who is misterkurukuru?

[Inouye02]

so who is this mrkurukuru that everyone is bashing in the forums ?

[alexpollijr]

A Troll.
And a good one at that.

[Inouye02]

umm , that still hasn't answered my question , is this what the kendo forums are about ? Define troll for me , since i'm a newbie to this

[Paburo]

Troll

n: An individual who chronically trolls in sense 1; regularly posts specious arguments, flames or personal attacks to a newsgroup, discussion list, or in email for no other purpose than to annoy someone or disrupt a discussion. Trolls are recognizable by the fact that the have no real interest in learning about the topic at hand - they simply want to utter flame bait. Like the ugly creatures they are named after, they exhibit no redeeming characteristics, and as such, they are recognized as a lower form of life on the net, as in, "Oh, ignore him, he's just a troll."

[ben]

Just about the most pointless question I've ever heard uttered on this forum.

[mingshi]

:confused:

Thought this kurukuru is "well known" by the best folks in US??? He is in LA so you should know better than any of us!!!

All that we know about him:-
1. A troll
2. Yondan Kendo
3. Sensei of his own club in California
4. Won something in a place called "Cleaveland". (Note: I have limited knowledge about the US geography.)
5. But he is not good enough to be in team USA

--there are more I can give but I guess you know who he is already.

[Inouye02]

Trolls are recognizable by the fact that the have no real interest in learning about the topic at hand - they simply want to utter flame bait.

so i guess this ben is a troll too ?

[aru-ma]

Cleveland-a city in the state of Ohio (no bad puns please), Home of Drew Carey the comedian (despite the facthe's a canadian), Located South-east of Detroit, West Of New York and near the US-Canadian border, has no known Hockey teams in the NHL therefore not worth the mention(j/k). just in case you're wondering mingshi

[Inouye02]

mingshi..

#1 seems like theres a whole lot of trolls who post ..I guess they're the billy goats gruff ..lol

#2 yes he is a yondan , so dont hate ..

#3 not yet , at least lol

#4 its Cleveland, and its in Ohio

#5 I think you mean Team California U.S.A...and if i'm wrong he missed by a point of making it ..so let me ask you , did you make the London Team team ? has anybody who bashes misterkurukuru made their team ? Let me know ..

Also this Alex guy from montreal never replied to mrkurukuru, just wants to keiko with you ...

guess i'm a troll now

[alexpollijr]

Plonk.

[mingshi]

Correction: He actually said it's "cleavland" that he was at, and not Cleveland. Makes me wonder who's got better geographical sense.

Yes Inouye you are a troll too. You signed up for 2 KW accounts already. You definitely know this Kuru dude already, so asking about him here is redundant. You are from Venice Kendo Club so there is no reason why you don't know him.

Needless to say, being in a team for your local region or even your own country is totally impractical if you want to use it to show off here. It sucks to the bottom when I imagine myself being the chairperson of the HK Naginata Fed. in the future :(

[Inouye02]

other account i messed up when i said no to cookies , so if you know how to reset it , let me know

[Inouye02]

plonk ? so intelligent there

[Ares2907]

Actually alex, A good troll is one that makes you wonder whether or not they really are a troll as they try and make you lose your cool. These ones appear to be too inept to string a sentence together let alone an argument, rational or otherwise.
My guess these are fairly common trolls of the AOL/WebTV variety. The killfile is the best place for them given that any response containing words with more than three or four syllables each are likely to draw responses to the effect of
'No you're wrong and you're a doodiehead' and 'I'm not projecting, you are!' (you can pick and mix where you want to insert your incorrect grammar, spelling et al)

Their threads are fairly easy to identify and it's hard for them and their alter-egoes to pollute the decent threads if they're in your killfile. Yet another fantastic argument for compulsory sterylisation afaik.

[munenmuso]

Why don't you just send mrkurukuru a private message and ask him about personal details since your the only one interested about his biography. At least you'll get direct info about him. I'm sure your humble subject will be very eager to tell you all about his greatness in full details.

[William Honda]

Inouye2

I heard, third party (therefore unreliable) that Mr. Kurukuru used to kill lions with a yari. Just like Kato Kiyomasa and tigers.

I would not mess with him. I eat cereal in the morning, he probably ate the lions he killed.

Sincerely,

William

[M.K. Kawai]

Hi Inouye

Good luck dude. Unless he announces to the world who he is... its like looking for a needle in a haystack.

BTW, I haven't seen you for a while... how's your nito going?

MKK

[MaxPayneWayne]

you know, all you guys whine and cry about all the stuff misterkurukuru says, but some of you guys are guilty of saying "controversial" stuff too. like how some person said that nito was for musashi wannabees blah blah blah. go to the "nito wannabees" dojo in japan and go get your butt kicked cause you have no respect for anyone other than yourself and your narrow-minded "philosophy" of kendo. you probably haven't been doing kendo for even 10 years. oh... guess i'm a freaking troll now cause i said something that hurt someone's feelings. yeah and it's showing off when you tell others your rank and how many years you've been doing kendo? i've been doing kendo for 15 years (oops, i'm being a troll again), and i have seen alot of crap take place in the kendo world, and so i believe more experienced people would know just a liiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiitle bit more than some of you kendo newbies. some of you who are still kyu rank and have been doing kendo for half a year talk like you know everything in kendo. just because you read gorin no sho, read kendo magazines, watch videos, or hear what some sensei says doesn't mean anything if you're not experienced. some of YOU guys need to be quiet and go practice for five years before you get the right to speak about some of these topics. would you rather have someone working on your brain who knows all the theory behind the surgery or someone who's been physically doing it for 10 years? are you guys so naive that you think everything is textbook perfect in kendo? that just means you are either inexperienced, stink at kendo, or just dumb. i sure would hate to be a sensei and have a bunch of idiodic students tell me what the hell kendo is. oh no please don't plonk me or whatever the hell you guys do, you dorks.

[Inouye02]

Hello Kawai Sensei, Everythings going good , been practicing with Nakauchi Sensei, been doing alot of shoto waza, debana kote, men and so on , since i'm doing nito in the classical way , not gyaku style, so the shoto becomes more of use , anyways i'll be coming by your Dojo soon ,

inouye

[mingshi]

For the first time in your life, you are starting to feel insecured when some kids know more than what you got over 135-year of experience.

Those kids also like to do research and question about what they are learning. Instead of switching into something new because "I find Chudan boring", first they challenge the idea of holding 2 kid's shinai.

"I have 135 years of experience so I must be right!" is not a logical answer. I have nothing worth bragging about out of 20 years of my life, but at least I can back my arguements with factual evidents. At least I am willing to read some books while I still can.

You don't have to prove that you are a sensei, whatever-dan, or winning some minor *** taikai outside Japan. Just find me and smack me down. Maybe I will learn my lesson?

[m_french]

( like how some person said that nito was for musashi wannabees blah blah blah.)

Who wouldn't wat to be Musashi???? I saw him on channel 18 last Saturday.... Hommie Rocks

[William Honda]

Mingshi,

I think you miss the point totally. Also where do you come up with 135 years?

I read 15 years. 15 years is 15 years = more than most of us. Experience is the best teacher, yes? He has seen and done. Some of us only dream.

William

[kendokamax]

boo this thread sucks

ya you did 15 years of kendo , but some people here lived 50 years of life....does this mean you cant say anything about life because everyone is more experienced than you in it?

This is stupid and makes people become like unthinking sheeps...

It sounds like Wayne Gretzky comments about war in Iraq...."let Bush do what he thinks is right, because he knows better than us about these things"

he was maybe the best hockey player ever, but....geez he says too much bullshit on TV since he retired.

[Ostrak]

Originally posted by MaxPayneWayne
you know, all you guys whine and cry about all the stuff misterkurukuru says, but some of you guys are guilty of saying "controversial" stuff too. [portion omitted] just because you read gorin no sho, read kendo magazines, watch videos, or hear what some sensei says doesn't mean anything if you're not experienced. [portion omitted] would you rather have someone working on your brain who knows all the theory behind the surgery or someone who's been physically doing it for 10 years? [portion omitted]i sure would hate to be a sensei and have a bunch of idiodic students tell me what the hell kendo is. oh no please don't plonk me or whatever the hell you guys do, you dorks.

MaxPayneWayne---Actually, I don't think I have whined about the stuff misterkurukuru says but it's kind of you to throw everyone in the same boat. Does this include you as well or are you the bastion of goodness?

Regarding experience...What type of experience are you talking about? Personally I think there is more to Kendo than just the application of Kendo techniques thus those with experience in life (perhaps even another martial art) might be able to add something but maybe with your 15 years of Kendo experience you have nothing to learn from anyone that is a lower rank than you in Kendo? I think that's a shame. Perhaps through reading various sources and sharing them we learn and those we discuss the ideas we read about learn as well (perhaps something as simple as a way of phrasing an explanation that you had never heard can do wonders) I have presented ideas to my sempai who has received them extremely well and appreciated my input. Should I assume this is not the norm?

Brain surgery....I don't think brain surgery is really the best analogy. If I were in a dojo I would certainly prefer someone with practical experience to teach me. If I am in an online forum and need it explained to me that may not be the best option. Those who can perform the best are not always those who can explain the best (although they are not mutually exclusive). Perhaps the practicioner does not know as much theory as the theorist or perhaps the practicioner cannot explain the application as well as the theorist. In an environment such as this (e.g. online) does the practicioner really have an advantage? To phrase your question in another way...if you were to have a doctor in the U.K explain to a doctor in the U.S. how to operate on your brain in the U.S. (there is no significance behind the countries I picked) would you prefer the U.K doctor to be able to perform the operation correctly or to explain how to perform the operation correctly? He might be able to do both but I'm definitely going with the explanation for my brain, if his performance lends to his explanation than maybe he'll win..who knows.

Regarding you calling people names.....Perhaps my bare 2 months of experience with Kendo hasn't given me the enlightenment that you have received in 15 years but I thought that there was an element of respect in Kendo? Perhaps not.

[smith]

I've done kendo for 20 years, but you don't hear me boasting about i--
Oops.

[sminki]

I think this is pretty simple. This is a forum and people, right or wrong, have a right to post their ideas. Ideally speaking this forum should act as a place where ideas are exchanged and where kodansha guide/teach/set examples for people who are newer to kendo.

The most important thing to remember is that kendo begins and ends with rei. As such, right mannerisms and speech are in order. Unfortunately, many people on this forum seem to resort to making rude comments/using profanity. I am not attacking anyone or talking about anyone in particular. I am only pointing out a matter of fact. The problem is that each and every one of us take pride in our respective skills, dojo, sensei, beliefs, etc., but we should all remember that we are not always right and we should all remember to respect other kenshi. Honestly, I feel like I have seen a lot of inappropriate language and arrogance unbecoming of a kodansha from a number of kodansha in this forum. Don't get me wrong I have also seen the same from the lower ranks as well. I personally am sick and tired of all this "judges suck, you know nothing, my kendo is the best, I'm right, you're wrong and I'll kick your ass" talk by a lot of people.

I guess this is turning into a "can't we all just get along?" speech. My point is that kodansha should behave like kodansha, that newbies should have some humility. No one figure/sensei/dojo/country/kenshi will always be the best and have the strongest kendo. No one is always right. We should just remember to always respect each other as kenshi and most importantly, behave as good kenshi do.

[Inouye02]

mingshi,

I think Itokazu and Chinen would like to be the first ones to throw some smackdown on you , followed by kurukuru san, who knows you might get some good keiko in

[Inouye02]

i'm a musashi wannabe also , hey french are you gonna call my son jotaro now ? ahahahaahha


mingshi , you do naginata ?

[Goyaman]

What Sminki said.

Yes, as we accumulate experience in kendo we gain insights into a lot of different aspects of the art which can also have profound influence into other areas of our lives if we choose to learn the lessons. On a forum like this, the example of this experience is what we can share with less experienced kendoka, and in my view it's the responsibility of experienced yudansha. This is not the WWF.

Respect kendo, respect your opponents, and learn the lessons. Then drink a lot together after practice.

[m_french]

Originally posted by inouye2
hey french are you gonna call my son jotaro now ?


Jotaro it is , hey that's better than Monkey face.....oh, wait a minute that was the boy in TAIKO, I get my period peices mixed up.:beard:

[KhawMengLee]

TAIKO was a really good read. Heh, Hideyoshi rocked! And three women to boot! what a playah!

[Inouye02]

hey m_french, what was that flag called again that some people are switching to ?

[m_french]

United nations I think:beard:

[misterkurukuru]

All i know is that if you can do nito with a 39.....Mr.kurukuru gets hyped up like a mother! Next time i wont waste my time doing tsuki on velvita!!

[Inouye02]

velveta ? i must of missed that , but i heard they went in solid ...ahahahaha

[misterkurukuru]

ore wa tensai basket man!

[titus]

Originally posted by MaxPayneWayne
go to the "nito wannabees" dojo in japan and go get your butt kicked cause you have no respect for anyone other than yourself and your narrow-minded "philosophy" of kendo.

Is there actually a dojo in Japan that specializes in nito? How about in North America? This is a serious question, I'm actually curious, would be cool to check it out.

[M.K. Kawai]

Titus,

There is at least one dojo that specializes in nito ryu in Japan. They were profiled in the February issue of Kendo Nippon. Unfortunately I don't have the issue with me:( but some of the people I know who do nito do have it. Maybe they can help out here.

MKK

[mingshi]

Niten Ichi Ryu Musashi Kai (http://www.hakudoh.com/musasi/index.html)

Their name says it all.

No further comments.

[moocow65]

I highly doubt (99.99999999999999999999999999999%) that there is a dojo in North American that specializes in nito ryu. I just know that there's a decent person who does nito in canada, but you probably know him if you're in canada, an awesome sensei in sourthern California, and I think also a Korean sensei in southern California. I don't know, he either did nito alot in the past or something. I think he has a student who does pretty strong nito too. And I think he was on the Korean Men's Team (the sensei, not the nito guy). But I know for sure he coached the Korean highschool national team.

[MaxPayneWayne]

well, maxpaynewayne has a comment for you, you ignoramus. looky here you nimrod, you think everyone who does nito is a musashi wannabee? well, let me repeat myself again. so using your illogical logic, everyone who uses one sword is a mainstream samurai wannabee. in other words: EVERYONE WHO DOES ITTO IS A KOHJIRO WANNABEE THEN! kohjiro used ONE sword. he did ITTO. and you know what? he LOST to MUSASHI who used NITO. some of wannabees and some are not. the ones who are serious are not wannabees. why don't you just shut your mouth and know your role? maxpaynewayne has left the forum.....

[m_french]

Originally posted by MaxPayneWayne
well, maxpaynewayne has a comment for you, you ignoramus. EVERYONE WHO DOES ITTO IS A KOHJIRO WANNABEE THEN! kohjiro used ONE sword. he did ITTO. and you know what? he LOST to MUSASHI who used NITO. maxpaynewayne has left the forum.....

I beleive Musashi used Itto (and with a boat oar at that ) to defeat Kojiro Sasaki.:beard:

[MaxPayneWayne]

yes yes, he used the oar or something that he carved while paddling to the place to fight kohjiro, i know. that's not the point i was trying to make.

[moocow65]

hey maxpaynewayne, you know how you and m_french said that musashi used an oar to beat kohjiro? how many oars did he use? one or two? one right? so he used itto right? well then, i guess everyone who uses itto is also a musashi wannabee. musashi probably used itto way more than he used nito. just thought i would like to add that in.

[AlexM]

Originally posted by MaxPayneWayne
well, maxpaynewayne has a comment for you, you ignoramus. looky here you nimrod, you think everyone who does nito is a musashi wannabee? well, let me repeat myself again. so using your illogical logic, everyone who uses one sword is a mainstream samurai wannabee. in other words: EVERYONE WHO DOES ITTO IS A KOHJIRO WANNABEE THEN! kohjiro used ONE sword. he did ITTO. and you know what? he LOST to MUSASHI who used NITO. some of wannabees and some are not. the ones who are serious are not wannabees. why don't you just shut your mouth and know your role? maxpaynewayne has left the forum.....

Out of curiosity, just who are you talking about? (the ignoramus and nimrod)

Oh yeah....I almost forgot: Nito sucks. I await the thrashing by Mathew Raymond. :D

[titus]

As far as I've read, Musashi had like 30-something duels, and used itto for every single one. He only developed nito for fighting more than one opponent at the same time. I'm fairly certain it was never intended for one-on-one combat.

Not that I'm against nito, just saying...

[misterkurukuru]

meh...whatevers. Mr.kurukuru sucks at nitoryu anyways!

[M.K. Kawai]

Hey Mr. Kurukuru,

What Dojo do you practice at? I'll look for you at the North South Tournament.

Peace....

MKK

[AlexM]

Originally posted by inouye2

Also this Alex guy from montreal never replied to mrkurukuru, just wants to keiko with you ...



I didn't notice this when it was first posted....

For the record, I'll keiko with ANYONE, the better they are the more fun it is for me.

[Inouye02]

hey moocow65,

the korean sensei you mentioned is indeed in southern cal, he studied nito in japan under Toda sensei, i had the pleasure of going to his dojo and doing keiko, it was awesome experience..

[Confound]

Darn, a smack down thread, and I missed it.

Someone send me a pm when you've got something this stupid going on... I hate being left out of the flame wars.

c

[AlexM]

Speaking of smack down....

You promised me a fight Confound. I'm still waiting for a date so that I can prepare myself.

[Paburo]

add to queue

[munenmuso]

Eldest first..

[Tato]

The trouble with kendo is that you don't know if you fight with someone because he/she's a friend or a foe...

In both cases it's rewarding to cut a men on your opponent.

Now I understand Confound's strategy on this forum, she just wants as many fights as she can find across the world.

Count on me too! (gasp!!!)

Rei

[misterkurukuru]

I doubt anyone of us is going to travel acroos the world to practice with each other, but i am going to canada in FEB for the steveston tournament, and it would be neat to practice with some of the canadian heads from the forum! I sure tenken and moocow are going unless they kill everyone at worlds.....then they might feel as though they dont have to fight in tournament anymore! DARN coaches choices...$#%&!What the hell is that anyways?Thats just as stupid as Hantei! Hantei is gay, i dont like having to judge whenthere is only one encho and then hantei..its gay! I did judge at north south, thank god they didnt use and crapy 3 dans...some of the jijis were bad enough as it was.

[Confound]

I guarantee that you will all win. That's the sad part. My shiai experience is slim to nil. Both times I competed in taikai there were reporters milling around for interviews, even though I lost miserably. It's embarassing to be in the newspapers just because you're not Japanese. . .

However, I'd be very pleased to have any kind of keiko or shiai with any comers, mostly because I watn to advice afterwards.

confound

[Confound]

I guarantee that you will all win. That's the sad part. My shiai experience is slim to nil. Both times I competed in taikai there were reporters milling around for interviews, even though I lost miserably. It's embarassing to be in the newspapers just because you're not Japanese. . .

However, I'd be very pleased to have any kind of keiko or shiai with any comers, mostly because I want advice afterwards.

confound

[M.K. Kawai]

Confound,

If you're ever in the LA area just come on down to Gardena JCI. Open invitation. We got a 7 Dan sensei who is more than glad to help anyone who asks.

You just might meet Mr. Kurukuru in the flesh:eek:

Peace...

MKK

[Inouye02]

mr ikuiku might show up also if you go to JCI..

[misterkurukuru]

I wish some people would come down, up, east ,west...
I had to lay the smack down on some guy who was sitting on a chair with his men on during practice!Whats up with that?? good thing he wasnt from my dojo, otherwise he would not have only recived a verbal warning! wait he didnt have a zekken...damm he might be from the other place!?!?! okay next practice smack down on his candy @$$ !!!!!

[Confound]

Mister Kurukuru, et al. (please extend this greeting to all your other aliases as well),

As amusing as it may be to occasionally run across such stunningly asinine posts as the ones you leave scattered around the Kendo World Forums, in much the same way as a wild animal spreads its spoor, there are limits to the amount of poorly-spelled juvenile posturing that this forum can accomodate. You have not only filled the quota, but doubled, nay, tripled it. By virtue of the amount of useless tripe you have seen fit to ladle into every thread that may possibly contain useful information, one begins to question why one bothers to read or post at all.

An old man once said that those who boast most loudly of their accomplishments are usually those who are unable to back them up, or gained them by default. Though I am hardly in a position to challenge you to keiko, to prove these assertions, it is highly likely that I am not alone in my desire to see evidence of the hitherto unsubstantiated pompous bragging that has spewed like sewage from your clearly unrestrained keyboard. One might say, if your words had been uttered in person, that you truly are like a river, everything comes out your mouth.

The most accomplished kendouka I have ever met were very modest and unassuming individuals. A person who has confidence in their skills does not need to continually beat down their subordinates, nor does a good teacher, or good sempai indulge in petty bullying. If you believe that such wasted words will enhance your prestige, you are sorely mistaken, or have been greatly deceived. Most importantly, if these posts reflect your impression of kendou in general, someone has cheated you out of the most rewarding parts of the art.

As for such unimpressive feats as wanton use of ascii cursing, applause is not forthcoming on that front either. Had your posts shown some spark of originality, some fresh new take on trolldom, perhaps I would have been willing to grant you some small level of merit. Unfortunately, they are worse than average, they are abysmally poor.

Pity is the most dreadful of human emotions, the most disgusting and depressing of feelings, yet, if you really are practicing kendou, I cannot help but feel a strange sense of sadness, akin to pity, for those who are burdened with the task of being your dojo mates.

Just a few words from the Resident Curmudgeon,

confound

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[misterkurukuru]

gahahahaha some one that sucks at kendo wants to take it to a level that he thinks he can win at!!!! smart bro, real smart! if you cant win, you wont leanr as much about kendo as you hope to learn! some day when you dont suck and you stop taking yourself as gods gift to kendo world forum, maybe you will see that you have lowered yourself to my level! thank you for the attack! i love it! you want to amke yourself sound better by trashing people!! hahah you are a joke! you are everything that you claim that i am! The attacks on me are just you attacking your own flaws! hahahahahahahahahahahahaha !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
trying to sound all high and mighty and then spweing hateful crap from your mouth does not show us that you are a better person or kenshi then me! it just goes to show that you also have a lot to learn! I put you "you also" because i too have a lot to learn. people always forget the mr.kurukuru never claims to be perfect...or pass himself off as being a kendo master(unlike 99% of kendo world forum). be proud confound....proud that you lowered yourself to my level!! ahahahahahahahah!! why dont you try getting 4 tds in one game!

[misterkurukuru]

ps
i only have one name on kendo world forum, so pull that stick out of your @$$

[Ostrak]

Originally posted by misterkurukuru
why dont you try getting 4 tds in one game!

Hate to ask ...but is this a vague reference to the old T.V. show Married With Children?

[misterkurukuru]

TV show? you mean that wasnt my life? i have been fooled!?!?!

[KATSUJIN]

uh guys, can we stop this thread bashing? I mean....we are supposed to be here talking abt kendo...not who is good or bad or who can whack the most people.....

[misterkurukuru]

sorry Katsujin. i am just the center of hate! Who is mr.kurukuru? a guy that is liked by most, and hated by some...kurukuru men is a good waza, its just that everyone in Sckf does it now. I have two new waza! one that i Nakauchi sensei taught me, and one that i got by watching the greatest Hawaiin in the world Fujimoto san! My new moves are not too fancy, but they work. Next time i head to JCI or Venice i will show you guys! With the new kind of juding that is being taught to us, i dont think super kote will work anymore. Next shimpan seminar should be fun!

[M.K. Kawai]

Oh man... :(

Now you got two more wazas? And I was just getting used to your old one too.

Come on down anytime. Maybe Inouye might be there with his nito. He went last week to Cypress to get a few more pointers from Park sensei. He's gotten pretty good lately.

Bring Tenken and his bro too. See if moocow is willing to stop by too. It will be a blast to have everyone in one dojo. Then we can take a group picture and post it on the net.:cool:

Are you still trying to do the kurukuru Hasso? You should use it at the next shimpan seminar and see what they say about it. :D

That oughta be interesting...

MKK

[mingshi]

Originally posted by KATSUJIN
uh guys, can we stop this thread bashing? I mean....we are supposed to be here talking abt kendo...not who is good or bad or who can whack the most people.....

Yet we got a living example here showing even if your Kendo is slightly better, you can still be a "loser".

In terms of Logical Thinking, Etiquette, English and Typing Accuracy, we all won.

(I feel bad feeding trolls again. But it seems like not feeding them is not the answer. It encourages binary fission, and they survive by eating each other's trash talk.)

[Alex]

My God!!
I find my self agreeing with Confound for once.

Any way, Mr. Kurukuru (pa!), please cut back on the profanities. Play nicely.:cyclops: