fumikomi..

[kendokamax]

was watching all japan 50th and i realized that in most hits(mostly men uchi), the foot always touches the floor a bit after that the shinai touches the target. I thought it made more sense that both touches at the same time....hum I'm confused.... I think i will try both way.

what do you people do?



btw Ando has a very fun kendo to watch! He is very active ! and has a vicious tsuki..so fast!

match of Iwasa and Harada was so boring....I guess they knew eachother too well, being in tokyo police...but still 95% of the match was in tsubazeria and they never try any hiki technique....

Tachibana got stolen! kozeki hiting his elbow for kote...dont know but the judging was not very consistent in this one. Men uchi of Iwasa vs Harada was so deep...even by the distance he hit you could tell the hit wasnt good.

anyway I enjoyed watching Ando kendo!! very refreshing

cant wait for next practice!

[kendomushi]

Every sensei I've ever met teaches the strike hits at the same moment the foot hits. In practice that doesn't always happen though and isn't the only consideration of the judges in awarding a point.

[Inouye02]

took video's of keiko, and almost everybody's strikes and feet are not at the same time....very rarely do they land at the same time ..

[Sinta]

I have a hard time coordinating my strikes with the landing of my feet. Complicated indeed -_- Sometimes I forget or just stumble around during jigeiko if I concentrate too much on it.

[Paburo]

max, if only SUPER PERFECT POINTS, with super ki ken tai ichi were given, most matches would end in hikiwake. and enchous would last hours and hours.

since achieving a super perfect point (with super perfect fumikomi too) is rare, the shinpan have to be a bit more flexible. it's common sense.

besides, in slow motion it's EASY to see what lands first, but try to see it at 'best-kenshi-in-the-world' speed.
they're so fast you just see flags rising up but you don't understand what the hell happened :D

[emitbrownne]

My sensei constantly repremands me for striking after I 'stamp'. He is currently showing me some techniques to aid my timing. I am practicing now with a suburi bokken in the attempt to speed up my cuts....

Sinta: when I concentrate too much, I generally stumble around..... them trip over my hakama..... then get hit whilst on the floor :)

Is my stide too small? Is my cut too big? Is it just that I am very bad? :)

[KhawMengLee]

just relax as one sensei said to me...

I noticed that the senseis in my dojo have this habit of doing a long kirikaeshi(up and down non stop for about 30 cuts) before starting jigeiko. They say its because when you are tired or worked up, your muscles are more relaxed and less tense.

[kendokamax]

I dont know....my timing is perfect, but seeing these guys doing it like that I thought maybe it gives something else..

damn i was so impressed by Ando

[kendokamax]

hum actually just checked one of my taikai video , it's not always perfect timing lol

k feels better now

but i remember watching a short video on e-bogu and they show men uchi and the dude (Taro Ariga) doesnt touch at the same time and they circle the feet and the shinai..

not that i'm looking for perfect kendo, but just at the different options.

[smith]

When beginners' feet and cut do not match it is because their foot comes down before cut.

When yudanshas' feet and cut do not match it is nearly always because cut comes before feet.

Just an observation...

[Chusan]

Hitting when your fumikomi-foot is still in the air is fine.

[Neil Gendzwill]

Originally posted by Chusan
Hitting when your fumikomi-foot is still in the air is fine.
Do that in your kiri-kaeshi during an exam and you've failed in my book.

[Chusan]

Fumikomi-ashi and Kiri-Kaeshi?
Are you sure??
Or are you thinking of the first Men-Uchi in Kiri-Kaeshi? In this case you might consider, that fumikomiashi is just ONE way of hitting, you may also chose Okuri-Ashi. In this case you are supposed to hit while your left foot (the backward one) follows the advancing leading right foot.

[Isak]

My Sensei told me that the whole point with fumikomi was to put weight behind your cut, to show that if this would have been a sword instead of a shinai you would have been able to do permanent damage. His teaching was that the right foot should come down simultaneous to the hit OR after, since in both cases you are helping the cut with your body weight. Of course, landing the right foot before is compleatly useless, providing the same effect as not having fumikomi at all.

He actually uses that as a rule when he teaches beginners to. Making them try to land after the hit usually gets them to simultaneously hit with the shinai and the foot instead of foot-then-shinai.

[Neil Gendzwill]

Originally posted by Chusan
Fumikomi-ashi and Kiri-Kaeshi?
Are you sure??
Or are you thinking of the first Men-Uchi in Kiri-Kaeshi? In this case you might consider, that fumikomiashi is just ONE way of hitting, you may also chose Okuri-Ashi.
I'm talking about the 3 straight fumikomi men in a normal kirikaeshi (which in our federation is fumikomi-men into taiatari, 9 saiumen with suri-ashi, fumikomi-men into taiatari again, 9 more saiumen, then fumikomi-men and through). No, you may not choose okuri-ashi unless I know you've got some injury that prevents you from doing it properly.

The basic technique is that the foot, the shinai and the voice all make one sound. If you are demonstrating basics like in kirikaeshi, then there aren't any other timing options for fumikomi. In competition of course the judges are considering a bunch of things together and everything is happening pretty fast. In that case it is more important that the body and the sword are together, and you don't necessarily have to have fumikomi at all to do that.

[Chusan]

exactly :D

[Raiza]

Out of curiousity, is there a general consensus as to whether there should be fumikomi with the 9th sayu-men during kirikaeshi? There isn't any mention of the fumikomi in the KW's most recent issue regarding kirikaeshi and it's not listed in Ozawa's wonderful book. Based on that, I would say no, but I'd be interested to hear everyone's opinion on this.

I do it because my first dojo does it, but I want to be sure whether or not to pass this on to the beginners I'm helping out.

[Neil Gendzwill]

No fumikomi on any of the saiumen, just on the three straight ones.

[samurai999]

Originally posted by kendokamax
was watching all japan 50th and i realized that in most hits(mostly men uchi), the foot always touches the floor a bit after that the shinai touches the target.

Ahh.. The tales told by videotape. It is true that everything should hit at the same time, but in the match, you go by sound. Even if the foot hits at a different time than that of the shinai, the sound produced sounds like it happened at the same time.

Remember that one of the prime triggers for a judge to raise his or her hata is the sound. The pop of a men or a kote or the crack of the do and the boom produced by the foot hitting the floor. They don't have videotape to review. Of course if they did their judging looking for the absolute perfect hit, then the match would go on for ever.

Man.. I wanta start playing again...

Edit- Just remembered something. The sound produced by the shinai and the sound of the fumikomi take different times to travel to a persons ear. Maybe the sound waves produced by that of the fumikomi travels faster than that of the shinai. They reach the shimpans ear at the same time signaling (to the shimpan) that both events happened at the same time.

Tim

[supernils]

Mechanically: To preserve balance moving something (the Shinai) downwards you also need to move something (right leg) upwards. When the foot finally hits (downwards) the shinai's usually on its way upwards again. This I think is the reason of doing the untimed strike. It's probably done more on instinct rather than on purpose.
It works fine the same way when you do big cuts with suri ashi since the hit is synchronized with the bringing forward of the left foot. Those to motions take each other out.

Just a theory of mine