Hyoho Niten Ichi Ryu sohke in Europe [Archive]

Kouen

05-09-2005, 07:14 AM

France, October 7th to 9th , 2005

Musashi’s sword school
2nd Hyoho Niten Ichi Ryu European Workshop with
IWAMI Toshio sohke

The association "L’enfance de l’Art" is pleased to announce an exceptional opportunity to study the art of the Japanese sword and double sword from one of the world’s leading experts IWAMI Toshio, headmaster of Hyoho Niten Ichi Ryu. After the success of last year’s workshop, and experiencing the quality of more than 70 martial arts practitioners from 8 countries in Europe, he agreed to hold the annual European workshop in France once again.

Scheduled for October 7th to 9th , 2005, this 2nd Hyoho Niten Ichi Ryu European Workshop will be conducted by IWAMI Toshio, 11th successor of MIYAMOTO Musashi, and his master assistants. Descendants of the Samurai widely recognized in Japan today, they represent a tradition which has been honoured and practiced for over 300 years. The masters desire to share their long-kept secrets with those who attend this workshop on the art and techniques of the Japanese sword.

The dojo is conveniently located 20mn by car from Paris, France, and Roissy Charles de InternationalAirport. It is also accessible from Paris by public transportation.

Maximum attendance for the workshop will be 100. We expect participants to have either a black belt level or 5 years experience. If you don’t meet these requirements and wish to join, please contact me directly. No enrolment will be accepted on the workshop days, please enrol before.

A set of Niten bokken is compulsory; please contact me if you need to purchase one.

Additional information can be found at the website for this event: www.nitenryu.org (http://www.kendo-world.com/forum/www.nitenryu.org) or through nguyen@nitenryu.org (nguyen@nitenryu.org)

NGUYEN Thanh Thien

Date : October 7th, 8th and 9th 2005</H1>Location :
Centre Culturel et Sportif, Gymnase Lionel Terray
rue Pierre Salvi - 95350 Saint-Brice-sous-Forêt
France
Contact : nguyen@nitenryu.org (nguyen@nitenryu.org)
Web : www.nitenryu.org (http://www.nitenryu.org/)

Greger

06-09-2005, 04:27 AM

isnt much jodo and nito involved in musashi?

ScottUK

06-09-2005, 06:05 AM

No Jodo. There are two-sword waza.

mad_god

07-09-2005, 10:44 PM

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The masters desire to share their long-kept secrets with those who attend this workshop on the art and techniques of the Japanese sword.

Long kept secrets??
Cannot stop laugh reading it...

ScottUK

07-09-2005, 11:17 PM

splice

08-09-2005, 01:31 AM

I have to say I don't like some of the language in the announcement; it reads a bit too much commercial for me. But that's just a minor thing, really.

As far as long kept secret... Sure, it sounds silly. But consider that the art is 300 years old. Before the development of the dosokai worldwide under soke, which I think happened all in the last 5 years or so (probably more for the phillipines group), how many foreigners were exposed to the art through soke? I think there's a strong argument to be made that the teachings have long been kept restricted to a small group of people. Probably not out of a need for secrecy, no, but certainly kept close until very recently.

Again, not saying I like what they wrote, but it's not exactly false, either.

Hyaku

08-09-2005, 09:01 AM

Now why be an arse about it?

That is just one person's way of advertising the seminar. If he wishes to advertise it as 'the finest sword art in the world', that's his business.

Mad_God, do you go out of your way to offend people? Has Kouen upset you?

Hi Scott, did you expect anything else from our anonymous resident troll.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll

mad_god

08-09-2005, 06:42 PM

ScottUK

08-09-2005, 06:48 PM

Hi Scott, did you expect anything else from our anonymous resident troll.You know, I did.

If there is some group out there pissing about and pretending to be something they clearly are not, then by all means take the issue up with them. However, this is a 3/400yr-old koryu.

If I don't like the itto-ryu, the jigen-ryu or the Shinkage-ryu, it's probably best that I keep my gob shut and not spout off at every opportunity. The history and the good-standing of any group like this should not be marred by those on the internet with a stick up their arse over one ryu or another.

Mad_God, keep your posts for genuine debate and not unsubstantiated cheap-shots.

mad_god

08-09-2005, 06:48 PM

Now why be an arse about it?

That is just one person's way of advertising the seminar. If he wishes to advertise it as 'the finest sword art in the world', that's his business.

Mad_God, do you go out of your way to offend people? Has Kouen upset you?

Besides, we already have discussed something related to Sales pitch homepage, that you said it was not.
Such "kept secret", or the "NIR to the world" (or something like that) is something similar I have seen in Sales adverts around the world.
But anyway, if that's what they are doing, that's fine. More people joining will help to pay the expenses. Business is business, in the end.
Good luck for them.

ScottUK

10-09-2005, 11:17 PM

Besides, we already have discussed something related to Sales pitch homepage, that you said it was not.No, we discussed Hyaku's 'hyoho' page. The seminar above is being arranged by a guy in France who practices HNIR.

But anyway, if that's what they are doing, that's fine. More people joining will help to pay the expenses. Business is business, in the end.Last year many people there had not practiced HNIR before, and the attendance was high. If they need X number of people, then who are we to question? If there is an issue with wording, be it false advertising or misrepresentation, I'm sure the ryu would deal with it accordingly.

mad_god

12-09-2005, 04:26 PM

No, we discussed Hyaku's 'hyoho' page. The seminar above is being arranged by a guy in France who practices HNIR.

Last year many people there had not practiced HNIR before, and the attendance was high. If they need X number of people, then who are we to question? If there is an issue with wording, be it false advertising or misrepresentation, I'm sure the ryu would deal with it accordingly.

We discussed www.hyoho.com (http://www.hyoho.com) homepage, that you said it was not a Sales pitch, but from the misleaded information and interpretation in the topics of that homepage, it's exactly the opposite of what you are trying to believe.
Seems people there are interested to keep such misiterpretations in the net to, as you suggested, increase the number of people that can join the seminars...to complete some quotas.
Anyway, as I said, business is business, so they are doing it right... Just keep doing your business, just please don't tell me I am wrong.

ScottUK

12-09-2005, 06:54 PM

Hyaku

13-09-2005, 12:46 AM

Yeah dude. Whatever.

I just checked hyoho.com and looked for the online booking forms and the coupons for half-price introductory lessons. Can't say they jumped out at me. Even the dojo listing is not very obvious on there. Then again, if people can't find what they are looking for, maybe they're not persevering enough.

I will email Hyaku and ask him if, rather than earning the dozen or so coloured belts that he should introduce to match the gendai-status of HNIR, if he can just award me a mokuroku in the art. Hell no, let's have a renshi in odachi, kodachi, nito, jutte etc. I can be a multiple yudansha in seconds. All it takes is a couple of dodgy menjo and a credit card and whahey! I am a sokey.

However, maybe the ryu should stop at selling badges and/or bokken bags with their name on... :angry:

Maybe we could go "really" commercial and adapt HNIR into Kendo. Now wouldn't that be fun? Kendo with a real koryu background? We could even have our own lineage sheet, write some books, put up a home page with video footage. We could even use "two" shinai and make up few kamae etc.... Oops. No. On second thoughts maybe its not such a good idea. People might really take the piss out of us and we would be forced to anonymously troll the forums to try and add some credibility to what we do.

But wait a minute. Didn't somebody already do that???? Damn, they beat me to it.

Ah I have a new commercial idea. I am taking bets that a "certain" person will definitely have to respond to this post. Think I will make any money Scott?

ScottUK

13-09-2005, 01:06 AM

Nope. Odds are pretty crappy. :D

mad_god

13-09-2005, 03:36 PM

I will email Hyaku and ask him if, rather than earning the dozen or so coloured belts that he should introduce to match the gendai-status of HNIR, if he can just award me a mokuroku in the art. Hell no, let's have a renshi in odachi, kodachi, nito, jutte etc. I can be a multiple yudansha in seconds. All it takes is a couple of dodgy menjo and a credit card and whahey! I am a sokey.

A gendai status of Santo-ha NIR.... well, the name was already changed.
Changes in the katas and additonal weapons was already introduced.
A moronic homepage misleading people about NIR ... What will be next? Just wondering...

ScottUK

13-09-2005, 06:43 PM

Is your only source the Muasashikai homepage? I hope so.

splice

13-09-2005, 08:37 PM

A gendai status of Santo-ha NIR.... well, the name was already changed.

According to you.

Changes in the katas and additonal weapons was already introduced.

According to you.

A moronic homepage misleading people about NIR ... What will be next? Just wondering...
According to you.

We don't care what the hell you have to say, troll. Stop bothering us, you've already whined about these points already. Or are you losing steam and don't know how to attack the Ryu next? Go play in your dojo, kid, and stop bothering the grown-ups.

mad_god

14-09-2005, 03:37 PM

Is your only source the Muasashikai homepage? I hope so.

There are Japanese books that mentions it also. But even bringing sources, if you're not willing to accept it, then the easiest way is you checking by yourself through the internet at the musashikai's page.

By the way, it doens't matter if it's the only source or not. The truth is not measured by the number of people that says one thing.

mad_god

14-09-2005, 03:47 PM

According to you.

According to you.

According to you.

We don't care what the hell you have to say, troll. Stop bothering us, you've already whined about these points already. Or are you losing steam and don't know how to attack the Ryu next? Go play in your dojo, kid, and stop bothering the grown-ups.

Your attempt to deny historical facts is just pathetic.
Is the truth so shameful that you need to consider as attack?
Looking and accepting the roots of your ryu-ha is just a form of maturity.

ScottUK

14-09-2005, 06:03 PM

There are Japanese books that mentions it also. But even bringing sources, if you're not willing to accept it, then the easiest way is you checking by yourself through the internet at the musashikai's page.I can't and won't accept a single website. It makes interesting reading, but is hardly HNIR. It is a kendo dojo with teachings taken from NIR. Name your book sources. Title and author please. I could follow what Soke and Hyaku say blindly but I'm not like that. I like to read up on things I do and I have to say - everything you've come out with so far is unsubstantiated horseshit. Just tell us where you get this... story.

By the way, it doens't matter if it's the only source or not. The truth is not measured by the number of people that says one thing.Haha. Bollocks. There's a decent-sized group here in the UK who teach gendai kenjutsu (no style - just a bunch of waza) but all their students are told it is koryu. They believe 'cos they know no better. Is that how you measure truth? Ignorance?

mad_god

15-09-2005, 04:07 PM

I can't and won't accept a single website. It makes interesting reading, but is hardly HNIR. It is a kendo dojo with teachings taken from NIR. Name your book sources. Title and author please. I could follow what Soke and Hyaku say blindly but I'm not like that. I like to read up on things I do and I have to say - everything you've come out with so far is unsubstantiated horseshit. Just tell us where you get this... story.

Haha. Bollocks. There's a decent-sized group here in the UK who teach gendai kenjutsu (no style - just a bunch of waza) but all their students are told it is koryu. They believe 'cos they know no better. Is that how you measure truth? Ignorance?

I have to check at my home the name and author for you, unfortunatelly I don't have them at this moment. Maybe next New Year (oshougatsu).
Meanwhile, I will provide a decent and cultural event site that promoted Musashi's name, without silly "kept secrets" adverts.
You can find some exhibtions by Noda-ha and Santo-ha (that's just to confirm that as I said, that's how Hyoho NIR is called also in Japan) NIR was executed.
http://www.city.yatsushiro.kumamoto.jp/museum/curator/ft/ex/musashi_con.html

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As you can see, the previous misleady information by Hyaku saying Noda-ha NIR is only name is just BS...

There are also plenty of sites that you can see NIR is divided in many factions, including Santo-ha. Just go to google.co.jp and search for "山東派" or "二天一流". Some examples:
http://www.infogogo.com/%E4%BA%8C%E5%88%80%E6%B5%81.html
http://busino-ikuji.hp.infoseek.co.jp/keizu.htm
There is a brief explanation in this last site:
[武蔵が晩年、肥後熊本で過ごした際の高弟寺尾求馬助信行に「五法之太刀道序」「兵法三十五箇条」を相伝、その門流は山東派、寺尾派、野田派、村上派（二派）に五派に分かれ「肥後五流」と称されたそうです。その中の山東派の流れがこの流派で、八代青木規矩男久勝が六十年にわたり各地で指導をし、「兵法二天一流中興の祖」と称される。九代は熊本で肥後細川家古伝の勢法を継承し、流名に「細川家伝統」を関したそうです。当代の宮田先生は仕事の関係で昨年より東京に住まいを移され、関東地方での演武にも積極的に参加されています。 ]

I respect your attitude in trying to accept or at least search for the truth, instead being easily brainwashed (intentionally?) by Hyaku or splice.

Cheers.

ScottUK

15-09-2005, 07:12 PM

You can find some exhibtions by Noda-ha and Santo-ha (that's just to confirm that as I said, that's how Hyoho NIR is called also in Japan)How odd, the Nihon Kobudo Kyokai lists Hyoho NIR as 'Hyoho NIR' and not 'Santo-ha'.

Meanwhile, I will provide a decent and cultural event site that promoted Musashi's name, without silly "kept secrets" adverts.You sould email the guy who put the advert on here rather than giving him abuse behind his back. He's organising the seminar so he can advertise it how he pleases. You should get over your little hangup on this. They're just words.

As you can see, the previous misleady information by Hyaku saying Noda-ha NIR is only name is just BS...My understanding is that the Noda-ha is that they still practice, but the Nh-NIR of old (i.e. the one listed with the Nihon Kobudo Kyokai ceased to exist and then was restarted at a later date. Do they still do Embu? I don't think so - will have to confirm this with Hyaku as he attends these events and I don't (I can't find a direct train from here!). I understand that only 'official' koryu schools are allowed to perform Embu at these events and pretty much the guaranteed way of seeing whether a school is legitimate or not...

There are also plenty of sites that you can see NIR is divided in many factions, including Santo-ha.Yeah, and there are goju-ryu karate schools everywhere here. But how many of them are genuinely connected with hombu? How many NIR schools are considered legitimate koryu by the NKK?

I respect your attitude in trying to accept or at least search for the truth, instead being easily brainwashed (intentionally?) by Hyaku or splice.It's not brainwashing. I consider Hyaku to be 'sensei' and Splice I have met only once in Canada - both are upstanding people. Would you not stand up for your school and/or teachers? I'm too ignorant to be brainwashed.

However, I do search for the truth. If you have something genuine to say I will listen. If I think you are talking BS I will tell you so. I have questioned Hyaku and Soke on a number of occasions and the answers I have received I read, analyse and accept. If there was something I considered wrong or questionable in what I was told I would say so.

I am 6000 miles away from the dojo in Japan so I have to practice hard during the day and email at night. It is very difficult for me but I persevere. What about you? Do you have any ryu that you can call 'home' that you practice diligently?

As for the books, sort them out and we can continue this debate. Until then it is 'you (an unknown) + the musashikai website' versus the 'HNIR (recognised koryu) + it's students'. Not really a fair debate for you.

Hyaku

15-09-2005, 09:51 PM

I have to check at my home the name and author for you, unfortunatelly I don't have them at this moment. Maybe next New Year (oshougatsu).
Meanwhile, I will provide a decent and cultural event site that promoted Musashi's name, without silly "kept secrets" adverts.
You can find some exhibtions by Noda-ha and Santo-ha (that's just to confirm that as I said, that's how Hyoho NIR is called also in Japan) NIR was executed.
http://www.city.yatsushiro.kumamoto.jp/museum/curator/ft/ex/musashi_con.html

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As you can see, the previous misleady information by Hyaku saying Noda-ha NIR is only name is just BS...

There are also plenty of sites that you can see NIR is divided in many factions, including Santo-ha. Just go to google.co.jp and search for "???" or "????". Some examples:
http://www.infogogo.com/%E4%BA%8C%E5%88%80%E6%B5%81.html
http://busino-ikuji.hp.infoseek.co.jp/keizu.htm
There is a brief explanation in this last site:
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I respect your attitude in trying to accept or at least search for the truth, instead being easily brainwashed (intentionally?) by Hyaku or splice.

Cheers.

So what do these links tell us? Info about an exibition, some other rather indistinct links with just names. Kumamoto, Okayama, even Himeji recently have Musashi info pages. NHK had a big one and we helped them with series but thats just from a book. I see the Musashikai picture of the scrolls was hijacked from here, a Musashi kenkyukai homepage.

http://www.geocities.jp/themusasi/index.html

Not so much as a genuine picture a short video offering evidence that we can see these people can actually do anything. Anyone in the world can stick up just a few words on a page.

Just how much genuine info is on the net? I have enough information of other names and lines that would nearly double the so called lineage shown. It looks more like a renmei list. Best way is to prune it down not add to it. And clearly in this case there are so many additions its no longer a "Kobudo lineage". A minimal amount of pruning would remove the Kendo branch.

A lot of the things on my home page is based on fact, on actuality and reality. If I thought I was not factual and was crap I would take it down. Why should I put up false information to be ridiculed? If I didnt put up a picture of Musashi's bokuto no one in the world would even know what it looked like apart from the ryu. As I said some stuff will never go online.

You never will get permission to go to particular shrine to take out and examine Musashi's most important scrolls he left for the ryu and find out for yourself what is genuine. You will never get to hold Musashi's bokuto to ascertain what kind of weapon he really did use. get to hold Musashi's sword. You will just have to go on reading Gorin no Sho, hope that one day you might see the link with Buddhist words. Keep on searching the internet for something really substantial. But you wont find it. Most of it is in the hands and mind of Soke.

If you had been honest in the first place and told us what who you were things would have been answered a lot quicker. The best way to find out about things really is to ask rather than to constantly dispute them, find fualt and fish around. As Scott say thats how we do it. Even now if I cant answer what they ask I pick up the phone and ask Soke directly. You just wont find these answers on the net.

mad_god

15-09-2005, 10:43 PM

How odd, the Nihon Kobudo Kyokai lists Hyoho NIR as 'Hyoho NIR' and not 'Santo-ha'.

As for the books, sort them out and we can continue this debate. Until then it is 'you (an unknown) + the musashikai website' versus the 'HNIR (recognised koryu) + it's students'. Not really a fair debate for you.

Again, search when "hyho" was added to NIR.
Have your searched in the net? What I saying is, people know the faction that you practice as Santo-ha, in Japan. Because there are others ramifications that I said before: Noda-ha, Murakami-ha, Terao-ha.
For the books, I know the authors. Kozo Kaku wrote at least 3 books about Musashi. search it (but it's in Japanese) and Kakuji Ichikawa, previous soke of NIR in Kumamoto also wrote a books about NIR, Gorinnosho, Musashi and Kendo.
They will bring some basic knowledge to, at least, bring you to the reality.

mad_god

15-09-2005, 10:52 PM

So what do these links tell us? Info about an exibition, some other rather indistinct links with just names. Kumamoto, Okayama, even Himeji recently have Musashi info pages. NHK had a big one and we helped them with series but thats just from a book. I see the Musashikai picture of the scrolls was hijacked from here, a Musashi kenkyukai homepage.

http://www.geocities.jp/themusasi/index.html

Not so much as a genuine picture a short video offering evidence that we can see these people can actually do anything. Anyone in the world can stick up just a few words on a page.

Just how much genuine info is on the net? I have enough information of other names and lines that would nearly double the so called lineage shown. It looks more like a renmei list. Best way is to prune it down not add to it. And clearly in this case there are so many additions its no longer a "Kobudo lineage". A minimal amount of pruning would remove the Kendo branch.

A lot of the things on my home page is based on fact, on actuality and reality. If I thought I was not factual and was crap I would take it down. Why should I put up false information to be ridiculed? If I didnt put up a picture of Musashi's bokuto no one in the world would even know what it looked like apart from the ryu. As I said some stuff will never go online.

You never will get permission to go to particular shrine to take out and examine Musashi's most important scrolls he left for the ryu and find out for yourself what is genuine. You will never get to hold Musashi's bokuto to ascertain what kind of weapon he really did use. get to hold Musashi's sword. You will just have to go on reading Gorin no Sho, hope that one day you might see the link with Buddhist words. Keep on searching the internet for something really substantial. But you wont find it. Most of it is in the hands and mind of Soke.

If you had been honest in the first place and told us what who you were things would have been answered a lot quicker. The best way to find out about things really is to ask rather than to constantly dispute them, find fualt and fish around. As Scott say thats how we do it. Even now if I cant answer what they ask I pick up the phone and ask Soke directly. You just wont find these answers on the net.

I really don't care how you play in your kindergarten. Go to a Buddhist temple or whatever, hold the katana or stay the the whole day in your mentioned "normal standing position" (LOL).
Yes, information in the net is dangerous. Have plenty of false information. Like your own homepage.
About the information of the event I posted. Well, why you just don't confirm with the promoters? It's mentioned in that site.
Keep denying the history and misleading people to the "Sole" Santo-ha (Hyoho) Niten Ichi Ryu to the world. We will continue bringing good laughs to every BS you continue posting in your homepage.
As I said and you corrected me, we can bring the horse to the river, but it will depend on the horse drink the water or not.... bye!

pgsmith

16-09-2005, 04:38 AM

Please read the thread topics in the Flames forum entitled "Internet experts and other needy folk ... " and "Entitlement ... ".

Thanks!

:D

splice

16-09-2005, 05:03 AM

Keep denying the history and misleading people to the "Sole" Santo-ha (Hyoho) Niten Ichi Ryu to the world. We will continue bringing good laughs to every BS you continue posting in your homepage.
As I said and you corrected me, we can bring the horse to the river, but it will depend on the horse drink the water or not.... bye!

You know what I'd really, really like? Either for you to stuff it, or just bring it on to the Kobudo Kyokai and the other organizations. Why don't you, if you're so convinced you're right and everyone else is wrong? Why don't you, if not agreeing with you is the same thing as denying an a-bomb was dropped on Japan? You sure seem like a big man on this message board, I'm sure they'll take that in consideration and listen attentively.

Somehow, I doubt you'll do either.

Hyaku

16-09-2005, 09:13 AM

I really don't care how you play in your kindergarten. Go to a Buddhist temple or whatever, hold the katana or stay the the whole day in your mentioned "normal standing position" (LOL)..... bye!

Now now. You just accused somebody else of being childish. Keep it friendly and keep children out of the conversation.

FastEd

16-09-2005, 12:36 PM

But anyway, if that's what they are doing, that's fine. More people joining will help to pay the expenses. Business is business, in the end.
Good luck for them.

From my experience with the Guelph seminar I can tell you that these things are both difficult to run and expensive. If you manage by the grace of God to break even then your laughing. If this were a "business" we would have shut down years ago....no...in reality those of us who help run this seminar are just normal folk who love the art and are honored and privileged to have Sensei share his time and instruction with us. We are all volunteers, those that are able even pay for the seminar as well. I have respect for anyone willing to take up the challange of running a seminar and wish all those who do, great success. It's worth it.

Oh and...sorry for the drift.

mad_god

16-09-2005, 03:47 PM

From my experience with the Guelph seminar I can tell you that these things are both difficult to run and expensive. If you manage by the grace of God to break even then your laughing. If this were a "business" we would have shut down years ago....no...in reality those of us who help run this seminar are just normal folk who love the art and are honored and privileged to have Sensei share his time and instruction with us. We are all volunteers, those that are able even pay for the seminar as well. I have respect for anyone willing to take up the challange of running a seminar and wish all those who do, great success. It's worth it.

Oh and...sorry for the drift.

Everything has its price. I understand it and I don't care how they will make the money for their expenses.... trip of sokes, accomodations, meals, parties, entertainments, venue for the seminar.... so, it's well understandable.
Again, good luck.

mad_god

16-09-2005, 03:50 PM

Now now. You just accused somebody else of being childish. Keep it friendly and keep children out of the conversation.

It's not me that called someone a troll in the first instance.
Don't expect being called a gentle man or respectable old man.

Hyaku

16-09-2005, 04:50 PM

It's not me that called someone a troll in the first instance.
Don't expect being called a gentle man or respectable old man.

Dont twist my words. You mentioned a Kindergarden. That has nothing whatsoever to do with this forum or the thread.

If your not a troll I suggest somebody goes on Wikipedia or somewhere and redefines the word. If anything with your disrespecful comments towards a senior Kobudo/Kendo teacher you add new meaning to the word. If trolls the wrong word could somebody please give me a substitute?

mad_god

16-09-2005, 05:07 PM

Dont twist my words. You mentioned a Kindergarden. That has nothing whatsoever to do with this forum or the thread.

If your not a troll I suggest somebody goes on Wikipedia or somewhere and redefines the word. If anything with your disrespecful comments towards a senior Kobudo/Kendo teacher you add new meaning to the word. If trolls the wrong word could somebody please give me a substitute?

Again, the old trick to deviate the main topid of the discussion...
Never changes...

ScottUK

16-09-2005, 08:33 PM

Oh and...sorry for the drift.Not at all. This was very pertinent to the thread. However, MG doesn't have issues with the seminar or the way it was advertised, but instead has issues with Hyaku and the HNIR.

Welcome to partyland, KW style... :D

mad_god

16-09-2005, 10:30 PM

Not at all. This was very pertinent to the thread. However, MG doesn't have issues with the seminar or the way it was advertised, but instead has issues with Hyaku and the HNIR.

Welcome to partyland, KW style... :D

If you remind our previous discussion, I pointed out the topics that was misleading people in that website.
I don't care if people have their own intepretation, in fact, seems that this was what their soke said about people reading GorinnoSho.
However, saying that only your interpretation is right and bringing points like the grip and kamae or GorinnoSho only can be understood if you know Buddhism is too far to a nonsense, and that's what I am talking about.

About the advertisement that says "kept secret" I just thought it funny. And the discussion was ended, until someone put fire on it...
Besides, I doubt if it was an advert from another 2 sword group you people would be quiet without any criticism... Well, people should not hunt rabbits when they have big ears themselves... hunting is not funny when it's you that is being the prey, is it?

ScottUK

16-09-2005, 10:48 PM

This is all about the seminar. Are you going? No? Shame. It would have been nice meeting you and Ayako, but I guess you'll stay anonymous and nothing more than an internet kenshi...

Hyaku

16-09-2005, 10:50 PM

Hisham

17-09-2005, 08:39 AM

MG, your problem is basicly your anonymous status, for somebody who wants to warn people about a big "fraud" that's not a good start.
Why didn't you answer Scott's questions:
My understanding is that the Noda-ha is that they still practice, but the Nh-NIR of old (i.e. the one listed with the Nihon Kobudo Kyokai ceased to exist and then was restarted at a later date. Do they still do Embu?
How many NIR schools are considered legitimate koryu by the NKK?
I myself get pretty suspicious of people that dodge straight questions, reminds me of politicians playing people for fools, see this doesn't serve your "truth crusade" plus the fact that you express yourself in a rather arrogant manner which i think was pointed out before, anyway as it was said before if you're a "truth holder" be at least as transparent as your "opponent(s)", if not you'll be regarded as a frustrated troll who just throws words right and left without saying anything at the end.
You can disagree about a book like go-rin-no-sho without showing your credentials, but you have to do the latter when accusing an institution. To my mind that is the logical way.
My 2cents

mad_god

18-09-2005, 06:40 PM

You can disagree about a book like go-rin-no-sho without showing your credentials, but you have to do the latter when accusing an institution. To my mind that is the logical way.
My 2cents

Wrong. Nobody is disagreeing with GorinnoSho. It's the opposite.
Read again. I am arguing the "interpretation" posted by someone's homepage as the solely correct way to read the book.
If his soke said people would interpretate the book in different ways... why trying to push his own interpretation as "my one is the right one"?

ScottUK

18-09-2005, 06:48 PM

Is it not wrong to have one 'recognised' path and others who interpret things differently and do their own thing? Your Musashikai draws from Noda-NIR don't they? No-one's got a problem with that. Hyoho NIR considers itself to be the recognised path of NIR. The Nihon Kobudo Kyokai et al also consider this.

You guys have your own interpretation. What's the problem?

mad_god

18-09-2005, 06:58 PM

How odd, the Nihon Kobudo Kyokai lists Hyoho NIR as 'Hyoho NIR' and not 'Santo-ha'.

My understanding is that the Noda-ha is that they still practice, but the Nh-NIR of old (i.e. the one listed with the Nihon Kobudo Kyokai ceased to exist and then was restarted at a later date. Do they still do Embu? I don't think so - will have to confirm this with Hyaku as he attends these events and I don't (I can't find a direct train from here!). I understand that only 'official' koryu schools are allowed to perform Embu at these events and pretty much the guaranteed way of seeing whether a school is legitimate or not...

.

I said before that Hyoho was added recently, to be more precisely, after the last Santo's soke. So, the name was changed to Hyoho NIR, but people in Japan still call it Santo-ha (nothing wrong with that).

For the question of Noda-ha, yes, they still practice it (officially it's backed up by a Kendo Federation) and also are affilliated to KK.
I already sent a link of an event where they had Santo-ha NIR and Noda-ha NIR demonstrations.

ScottUK

18-09-2005, 07:32 PM

Please read my posts before you comment. The NKK calls the ryu Hyoho. They are THE leading authority. Exactly who in Japan call HNIR 'santo-ha'? Just you guys?

Once again I asked a simple question in post #41. Can you not answer anything I ask?

Hyaku

18-09-2005, 07:45 PM

I said before that Hyoho was added recently, to be more precisely, after the last Santo's soke. So, the name was changed to Hyoho NIR, but people in Japan still call it Santo-ha (nothing wrong with that).

For the question of Noda-ha, yes, they still practice it (officially it's backed up by a Kendo Federation) and also are affilliated to KK.
I already sent a link of an event where they had Santo-ha NIR and Noda-ha NIR demonstrations.

Enough is enough. You just wont let lie will you.

I would fully agree with Hisham. Anonimity and having your own interpretetion of Gorin no Sho is one thing although I consider it disgusting to go around saying that a Sokes advice is "crap".

I can't recall myself making and derogatory remark towards Noda Ha. Just a comment of a Kendo club sticking their name on a lineage chart. I dont recall writing here about our relationship with Noda ha either. I would never do that. This is NOT for the internet. Dragged the affairs of institutions and trolling them on the net is way out of line.

You know we know who you are! I'll give you choice. Cut the crap or I will remove your anonimity for all to see your just a loudmouth with very little to back up your credibility.

ScottUK

18-09-2005, 08:00 PM

Hisham

19-09-2005, 01:16 AM

Wrong. Nobody is disagreeing with GorinnoSho. It's the opposite.
Read again. I am arguing the "interpretation" posted by someone's homepage as the solely correct way to read the book.
If his soke said people would interpretate the book in different ways... why trying to push his own interpretation as "my one is the right one"?

If you can't make the difference between "disagreeing about" and "disagreeing with" then i'm sorry for confusing you.

mad_god

20-09-2005, 03:49 PM

I'm amazed that you haven't done it yet. The guy refuses to answer questions, purports to be a high-yudansha kendoka and denies membership of a group but uses their teachings against you and the ryu.

The relevant answer for discussion was already given. But Santo-ha NIR group cannot discuss things logically, and try chilidhsly attempts to attack my person.
You want to know who calls Santo-ha? Just go to a Japanese google ou yahoo and search for Santo-ha (山東派　二天一流). And why don't you want be called by the name of your previous sokes? Cannot understand...

mad_god

20-09-2005, 04:00 PM

I would fully agree with Hisham. Anonimity and having your own interpretetion of Gorin no Sho is one thing although I consider it disgusting to go around saying that a Sokes advice is "crap".

I can't recall myself making and derogatory remark towards Noda Ha. Just a comment of a Kendo club sticking their name on a lineage chart. I dont recall writing here about our relationship with Noda ha either. I would never do that. This is NOT for the internet. Dragged the affairs of institutions and trolling them on the net is way out of line.

I don't care what is your interpretation about GorinnoSho, but saying you're the right one and others are wrong is the problem I am discussing here. Arrogant remarks are nonsense for me, no matter if it's from your soke or yourself.
You asked for the source, I already provided them. Someone asked about Noda-ha, I just answered his question. Now you say it's a lie or I am doing derogatory remarks... lol. If you have a problem, mister, go and blame the authors, or who made the question, not me.
And if you don't have any other logical comment to say, go and study more, instead just making personal attacks in the internet. It's just a shame...

Kusarigama

20-09-2005, 09:41 PM

I don't care what is your interpretation about GorinnoSho, but saying you're the right one and others are wrong is the problem I am discussing here. Arrogant remarks are nonsense for me, no matter if it's from your soke or yourself.
You asked for the source, I already provided them. Someone asked about Noda-ha, I just answered his question. Now you say it's a lie or I am doing derogatory remarks... lol. If you have a problem, mister, go and blame the authors, or who made the question, not me.
And if you don't have any other logical comment to say, go and study more, instead just making personal attacks in the internet. It's just a shame...

Mad_god's rantings are a "Tale told by an idiot, full of sound and thunder, signifying nothing" (with apologies to William Shakespeare).

Just let him drool and twitch in his secret dark little corner and be done with it.

Britt Nichols

splice

20-09-2005, 09:51 PM

I don't care what is your interpretation about GorinnoSho, but saying you're the right one and others are wrong is the problem I am discussing here. Arrogant remarks are nonsense for me, no matter if it's from your soke or yourself.

So, you tell off people for giving an interpretation of gorinnosho and supporting it, saying they're not accepting other interpretations and that's a problem.

On the other hand, you say the interpretation they give is crap, and you're right.

This "I know you are, but what am I?" stuff is really pathetic, isn't it? Keep on doing it, we've all got you pegged, I'm sure.

KhawMengLee

21-09-2005, 02:00 PM

Scott mate...its no point arguing with MadGod. If Musashi himself came about and gave his view the guy would still say he's right. He uses no credible sources and seems to filter out your points by talking about something totally irrelavent when he's proven wrong.

He's just an arsehole whose enjoying getting people upset because he's got no life. He's a loser. Don't waste your time on him.

ScottUK

21-09-2005, 07:34 PM

I hate it when you guys are always right... :D

Hyaku

21-09-2005, 08:46 PM

http://www.kendo-world.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=238&stc=1

R A Sosnowski

22-09-2005, 12:07 AM

http://www.kendo-world.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=238&stc=1
Thank you, Bill Mears, for the gift of humor. R.I.P.

mad_god

22-09-2005, 04:03 PM

So, you tell off people for giving an interpretation of gorinnosho and supporting it, saying they're not accepting other interpretations and that's a problem.

On the other hand, you say the interpretation they give is crap, and you're right.

This "I know you are, but what am I?" stuff is really pathetic, isn't it? Keep on doing it, we've all got you pegged, I'm sure.

The problem of the grip thing is that Santo-ha NIR people are saying their interpretation is right, and others are wrong. That's what I am saying it's crap, no matter if it's their soke that is saying it.
According the book NIR of Ichikawa (previous soke of Noda NIR and 8 dan Hanshi in kendo), we can see even NIR they have different interpretation of the way in handling the bokuto. And the most important part, GorinnoSho also not mentions to "loose" the tenouchi (different of holding softly) as Hyaku is ignorantly suggesting.

And how about the kamae standings? At least do you know the difference now? Or still confused?
I hope Buddhism and Sutra learnings will be introduced into Santo-ha NIR to let them understand GorinnoSho.
Maybe it will help them to argue things logically, as the only thing Santo-ha NIR people can do at this moment is personal and silly attacks...
Santo-ha NIR, keep playing with your "kept secrets" toys... lol

Hyaku

22-09-2005, 07:40 PM

The problem of the grip thing is that Santo-ha NIR people are saying their interpretation is right, and others are wrong. That's what I am saying it's crap, no matter if it's their soke that is saying it.
According the book NIR of Ichikawa (previous soke of Noda NIR and 8 dan Hanshi in kendo), we can see even NIR they have different interpretation of the way in handling the bokuto. And the most important part, GorinnoSho also not mentions to "loose" the tenouchi (different of holding softly) as Hyaku is ignorantly suggesting.

I hope Buddhism and Sutra learnings will be introduced into Santo-ha NIR to let them understand GorinnoSho. Maybe it will help them to argue things logically, as the only thing Santo-ha NIR people can do at this moment is personal and silly attacks...Santo-ha NIR, keep playing with your "kept secrets" toys... lol

You seem to be very fond of the Right/Wrong words. You read a page and either you believe it or you dont. Hardly my problem if you dont. We dont go on the net moaning about every single page we read. Its called trolling.
Unless that is you might have a credible interest in all this that you might tell us about?

As mentioned you would even probably disgree with Musashi if he was alive.

Now you completely have me at a loss with what you have just said about Buddhism. You now tell us you hope that Buddhist Sutras will be introduced yet before describe them as "crap"

You mentioned grip. You are filtering and cross posting to try and draw us off again. My answer to grip was here
http://www.kendo-world.com/forum/showpost.php?p=134098&postcount=272
But in any case never in a million years can you learn grip from a book. If you have never been to a NIR dojo I guess you will never know what he meant.

ScottUK

22-09-2005, 07:42 PM

If you have never been to a NIR dojo I guess you will never know what he meant.Has he ever been in a dojo FULL STOP? :D

Hyaku

22-09-2005, 07:59 PM

Has he ever been in a dojo FULL STOP? :D

Dunno but he seems to rely on Gorin no sho a lot. Didn't anybody tell him that most of the minute details about kamae and grip are written in Hyoho Shiji no Kajo?

Maybe if he changed his name from mad_god to right_wrong?

mad_god

23-09-2005, 03:51 PM

You mentioned grip. You are filtering and cross posting to try and draw us off again. My answer to grip was here
http://www.kendo-world.com/forum/showpost.php?p=134098&postcount=272
But in any case never in a million years can you learn grip from a book. If you have never been to a NIR dojo I guess you will never know what he meant.

Going to your dojo will not help also... people think suburi is just warming up, and doens't know the difference between kamae and fighting positions... ! going there it's a complete waste of time and money.

Anyway, let's take your answer:
To be more precise he said, "You should grip the sword holding the thumb and index finger as if they were floating the middle finger neither tight or slack. The ring and little fingers very tight. It is bad to have an empty space in the hand." Now heres the main bit you missed........... "Hold the sword with thought of slashing the opponent. When you slash your opponent the hand remains the same, and you hands must not tense up" .

In the picture of your homepage, there is a big empty space in the hand...that you claim being the right way to hold a sword... you're just contradicting yourself with GorinnoSho...
and you says ring and little fingers tight... but says you should not tense up... seems you're confused in your interpretation.

Now thats the important bit. It's NOT a shinai. No chakin shibori. No cuts and running through. It's slashing through to stop a centimeter from the floor. You keep moaning about grip but it looks like you totaly missed the point anyway. The power of the cuts is generated from hara/hips. The hands and particular muscles simply work in conjuction. .

Working in conjunction doens't mean make them "loose" and create an empty big space like the photo you brought in that silly homepage. And you said, ring and little fingers very tight... looks to me there is a small "tension" in the hand... There is a big gap in what you're doing, and what you're interpretating.
Have you attended any tea ceremony to understand how "tense" is the called "chakin shibori"? You're confusing with "zoukin shibori"! lol.

And by the way, about the kamae... GorinnoSho mentions people should stand in "normal" position, like when walking... further, there is a chapter he says you should show yourself "taller" than the opponent. How is it possible in the way you're trying to convince people about "your kamae" position?

Hyaku

23-09-2005, 06:23 PM

In the picture of your homepage, there is a big empty space in the hand...that you claim being the right way to hold a sword... you're just contradicting yourself with GorinnoSho...and you says ring and little fingers tight... but says you should not tense up... seems you're confused in your interpretation.

Cross post thread again but I will aswer Looks like your looking at the wrong hand. You cut with the left not the right. As I said a detailed explanation of grip and kamea is not found in Gorin no sho. But if thats all you have read you obviously would know no better.

Whatever this or Hyoho Shiji no Kajo says it relates to that particular era of swordsmanship. I have no idea why you cant figure out that. As I said before it's seperating these arts and methods is what makes it what it is. To lump it all together sounds so amateur. Would you go to a Kung Fu class and do Karate? Please dont tell us your an expert on that to without something to back it up like a grade name or dojo!

mad_god

24-09-2005, 08:59 PM

Cross post thread again but I will aswer Looks like your looking at the wrong hand. You cut with the left not the right. As I said a detailed explanation of grip and kamea is not found in Gorin no sho. But if thats all you have read you obviously would know no better.

Detailed explanation of grip and kamae is not found in the book? Maybe. But the basic points is mentioned. Probably because Musashi didn't care too much to other details, as he was mentioning the important topics.
What I want to say is, if you found that that was the best way that you could interpretate from the book, it's fine. But don't say it's the only right way and others are wrong.

mad_god

24-09-2005, 09:05 PM

As mentioned you would even probably disgree with Musashi if he was alive.

It's not me that is saying people should show smaller (instead taller) than the opponent. It's not me that is saying people should tense the legs in the kamae, not in a natural standing position.
Neither it's me is saying you must read the book to understand it, when Musashi said the only thing you must do is practice a lot to understand the meanings.
And it's not me that said hold the hand with empty space... tell me again, who is disagreeing with Musashi? Me or Santo-ha "hyoho" NIR?

And it's not me that said suburi is just a warming up....

Hyaku

25-09-2005, 12:01 AM

It's not me that is saying people should show smaller (instead taller) than the opponent. It's not me that is saying people should tense the legs in the kamae, not in a natural standing position.
Neither it's me is saying you must read the book to understand it, when Musashi said the only thing you must do is practice a lot to understand the meanings. And it's not me that said hold the hand with empty space... tell me again, who is disagreeing with Musashi? Me or Santo-ha "hyoho" NIR?

And it's not me that said suburi is just a warming up....

No. But you seem rather preoccupied with criticising it. As I said you offer no credibility whatsoever that you have any knowledge or experience in Batto except a wild claim of direct personal tuition from Nakamura Soke that you cant back up. You certainly are not a member of anything that is remotely connected with NIR.

Why don't you just keep off my home page and mind your own damn business. The pages are just an informational guide on what Soke teaches certainly not my own idea. Before I joined the ryu I had never even done this myself and am perfectly aware of what other facets of swordmanship do. Its common knowledge throughout the sword world that different sensei have different views on kenjutsu, kendo, iai, whatever and not the place of an anonymous troll to criticise anybody. Someone who cant offer one iota of credibility.

You really are pathetic if you just try and pick up and try to dissect a few words on a home page of information. As I said no one asks you to go on there and pick fault as if its some personal afront to you. Just keep off it and mind your own business about things that don't concern you.

What with previous personal comments directed at Sokes age and posture, comments about his knowledge of Musashi's writings as "crap" And now some absolutely stupid comment about using my head for tameshigiri? You really are one really sick bi?ch.

I'll squelch you again and would ask that no one cuts, pastes or quotes this idiots comments.

ScottUK

25-09-2005, 08:13 AM

...would ask that no one cuts, pastes or quotes this idiots comments.Ahh, too easy...

May I recommend you change the homepage of Hyoho.com to read two sentences:

"we practice sword arts, but we're so secretive we remain anonymous and don't tell anyone what we do".

...and...

"webpage designed and inspired by the Maddest of Gods".

mad_god

27-09-2005, 04:40 PM

I'll squelch you again and would ask that no one cuts, pastes or quotes this idiots comments.

I am not asking you to believe in my comments about who I learned from.
But if you cannot make logical arguments to refute my techinical criticism, blame only yourself for your ignorance...
Don't need chakin shibori? I can imagine how you execute the kendo gata ipponme (uchidachi). Using all the muscles of your arms to stop the big and fatal swing... oh I forgot. NIR bokutos are light. Maybe that's why some NIR people think chakin shibori is not needed...?

Since you don't have anything more to argue in this topic, and you want to quit the discussion, that's fine. Let's finish it. Just let your friends aware to not play 2 Swords Cops neither reply with provocations to the posters in the future. I just want to have a nice talk with anyone that is willing to discuss things that is for people's interests, no matter if his school is recognized or who is his teacher...or where he is doing it...

Have a good practice.

KhawMengLee

27-09-2005, 05:13 PM

But if you cannot make logical arguments to refute my techinical criticism, blame only yourself for your ignorance...

Hahaha...omg, this guy is amazing...not only does he use no logic in his arguments but he has the audacity to claim that everyone else hasn't been doing so...

Sigh...once again, an ashida kim wannabe has invaded the forum.

ScottUK

27-09-2005, 05:58 PM

I am not asking you to believe in my comments about who I learned from.That's a good thing, 'cos no-one here does...

... oh I forgot. NIR bokutos are light. Maybe that's why some NIR people think chakin shibori is not needed...?A common misconception. Lightweight bokuto are used initially. A different bokuto is used later on...

Since you don't have anything more to argue in this topic, and you want to quit the discussion, that's fine. Let's finish it. Just let your friends aware to not play 2 Swords Cops neither reply with provocations to the posters in the future.There wouldn't be budo cops if there weren't trolls saturating forums with argumentative comments. Hey, I may have even listened to you if you were honest instead of hiding...

IZA

28-09-2005, 11:00 PM

Honestly Mad God
What is am just curious about your background on Niten, any?
Just asking...hope its okay for me to ask you.

Hyaku sensei has the upperhand in this matter, because of his credentials.
So telling us more about your experience would be very nice.

Hisham

29-09-2005, 12:18 AM

ScottUK

29-09-2005, 12:20 AM

Dunno about modest. Try banned. Check out his post header...

There is a god after all... and it ain't Mad_God... :D

splice

29-09-2005, 01:46 AM

Dunno about modest. Try banned. Check out his post header...

There is a god after all... and it ain't Mad_God... :D

I remember him being banned previously, I believe for using different usernames. I wonder if it'll be more permanent this time.

Of course, with the moderators overworked, I don't doubt he'll show up under another username. Maybe this time he'll admit to being in Musashikai and start from there.

Hisham

29-09-2005, 04:39 AM

Dunno about modest. Try banned. Check out his post header...

There is a god after all... and it ain't Mad_God... :D

About time, he should've stuck to posting about kendo.

Paikea

29-09-2005, 04:46 AM

mad_god (http://www.kendo-world.com/forum/member.php?u=4666)
Banned

Ah....victory.

Kaoru

30-09-2005, 12:43 PM

mad_god (http://www.kendo-world.com/forum/member.php?u=4666)
Banned

Ah....victory.

Hey everybody!

Wow... I sure missed a lot! I finally have access to a computer tonight thanks to staying at my parent's for the night. :D

Man, I wish I hadn't missed all this! *feels left out... sniff! :D *

Gee, the stuff that happens when I'm gone!

Iza-san, Kumusta ka?? Kumusta ang imong practice sad? MG, I am sure, hasn't any credentials or experience in NIR. Sad... He's got no businesss trying to discuss it.

hehehe, Paikea, the word Victory doesn't even begin to describe it! They should have left him banned in the first place, IMHO. I can smell a rat a mile away!

I'll have my computer back by next week. :D He'd better run while he can, because I'll make mince meat out of him if he tries to come back! (For those of you who got upset with at me for asking for him to be banned that first time, see why I did now? I'm not upset, honest. It's just that if he'd been left banned, none of this would have happened. I knew this would happen if he was allowed to return. I wouldn't have asked, if I thought he'd settle in like Hai Hai did.)

And MG, don't bother trying to come back because I will know who you are regardless! :D

Anyway, I'm glad he's banned again. The fighting will now stop. And, Hyaku-sensei won't have to put up with him. :)

Kaoru

Kaoru

30-09-2005, 12:46 PM

Ahh, too easy...

May I recommend you change the homepage of Hyoho.com to read two sentences:

"we practice sword arts, but we're so secretive we remain anonymous and don't tell anyone what we do".

...and...

"webpage designed and inspired by the Maddest of Gods".

Ahahahaha!!! That was awesome!! :D

Anyhow, how are you? :) Sorry for not replying to you yet on e-budo!

Kaoru

KhawMengLee

30-09-2005, 03:53 PM

hehehe, Paikea, the word Victory doesn't even begin to describe it! They should have left him banned in the first place, IMHO. I can smell a rat a mile away!

I'll have my computer back by next week. :D He'd better run while he can, because I'll make mince meat out of him if he tries to come back! (For those of you who got upset with at me for asking for him to be banned that first time, see why I did now? I'm not upset, honest. It's just that if he'd been left banned, none of this would have happened. I knew this would happen if he was allowed to return. I wouldn't have asked, if I thought he'd settle in like Hai Hai did.)
Kaoru

No point. Using intelligence just goes over his head...and thus he ignores the argument. And to actually get through to him means going down to his level...and nobody wan't to swim in the sewers.

ScottUK

04-10-2005, 07:51 AM

Ahahahaha!!! That was awesome!! :D

Anyhow, how are you? :) Sorry for not replying to you yet on e-budo!

KaoruAm good. You?

I'm just getting prepped for next week's seminar - oiling bokuto, making sinister chants to unseen gods, self-flagellation. The usual really. :D

No seriously, am getting quite hyped for a good practice. I hope M_G can make it there too... hehe.

Estel Duron

05-10-2005, 05:05 PM

Question: is Noda-ha a legitimate cadet of NIR or not?

Hyaku

05-10-2005, 08:21 PM

Question: is Noda-ha a legitimate cadet of NIR or not?

I sent a pm to you.

Kaoru

09-10-2005, 08:44 AM

I sent a pm to you.

Hyaku-sensei, If I was you, I'd not send him anything else regarding HNIR. He may be MG. Estel came around just after MG was banned the first time. Sorry, can't help but being suspicious. Estel has come back just after MG was banned recently, again for a 2nd time. He never was around once MG got unbanned that one time. Funny, that...

Kaoru

Estel Duron

09-10-2005, 10:08 PM

Kaoru,

Hyaku-sensei, If I was you, I'd not send him anything else regarding HNIR. He may be MG. Estel came around just after MG was banned the first time. Sorry, can't help but being suspicious. Estel has come back just after MG was banned recently, again for a 2nd time. He never was around once MG got unbanned that one time. Funny, that...

Kaoru
EXCUSE ME??? You think that I am MAD DOG???:angry: Why, just because I questioned Hyaku's use of condescension and profanity?

For all I know you could be a 12 year old anime fan.
You're an anime fan yourself, right? Why else would you use the name "Kaoru" with the RRK Kaoru as your avatar. As for the profanity--

. . . some anonymous idiot masturbating on the keyboard. . .
--this would have gotten someone else a warning. But Hyaku was excused?

Surprisingly, Hyaku was more polite in his PM to me:

---- (Hyaku's PM omitted for privacy reasons;
if Hyaku permits, I will post his PM if people want it) ----

I am gratified by his response, which leads me to forgive his earlier impropriety, now that I take into account that he was provoked. At the very least, he did not judge me by mere appearances, which proves that he is more worthy of my respect than I had earlier thought and that he is worthy of the Menkyo he now holds.

YOU, on the other hand, jumped at once into the WRONG CONCLUSION. Bago ka humusga, dapat alamin mo muna kung tama ka!:angry: I am outraged that you would think that I am MAD DOG come back! Your circumstantial evidence is incomplete; his reappearing after I've left could mean a lot of different things, like that unlike a lot of keyboard warriors (of which, it appears MAD DOG is one) I actually have a job. I don't have to spend all my time on a computer just so I can post on internet forums. Yes, suspicious coincidence. But I AM NOT MAD GOD.

Want proof? These are my blogs (http://summerexposure.blogspot.com; (http://summerexposure.blogspot.com/;) http://estel-duron.blogspot.com) (http://estel-duron.blogspot.com%29/), my real name is there, including what I do. What do you do, Kaoru? Before you start making wild accusations, better check your facts first. All your suppositions are merely circumstantial.

Would you want a birth record to go along with that? Can MAD DOG/GOD do the same? Check my identities on these other forums:
Martial Arts Planet (as Estel Authorion)
Elfling (as Estel Duron)
The Barrowdowns (as Estel the Descender)
The Philippine Methodist (also as Estel Duron)
Friendster (http://www.friendster.com/user.php?uid=3183304)Tell me honestly if those posts even approach the way MAD DOG writes.

Very disappointed in you,
Estel Dúron i-Nos Author

P.S.

To make sure I get any response from any of you three (either an apology from you, Kaoru, or a reprimand from either Hyaku or Iza), then I will post this PM on the thread, without Hyaku's PM to me (of course).

mingshi

10-10-2005, 01:44 AM

YAWN - some people take this forum too seriously. They should just do some suburi and chill.

Hisham

10-10-2005, 07:38 AM

Well nobody wants to be mistaken for some anonymous idiot masturbating on the keyboard :D

Kaoru

10-10-2005, 11:02 AM

Kaoru,

EXCUSE ME??? You think that I am MAD DOG???:angry: Why, just because I questioned Hyaku's use of condescension and profanity?

You're an anime fan yourself, right? Why else would you use the name "Kaoru" with the RRK Kaoru as your avatar. As for the profanity--

--this would have gotten someone else a warning. But Hyaku was excused?

Surprisingly, Hyaku was more polite in his PM to me:

---- (Hyaku's PM omitted for privacy reasons;
if Hyaku permits, I will post his PM if people want it) ----

I am gratified by his response, which leads me to forgive his earlier impropriety, now that I take into account that he was provoked. At the very least, he did not judge me by mere appearances, which proves that he is more worthy of my respect than I had earlier thought and that he is worthy of the Menkyo he now holds.

YOU, on the other hand, jumped at once into the WRONG CONCLUSION. Bago ka humusga, dapat alamin mo muna kung tama ka!:angry: I am outraged that you would think that I am MAD DOG come back! Your circumstantial evidence is incomplete; his reappearing after I've left could mean a lot of different things, like that unlike a lot of keyboard warriors (of which, it appears MAD DOG is one) I actually have a job. I don't have to spend all my time on a computer just so I can post on internet forums. Yes, suspicious coincidence. But I AM NOT MAD GOD.

Want proof? These are my blogs (http://summerexposure.blogspot.com; (http://summerexposure.blogspot.com/;) http://estel-duron.blogspot.com) (http://estel-duron.blogspot.com%29/), my real name is there, including what I do. What do you do, Kaoru? Before you start making wild accusations, better check your facts first. All your suppositions are merely circumstantial.

Would you want a birth record to go along with that? Can MAD DOG/GOD do the same? Check my identities on these other forums:
Martial Arts Planet (as Estel Authorion)
Elfling (as Estel Duron)
The Barrowdowns (as Estel the Descender)
The Philippine Methodist (also as Estel Duron)
Friendster (http://www.friendster.com/user.php?uid=3183304)Tell me honestly if those posts even approach the way MAD DOG writes.

Very disappointed in you,
Estel Dúron i-Nos Author

P.S.

To make sure I get any response from any of you three (either an apology from you, Kaoru, or a reprimand from either Hyaku or Iza), then I will post this PM on the thread, without Hyaku's PM to me (of course).
If you are hoping for a flame argrument, you are not going to get one. You're just trying to incite an argument now, by the title of your post, and that's not right.

True, I ought to have just PM'd him instead. But, you also ought to have had enough maturity to not post as you just did.

Anyway, this is my last post on the subject. Please do not come back and try to keep the discussion going by replying.

Oh, and the reason I use Kaoru as my username and avatar, is because the character is a girl who does a sword art and kind of looks like me(I've got long brown hair and am as short as she is.), and the avatar has her in the Kendo uniform and is doing suburi. It hasn't anything to do with being an anime fan.

Kaoru

kendonewbie

10-10-2005, 11:36 AM

Kaoru,

EXCUSE ME??? You think that I am MAD DOG???:angry: Why, just because I questioned Hyaku's use of condescension and profanity?

You're an anime fan yourself, right? Why else would you use the name "Kaoru" with the RRK Kaoru as your avatar. As for the profanity--

--this would have gotten someone else a warning. But Hyaku was excused?

Surprisingly, Hyaku was more polite in his PM to me:

---- (Hyaku's PM omitted for privacy reasons;
if Hyaku permits, I will post his PM if people want it) ----

I am gratified by his response, which leads me to forgive his earlier impropriety, now that I take into account that he was provoked. At the very least, he did not judge me by mere appearances, which proves that he is more worthy of my respect than I had earlier thought and that he is worthy of the Menkyo he now holds.

YOU, on the other hand, jumped at once into the WRONG CONCLUSION. Bago ka humusga, dapat alamin mo muna kung tama ka!:angry: I am outraged that you would think that I am MAD DOG come back! Your circumstantial evidence is incomplete; his reappearing after I've left could mean a lot of different things, like that unlike a lot of keyboard warriors (of which, it appears MAD DOG is one) I actually have a job. I don't have to spend all my time on a computer just so I can post on internet forums. Yes, suspicious coincidence. But I AM NOT MAD GOD.

Want proof? These are my blogs (http://summerexposure.blogspot.com; (http://summerexposure.blogspot.com/;) http://estel-duron.blogspot.com) (http://estel-duron.blogspot.com%29/), my real name is there, including what I do. What do you do, Kaoru? Before you start making wild accusations, better check your facts first. All your suppositions are merely circumstantial.

Would you want a birth record to go along with that? Can MAD DOG/GOD do the same? Check my identities on these other forums:

Martial Arts Planet (as Estel Authorion)
Elfling (as Estel Duron)
The Barrowdowns (as Estel the Descender)
The Philippine Methodist (also as Estel Duron)
Friendster (http://www.friendster.com/user.php?uid=3183304)Tell me honestly if those posts even approach the way MAD DOG writes.

Ahem....cough...
http://parody.organique.com/003.html ....did you forget yours today? Anyway...whats the big deal? So Kaoru and Hyaku made a mistake and though you were someone you weren't...so what? Is it really that big of a deal that you have to go explode on people and start making personal attacks? Geez...dunno about prozac..but whatever your on, you forgot to take it today....