Bushido

[Kumdo-Star]

Who here follows the way of Bushido i try but sometimes i stray

[Jacynth]

I started my spirtual path after reading Samurai Zen by scott shaw. Really good information on realisim about Bushido

[Wes Nazo]

Who here follows the way of Bushido i try but sometimes i stray

Are you serious or are you some fanboy who wants to pretend to be a samurai?

From wikipedia: "Bushido expanded and formalized the earlier code of the samurai, and stressed frugality, loyalty, mastery of martial arts, and honor to the death."

You don't seem to follow any of the seven virtues either.

Stop pretending to be something you're not. I doubt you're willing to die for honor.

[Kumdo-Star]

Who here follows the way of Bushido i try but sometimes i stray

Are you serious or are you some fanboy who wants to pretend to be a samurai?

From wikipedia: "Bushido expanded and formalized the earlier code of the samurai, and stressed frugality, loyalty, mastery of martial arts, and honor to the death."

You don't seem to follow any of the seven virtues either.

Stop pretending to be something you're not. I doubt you're willing to die for honor. I would give my life for honor and for the people

[Neil Gendzwill]

See here (http://koryu.com/library/kfriday2.html) for an informative article about bushido.

[Wes Nazo]

See here (http://koryu.com/library/kfriday2.html) for an informative article about bushido.

Good article, but I don't think Kumdo-star cares about the truth, judging by his lack of maturity and behavior on these boards. I put him in the same catagory as those kids who are "self-taught" ninjas.

[pgsmith]

I would give my life for honor and for the people
An honorable man is always truthful. Based upon your prior conduct on this board, I would have to say that you are clueless about honor. I believe that some serious research and strengthening of your will is in order.

Just my opinion though.

[Paikea]

I would give my life for honor and for the peopleHahaha...I love it when a 15 year old pathological liar brags about things like this.

Tell us all, what do you know about death, really? Have you ever watched someone die up-close and personal? What noble-sounding fanboy (love that word, PG) crap you spout.

[Lloromannic]

Hahaha...I love it when a 15 year old pathological liar brags about things like this.

Tell us all, what do you know about death, really? Have you ever watched someone die up-close and personal? What noble-sounding fanboy (love that word, PG) crap you spout.

Not a fanboy. A poseur.

[Fonsz]

Who here follows the way of Bushido i try but sometimes i stray



Furthermore, the abstract, transcendent loyalty to the emperor and the kokutai demanded of Japanese subjects by modern bushido was a far cry from the particularized, feudal loyalty valued by Tsunetomo and his contemporaries. The former was intangible, institutional, and more akin to nineteenth century German patriotism than to the lord/vassal bond of premodern Japan. The latter was direct and personal: for Tsunetomo the relationship between a samurai and his lord was grounded in a kind of platonic homosexual love; for Yuzan, it derived from an extension of filial piety. In short, twentieth century and early modern commentators on bushido may have been using many of the same words, but they were NOT speaking the same language.


I like to stray from those rules if you don't mind after reading the
"The Historical Foundations of Bushido"

By Karl Friday graciously provided by Neill. Above mentioned quote says it all.

[Paikea]

Not a fanboy. A poseur.Ah, but poseur implies something more than just mindless trendyism. To be a poseur one must have at least enough subject knowledge to (initially at least) pass as genuine or warrant further examination (like 2SwordStyle or to a lesser degree, Karathos). Mindless trendies (or, fanboys) need only regurgitate what they see on television or in a comic book. The trendies get bored quickly and fade away, the poseurs usually stick around longer, and have to be run off.

[Hisham]

The trendies get bored quickly and fade away.

This one seems to be an exeption and might need to be treated as a poseur.

[Lloromannic]

Ah, but poseur implies something more than just mindless trendyism. To be a poseur one must have at least enough subject knowledge to (initially at least) pass as genuine or warrant further examination (like 2SwordStyle or to a lesser degree, Karathos). Mindless trendies (or, fanboys) need only regurgitate what they see on television or in a comic book. The trendies get bored quickly and fade away, the poseurs usually stick around longer, and have to be run off.

A trendie maybe, Not a fanboy, fanboys are loyal to the point of scariness.

Besides, he has been kicked out so many times and keeps coming back, not fickle at all.

[R A Sosnowski]

I started my spirtual path after reading Samurai Zen by scott shaw. Really good information on realisim about Bushido
I am glad you were inspired; unfortunately, the content of SZ is badly flawed. See

“Book Review: Samurai Zen by Scott Shaw,” Journal of Japanese Sword Arts #107, 12(3-4), pp. 23 - 25, Mar/Apr 2000.
"Re: samurai zen" (http://listserv.uoguelph.ca/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0011&L=iaido-l&T=0&F=&S=&P=8861) in Japanese Sword Art Mailing List <IAIDO-L@LISTSERV.UOGUELPH.CA> (Thu, 9 Nov 2000).

[pgsmith]

Thanks Ray!

Nice write-up there.

[Twobitmage]

Its kind of silly to talk too seriously about bushido in mordern times, imo.

There are alot of different teachings around the world that say much of the same thing and have far more socially acceptable means. I mean it was acceptable in the days of samurai to KILL someone if you half suspected them of slighting you. and killing yourself when your master died? no thanks.

There are good things to take away from it but to say wholeheartedly that you are devoted to giving your life for the way is bordering on madness in my mind.

[Naga-San]

There are good things to take away from it but to say wholeheartedly that you are devoted to giving your life for the way is bordering on madness in my mind.[/QUOTE]

That is quite true, sir! I have noticed that there a many good things (read: concepts) to be taken from bushido, like the priniciples the samurai lived by (and they can be "attached" to just about any faith or code of conduct), but one has to remember that these people were trained from the womb to find honor in death, I doubt there is ANY modern culture (for some obscure tribes may) that lives that way today, especially not mine...then again, we Americans tend to be "culture-less", IMO, something that saddens me deeply.

[Wes Nazo]

Its kind of silly to talk too seriously about bushido in mordern times, imo.

There are alot of different teachings around the world that say much of the same thing and have far more socially acceptable means. I mean it was acceptable in the days of samurai to KILL someone if you half suspected them of slighting you. and killing yourself when your master died? no thanks.

There are good things to take away from it but to say wholeheartedly that you are devoted to giving your life for the way is bordering on madness in my mind.

Exactly. It seems that Bushido is no longer relavant in modern society. If I follow any moral code, it would be the Eightfold Path of Buddhism, which in my opinion is more relavent than the Ten Commandments.

[mystic_kendoka]

this is my set of moral codes
i've been developin them over the years ...

Protect and provide for those you love
Live off others you dont care about (profit and exploit them to the limits of the law)
Do what is most beneficial for you and those you love
Silence stupidity (or teach them otherwise)
Don't hurt morons before you've warned them plentifully beforehand
Think before you act
Make decisions quickly, your instincts are usually right, so act on them

[Old Warrior]

this is my set of moral codes
i've been developin them over the years ...


With all due respect (and envy for your youth), I suggest you keep an open mind on all of your code points. You haven't lived enough to be so sure that you've got them all right or that there aren't a few more to add.

[Neil Gendzwill]

Make decisions quickly, your instincts are usually right, so act on them
Yeah, that works great when you're 16...

[Paikea]

this is my set of moral codes
i've been developin them over the years ...

Protect and provide for those you love
Live off others you dont care about (profit and exploit them to the limits of the law)
Do what is most beneficial for you and those you love
Silence stupidity (or teach them otherwise)
Don't hurt morons before you've warned them plentifully beforehand
Think before you act
Make decisions quickly, your instincts are usually right, so act on them

Where wars come from:
Live off others you dont care about (profit and exploit them to the limits of the law)
Do what is most beneficial for you and those you love
Silence stupidity (or teach them otherwise)
Don't hurt morons before you've warned them plentifully beforehand

Where most children in the world come from:
Make decisions quickly, your instincts are usually right, so act on them

#1 and #6 were kinda cute though.

[mystic_kendoka]

lol, of course they arent perfect, and im definately not saying they should be followed at all cost... :P

this is just something i made for TOK (theory of knowledge) class at school, but i plan to improve on it over the years

[sparrow]

You people say you follow honor, what honor is there when you view others as inequal. A samurai looks not to the development of others, but focuses on the training and developments of himself.

[Paikea]

Samurai? There are samurai here?

[Kapplow]

I like the way of walking alone by musashi. Really good stuff.

[pgsmith]

A samurai looks not to the development of others, but focuses on the training and developments of himself.
Bwahahahahahahahaha .......

Whew .... Thanks, I needed a good laugh! :D

[Kenzan]

The way of the Samurai is death....

..Mostly because they're all dead...
:D

[veritas]

Quote:

I'd die, I'd die for anyone, come on baby would you die for me?
"Jim Morrison":p As good as it gets...unless your suicidal:scared:

[kartoffelngeist]

The way of the Samurai is death....

..Mostly because they're all dead...
:D

Well put...

[Kenzan]

this is my set of moral codes
i've been developin them over the years ...

Protect and provide for those you love
Live off others you dont care about (profit and exploit them to the limits of the law)
Do what is most beneficial for you and those you love
Silence stupidity (or teach them otherwise)
Don't hurt morons before you've warned them plentifully beforehand
Think before you act
Make decisions quickly, your instincts are usually right, so act on them

Normally I try to be open minded of other's views (Or at least I try to pretend it as much as possible.)

But you're joking of course, right?
:normal:

[Asura]

In my opinion, there are priciples and ethics in bushido, which helps us a lot in our training and our development of our kendo.
For example, beeing devoted to train regulary, discipline in training and ettiquette, not beeing half-hearted in what you do.
There can be no training in a martial art as kendo, without some priciples of bushido.

But on the other hand, I agree with most of you, who say that living our life the way the samurai did, isn´t working.
Beeing always ready to meet ones death in battle is unnecessary today.
And as most of us are neither Japanese, nor buddhists, most of the spiritual advices in bushido aren´t working for us either, like welcoming death if you are in doubt what to do.
So it´s rather foolish to try to live exactly like a samurai.

After all they were soldiers, trained warriors, whose life consisted mainly of killing each other on the order of their lords.
(Yes, I know there is more than that to be called samurai, and I know the difference between bushi and samurai. But beeing ready to kill, and get killed, that was the essence of beeing a samurai.)
So maybe those who feel the need to do such things, should join an army.

For myself, I try to do kendo with seriousness and I orientate on my sensei and the sempais in my dojo for kendo and those aspects of bushido I need to understand for kendo.
As my sensei says, kendo can make you a better person, teaching you respect and humility for other people.
So thats what we can adopt from bushido, not throwing around quotes from Hagakure and proclaiming one would be ready to meet his death for honor.
Personal honor is important to a certain degree, but as society changes, so must the view on honor and on the principles we live on.

As the Hagakure states: "Although one would like to change todays world back to the spirit of one hundred years ore more ago, it cannot be done. Thus it is important to make the best out of every generation. This is the mistake of people who are attached to past generations. They have no understanding of this point."

I would say, this is true enough...

[xvikingx]

Normally I try to be open minded of other's views (Or at least I try to pretend it as much as possible.)

But you're joking of course, right?
:normal:

Yeah, I like this this part especially.


Think before you act
Make decisions quickly, your instincts are usually right, so act on them

Well, which is it?! My guess is he doesn't do too much of the former.

[ben]

You people say you follow honor, what honor is there when you view others as inequal. A samurai looks not to the development of others, but focuses on the training and developments of himself.

A pox on your single post sir (or madam), for resurrecting this worthless thread! The rest of ye be gone! And busy yourselves with more profitable ruminations.

b

[xvikingx]

The rest of ye be gone! And busy yourselves with more profitable ruminations.


yessum:disapp:

[Ignatz]

And busy yourselves with more profitable ruminations.

b
Cows ruminate.:cross_eye

[Gessho]

Who here follows the way of Bushido i try but sometimes i stray

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA !!!!!!

Dude, get yourself a girlfriend.

[I_am_Cthulhu]

Who here follows the way of Bushido i try but sometimes i strayBloody hell. This place is turning into Martial Arts Planet.

[Lounge]

Here we go again...

What do you mean by bushido???? I hold to the belief that the samurai of the Ashikaga shogunate period, who were at war and constantly fighting, would have had a completely different understanding of what bushido was compared to the samurai of the Edo period, who as time passed became more courtiers and bureaucrats. The samurai of the end of the Edo period had even less to do with warfare and more to with their job as consulates to the daimyo.

As time passes and times change can we really say that the ideals of busido do not change with them? Which ideal of bushido do you follow? the waring factions or the artisans and courtiers? or new modern version that exists to suit the age that we live in now?

I am not bushi; I am not budoka; I am not samurai; I do not carry my sword at all times; I am not at war; I do not kill peasants in the streets for not showing the proper respect. What I do is train in a JSA that makes m feel good and some how connected to the old 'samurai' guard.

Bushido does not exist in this day and age as you believe it does, there is evidence to show that maybe it never existed, see Neil Gendzwill's post on page one.

[Kenzan]

I do not kill peasants in the streets for not showing the proper respect.

What The?!!!? You mean were not supposed to do that?

..Geez...I've got a lot of apology cards to send out then.

:D