious to see how the guys with 2 36's move...

[samurai999]

This is a joke, right?

Read the rest of the thread. I didn't.... :p

Tim

[Paikea]

Read the rest of the thread. I didn't.... :p

Tim...good times, too. Third stage lit and halfway to orbit.

[Soul_Rebel]

Read the rest of the thread. I didn't.... :p

Tim

Yeah, felt kinda stupid after reading the rest of the tread :rolleyes: , but I ger it now.

[swordteacher99]

I've seen quite a few threads recently, and it seems pretty much true...

Kendo people are just wimps who can't handle real bokken dueling.

I mean why do silly shinai sparring when you could do real Musashi style nito-backyard-ryu? It because you're too fragile and scared to put your skills to real test. This whole shinai thing has really watered down the whole JSA arts.

Sparring with bokken or at half speed with shinken is the only way to really understand proper technique.

A man after my own heart, if you read some of my posts you'll se we agree on this point, and perhaps many others.

[swordteacher99]

Proper technique of what? To kick ass or to show off? Though, I'd love to see you duel with a hachidan kendoka while he uses his shinai and you use your 'proper' bokken. By the way, you should be dueling people who practice Kenjutsu, Iaido, they use swords you know? Why the heck you waste your time telling us Kendoka to use a bokken while there are tons of other people out there use real swords?

I think what he was trying to say mugo was that Kendoist do indeed practice a watered down form of sword work, and call it swordwork, call it sport, but flip flop back and forth between the two. I have heard more jaw gabbing on here by kendoists about sword work, but those of us who actually practice the unwatered down version can not comment on Kendo? I think, what he was trying to say, is that Kendo is not real sword work, which many of you have already admitted, and that honestly, if you want to claim to be something that you are not, like a swordsman, then expect such replies in the future, and don't get upset when they come. I think thats what he was trying to say ;) Bye bye.

[mingshi]

A man after my own heart, if you read some of my posts you'll se we agree on this point, and perhaps many others.I mean why do silly shinai sparring when you could do real Musashi style nito-backyard-ryu?

OMG. He agreed.

[swordteacher99]

OMG. He agreed.


But of course, I do agree with the fact that Shinai are somewhat, well, tender and not very dangerous when compared to hardwood, and that you all should use hardwood, on that I agree, however I think this fellow was not being serious upon reflection, a real shame. Ah well ;)

[samurai999]

OMG. He agreed.

Hey mingshi. I think hes serious.

Tim

[h2o]

Hey mingshi. I think hes serious.
I'm starting to have difficulties deciding what is most sad... Is it
1) That he is a troll and puts so much effort in it. Can't have a hard job if you know what I mean :rolleyes:
2) Being serious which implies that he is actually a quite sick individual
or
3) Being a 32 year old american and still not being able to spell and punctuate properly.

Or matbe all of the three above...

/h2o - Not being very nice.

[drizzt]

so sword master let me get this straight, you fence(not just perform a kata were you dont put force behind the weapon) with bokken and real swords? and no armor? SO how many timeshave you been put in the hospital? or for that matter, how many of your low level practitioners have been forced to stop from serious injury? see as far as im concerned youve now debarked from reality making claims like that.

[ScottUK]

I think sensei Justin should just use steel poles wired to 240V to fence with. You see, regular kenjutsu isn't dangerous enough...

[ScottUK]

Questions for Justin please:

http://www.kendo-world.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8519

[Mugu]

I think what he was trying to say mugo was that Kendoist do indeed practice a watered down form of sword work, and call it swordwork, call it sport, but flip flop back and forth between the two. I have heard more jaw gabbing on here by kendoists about sword work, but those of us who actually practice the unwatered down version can not comment on Kendo? I think, what he was trying to say, is that Kendo is not real sword work, which many of you have already admitted, and that honestly, if you want to claim to be something that you are not, like a swordsman, then expect such replies in the future, and don't get upset when they come. I think thats what he was trying to say ;) Bye bye.

You didn't even type my username right, so all your comments can shoved it back to your end. Besides you fool, it's a joke.

[DarQik]

A man after my own heart, if you read some of my posts you'll se we agree on this point, and perhaps many others.Yes, I noticed. Given that, we have a match on the self-deluded lunatic or troll meter!

Truth be told, I really meant that all stupid posts and comments like the opener belong over here under flames (or lounge or kobudo) rather than polluting the rest of the forums. It also seemed like a nice trap given that anti-troll tension was running rather high at the time...

[Kaoru]

Originally Posted by swordteacher99
A man after my own heart, if you read some of my posts you'll se we agree on this point, and perhaps many others. Quote:
Originally Posted by DarQik
I mean why do silly shinai sparring when you could do real Musashi style nito-backyard-ryu?




OMG. He agreed.

You know what makes me laugh at this? It's that Swordperson99 thought DarQik was serious when he wasn't and agreed! :D ROTFL! Oh that was funny! But sad too...

Kaoru

[Lloromannic]

You know what makes me laugh at this? It's that Swordperson99 thought DarQik was serious when he wasn't and agreed! :D ROTFL! Oh that was funny! But sad too...

Kaoru

Welcome to Jokes 101 Kaoru :D
You remind me of this comic (http://www.chugworth.com/comic.php?id=67)

All in good fun

[Kaoru]

Welcome to Jokes 101 Kaoru :D
You remind me of this comic (http://www.chugworth.com/comic.php?id=67)

All in good fun

hehehe! :D That was funny! And I don't mind. :)

Anyway, did I miss something? Not sure what you meant... :)

Kaoru

[Anjin-san]

But of course, I do agree with the fact that Shinai are somewhat, well, tender

Tender as in, like meat? Could you make like a shinai and chips sandwich? I don't understand this, one minute we're talking about shinken and bokken and kendo related stuff and now you want to eat shinai? Whats all that about eh?

[Kaoru]

Tender as in, like meat? Could you make like a shinai and chips sandwich? I don't understand this, one minute we're talking about shinken and bokken and kendo related stuff and now you want to eat shinai? Whats all that about eh?

I was wondering the same thing! :D

Hahaha... :D

Kaoru

[drizzt]

Tender as in, like meat? Could you make like a shinai and chips sandwich? I don't understand this, one minute we're talking about shinken and bokken and kendo related stuff and now you want to eat shinai? Whats all that about eh?

maybe swordteacher is actualy a chef........he just chops wiht a bigger knife


man ANjin-san, your in a mood tonight eh?

[Lloromannic]

Tender as in, like meat? Could you make like a shinai and chips sandwich? I don't understand this, one minute we're talking about shinken and bokken and kendo related stuff and now you want to eat shinai? Whats all that about eh?


Duh. Can't you remember that long discussion about using ham to beat each other up?

[piggy]

Duh. Can't you remember that long discussion about using ham to beat each other up?

I thought it was bacon and patio furniture.:wink:

[Joehannah]

0__0 This looks like it's an intresting thread. lol, beating people with patio furniture and various pork products. :D

[Lloromannic]

I thought it was bacon and patio furniture.:wink:


FOR THE LAST TIME: HAMON MEANS HAM NOT BACON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :wink:

[Mr. Donigan]

real Musashi style nito-backyard-ryu?

I rarely post in the flames. Normally I slum it here for a good laugh. You have provided me with one. You said "real Musashi" and "Backyard ryu" together. I pictured Musashi in a wife beater showing you boken waza behind the pickup on blocks. Thanks for the laugh mate.

[DarQik]

Given recent threads....

I would like to invite anyone in the bermuda triangle county area to join us in our special practices. We are a genuine, real deal group of fifte-er 20+ year--uh, I mean responsible adults working to study the art of the sword. We call our art Kendo Xtreme because it is the way of the sword but extreme. Sensei calls it a gendai kobudo because he has added to the art and changed the name. We meet in the park by the bike rack. If your interested please email me at L33tKendoX9325@hotmail.com.

We only started practicing last week, but since sensei is such a gifted teacher we're already sparring with bokken at an unimaginable level. Our sensei has inherited the wisdom of the sword from the genuine writings of Miyamoto Musashi himself. He even has an authentic Japanese samurai sword that has been handed down in his family for generations. He received both the manuscript and the sword from his uncle after he mastered the teachings handed down by his uncle's grandfather who learned it from a samurai master who was related to Musashi in Japan after world war 2. The sword was passed down only after mastering the teachings and to prove he is now the soke of the art. You can't get teaching more pure and authentic than this.

So, if you are a mature person like us and want to learn to fight with swords, let me know. We don't do any of that fake stuff. We even have a couple of spare authentic ninja bokken for new people to borrow. We don't use armor and stuff because it slows you down, and the real samurai didn't wear it to practice either. Besides, pain is really the best motivator, and it's really easy to tell when you make a mistake that way. Sparring can be kind of aggressive, but it's not bad. I only have 2 cracked ribs and hairline fracture on a finger, and Jim got out of the hospital yesterday so we should have a full group this week. He was only there for observation after the CT scan--we all know that's all just a scam for them to charge more to the insurance company.

Oh, and sensei's mom said we have to get liabilty waivers and proof of medical insurance, but he's cool about it and doesn't require you to have it all filled out before you start.


Any similarity to other threads is purely coincidental...really! :rolleyes:

[Kenzan]

Now if you wan't to put your money where your trash talking mouth is...I suggest you head down to the local chinatown and say 'tiu lay lo may' to the locals there...see how well your 'real' sword arts deal with a nice meat cleaver to the head.

..Or "Lanchow bin"...Or something like that.
:D

[ScottUK]

...sensei's mom...Hehe fantastic... :D

[Blackavar]

[QUOTE=DarQik]I've seen quite a few threads recently, and it seems pretty much true...

Kendo people are just wimps who can't handle real bokken dueling.

Sounds like you just need a good whoop'in...why not try Muy Tai it's always good for some bruise's and then you can consider yourself a "Macho, Macho Man" like the "Village people" or go down to the local crack spot and talk ca-ca to the local gang members, being jumped is a hoot. Don't get me wrong Muy Tai guys I'd love to try it, if my kidneys and middle aged bootie could handle. The only local hand to hand I have is some guys Kadja Kimbo or summpin, reminds me of that dildo sesei in the karate kid so I op'ed out.
Muy Malo...he he, Mike:spchless: P.S Kendo guys usally take more abuse than True Kenjutsu schools anyway...Can I get an Amen...the "Last Samurai"
was a movie i.e. Hollywood, People can't realy run through the top of tree's like "crouching tiger, hidden dragon" either, jus a lil reminder.

[DarQik]

Don't be making fun of sensei's mom, Scott. She's really cool. She makes us cookies and stuff.

Of course people can't run through trees like Li Mu Bai in that movie. That's just silly. Who said we were doing that?

And what's Muy Tai, some kind of Thai food? I looked into doing Muay Thai, but soke-hanshi-sensei said receiving 6 blows every minute wasn't a smart thing to do. That's why we learn ken-kaeshi or sword blocking techniques first. Limiting damage taken while maximizing damage done is one of the fundamentals of what we study.

I've already got what I wanted out of this thread.



:alien: Why can't the trolls use the Flames forum?

[Blackavar]

[QUOTE=DarQik]And what's Muy Tai, some kind of Thai food?
Whoa dog...forgive my improper spelling...and we are in the flames forum...did I make your bootie a'lil sensitive? hahahaha:ko: Soke? Mommie?
I thought Soke's where atleast as old as Mommie.hehehehe
This is just soooo much fun...keep your balance kid, your an easy target.
Later, Mike

[Blackavar]

[QUOTE=DarQik]

Thank you, for the PM...I am glad that I am officially Trolled...are not you the one who started bashing Kendo @ Kendo World.com. Move over bacon, try e-budo and your reception from truelly informed individuals. I spose I should have let you off, but every one else was doing it and I'm Bored this morning... just like the rest of the people who spend too much time on the forums. When I Troll I smile at a pretty girl and see where it goes...kinda like fishing.:p Enjoy, maybe you can put me up for ban...that will REALLY hurt. I've made contacts with the informed that are willing to help a begginer...so alas losing the site don't hurt Baby Doll. Damn I am getting fysty, I bid you Adieu, Mike
P.S. my sensei can beat up your sensei...hehehehe that's all folks

[LarsCW]

Thanks for the many laughs.

Keep up the good work!

[Anjin-san]

I am a macho macho man like the village people.

[Ivy]

I am a macho macho man like the village people.

village boy more likely

[Ookami7]

Hey Mike,
read a couple of comments on this one. Love the cho baka thats going around stiring stuff up. Sounds like you and some of the others are helping to remind him that us kenshi are sterner stuff then that!!!! Well times eating up at the net cafe so will hallor at ya later.
mata, Ookami yori

[Mokujin77]

Whoa, back the hell on up!



It was too tempting not to get it going. Too bad you gave the joke away, it was the perfect time to play devil's advocate (ala ultimate ninja power) and have some fun.

You mean to tell me Real Ultimate Ninja Power ISN'T real?

Damn it, my life is in tatters! :mad:

[Jon Palombi]

You see, I just don't understand this entire thread? Practitioners of sport-fencing cannot be labeled "whimps" because they use armour and shinai. Frankly, I've done more sparring with boken, unamoured. Bouting with boken is very dangerous. Yes, wood hurts! Raised welts, bleeding knuckles, swollen joints...however, the armoured Kendoka strikes with full power. Several smacks to the top of the helmet with a shinai make you realize you can only make this kind of contact in sport competition. Only criminals and psycopaths try to crack your skull with a 2 pound piece of wood.
We need to see the similarities, not the differences, in these Arts. There are only a limited few who walk the road towards swordsmanship. Respect the folks out there practicing their own way. The agressive fellow who started this thread must see how futile boasting and bellowing really is...If you want to issue a challenge to any Kendoka to face you in combat, do it! (Just hope a senior practitioner doesn't whup your ass.) 'Cause it ain't style that wins a duel, it's ability. Keep yourself busy improving your own methods. Traditional or sport, they are both avenues for self-improvement.
Yours in Martial Spirit, Jon Palombi

[Bennosuke]

Boy, unless you were joking you better run!!! RUN!

[Mr. T.]

Frankly, I've done more sparring with boken, unamoured. Bouting with boken is very dangerous. Yes, wood hurts! Raised welts, bleeding knuckles, swollen joints...

Jon, wtf sparring with bokken? Are you sure you practice iai? May I ask what style? If you guys spar with bokken, it's time to change teachers. The shinai was invented for a good reason.

You're lucky with these kinds of injuries, one of these days you or one of other members of your dojo will have a trip to the ER. After the police decide to take look at the dojo, the dojo and/or your sensei might get sued for endangering the student. A bokken is a weapon and need to be treated like one. Don't spar with it.

[Mr. T.]

oops double post, sorry

[Shogun]

well at my dojo we trained with bokkens and no shielding but that does not mean "kendo people" suck.

[T.Lee]

they did it in last samurai. its gotta be legit.

:bandit:

[Mr. T.]

well at my dojo we trained with bokkens and no shielding but that does not mean "kendo people" suck.

So do we, once in a while, but we don't spar. It's done to explain kata or to do the partner kata of my ryu (not me, I'm not experinced enough to do Tachi uchi no Kurai). Sparring with bokken is just plain stupid.

[pgsmith]

well at my dojo we trained with bokkens and no shielding but that does not mean "kendo people" suck.
Ha! What a technologically crippled dojo you must go to! We always have our shields up at our dojo!

[Jon Palombi]

My point is quite clear, despite the murky waters washing over it. I was offended by the original statement because of my respect for kendo. And, I practice Iai with an iato. I walk a line that aims towards no-mind, amidst conflict and unpredictability. Regardless of the form of the sword; wood, bamboo. steel...the only real importance is correct form and proper respect.
Whether kenjutsu or kendo, boken or shinai, the true measure of a warrior is his intent. Honor, respect, and self-control define our depth, both as martial artists and as human beings. Somehow, my insistance on mutual understanding, in regards to one's preference of practice, has become a conveluted misunderstanding. Whatever style or school our swordsmanship embodies, it has the potential to transform our lives. And, no, we are not savages. Let us agree, unite, co-exist...The only importance to these practices, since we don't depend on the sword to live yet-another-day, is to improve ourselves. Is agressive, competitive, challege the axiom of this Art? No, it is the call to honor, plain and simple, honoring our teachers and our lineage. So slam me for asking the kid to act within the code of Bushido?
I don't always seem to make my statements without stirring things up. However, I might ask one thing most urgently. Does this in-fighting advance us in the sphere of our own self-improvement? Who really cares about boasting and polarization? I think I'll go practice for a while...later.
Yours in Martial Spirit, Jon Palombi

[pgsmith]

Mr. Palombi,
Some people have a tendency to take themselves entirely too seriously. People like this have a very hard time recognizing a joke. Even the most serious budoka take time to laugh, and the best budoka I've met have all laughed a lot. Take some time and enjoy life, your budo will improve because of it.

[Paikea]

So...what was Mr. Palombi's original alias?

[Paikea]

So...what was Mr. Palombi's original alias?Whoops...my bad. I had forgot that you don't get post count in flames and thought it was his first and only post.

[Neil Gendzwill]

Mr. Palombi has posted before on e-budo with much the same general tone/ideas, I don't suspect he's got an alias.

However this thread is dead and past due for burial. Closing.