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mingshi
25th March 2003, 06:35 PM
Think Kendo is safe? Think again. Just cannot imagine how many people have been doing in-depth scientific research on Kendo over the last 100 years. I "accidentally" came across the National Library Medicine and come across the following articles:-



Strenuous exercise-induced change in redox state of human serum albumin during intensive kendo training.

Imai H, Hayashi T, Negawa T, Nakamura K, Tomida M, Koda K, Tajima T, Koda Y, Suda K, Era S.

Department of Health and Physical Education, Faculty of Education, Gifu University, Japan.

A high-performance liquid chromatographic (HPLC) analysis of human serum albumin (HSA) using an ion-exchange (DEAE-form) column shows three components: The principal component corresponds to human mercaptalbumin (HMA); the secondary to nonmercaptalbumin (HNA), having mixed disulfide with cystine (HNA[Cys]), or oxidized glutathione (HNA[Glut]); and the tertiary to HNA, oxidized more highly than mixed disulfide. The purpose of the present study is to clarify the effects of strenuous exercise load on HMA--><--HNA conversion (i.e., dynamic change in redox state) of HSA from elite kendo athletes (n=30; 20.0+/-1.1 years old). They participated in an intensive kendo training camp for 5 d. The mean value for the HMA fraction (f[HMA]) of kendo athletes after camp (62.8+/-2.4%) was significantly lower than before camp (71.9+/-3.7%) (p<0.0005). In contrast, the mean value for f(HNA-1) (i.e., f[HNA(Cys) and HNA(Glut)]) after camp (34.2+/-2.1%) was significantly higher than before camp (25.7+/-3.7%) (p<0.0005). These results suggested that strenuous physical exercise markedly increased the oxidized albumin level in extracellular fluids during the intensive training camp.




Stress fracture of the ulnar styloid process in kendo player--a case report.

Itadera E, Ichikawa N, Hashizume H, Inoue H.

Department of Orthopedic Surgery, Kochi Prefectural Aki Hospital, Kochi, Japan. itadera@ppp.bekkoame.ne.jp

We present a case report of a 15-year-old kendo (Japanese fencing) player who suffered a stress fracture of the ulnar styloid process. Exercise of the kendo requires the athlete to flex his non-dominant wrist repeatedly in an ulnar direction, and causes the disorder. Excision of the osteochondral fragment relieved the symptoms. This lesion is likely to occur with other sports or activities which demand similar motion of the wrists.




Coactivation of the flexor muscles as a synergist with the extensors during ballistic finger extension movement in trained kendo and karate athletes.

Lee JB, Matsumoto T, Othman T, Yamauchi M, Taimura A, Kaneda E, Ohwatari N, Kosaka M.

Department of Environmental Physiology, Institute of Tropical Medicine, Nagasaki University, Japan.

To analyse the effects of ballistic property training on ballistic finger extension movement, surface electromyographic pattern (EMGs) of the finger extensor and flexor muscles and the acceleration signal of the middle finger were recorded in trained kendo and karate athletes, and sedentary non-athletic men. Ballistic finger extension did not show the characteristic triphasic EMG pattern reported in single joint, but a coactivation of flexor and extensor muscles. Reaction time (RT) in kendo (143 +/- 12 msec) and karate (146 +/- 11 msec) athletes were significantly shorter than that in the control (176 +/- 12 msec). The shortenings of the RT were attributed to both the shortenings of premotor time and motor time. The delay of the flexor muscles discharge after those of the extensors in kendo (0.8 +/- 7.0 msec) and karate (-0.2 +/- 5.0 msec) athletes was significantly shorter than in control (12.7 +/-5.6 msec). These results suggest that the RT is shortened through motor learning in the kendo and karate athletes who trained for momentary movements; and that the flexor muscles may play an important role as a synergist in heightening the efficiency of ballistic finger extension in coordination with the extensor muscles.



Bilateral stress fractures of the ulnae in a Kendo (Japanese fencing) player.

Sujino T, Ohe T, Shinozuka M.

Department of Orthopaedic Surgery, Natogaya Hospital, Kashiwa-shi, Japan.

A case of bilateral stress fractures of the ulnae in a Kendo (Japanese fencing) player is reported; the mechanism of the fractures, particularly the difference in the site of fracture between the right and left ulna, is discussed.



Repetitive strain injury to the foot in elite women kendoka.

Nunn NR, Dyas JW, Dodd IP.

Cheltenham and Gloucester College of Higher Education, United Kingdom.

OBJECTIVE: To account for the apparent high incidence of pain in the feet of elite women kendo players. METHODS: A clinical evaluation was done by a chiropractor, the women were interviewed about their kendo experience, and the conditions and frequency of training and ground reaction forces were measured on a Kistler force plate during the kendo attacking action. RESULTS: Four out the five women presented with plantar fasciitis. They had all practised for some time on wooden floors laid on concrete, for between two to four hours a week. They warmed up conscientiously but cool down was more cursory. The force plate results showed that they were hitting the floor with a mean force of four times body weight during a transient impact. CONCLUSIONS: High motivation for practice and training, hard floors, ignoring painful feet, and cursory postpractice cool down probably produced the condition. Postpractice icing and stretching were found to be most effective in the short term. In the longer term reducing the level of impact, either by training on sprung floors or changing the footwork, might reduce the incidence and intensity of the fasciitis.




A case of pneumomediastinum caused by closed tracheal injury during the game of Kendo (Japanese fencing)

Article in Japanese

Komatsu H, Enzan K, Mitsuhata H, Hasegawa J, Matsumoto S, Suzuki M, Nishihira S.

Department of Anesthesiology, Akita University Hospital.

A patient was injured accidentally on his neck during the game of Kendo (Japanese fencing). After his neck injury, he continued to play Kendo because there was no symptom at that time. Starting 10 minutes after the injury, swelling as well as pain on the neck and dyspnea developed gradually. After the admission to the emergency room, computed tomography revealed pneumomediastinum. Nasal endotracheal intubation was performed gently under fiberscopy. Dyspnea and pneumomediastinum improved gradually during the 6 days after the admission. A patient who has received a closed injury on his neck without immediate symptoms or signs must be observed closely because the absence of symptoms or signs does not guarantee the absence of the injury of the trachea.



An unusual cause of metatarsal pain in a young kendo player.

Sakamoto K, Mizuta H, Okajima K, Kitagawa T.

Department of Orthopaedic Surgery, Kumamoto University Medical School, Japan.



A female case of march hemoglobinuria induced by kendo (Japanese fencing) exercise

(Article in Japanese)

Urabe M, Hara Y, Hokama A, Suzuki M, Wakabayashi T, Ishii J.



March hemoglobinuria caused by Kendo: report on 3 cases with exertion test of Kendo and study on erythrocyte membrane SDS-PAGE

(Article in Japanese)

Asai T, Itoh K, Oh H, Sugiura Y, Endo N, Nakamura H, Yoshida S, Igarashi T, Fujioka S.



Carotid dissecting aneurysm due to blunt (rubbing) injury of the Kendo protector

Article in Japanese

Sakai H, Kaneko D, Yuki K, Nakamura N.

A case of dissecting aneurysm of the cervical internal carotid artery due to rare mechanism by non-penetrating injury is described. A 45-year-old right-handed man had complaints of the right lateral neck pain during exercise of KENDO wearing a tight headneck protector. Following sudden dysarthria and left hemiplegia, he developed loss of consciousness and generalized convulsion. Five hours after admission, he became alert and had no neurological deficits. Four days after these episodes, he loss visual acuity of the right eye, and a few days later he showed left hemiplegia, hypotension, hypersomnia and right-sides Horner's syndrome. Right retrograde brachial angiography revealed so-called "string sign" in the right extracranial internal carotid artery and delayed circulation in the right cerebral hemisphere. He was diagnosed as having traumatic dissecting aneurysm due to blunt (rubbing) injury. He was treated with STA-MCA anastomosis 3 weeks after the accident. Usually, carotid dissecting aneurysm due to blunt injury is produced by hyperextension and contralateral rotation of the neck or direct blow to the neck, but our case shows a possible mechanism of rubbing injury such as simple anteroposterior flexion under tight neck fixation.



[A case of march hemoglobinuria following "kendo" (Japanese fencing) exercise

Article in Japanese

Mineoka K, Yamamoto K, Isemura T, Fujii H, Wada S, Masaki K.



[On the influence of Kendo training or home study upon uropepsin excretion

Article in Japanese

Kitamura R.


Source:
National Center for Biotechnology Information (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/)

Just interesting to know what they are all doing in Education Universities when they are not having Kendo sessions.:rolleyes:

alexpollijr
25th March 2003, 06:54 PM
Err.. well, you might actually be right.
But, every sport has it's share of trauma. See football for instance.

PS> That case about the missed tsuki is downright scary!

JSchmidt
25th March 2003, 07:04 PM
"Think Kendo is safe? Think again. "

Crap..ok, I quit!

munenmuso
25th March 2003, 09:18 PM
I thought those drug generic names were enough tongue twisters but after reading that lengthy post by Mingshi I decided to do more kendo and avoid reading more science/medical journal. Reading it alone is already hazardous to your health. Did you get that from the Tales From the Crypts. Scary stuff.....:D

nodachi
25th March 2003, 10:47 PM
Ya know... if you research any sport enough, it will be found to be unsafe... granted some are less safe than others, but there is a danger to everything...

I think the moral of the story is to listen to your body so you can prevent and fix injuries early on. Also, for those nasty injuries that could have been prevented if ones kendo was stronger to prevent the opponent from hurting you in the first place, I think that just gives all the more reason to train harder to prevent such injuries by making ones kendo stronger. Must train. Sorry that sounds redundant, sleepy... zzzzzzzz...


Although, does anyone have any info on signs of injuries that denote worse things that need to be checked into immediately and may require sitting out to make sure one is okay like that whole neck injury thingy above? If I felt okay I would probably continue to compete, but after reading that I might think otherwise down the road. More info on such dangerous things to look out for would be both education, interesting, and appreciated.

Stan
25th March 2003, 11:11 PM
I thought the fact that my opponent (in kendo) was standing in front of me with a 4ft stick ready and willing to hit me with said 4ft stick was proof enough that kendo was dangerous...I guess I was wrong.

Neil Gendzwill
26th March 2003, 01:05 AM
"march hemoglobinuria" means blood in the urine, IIRC. A very common thing to occur in old-school hard-core high school or college practice.

Old Warrior
26th March 2003, 02:03 AM
"I think the moral of the story is to listen to your body"

"Hello Body, this is me. How am I doing?"

"Have you considered miniature golf?"

"Shut-up, what do you know!!!"

Raiza
26th March 2003, 02:57 AM
Any physical activity is not without some level of risk, so it's not surprising that a few case reports have come up, which are what most of the publications that mingshi mentioned. I would recommend, mingshi, that you might want to consult someone with a scientific/medical background (i.e. someone with at least a science/medical degree) before you cut and paste a PubMed search result on a big global forum where not everyone has a scientific/medical background. Some of the abstracts shown are easy to follow, while others would make one's head spin! I think the best approach for someone citing a PubMed result or any other scientific article is that they be able to translate it into everyday language, as best they can, or ask someone who can. My feeble attempt at this is outlined on the second page of the "women and do" thread. One day I will figure out how to put a link to that...

The article by Lee doesn't address an injury or ill-effect at all but an increased speed in muscle responses of kendoka and karateka! My muscles will work faster over time, whee! :p

Regarding march hemaglobinuria (hemaglobin in the urine)...
March hemaglobinuria is when the inner contents of crushed red blood cells (i.e. for kendo: frequent bruising, high-impact footwork) are excreted by the kidneys into the urine. Hemaglobin, the protein responsible for binding oxygen for delivery throughout the body and also responsible for red blood cells being red (hemaglobin has iron attached to it too), winds up in the urine along with all the other stuff that was inside the squashed red blood cells. Old-school and prefectural riot-squad kendoka are more likely to encounter this at a noticeable level than others, but no one is immune. For avid kendoka, if your diet is fine and you feel sluggish for no other apparent reason, this may be the reason why so bring it up with your doctor if your lack of energy is serious enough to warrant medical attention, as most doctors outside of Japan and Korea have little idea what kendo/kumdo is. This kind of hemaglobinuria is certainly not a kendo-specific injury, as the condition was named after soldiers developing anemia after prolonged marching! Same goes for the metatarsal (metatarsals are the long bones in the foot) injury referred to by Sakamoto, which is also known as a march fracture, which I've had the pleasure of having. Not fun!

Anyhow, train hard and respect both yourself and your opponent.

Paburo
26th March 2003, 04:54 AM
Originally posted by Raiza
Regarding march hemaglobinuria (hemaglobin in the urine)...
March hemaglobinuria is when the inner contents of crushed red blood cells (i.e. for kendo: frequent bruising, high-impact footwork) are excreted by the kidneys into the urine

i thought at first it had to do something with tamago uchi/tsuki :D :D :D

aru-ma
26th March 2003, 05:19 AM
like what alexpollijr said, I think most of us know that when doing a sport/martial arts we will receive injuries or some form of trauma. Personally I think those researchs are usefull as those research are in informing us of the specific risk of doing kendo while on the other hand it's a bit like saying thinking/work will cause a certain amount of stress, and I havent seen a research that says " the increase in tax is directly proportionate to the increase in stress in low to middle incomehouse hold with 2 children or more".

titus
26th March 2003, 06:00 AM
This actually brings up a good point I've been thinking about. Does anyone actually train on a sprung floor? Also, how can you tell if it's sprung or not?

The only sprung floor I know of is at a famous club downtown, the dancefloor is sprung and you can dance all night without feeling tired or sore later. However, it looks like a regular wooden floor and feels the same if you jump up and down initially, you have to do intensive work on it for a long time and "feel" the difference later.

Any ideas?

Neil Gendzwill
26th March 2003, 06:17 AM
You can usually tell right away if a floor is sprung or not, just do a few fumikomi on it and you can feel whether it has any spring.

titus
26th March 2003, 06:18 AM
Hi Neil,

Do you train on a sprung floor yourself? Are there any in Saskatoon? Just curious. I'm just wondering how common it is.

kendomushi
26th March 2003, 09:49 AM
Practicing on the military base here, we use a racquetball court, its a decent floor, but not sprung at all.
The dojo I go to out in real Japan (as opposed to the little america of the military base) is made up of large planks set in a wooden frame. The planks are not nailed or fixed in place by anything more than the frame they sit in. The frame is then supported by what look like great big old leaf springs from 1940s truck suspensions. The floor really springs when you do fumikomi. The for an added bit of atmosphere, under the floor are several large clay pots, when you do fumikomi and the air rushes in and out of these, it makes for a very interesting rumble or roaring sound.

alexpollijr
26th March 2003, 10:55 AM
Yep, I believe that when people mention 'spring floors' it's actually like Kendomushi described.

Down here in the japanese colonies of the countryside most dojo are built like that (planks over frame). It's not such a huge deal when compared to the usual dance studio floor (planks over concrete).

Urban dojo though (mine included) never ( never ) have spring floors down here.

JSchmidt
26th March 2003, 11:01 AM
I have practiced on modern sportshall floors, which are sorta sprung, but I find it hard on my knees to practice on. I suspect that it actually doesnt absorb all that much of the impact, but rather sends it back up again, which is probably fine if you are wearing appropiate footwear, but it tends to kill my legs off.

Jakob

Neil Gendzwill
26th March 2003, 11:07 AM
We practice in the YMCA here, which has an old wooden floor that has been beat to crap. It's definitely sprung, although maybe not as much as some that have been purpose-built for kendo with tires underneath or whatnot. You can definitely tell the difference between it and some other places I've practiced where even though the surface is wood, the structure underneath is concrete or something.

mingshi
26th March 2003, 08:01 PM
Okay so I got your attention :D
Of course... it's just a catch phrase. Don't worry too much.

Hey I cannot understand anything medical either. But I would say those are special cases for professionals to study upon, for risk assessments etc. Do you think it is my fault that I find something kendo related in medical science publications that no one understands?? :p

Oh, one more thing... I found this a while ago in Abe Akihito's site. Believe it or not:-


Kendo as a dangerous sports ??
Japanese weekly magazine AERA says that Kendo is one of the most dangerous sports for middle age people. The percentage of sudden death is higher than other sports. Do not practice very hard for your health, but practice very hard for your way of the sword.

You can read it in Japanese here:
Abe's guestbook (http://www.isenokami.com/guestbook/) Abe commented in the Japanese version, "By the way what is the age for 'middle age'?"

Could't find the article at AERA's site, but it was originally outlined (in Japanese) as follows:-

AERA 2002 vol. DEC 9 (http://www3.asahi.com/opendoors/span/aera/backnum/r20021209.html)


Health
Sudden Death:
Dangerous Sports Rank
Top 3 = Kendo, Skiing, Mountain-climbing
Pay Attention to Golf and Gateball Too

Abe-san got the info from the magazine's hanging adverts on the train. Not sure if the original article has any scientific research or evidents behind...

Think Golf is safe too? Think again!! :D

Marine_Boy
26th March 2003, 09:17 PM
Just some deaths resulting from aikido.

http://www.aikidojournal.com/articles/_article.asp?ArticleID=497 (http://)

I didn't quite get the medical jargon of the original thread so it can't have hurt that much!:D

Stan
:dead:

samurai999
28th March 2003, 06:22 AM
Hey! What happened to achilles tendon rupture! :D Just wanted to know because that is what happened to me.

I'm along ~1.5 months and I'm already on one crutch. But, I'm gonna be in a walking boot for a bit.

All of these injuries are scary, but not as scary as American football with spinal injuries, possible paralyzation, ACL, MCL and LCL blowouts, brain damage due to repeated traumatic helmet to helmet contact, etc.

Lastly, if we are all that afraid of injury, why do anything active at all? Why don't we all stay at home, surf, eat, poop, sleep, and play video games all day.

Tim

Kendoboy
29th March 2003, 02:28 AM
Because then we would loose muscle strength and tone, not be able to cary out simple physical activity, not work off the fat from our order in meals, become obese, get a heart murmer, develop a vitamin D deficiency (lack of sun), and experience mental and physical trauma from it. Think alaska, and regions above the arctic circle, where there is like 6 months of no sun at a time, and the worlds highest suicide rates :-)

We aren't safe anywhere, so why not just have fun?

Karaken
29th March 2003, 07:19 AM
OK, we'll have our fun. But I was always wondering whether repeated clubbing of my head by heavy handed beginners ( and some senseis too ) represent any possibility of head trauma type injuries known to boxers and American Football players. .. Any evidence or write-ups?
( Hoping to get - NO - or No answer )

Center - kote - Hmmm

titus
29th March 2003, 09:14 AM
Originally posted by Karaken
OK, we'll have our fun. But I was always wondering whether repeated clubbing of my head by heavy handed beginners ( and some senseis too ) represent any possibility of head trauma type injuries known to boxers and American Football players. .. Any evidence or write-ups?
( Hoping to get - NO - or No answer )
Center - kote - Hmmm

I know of a guy who got a detached retina from too many men hits in kendo. He'd been doing kendo for years in Canada and at Tokyo University. But even after that injury, I think he only had to stay out of kendo for about six months and then he was fine to go back.

Karaken
29th March 2003, 10:10 PM
Originally posted by titus


I think he only had to stay out of kendo for about six months.

Talk about perspective - only six months - Titus you must be carazy about Kendo :-)

Center cut - Men!

hamish
31st March 2003, 11:00 AM
*plug*

Keep reading the Kendo Clinic for discussions of kendo related injuries in all their glory!

Hamish

samurai999
12th April 2003, 06:07 PM
Originally posted by Karaken
OK, we'll have our fun. But I was always wondering whether repeated clubbing of my head by heavy handed beginners ( and some senseis too ) represent any possibility of head trauma type injuries known to boxers and American Football players. .. Any evidence or write-ups?
( Hoping to get - NO - or No answer )

Center - kote - Hmmm

We've had concussions. But that was because some guy would club some guy over the head with the meaty part of the shinai. Actually it is amazing that some 2dan-3dan players do that. Otherwise, nothing. They guy wanted to continue, but his wife "strongly encouraged" him to quit. Wife's some sort of a doctor so the influence was stronger.

doubissu
16th May 2003, 08:40 AM
on that note... I got a concussion last year, here's what happened: I got whacked on the left side of the head and nearly dropped. I kept going since it wasn't the first time so I thought I was ok. A couple of days later (the following practice) I received another couple of nasty shots but nothing too serious. The following week I was apparently still all right, but the morning after a practice I couldn't get up & move. I was out for a week, sleeping and unable to do anything. It really sucks.

So here's what I learned through this head injury episode:
- protect your head properly (I bought a heavy duty pad for the men)
- make sure you raise your head slightly when you're about to receive an out-of-control men
- take some aspirin
- skip practice if you've been badly hit too many times
- don't listen those who say you should "tough it out"
- don't get hit ;)

Since then I'm a BIG advocate of "extra padding" in the men. A bump on your arm is no big deal, but don't mess around with your head...

Eddy

smith
16th May 2003, 09:43 AM
Eddy - there's one REALLY important thing you forgot:

SEE A DOCTOR!

Multiple minor concussions in a short space of time (ie, less than a week) can combine to create serious brain trauma. This is a relatively recent discovery in medicine and very pertinent to your situation. It's worth talking to your doctor/sports medicine specialist about.

Even a minor concussion requires a rest of about four days before returning to training. A concussion like you experienced is a MANDATORY visit to the doctor IMHO.

You were VERY lucky you came out of this alright.

Everybody please - DO NOT SELF DIAGNOSE. If in ANY doubt - SEE A DOCTOR.

doubissu
16th May 2003, 02:54 PM
I must have been so knocked out that I forgot that I DID go to the doctor (Stanford) ! And he pointed out the same thing you just said about multiple minor concussions. On the other hand I was surprised that he said "since you didn't faint, me won't do an MRI".

Thanks for pointing it out ...

Eddy

Hai_hai
17th May 2003, 05:29 AM
Is men padding minimal because you are not supposed to strike hard?
I wasn't hitting my opponent hard enough one day during practice and my sensei told me to strike harder. I notice when I strike really hard, my opponent closes his eyes for a brief second.

Hmm, I'm hoping to get approved to get bogu within this year and then I'll spend an obscene amount of money on a diamond-encrusted men (just kidding). I don't want to find out that I am going to get head problems from it. That's the reason I quit goaltending.

Hongsermeier
17th May 2003, 06:33 AM
I gained a lot of respect for why tsuki is not allowed in the kyu division, when I was accidently stuck in the neck. I hit the floor like a ton of bricks. Had a lump in the side of my neck for a couple weeks after that.

samurai999
17th May 2003, 08:11 AM
Originally posted by Hongsermeier
I gained a lot of respect for why tsuki is not allowed in the kyu division, when I was accidently stuck in the neck. I hit the floor like a ton of bricks. Had a lump in the side of my neck for a couple weeks after that.

Hehe.. Did you get scooped Brad? I know of a couple of people (that will remain anonymous) here in Norcal that scoop. I'm sure you know who I'm talking about. :D

Tim

enpointe
10th October 2003, 12:46 AM
Practicing on the military base here, we use a racquetball court, its a decent floor, but not sprung at all.
The dojo I go to out in real Japan (as opposed to the little america of the military base) is made up of large planks set in a wooden frame. The planks are not nailed or fixed in place by anything more than the frame they sit in. The frame is then supported by what look like great big old leaf springs from 1940s truck suspensions. The floor really springs when you do fumikomi. The for an added bit of atmosphere, under the floor are several large clay pots, when you do fumikomi and the air rushes in and out of these, it makes for a very interesting rumble or roaring sound.


we make a sprung floor here in Canada. it consists of 4*4 & 2*4 3/4 inch panels, floating on 32 soft rubber cushions. the floor is ventelated to allow airflow beneath it. each panel is secured to its neighbour with an alluminum strip and the entire floor is bordered with aluminum edging to hold it together.

It works very well, and decreses strain on the shins & feet. It is portable and takes about an hour to set up, or move. It comes in an unfinished MDF or hard surface laminate or MArley covering (dance floor style). The design was created by my brother who danced professionally for the Royal Winnipeg Ballet company but the concept would work for any sport that suffers from repetetive injury to the feet.

andy
www.en-pointe.com

chidokan
18th October 2003, 06:38 AM
you can feel a MAJOR difference in a sprung floor... think thats why my legs are wrecked after slamming around on solid floors! Stamp once. If your knee explodes its not a sprung floor. :dead: I have been lucky and just got one, its great, I can actually cover the full length of the dojo in 3 cuts. If the old dojo floor was down it would take me 5....

Tim Hamilton

enpointe
18th October 2003, 06:47 AM
What size is your present Dojo?

May I ask what you're using as a sprung floor? and all the pricing particulars.
IF your not comfortable dscussing it here pelase PM me.

we want to expand our business and need some more info. :)

andy
en pointe ent.

chidokan
18th October 2003, 06:44 PM
my dojo is part of a school cum sports centre. Its an old gym that unfortunately has been split into two parts by a wall (I know because my mother was a teacher there!) so we use both rooms. Together they are about the size of a basketball area. We get it cheap at the moment as the council did the dirty on us regarding our old building! No doubt it will go up... currently paying £7.50 an hour. Thieves the lot of them. In Japan you pay nothing for all the dojos I visited, they are like community centres for sport. Obviously the government there realises that a healthy population does not need as much health care, so they more than get the money back spent on centres!!
BTW I am curious that you can think of running kendo as a business, if I did I would have gone bankrupt within a week! Theres not THAT many students about, not like karate/taekwondo!

Tim Hamilton

Yowai
20th October 2003, 04:09 AM
This is a nightmare.
Concussion = death.
If you received a concussion, never leave your house again!

Kiki
20th October 2003, 05:57 PM
This is a nightmare.
Concussion = death.
If you received a concussion, never leave your house again!

Recently I thought a raging cavity came out of no where in of one my upper molars. Turns out my teeth were perfectly fine but I did have a strained ligament about my teeth (how knew?!). Two days before the pain started we had practiced men for about an hour straight. Many people were just pounding away, no snap. :dead: Even though I was not clinching my teeth together or anything like that all the pounding was enough to cause some dental trauma. It was another four days before I could chew on that side again. I was very happy my dentist thought to ask if I might have had a blow to the head when I told him cold or hot did not bother the tooth. A lesser Dr. might have given me a root canal! Phew...
:silly:

deathbykendo
9th May 2004, 12:41 PM
This actually brings up a good point I've been thinking about. Does anyone actually train on a sprung floor? Also, how can you tell if it's sprung or not?


I've been standing watching kakarigaiko on a sprung floor, and the vibrations from everyone's fumikomi moved me up and down a little.

Kirby

deathbykendo
9th May 2004, 12:48 PM
Think Kendo is safe? Think again.

I wonder how these injury rate compares to the number of people that practice kendo in Japan?

Ask your self this, how many 60, 70, 80 year olds still play football?

Kirby

Andoru
28th August 2004, 08:28 AM
Beer keiko has probably contributed to some of the injuries :D

taganahan
28th August 2004, 10:25 AM
are there really bad sides to all other sports? i they do, i still haven't heard something bad from table tennis.

i agree that every sports has its own bad side. some are less dangerous than other while others are very dangerous. even though know that they are dangerous, we still do it for the fun of it.

~taganahan

kanyil
6th September 2004, 07:00 PM
our local community center has some rooms with sprung floors and we train there every Sunday. it's so much of an improvement over where we train on Friday nights (concrete floors) that alot of the middle aged people (whom have bad knees) have decided to only practice on Sunday.

I think the room is officially titled the "karate and judo room". The Tae Kwon Do room is fitted with some weird astro-turf look alike flooring.

Vortex
8th September 2004, 06:18 AM
We have the sprung floor at the dojo but at a tournament hosted at a highschool was my first time with a hard floor. Idiot me didnt even think about if the floor was the same or not. I started a warm up with a dojomate .. Went for men, stomped .. fell over in pain trying to keep vulgar words quiet.. Now, like he said in the "Van Wilder" movie, I 'should always check out the quality of the turf before you step out onto the field' Wont make that mistake again

Paulus
14th June 2005, 02:03 AM
The medics might be right, but all that disorders enumerated turn to nothing against the so many things that you gain from kendo. Besides, every medal has its reverse. But I would say I consider that medicine less due to story, happened to my friend. Once he had been seriously bad after trial. Doctors did miracle saving him, and said therefore that he ain't have much time to live. He tryed that time much to keep him better. And when he found kendo, it was like second breath for his organizm. He is very active player for now. The next time medics wondering he's still alive, he smiles in return. That is the way kendo is.

SkippyDaStudent
14th June 2005, 02:16 AM
I'm definitely going with the "now I know, but I'm still going to do kendo" mentality. It isn't unexpected at all that there would be accidents or medical problems, since it is very much physical. I understood that before my first practice yesterday, I even witnessed an accident where someone missed a tsuki shot and hit the other guy in the throat (don't worry, everything and everyone is fine). Physical activities sometimes create physical problems, same goes with iaido/iaijutsu.

Hai_hai
14th June 2005, 08:38 AM
Why was this old topic unnecessarily resurrected from the grave?

AleSan
14th June 2005, 09:49 PM
Hi Kendoka friends,

So ... do you want to live for ever ?:D

[Kensei 剣の聖者]
15th June 2005, 07:30 PM
Think Kendo is safe? Think again. Just cannot imagine how many people have been doing in-depth scientific research on Kendo over the last 100 years. I "accidentally" came across the National Library Medicine and come across the following articles:-






















Source:
National Center for Biotechnology Information (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/)

Just interesting to know what they are all doing in Education Universities when they are not having Kendo sessions.:rolleyes:





In other words....................................
getting hit with a stick hurts
thanks for that

mingshi
15th June 2005, 11:50 PM
Like, whenever I try to make a joke, everyone is taking me seriously.

Do I have a really strange sense of humour :tired: ??

Anjin-san
16th June 2005, 12:02 AM
No no, kensei just likes biting people.

[Kensei 剣の聖者]
16th June 2005, 05:21 AM
yeah well i guess i just dont need the worlds finest medics to tell me that geting beaten with a stick on the head is harmful

DarthIncarnate
11th July 2005, 06:16 AM
a bash on the noggin never did (much) harm.

Ever heard of the phrase knock some sense into yah? lol *ow*