ok this had compleatly nothing to do with kendo

[Moe-KendoFreak!]

hey, i just wanted to know what people think of islam and muslims, so i thought what better way to do it then this..on a forum!
just a thought...
thanks

[nebosuke]

Same thing I think about christians, jews, hindus, whatever. Most are harmless, some are fanatical, and even fewer are fanatical in a way that is harmful to themsleves or others. Doesn't matter what people believe in, just matters in how it effects the way the interact with others, as far as it concerns me.

[h2o]

You seem like a nice bunch of people. The saneness level of islam seem to be about the same as christianity. If I weren't christian myself and looked on both from the outside, I bet I wouldn't know the difference.

And no, sorry, I don't think muslims are terrorist that blow things up in the name of Allah as soon as they get the chance to ;)

[Moe-KendoFreak!]

lol, u know i make fun of alot of things I KNOW some non-muslims think of us (muslims and arabs) (and thats not why i posted this) and its kool that u think that way, but, sorry for the dumb question but what do mean by saneness?

[nodachi]

I don't care about religion, gender, ethnicity, or any of that.

If you are kind to me, I am kind to you. Gotta love the golden rule.

If you are not kind to me, I ignore you.

[toushi]

Ethnicity has no influence on character or potential. Actions of a few individuals should not be looked upon as a whole communities actions. Have courtesy and respect for all people until they choose to dishonor your kindness :)

[stephanie dee]

I don't care about religion, gender, ethnicity, or any of that.

If you are kind to me, I am kind to you. Gotta love the golden rule.

If you are not kind to me, I ignore you.

Couldn't have said it better myslef.

[ahmed61086]

Salamualakum(Peace be unto you) Moe. Dont worry, mostly everyone on this forum is cool. Watch out for beruginin though, lol. Peace.

[Mugu]

All religions promote one thing, "Peace". At least that's to me. Somehow some people took it the wrong way, peace only are for them, not for everyone else. So to me, all religions are the same. People who use the name of a religion to kill are the people will burn into the deepest part of hell if there's one. Those are the people really got nothing better to do but to think, "Let's see how I screw up my religion's reputation today!". When they're pissed at someone, don't say, "We'll Jihad you infedels in the name of Allah!!". How about just say, "You piss me off, I'll kick your ass!". What? Using the name of religion sounds more noble and righteous? Those are the people I have a problem with. Enough said.

My golden rule, "Treat me the way you want to be treated."

[drizzt]

I look at them the same way i look at all other religions.....

as long as your not a fanatic declaring some kind of holy war on me, its your life to live how you want. I dont neccesarily BELEIVVE Islam....but thats my choice.


I do however, take real exception when other religions(or atheist groups) take it upon themselves to tell me what i should ad shouldnt beleive,a and enforce it through laws.

[Ipp-on Ipp-off]

Muslims ? As long as their doing kendo no problem.
Jews ? As long as their doing kendo no problem.
Christians ? As long as their doing kendo no problem.
Hindu's ? As long as their doing kendo no problem.
Budhist ? As long as their doing kendo no problem.

Or am i being to fanatical now?

[Sinta]

Religion doesn't matter in my perspective :) It's your actions that do. Spread kindness, I will welcome you. Spread hate and I will distance myself.

As for the religion Islam itself, I lived in Indonesia for two years. I believe it has the biggest population of Muslims outside the middle east (I think?). I've met some really fantastic people there, open and willing to share their lives and culture. No hate at all.

[Hisham]

Religion doesn't matter in my perspective :) It's your actions that do. Spread kindness, I will welcome you. Spread hate and I will distance myself.


I can't agree more.

[ahmed61086]

Drizzt,

what do you mean by,

"I dont neccasarily BELIEVVE Islam...."

I dont understand what you are trying to say. Could you clarify?


Ahmed.

[Ipp-on Ipp-off]

I believe it has the biggest population of Muslims outside the middle east (I think?). It's actually the biggest Muslim population in the world.

[drizzt]

Drizzt,

what do you mean by,

"I dont neccasarily BELIEVVE Islam...."

I dont understand what you are trying to say. Could you clarify?


Ahmed.


im a christian not a muslim. I feel that muhammed was a flase profit and i dont beleive the way you do. However i dont begrudge you your right to beleive what you want to beleive, as long as im not begrudged mine...

[Spyder]

Gotta go with the majority on the board here. Race, religion,sex or ethnicity is not an issue. As long as you are a good person to yourself and others, you are fine in my books.

[kaltek]

I don't care about religion, gender, ethnicity, or any of that.

If you are kind to me, I am kind to you. Gotta love the golden rule.

If you are not kind to me, I ignore you.

I have to agree here. It doesn’t matter what religion, gender or ethnicity you have, you are as equal as everyone else in this world. We cannot point the finger at people, blaming them for terrorism acts when our country had factions that did the same thing. Some people want to do that, regardless of anything said (religion etc). All in all there are good and bad people, and things that technically divide us. Just look at the IRA, they are Irish. The Taliban, they are from afganistan/iraq. The only thing that separates them is religious beliefs and ethnic origin. At the end their motives are the same – they want to be more than equal.

[ben]

I've never posted in this forum, and hate to spoil the strong love vibe happening here, especially as a lot of my (school, not kendo) students are Muslim and fine people (recently celebrated Eid and had half my school away for a few days). However I do have a problem with Saudi Arabia and the status of women there. Are they alowed to vote? Or drive cars? I don't think so, but please, let me know if I am wrong. Also the "special" nature of the Saudi Gov't's relationship with the US is also cause for concern. Indonesia is a much better example of tolerance in a predominantly Muslim nation. Maybe like Australia, they are forced to by the multicultural nature of their country.

People I don't have a problem with. Governments, regimes, political cliques: that's another thing altogether.

b

[Moe-KendoFreak!]

first off, [wa'laikom isalam wa ra7matu allhi wa barakatuh] ahmad =D


It's actually the biggest Muslim population in the world.

well no its not :) saudi arabia is.. indonesia is the biggist outside the middle east (if u dont count pakistan as part of the middle east) and india has a big pop. too



I've never posted in this forum, and hate to spoil the strong love vibe happening here, especially as a lot of my (school, not kendo) students are Muslim and fine people (recently celebrated Eid and had half my school away for a few days). However I do have a problem with Saudi Arabia and the status of women there. Are they alowed to vote? Or drive cars? I don't think so, but please, let me know if I am wrong. Also the "special" nature of the Saudi Gov't's relationship with the US is also cause for concern. Indonesia is a much better example of tolerance in a predominantly Muslim nation. Maybe like Australia, they are forced to by the multicultural nature of their country.


weeell... saudi arabias "special" relationship wil america (the goverment) is nothin but political bla bla bla they want oil and we want money for oil bla bla... anyway the womans status in saudi is gettin better, and we dont vote around here, except for the lil stuff and im not sure if women do coz i never voted and its new here, we have majlish al shoora, sort of like the senate, i think, and they r the ones that do the decisions based on islamic law, now about women not driving, its the stupidest thing ever and there is no reason for doin it except that (and this is something alot of people dont understand,and i dont approve of) here the people of old families (tribes) have certain customs that give women no rights at all, like the idea that the woman should stay at home and not go out, and that women shouldnt have careers... etc. and these customs have NOTHING to do with islam but they themselves mix it into it, so its supposedly islamic rules... so the thing about a woman not driving is because they think of it as her getting out of the house alone, and that, to them, is totally unacceptable...the reason it bacame law was coz if the king just suddenly said women can drive and stuff there would be trouble.. so it was taken step by step... but now things are slowly changing and a new law is commin up to that women are allowed to drive, yay!



My golden rule, "Treat me the way you want to be treated."


in islam we are taught to do that exactly, we treat other people the way we would like to be treated (although some people arnt good at it hehe)


Maybe like Australia, they are forced to by the multicultural nature of their country.

umm what do u mean..?



Ethnicity has no influence on character or potential. Actions of a few individuals should not be looked upon as a whole communities actions. Have courtesy and respect for all people until they choose to dishonor your kindness :)


nicely said =D



I feel that muhammed was a flase profit and i dont beleive the way you do.


im not trying to begrudge or provoke u but what makes u think that, i mean what proves he was false to you, i thought that in the bible it was said that a prophet would come from the south of where jesus was..?

[Ipp-on Ipp-off]

well no its not :) saudi arabia is.. indonesia is the biggist outside the middle east (if u dont count pakistan as part of the middle east) and india has a big pop. too


Please check the facts
http://www.iiie.net/Intl/PopStats.html
http://www.aneki.com/muslim.html

[ahmed61086]

I dont want to offend anyone, but i feel what moe said needs to be elaborated.


Yes moe, you are correct, profet Muhammad(may peace be upon him) was mentioned many times in the bible. Jesus speaks of Muhammad in the Bible, i have read many chapters in the Bible where Muhammed is spoken of coming. So, the bible says Muhammad was a profet to come after jesus, and its was only the teachings of the church which discredits him and said that Jesus was God/son of god (depending on what sect of christianity you profess). For God sakes people, even Pope John Paul said Muhammad was a profet!!!

Now I know a lot of people are going to ask or say, "where is Muhammad mentioned in the Bible?", or "NO HE WAS NEVER MENTIONED" (If you realy want to know, pm me, and i will send you the chapters) Well, my question to you is, Have you ever read the Bible? I mean realy read it?. Well, I have, and it only reaffirmed my belief in Islam. Another little thing I want to mention. Jesus says in the Bible that he came only to reaffirm the old testament, not to create something new, so then why did people start making him a partner with god when in the ten commandments We are told to "Not put partners to god". This is of course just my opinions, based on the writings of the Bible, so dont take it the wrong way. Peace.

Ahmed.

[ahmed61086]

I just want to clarify that I am not trying to offend anyone. Jesus (Eisa, his arabic name) is the most quoted profet in the Quran and he is highly respected by all Muslims. But we believe that he was only a man and a profet, nothing more, and we believe the same about Mohammed.

I mean, if you could show me proof that Jesus was the son of god/God, or that he said this, i would gladly listen, but since the beginning of Islam, christianity has not been able to do this, so the point is moot. Peace.

Ahmed.

[Moe-KendoFreak!]

Please check the facts
http://www.iiie.net/Intl/PopStats.html
http://www.aneki.com/muslim.html

lol i thought u meant in precentage coz saudi arabia is about 100%, and its not indonesia either, the largest pop. is india based on the link, the other said indonesia but i know there r countries with more then that!


I dont want to offend anyone, but i feel what moe said needs to be elaborated.


Yes moe, you are correct, profet Muhammad(may peace be upon him) was mentioned many times in the bible. Jesus speaks of Muhammad in the Bible, i have read many chapters in the Bible where Muhammed is spoken of coming. So, the bible says Muhammad was a profet to come after jesus, and its was only the teachings of the church which discredits him and said that Jesus was God/son of god (depending on what sect of christianity you profess). For God sakes people, even Pope John Paul said Muhammad was a profet!!!

Now I know a lot of people are going to ask or say, "where is Muhammad mentioned in the Bible?", or "NO HE WAS NEVER MENTIONED" (If you realy want to know, pm me, and i will send you the chapters) Well, my question to you is, Have you ever read the Bible? I mean realy read it?. Well, I have, and it only reaffirmed my belief in Islam. Another little thing I want to mention. Jesus says in the Bible that he came only to reaffirm the old testament, not to create something new, so then why did people start making him a partner with god when in the ten commandments We are told to "Not put partners to god". This is of course just my opinions, based on the writings of the Bible, so dont take it the wrong way. Peace.

Ahmed.

hey ahmad, i wanted to go on talking but i was afraid people would be offended... but u said what was on my mind, im up for a PEACEFUL debate :D

[ahmed61086]

I dont see any reasons why this debate shouldn't still be peaceful.

[Moe-KendoFreak!]

nither do i

[ahmed61086]

So hows the avatar hunt going moe, lol.

[Moe-KendoFreak!]

well 43 so far! and i got a thread in the dojo section i want some help in too (dont worry, nothin to do with avatars) :ko:

[Sinta]

Can't we just keep the topic of religion off these boards?

ahmed and moe, I know you had only good intentions, but I can see your comments about jesus and the bible reaffirming muslim beliefs to incite future religious posts (and possibly angry posts) to defend the Christian beliefs.

Let's stick to the topic of : What people think of Islam? Instead of, why people do not believe in it? How it's connected to the christian's bible... etc.

drizzt's beliefs shouldn't be question (like how he believes Muhammed is a false prophet). do you want anyone to question your beliefs that Jesus was just a prophet and not the messiah?

There's nothing messier than two people defending their religious beliefs from one another.

[ahmed61086]

I understand where your coming from sinta. But religion is a part of life, so it is going to be discussed and probably a lot. Why does it matter if its being discussed in the flames section of a forum or in a religious place. Seriously, thats like me telling you not to post whatever you want to post in this flames section. Isnt that what this section is for, if its not, then correct me. Discussing religion should not be looked down upon, and i feel that is what you are doing, even if unintentionally. Im a very religous person, so telling me not to talk about religion when it comes up is like telling me not to breath; itll kill me. Let whoever has an opinion speak it, there is no problem with a good debate, actually quite the opposite, because everybody learns something, as long as there is no disrespect. I dont see any disrespect in this thread(at least not yet), and I know I dont plan on disrespecting anyone. So im not going to tell you not to post whatever you want to post. When someone posts something about....lets say....FSM, you dont see me telling them to not post about it, but I will have my opinion on it, and everyone is entitled to their opinion. Peace.

Ahmed.

[Moe-KendoFreak!]

Can't we just keep the topic of religion off these boards?

ahmed and moe, I know you had only good intentions, but I can see your comments about jesus and the bible reaffirming muslim beliefs to incite future religious posts (and possibly angry posts) to defend the Christian beliefs.

Let's stick to the topic of : What people think of Islam? Instead of, why people do not believe in it? How it's connected to the christian's bible... etc.

drizzt's beliefs shouldn't be question (like how he believes Muhammed is a false prophet). do you want anyone to question your beliefs that Jesus was just a prophet and not the messiah?

There's nothing messier than two people defending their religious beliefs from one another.

lol, i get what ur trying to say, and this tread wasnt intended for debate, but thats what happened.. and just so i dont get you wrong, what do u mean by jesus the messiah, i never got what u guys ment by it.. just a question and im not gonna say anything, i just wanna know..?



I understand where your coming from sinta. But religion is a part of life, so it is going to be discussed and probably a lot. Why does it matter if its being discussed in the flames section of a forum or in a religious place. Seriously, thats like me telling you not to post whatever you want to post in this flames section. Isnt that what this section is for, if its not, then correct me. Discussing religion should not be looked down upon, and i feel that is what you are doing, even if unintentionally. Im a very religous person, so telling me not to talk about religion when it comes up is like telling me not to breath; itll kill me. Let whoever has an opinion speak it, there is no problem with a good debate, actually quite the opposite, because everybody learns something, as long as there is no disrespect. I dont see any disrespect in this thread(at least not yet), and I know I dont plan on disrespecting anyone. So im not going to tell you not to post whatever you want to post. When someone posts something about....lets say....FSM, you dont see me telling them to not post about it, but I will have my opinion on it, and everyone is entitled to their opinion. Peace.


yup, i totally agree with u on that, just as long as no one enforces his beleifs!

[Anjin-san]

Has anyone read the book Rich Dad Poor Dad?

[Moe-KendoFreak!]

no but i heard of it, i hear its good :smiley:

[Sinta]

ahmed and moe, I just didn't think it was appropriate that you questioned drizzt's belief that he didn't believe in Islam. It would be as if someone questioned your own beliefs. I would be offended.

But again, I don't want to be dragged into a religious debate, just voicing my opinions where this debate will end up going. So I will respectfully bow out of this thread.

Ps. Moe: Messiah I believe means something like a deliverer. Someone who saves.

[Moe-KendoFreak!]

Ps. Moe: Messiah I believe means something like a deliverer. Someone who saves.

oooooooooooooooooooooooooh, then in islam we do beleive he is the messaiah, but diffirently, long story, if ur interested ask...

and i didnt mean to question drizzt, sorry if i offended u...

each person beleives what he beleives based on what he beleives in the first place!

[Hyaku]

hey, i just wanted to know what people think of islam and muslims, so i thought what better way to do it then this..on a forum!
just a thought...
thanks

Well it's a Kendo/Budo related forum. I realy cant think of a worst place to put it. But to take a crack at it I dont see anything wrong with any religion as long as people dont get extreme over it. I think religious spammers would into that category.

But looking at your other posts and comparing them to the serious private email you sent me about teaching HNIR. I think you have a few marbles missing from your bag and I really cant take it as serious offer. We already have professor of philolosophy who teaches Islam studies and does HNIR over your way. Maybe you could take a few tips from him on religious promotion and HNIR.

[ahmed61086]

A person should not be offended when someone askes them a question of their religion. I am not offended when someone questions my religion, because i will answer their question.

All I did was ask Drizzt a question in hope of answer. Peace.

Ahmed.

[Light Samurai]

Ps. Moe: Messiah I believe means something like a deliverer. Someone who saves.
Messaih is Hebrew, and means 'Anonited' or 'anointed one."

Christ is the greek variant.

Peace.

PS. I'm refraining from further religious talk on the subject, but I could say more. PM me if ANYONE wants to talk about the meaning of the words.

[drizzt]

A person should not be offended when someone askes them a question of their religion. I am not offended when someone questions my religion, because i will answer their question.

All I did was ask Drizzt a question in hope of answer. Peace.

Ahmed.
and I tried to deliver an answer that was clear and not open to starting a flame war. I dislike religious debates on this forum because of the small but vocal atheist sect we have that will jump in and start the "im right becasue im right" war. MY answer was meant to convey two clear points:

1. I do not beleive in Islam. I beleive, and have my own personal reasons for doing so, that Christ was the son of god, and that muhammed was a false profit. That was one question you asked, and i answered

2. that i would n begrudge anyone there right to beleive as long as they do not begrudge me mine. Im willing to debate the validity of mine, and your, beleifs in a civilised manner. I do however have very strong beleifs about defending myself and other christians if a religious sect(note the use of the word sect. It was used for a reason) attacks them due to there religion.

Im not going to have religious debate here(and no i will not be goaded this time), but i will continue this discussion elsewere. My AIM handle and MSN username are both listed in my profile, IM me if this needs to be continued (ill also respond to pm's or emails....).

[Moe-KendoFreak!]

Well it's a Kendo/Budo related forum. I realy cant think of a worst place to put it. But to take a crack at it I dont see anything wrong with any religion as long as people dont get extreme over it. I think religious spammers would into that category.

But looking at your other posts and comparing them to the serious private email you sent me about teaching HNIR. I think you have a few marbles missing from your bag and I really cant take it as serious offer. We already have professor of philolosophy who teaches Islam studies and does HNIR over your way. Maybe you could take a few tips from him on religious promotion and HNIR.

mm.... thats why i put it up in the flames section, and what do you mean i have a few marbles missing? and where can i find this professor?... and about the bad posts, i just did it once and i dont mean to do it again because im really serious about this..

p.s. if by relegious spammer u mean me, then i already said this is not spam, just a thought...



and I tried to deliver an answer that was clear and not open to starting a flame war. I dislike religious debates on this forum because of the small but vocal atheist sect we have that will jump in and start the "im right becasue im right" war. MY answer was meant to convey two clear points:

1. I do not beleive in Islam. I beleive, and have my own personal reasons for doing so, that Christ was the son of god, and that muhammed was a false profit. That was one question you asked, and i answered

2. that i would n begrudge anyone there right to beleive as long as they do not begrudge me mine. Im willing to debate the validity of mine, and your, beleifs in a civilised manner. I do however have very strong beleifs about defending myself and other christians if a religious sect(note the use of the word sect. It was used for a reason) attacks them due to there religion.

Im not going to have religious debate here(and no i will not be goaded this time), but i will continue this discussion elsewere. My AIM handle and MSN username are both listed in my profile, IM me if this needs to be continued (ill also respond to pm's or emails....).


well i understand, and lets close the subject here.. i dont want more trouble

[drizzt]

Wasnt aimed at you moe(not the last part anyway)

you avent been here logn enough to have seen the war that erupted over the summer.....

[Moe-KendoFreak!]

oh.. kool:lick:

[Mugu]

p.s. if by relegious spammer u mean me, then i already said this is not spam, just a thought...

Sorry Moe, I'm with Hyaku sensei here. You already have another thread on the lounge similar to this. Cross posting is spam, therefore, you're considered a spammer. Also, if you don't remember yourself spamming the hell outta every thread to get your avatar, that's also call Spamming. Though, you have apoligized for it so the only thing I can say, don't start another one...

[Moe-KendoFreak!]

the other one, i dont remember, and i didnt remember anything about it until some one revived it, i posted it back when the kendo in iran story was first page, remember? so please get your facts streight before telling me im a spammer (the avatar thing is spam, i get it), and another thing, they are'nt the same, one talks about bowing, and this one i was just asking what people think, and thats NOT the same :wink:, anyway im only posting kendo related stuff from now on...:robot:

[Mugu]

the other one, i dont remember, and i didnt remember anything about it until some one revived it, i posted it back when the kendo in iran story was first page, remember? so please get your facts streight before telling me im a spammer (the avatar thing is spam, i get it), and another thing, they are'nt the same, one talks about bowing, and this one i was just asking what people think, and thats NOT the same :wink:, anyway im only posting kendo related stuff from now on...:robot:
Both ended up talking about religions, so tell me the difference. This is why they're the same, you asked about bowing in a religioius way. And this one is plainly asking about religion. Both threads ended up arguing the same shit over and over again. Whose god is the coolest almost... all I said was just stop this kind of none sense. Like someone said, if someone wishes to know more about Islam or Muslim, PM each other on your views. I don't discriminate, I suggest that because there are someone out there has a different view and they will probably be offended by your views. Then the war will never ends...

If you're bored, do some suburi or ask some other questions such as "how do I get whack harder by a shinai so I can think again". I'm surprise I still haven't left you any bad mark after quite a few have done so. I tried to say things in the nicest way possible. You really don't want me to lose my temper here and I'll swear to my size 38 shinai, I can get very nasty.

[T.Lee]

anyway im only posting kendo related stuff from now on...:robot:

praise allah!

[Sepiraph]

Has anyone read the book Rich Dad Poor Dad?

Yes, I have and what was your point?

[Anjin-san]

Characteristics which set the early New Orleans style apart from the ragtime music played elsewhere included freer rhythmic improvisation. Ragtime musicians elsewhere would "rag" a tune by giving a syncopated rhythm and playing a note twice (at half the time value), while the New Orleans style used more intricate rhythmic improvisation often placing notes far from the implied beat (compare, for example, the piano rolls (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piano_roll) of Jelly Roll Morton (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jelly_Roll_Morton) with those of Scott Joplin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Joplin)). The New Orleans style players also adopted much of the vocabulary of the blues, including bent and blue notes and instrumental "growls" and smears otherwise not used on European instruments.

[Moe-KendoFreak!]

forgive me for this post but this is getting personal.

ill take this step by step...


Both ended up talking about religions, so tell me the difference. This is why they're the same, you asked about bowing in a religioius way. And this one is plainly asking about religion. Both threads ended up arguing the same shit over and over again. Whose god is the coolest almost... all I said was just stop this kind of none sense. Like someone said, if someone wishes to know more about Islam or Muslim, PM each other on your views. I don't discriminate, I suggest that because there are someone out there has a different view and they will probably be offended by your views. Then the war will never ends...

listen up coz this is the last time im talking back. first, even though both ended up talking about religeon, it was not my intention at all for this to be some sort of debate, the one about bowing was just a little confusion, and this one is nothing but a question as to what people from diffirent think of islam, and i posted it in the flames section for that, and not to critisize or question (except for drizzt which i didnt mean to offend btw), just to nkow diffirent points of view... and im not tring to convert anyone if thats what your thinking! and my views dont talk about other religeons, i asked stuff like the holy trinity thing, but that was just because i really wanted to know what it meant.




If you're bored, do some suburi or ask some other questions such as "how do I get whack harder by a shinai so I can think again". I'm surprise I still haven't left you any bad mark after quite a few have done so. I tried to say things in the nicest way possible. You really don't want me to lose my temper here and I'll swear to my size 38 shinai, I can get very nasty.


well i cant do suburi, and i dont think i offended you for you to talk to me like this.. and please dont threaten me, ur getting personal.. and thanks for not giving me a bad mark btw.



Quote:
Originally Posted by Moe-KendoFreak!
anyway im only posting kendo related stuff from now on...:robot:


praise allah!


:dead:

[Mugu]

listen up coz this is the last time im talking back. first, even though both ended up talking about religeon, it was not my intention at all for this to be some sort of debate, the one about bowing was just a little confusion, and this one is nothing but a question as to what people from diffirent think of islam, and i posted it in the flames section for that, and not to critisize or question (except for drizzt which i didnt mean to offend btw), just to nkow diffirent points of view... and im not tring to convert anyone if thats what your thinking! and my views dont talk about other religeons, i asked stuff like the holy trinity thing, but that was just because i really wanted to know what it meant.


Last I checked, this is Kendo World, not Religious Word, or I didn't get the memo... Look I meant it in a way that this kind of stuff should be PM, it is pretty personal. I don't mean that you're trying to convert people either. I meant just in general, some people will get offended. Like I said in the other post, no matter how peaceful you think this kind of discussion is, it WILL ended up ugly. I did not mean to offend you and you're probably a few people who didn't get my sarcasm and you seem to not get my "I swear to my size 38 shinai" part. You seem to be an okay guy and I have nothing against you that's why you still don't get a bad mark from me and because you're brave enough to apologize for your mistakes unlike many trolls. Asking is great, learn new things, but we're not Prophets, we're kendoka. We can't tell you much about the Holy Trinity thing. I'm sure your local Mosque (spelling?) can tell you more about that. We can probably tell you the best movie out there, but not something telling one how to live his/her life. For the last time, I meant no offense. I will apologize if I had.

[Moe-KendoFreak!]

its kool dude, i guess i didnt get what you meant, and theres no need for an apology :D. Aaaanyway this whole thing should be syopped now, and please no one put anything up on this thread anymore, if u have something to say PM or IM me...

thanks :smiley:

[ahmed61086]

I just want everyone to know......




















I am trying to convert you ;).

[Anjin-san]

And really, how can you threaten someone online? Ooooh I'm going to get nasty! Watch out or I might start writing in CAPS. You've been WARNED!!

[Moe-KendoFreak!]

lol :silly:

[ahmed61086]

For all those who do not understand the fundamentals of Islam. Heres a Link to a brief summary (takes like 30 seconds to read), after reading this, I was suprised at how good the main Idea was portrayed in such a small amount of writing. Here it is,

http://www.islam.com/introislam.htm


I am posting this link not to prolong this thead but to actually shorten it, this way Me and Moe wont have to try and explain anything. Cheers.

Ahmed.

[Mugu]

its kool dude

I'm a dudette, now you offend me :D j/k

[Moe-KendoFreak!]

oh, sorry dudette! :P

btw ahmad, kool site :D

[drizzt]

Moe, amhed, lemme tell you this now. YOU CANT WIN. Just let the thread die.....as much as its tempting to reply, stop now.It only gets worse from here.

[ahmed61086]

I just need a drag man....just one drag -scracthing everywhere while speaking-............

[Moe-KendoFreak!]

oh drizzt, please, i just complimented ahmed on the site, i liked it for real, and were not a team bent on turning this forum into an islamic training ground, someone already said if u want to know about something just go to it yourself, and i already said we should stop posting anything here coz it will be all out war, and i dont want that.
and were not trying to win anything dude, cool down... honestly lets just stop... im going to study now, bye

[don quixote]

drizzt, what are you afraid of? Does it really bother you that much if people talk about other religions than your own particular interpretation of christianity? What do you think they are trying to win?
In general, I don't get why some of you are so afraid of religious discussions. They needn't turn bad you know, so long as people have the kind of friendly attitude shown by moe and ahmed, and most of the others in this thread.
Personally my only quarrel with Islam is the negative view of beer and pork, which I would not live without :rolleyes:
The russian prince who first decided to abandon the old heathen gods decided on converting to christianity instead of islam for this very reason :D
He was as you may know of scandinavian descent.

[ahmed61086]

Well, we have a negative view of pork and alchohol, but I believe it is absolutely justified, and I also believe that if a person realy look closely,(and when i say person, i mean anyone) you will see the justification: Alchohols makes people act stupid(like kill themselves and other people with their cares), and pork is dirty(did you know pigs sweat their own urine). Its as simple as that, but you can make it more complicated if you like. Peace.

Ahmed.

P.S. And dont you think it is pretty sad(and shallow) if a person denies what they believe to be the truth because they dont want to stop eating pork and drinking alchohol.

[Light Samurai]

Let's just stop here.

Really. If anyone posts anything else mean or rude, I WILL report the post. Let this die.

With that in mind, let's continue together in PEACE, LOVE, and HARMONY?

For the ISLAMIC people here: Allah is the MERCIFUL, Abounding in LOVE, and we are to be in HARMONY with each other, and repsect each other.

For the JEWISH: Adonai would want you to be good to the Sons of Ishmael, for they were once your Brothers. Treat them well.

For the CHRISTIANS: The Lord and Messiah, Christ, would want you to Love each other has God has loved you, and to not force your religion on others. God controls man, and man does not control man.

For the CONFUCIANS: Serving society is better, and as society is a people, so we msut nuture it, and allow it to grow, and to not cause ruptures.

For the BUDDHISTS, JAINS, and SIKHS: This world is Emphereal, transiant, and full of suffering. Allow people to practice THEIR faith with care, for their God/Deva will help them, and they may gain a higher Rebirth, and then hear the Dharma.

For the SHINTOISTS, and Other Japanese Religion: Serving family, even if it is a Kendo website, they are still fellow marital artists beyond their beleif, let us strive to continue.

For AGNOSTICS and ATHEISTS: Do what thou wilt, but help others - for you should leave a lasting impression on this world to make it better. You only have one chance.

For WICCANS: The Lord and Lady abide together, in Harmony, so abide with Harmony, love, and caring with your fellow men and women.

Hopefully this post has resolved alot of issues, and sorry oif I missed religions such as Zorastronism, which I know little about.

Peace, in the name of the GOD AMENOMNIKUNASHI, And the Spirit of Izu and Mizu.

[Hank]

Let's just stop here.

Really. If anyone posts anything else mean or rude, I WILL report the post. Let this die.This is the flames section buddy. No one forces anyone to read or post here. If you find that you are oversensitive to things that are said in the flames section, please don't read flames. Everyone will be happier.

Hank.

[LNGUYEN]

Let's just stop here.

Really. If anyone posts anything else mean or rude, I WILL report the post. Let this die.

With that in mind, let's continue together in PEACE, LOVE, and HARMONY?

For the ISLAMIC people here: Allah is the MERCIFUL, Abounding in LOVE, and we are to be in HARMONY with each other, and repsect each other.

For the JEWISH: Adonai would want you to be good to the Sons of Ishmael, for they were once your Brothers. Treat them well.

For the CHRISTIANS: The Lord and Messiah, Christ, would want you to Love each other has God has loved you, and to not force your religion on others. God controls man, and man does not control man.

For the CONFUCIANS: Serving society is better, and as society is a people, so we msut nuture it, and allow it to grow, and to not cause ruptures.

For the BUDDHISTS, JAINS, and SIKHS: This world is Emphereal, transiant, and full of suffering. Allow people to practice THEIR faith with care, for their God/Deva will help them, and they may gain a higher Rebirth, and then hear the Dharma.

For the SHINTOISTS, and Other Japanese Religion: Serving family, even if it is a Kendo website, they are still fellow marital artists beyond their beleif, let us strive to continue.

For AGNOSTICS and ATHEISTS: Do what thou wilt, but help others - for you should leave a lasting impression on this world to make it better. You only have one chance.

For WICCANS: The Lord and Lady abide together, in Harmony, so abide with Harmony, love, and caring with your fellow men and women.

Hopefully this post has resolved alot of issues, and sorry oif I missed religions such as Zorastronism, which I know little about.

Peace, in the name of the GOD AMENOMNIKUNASHI, And the Spirit of Izu and Mizu.

For Kendoka: Go and do more suburi

And if someone ask me why not join the debate, here is the answer, don't make me start. I am pissing off enough.

[T.Lee]

hakuna matata my brother! and a maholo to you!

[Light Samurai]

This is the flames section buddy. No one forces anyone to read or post here. If you find that you are oversensitive to things that are said in the flames section, please don't read flames. Everyone will be happier.

Hank.
But this religious talk is TOO MUCH, and people WILL be hurt by it, and we all know where it is going. I am NOT over-senstive to the things being said - I just want to promote peace and harmony between members. This in mind, I gave you a fair warning to NOT continue to post here, and to let the thread die. I'll contemplate reporting your post or not in the meantime.

Peace.

[don quixote]

Really. If anyone posts anything else mean or rude, I WILL report the post. ........
Hopefully this post has resolved alot of issues
.......

Take it easy! Who was rude? So far everybody has behaved very nicely, despite tendencies toward paranoia in certain posts like yours. Don't bother to try and solve a nonexistent problem.
And, I hate to be blunt, but there is no need to pretend that you can tell us the essetial message of virutally every religion in a post in a forum. I would rather learn about such things from people who hold these beliefs themselves. I actually find your post arrogant and rude.

Ahmed, I have to disagree slightly. I don't think one can rationally explain why pork should be haram, pigs are not particularily dirty or unhealthy. Goats, for instance, eat anything but are considered all right. However, if one believes that God would disapprove of eating pork, does one need an explaination or another reason?

When it comes to alcohol, I agree that it is unhealthy and can cause a lot of problems. Ideally one should not use any intoxicant at all, however, alcoholic drinks have been a part of our culture for thousands of years, and used in moderation they will not at all make people kill each other or themselves any more than coffee or tea will. This we know from personal experience.

Also, obviously, if I myself believed God forbade alcohol and pork I would not taste it, but I believe otherwise personally. I agree the russian prince acted like a hypocrite and a weak man since according to the story he would have chosen Islam but for the rule forbidding alcohol. So he rejected what he believed to be true because he and the rest of the people would not give up part of their culture.

[Mark.T]

Religion doesn't kill, people do..

[Light Samurai]

Take it easy! Who was rude? So far everybody has behaved very nicely, despite tendencies toward paranoia in certain posts like yours. Don't bother to try and solve a nonexistent problem.
And, I hate to be blunt, but there is no need to pretend that you can tell us the essetial message of virutally every religion in a post in a forum. I would rather learn about such things from people who hold these beliefs themselves. I actually find your post arrogant and rude.
Did you ever wonder if I find your posts arrogant and rude as well?

IMO, I'm just trying to create HARMONY. And by doing so, I think the goal of all religions is peace and harmony, and so they all share that in common - Hence I can *basically* outline MOST religions, including Satanism.

If you'd like, I can basically say, since you view yourself as God, you should have Harmony deep within you, and Chaos portruding on the outside. All outside chaos has order on the inside.

Peace.

[LNGUYEN]

Some one please read this and tell me it is totally wrong
http://www.islamundressed.com

[Hank]

But this religious talk is TOO MUCH, and people WILL be hurt by it, and we all know where it is going. I am NOT over-senstive to the things being said - I just want to promote peace and harmony between members. This in mind, I gave you a fair warning to NOT continue to post here, and to let the thread die. I'll contemplate reporting your post or not in the meantime.

Peace.Where is that "words words words" smiley when you really need it.

Hank.

[Moe-KendoFreak!]

Take it easy! Who was rude? So far everybody has behaved very nicely, despite tendencies toward paranoia in certain posts like yours. Don't bother to try and solve a nonexistent problem.
And, I hate to be blunt, but there is no need to pretend that you can tell us the essetial message of virutally every religion in a post in a forum. I would rather learn about such things from people who hold these beliefs themselves. I actually find your post arrogant and rude.

Ahmed, I have to disagree slightly. I don't think one can rationally explain why pork should be haram, pigs are not particularily dirty or unhealthy. Goats, for instance, eat anything but are considered all right. However, if one believes that God would disapprove of eating pork, does one need an explaination or another reason?

When it comes to alcohol, I agree that it is unhealthy and can cause a lot of problems. Ideally one should not use any intoxicant at all, however, alcoholic drinks have been a part of our culture for thousands of years, and used in moderation they will not at all make people kill each other or themselves any more than coffee or tea will. This we know from personal experience.

Also, obviously, if I myself believed God forbade alcohol and pork I would not taste it, but I believe otherwise personally. I agree the russian prince acted like a hypocrite and a weak man since according to the story he would have chosen Islam but for the rule forbidding alcohol. So he rejected what he believed to be true because he and the rest of the people would not give up part of their culture.

:D well, i dont beleive that if god forbade anything there should be a reason... but for most eaten things its because they are unhealthy... but it is also forbidden in islam to eat anything with claws and such, meat eaters i mean, other then sea food, and that i do not know any reason for it, and alot of things are just tests... as for alchohol, just to let you know, there are muslims that drink (same with smoking, alot of muslims smoke even though it is haram), not that its a good thing, and the prince could have been a muslim and still drink (although god would'nt like it, and he might roast for a lil while!) :D
and overuse of anything is bad, not just alchohol...

and light samurai, i aprechiate(sp?) ur efforts to crate harmoney, its kool :)

[pgsmith]

Some one please read this and tell me it is totally wrong
I don't think I want to read that whole thing, but I can tell you right away that it is biased and attempting to push the author's own agenda despite the fact that the author states that it is objective. For example, here is a very telling statement ...

This evaluation will make an attempt to be complete, logical, fair, with any judgment compared only to universal standards of human civil behavior now considered acceptable to modern societies.
The society that Mohammed lived in was nothing like today's society. There were vastly different moral standards at that time. You could hold up the most virtuous man alive in that period and he would still suffer unfavorably in comparison to modern society's standards. Of course, this is a common literary and debating trick. However, many people will jump right past that as it is not something that will stand out in a person's conciousness. Always read something that says "fair and unbiased" with a highly critical eye. It is usually a good giveaway that the author will try their best to convince the reader of whatever their viewpoint happens to be.

[Moe-KendoFreak!]

Some one please read this and tell me it is totally wrong
http://www.islamundressed.com

my GOD! this is just yet another very stupid attempt to make islam look bad LMAO...! if u want to believe it go ahead, but hear this baby: islam is the fastest growing relegion right now, and no matter what you or anyone does you wont fuck it up my friend, and if u dont like that then go bye-bye...

i didnt want things to get ugly but you forced me pal, u truely offended me and any other muslim with ur pathetic "book"... books (and the people who wrote them, called "mustashriqeen") of this type have been out since about 1000 ad, so dont bullshit with me:cool2:, they are people that learn as much as they can about us and then put everything to look bad, and no matter how may books they publish, and how much they ruin out picture, it didnt stop more people (some of those people were mustashriqeen) to become muslims because of the simple truth in it... this message is meant specificly for nguyin, if anyone was offended other then him i am terribly sorry...

thank you

[LNGUYEN]

my GOD! this is just yet another very stupid attempt to make islam look bad LMAO...! if u want to believe it go ahead, but hear this baby: islam is the fastest growing relegion right now, and no matter what you or anyone does you wont fuck it up my friend, and if u dont like that then go bye-bye...

i didnt want things to get ugly but you forced me pal, u truely offended me and any other muslim with ur pathetic "book"... books (and the people who wrote them, called "mustashriqeen") of this type have been out since about 1000 ad, so dont bullshit with me:cool2:, they are people that learn as much as they can about us and then put everything to look bad, and no matter how may books they publish, and how much they ruin out picture, it didnt stop more people (some of those people were mustashriqeen) to become muslims because of the simple truth in it... this message is meant specificly for nguyin, if anyone was offended other then him i am terribly sorry...

thank you

Did you answer my question? Is it totally wrong?

[Moe-KendoFreak!]

Did you answer my question? Is it totally wrong?

hehe, i just got carried away i forgot to answer... YES it is totally wrong my friend, i've read enough things like it to know, and i added it to my favorites to read the whole thing, so buzz off!

[Anjin-san]

In response to LNGUYEN

It's a difficult question. The thing about religion is that the key points are so ambiguous and metaphorical that you can spin them into any argument you want.

For example my dear old mum, simply won't accept sharia law when it comes to inheritance, me and my sister get equal share. I'm not so fussed about it but rules by islam are that i as a son get a bigger share. Her argument is it was a different time back then where I would have an obligation to take care of all the unmarried women in the family. Thats no longer the case.

Or say for example, talk to some shia people and they may tell you polygamy is ok. The prophet had 4 wives, so we can. The rules are different depending on the person you talk to, the day of the week, the sect of islam. I've actually heard some absolutely absurd bending of the rules to allow for pre-marital relations. Even the alcohol rule is actually referring to 'any intoxicating substance' including smoking, drinking, and... sniffing glue or anything. Yet a lot of arabs smoke shisha, the upper classes in pakistan drink alchohol, both maintain that they're practicing muslims.

In the same vain, you can remember things like the 5 pillars of islam include ramadan and zakat (obligatory charity). You can consider that under arab rule, people of other abrahamic religions were not persecuted and all the other nice things about islam and talk about how great it is.

On the other hand you can think about all the stuff in the above article, about all the terrorists and suicide bombers and saladin executing all the prisoners of war and how islam was spread by the sword and think about all that bad stuff and hate islam.

So to answer your question, it is true if you want it to be.

[LNGUYEN]

And also, What do I do to offense you? Did I say anything? I didn't write that, I just asked is it wrong or not. Everyforum I went, whenever some Muslim member join, there were always some talk about how peaceful, gracious, ... about Islam. Can you keep your religions to yourself and not bring it out. Have you seen any Christian, Budhist, or any other member with different religions praise their religions on Kendo forum?

I haven't been convinced that Islam is great yet. I haven't seen much of Muslim trying to help others outside of their religions. If you know what I don't, please point me to those nonprofit organizations that help the unfortunated around the World disregard of their religions. In Christian, I heard about someone like Mother Theresa who helped the poor and unwanted over India for her whole life. Who did you have?

Many of the head of Islam always try to get political power. For me, I know that religions and politicals don't mix well. Some other imnans, they tried to teach the extreme that lead to many bloodshed and blamed that is God's way. Why are there so many restrictions and purnishment? Example is women had to cover themselves. So it is to avoid adultery, then whoever committed it aren't very strong in faith. Is that a woman fault, if not,then why she has to cover herself.

Christian, Budhist, and many others religion refined themselves over time. Islam hadn't done very much so.

I am just asking question and you started to blame me to offense you and started to used some ugly words. Is that Islam? You keep writing "Peace" and you already want to get ugly when some one didn't share your belief. Is that why the Dutch film director got killed? If Islam so peacefull, why are you mad so easily, instead of explain to me why I am wrong.

[Paikea]

And also, What do I do to offense you? Did I say anything? I didn't write that, I just asked is it wrong or not. Everyforum I went, whenever some Muslim member join, there were always some talk about how peaceful, gracious, ... about Islam. Can you keep your religions to yourself and not bring it out. Have you seen any Christian, Budhist, or any other member with different religions praise their religions on Kendo forum?Well...there was that Da'Quotah nut - and Moe is heading for a ban for the same reasons.

[Anjin-san]

Hey this is an equal opportunities flame section. Berugijin is our resident atheismical extremist.

[Paikea]

Hey this is an equal opportunities flame section. Berugijin is our resident atheismical extremist.Yeah, but he's not keeping the flame material in the flames section...I'm not asking that Moe be banned (yet) - I'm saying that he looks to be headed that way because he can't control his outbursts.

For example, dissing Buddhism in this forum isn't the brightest thing I've ever seen. He's going to have to get past that if he wants to be a real live kendoka someday...

[Moe-KendoFreak!]

And also, What do I do to offense you? Did I say anything? I didn't write that, I just asked is it wrong or not. Everyforum I went, whenever some Muslim member join, there were always some talk about how peaceful, gracious, ... about Islam. Can you keep your religions to yourself and not bring it out. Have you seen any Christian, Budhist, or any other member with different religions praise their religions on Kendo forum?

I haven't been convinced that Islam is great yet. I haven't seen much of Muslim trying to help others outside of their religions. If you know what I don't, please point me to those nonprofit organizations that help the unfortunated around the World disregard of their religions. In Christian, I heard about someone like Mother Theresa who helped the poor and unwanted over India for her whole life. Who did you have?

Many of the head of Islam always try to get political power. For me, I know that religions and politicals don't mix well. Some other imnans, they tried to teach the extreme that lead to many bloodshed and blamed that is God's way. Why are there so many restrictions and purnishment? Example is women had to cover themselves. So it is to avoid adultery, then whoever committed it aren't very strong in faith. Is that a woman fault, if not,then why she has to cover herself.

Christian, Budhist, and many others religion refined themselves over time. Islam hadn't done very much so.

I am just asking question and you started to blame me to offense you and started to used some ugly words. Is that Islam? You keep writing "Peace" and you already want to get ugly when some one didn't share your belief. Is that why the Dutch film director got killed? If Islam so peacefull, why are you mad so easily, instead of explain to me why I am wrong.

my friend, i never said other religions arent peaceful, and i didnt start the talk over religion and stuff, i asked for peoples opinions and thats it, and you are the one looking for trouble, im not going to answer anything and i know ur gonna use that as a way to say i have no proof, but im just too tired and if you want to talk to me i can give you my number and we can settle this by voiced words as it would be much easier for me to talk.. thanks


and another thing, i respect other peoples religions, its their decision, but why is it only me ur talking about what about nguyin, just when i was about to close things up he comes dissing islam

[Moe-KendoFreak!]

my god! why is everyone misunderstanding! my main goal here was to learn about kendo, sure i posted some things that have nothing to do with it, buut thats what flames sections are for right?

[Paikea]

my god! why is everyone misunderstanding! my main goal here was to learn about kendo, sure i posted some things that have nothing to do with it, buut thats what flames sections are for right?Moe, go back and read your 71 posts. How many are JSA-related? How many are religious proselytising? How many show even a hint of thought or self-research behind them (hint: Hyoho Niten Ryu)? How many are just pure crap?

You're acting like a bad houseguest, who after being invited into a home, farts loudly, kicks the family pet, leers at the daughters and then asks "who, me?".

[pgsmith]

my god! why is everyone misunderstanding! my main goal here was to learn about kendo, sure i posted some things that have nothing to do with it, buut thats what flames sections are for right?
Perhaps everyone is NOT misunderstanding. Have you stopped to consider that maybe you have some serious problems that you should take care of? Take a good look at what you wrote in response to LNGUYEN's simply asked question and see if you can see why you irritate the snot out of people!

my GOD! this is just yet another very stupid attempt to make islam look bad LMAO...! if u want to believe it go ahead, but hear this baby: islam is the fastest growing relegion right now, and no matter what you or anyone does you wont fuck it up my friend, and if u dont like that then go bye-bye...

Personally, I'm with Perry in that you're treading the edge of having people ask to get you booted. If you're truly interested in kendo, I suggest you go back and start reading your way through all of the old threads, and just give up posting anything for a while. Of course, feel free to ignore advice and carry on the way you're going. I'll happily join the lynch mob! :)

[Hisham]

LNGUYEN, Paikea gave you a good advice in the other thread, you live in the US which gives you access to many different communities and hands on information. Try to exploit this advantage to broaden your sight. I did so when i used to live in Canada.

Moe take a look at how pgsmith answered LNGUYEN's question (and it was just a question), you should exerce more self control and not dirty your mouth, as all kenshi, i was told by my teacher that the kensen (pointy end of the shinai) shows one's spirit, the same goes for how one behaves or talk to others whatever the situation maybe.

Edit: Darn it, i guess i'm the slowest poster of this board.

[Moe-KendoFreak!]

hey i just forgot about the Hyoho thing OK?

[Light Samurai]

Hey all, again.

He HAS continued to expound on Islam. Do you see NOW why I asked why the thread should of stopped there?

Well, maybe people will listen a little more... Or maybe not.

Peace.

[Paikea]

LNGUYEN, Paikea gave you a good advice in the other thread, you live in the US which gives you access to many different communities and hands on information. Try to exploit this advantage to broaden your sight. I did so when i used to live in Canada.

Moe take a look at how pgsmith answered LNGUYEN's question (and it was just a question), you should exerce more self control and not dirty your mouth, as all kenshi, i was told by my teacher that the kensen (pointy end of the shinai) shows one's spirit, the same goes for how one behaves or talk to others whatever the situation maybe.

Edit: Darn it, i guess i'm the slowest poster of this board.I don't have to do any conversions in my head before I type. I envy those of you who can and do...

[Moe-KendoFreak!]

NGUYENs question was offending, because he brings a book based on lies and tries to make islam look bad



And also, What do I do to offense you? Did I say anything? I didn't write that, I just asked is it wrong or not. Everyforum I went, whenever some Muslim member join, there were always some talk about how peaceful, gracious, ... about Islam. Can you keep your religions to yourself and not bring it out. Have you seen any Christian, Budhist, or any other member with different religions praise their religions on Kendo forum?

I haven't been convinced that Islam is great yet. I haven't seen much of Muslim trying to help others outside of their religions. If you know what I don't, please point me to those nonprofit organizations that help the unfortunated around the World disregard of their religions. In Christian, I heard about someone like Mother Theresa who helped the poor and unwanted over India for her whole life. Who did you have?

Many of the head of Islam always try to get political power. For me, I know that religions and politicals don't mix well. Some other imnans, they tried to teach the extreme that lead to many bloodshed and blamed that is God's way. Why are there so many restrictions and purnishment? Example is women had to cover themselves. So it is to avoid adultery, then whoever committed it aren't very strong in faith. Is that a woman fault, if not,then why she has to cover herself.

Christian, Budhist, and many others religion refined themselves over time. Islam hadn't done very much so.

I am just asking question and you started to blame me to offense you and started to used some ugly words. Is that Islam? You keep writing "Peace" and you already want to get ugly when some one didn't share your belief. Is that why the Dutch film director got killed? If Islam so peacefull, why are you mad so easily, instead of explain to me why I am wrong.

[Paikea]

Hey all, again.

He HAS continued to expound on Islam. Do you see NOW why I asked why the thread should of stopped there?

Well, maybe people will listen a little more... Or maybe not.

Peace.Oops...logical error. You are no better - the same advice about re-reading your posting activity applies equally to you.

[Paikea]

hey i just forgot about the Hyoho thing OK?That's OK, you have us to remember it for you.

[Moe-KendoFreak!]

IM GETTING SICK OF THIS!! LETS STOP PLEEEEEEAAAASSSEEEE!!! i already said if u got sumthin to tell me PM ME!!!! please STOP STOP STOP STOP STOP STOP!!!!!!!

thank you, and im not answering anything else on this thread, goodbye...



That's OK, you have us to remember it for you.


thanks paikea

[Paikea]

IM GETTING SICK OF THIS!! LETS STOP PLEEEEEEAAAASSSEEEE!!! i already said if u got sumthin to tell me PM ME!!!! please STOP STOP STOP STOP STOP STOP!!!!!!!

thank you, and im not answering anything else on this thread, goodbye...
You are embarrassing yourself.


thanks paikeaUm, yeah. "You're welcome"? The point there is that through ignorant exuberance, you managed to offend one of the better people here and while you may have put it out of your mind, not everyone will.

Take Hisham's advice, read up on your new obsession, try to get into a real kendo class (or, whatever you can find) and then come back when you have some basis to discuss what you have experienced.

[Moe-KendoFreak!]

dude, i couldnt, coz theres nothing here!

[Light Samurai]

Looks like I turn out to be more right every hour. -sigh-

Peace.

[Kingofmyrrh]

Looks like I turn out to be more right every hour. -sigh-

Peace.
Looks like you turn out to be less welcome here every hour. -sigh-

[Paikea]

Looks like I turn out to be more right every hour. -sigh-

Peace.Remember Ceasar, thou art mortal.

[Kaoru]

ALL of you- Stop this fighting please. This is solving nothing.

Moe-san, ignore Lan-san and stop yelling at him and getting mad at others. Lan-san, stop complaining about Islam. This is stupid! BOTH of you need a time out.

One more peep about Islam or Christianity and I'll see if I can't get this thread locked.

Kendo should bring people together, not seperate them!

Lan-san and Moe-san:
You will do 10,000 katate suburi(Lefted handed suburi) and sit in seiza on a wood floor for 2 hours for causing a pointless fight to break out.

For the rest of you for joining in on the side and allowing this to continue? 10,000 men suburi.

This may be the flames section, but it does NOT mean that you have to be rude to each other!

Hajime!! :angry:

Kaoru

[ahmed61086]

I declare JIHAD!!!!! The infidels must DIE!!!!;)

[T.Lee]

who's fighting? kaoru, why are you fighting? you should stop fighting.

[Paikea]

I declare JIHAD!!!!! The infidels must DIE!!!!;)Kafir, Ahmed. Keep in context.

[ahmed61086]

Ummm, I might be stupid or something, but, I realy dont understand what you just said. Explain?

[Paikea]

Ummm, I might be stupid or something, but, I realy dont understand what you just said. Explain?

Main Entry: Kaf·fir
Variant(s): or Kaf·ir
Function: noun
Etymology: Arabic kAfir infidel

[Kaoru]

who's fighting? kaoru, why are you fighting? you should stop fighting.

Nawww... I just got sick of the never ending argument(Whatever it is) that will never be won by either side. :rolleyes:

:)

Kaoru

[Kaoru]

Main Entry: Kaf·fir
Variant(s): or Kaf·ir
Function: noun
Etymology: Arabic kAfir infidel

I must be stupid too, because I still don't get what you meant... Poor me... hahaha

Kaoru

[Paikea]

I must be stupid too, because I still don't get what you meant... Poor me... hahaha

KaoruLordy...OK, I'll go slow.

If we're doing Jihad the Kafir must die. Cultural and linguistic continuity.

[Kaoru]

Lordy...OK, I'll go slow.

If we're doing Jihad the Kafir must die. Cultural and linguistic continuity.

Ahahaha, That first bit made me laugh! :D I get it now! Woohoo!! :D
Thank you very much.

I get the joke!! ROTFL!

Kaoru

[ahmed61086]

I thought that is what you meant. lol. Well then, i guess.....The KAFIR MUST DIE!!!!

[Moe-KendoFreak!]

If we're doing Jihad the Kafir must die. Cultural and linguistic continuity.

just for the sake of clarity, and nothing else, jihad isnt only done by "fighting the kofar" (kofar = plural of kafir), it can be peaceful too :)

Mohammad

p.s. btw when i said "nothing here" i meant here in saudi

[Moe-KendoFreak!]

ALL of you- Stop this fighting please. This is solving nothing.

Moe-san, ignore Lan-san and stop yelling at him and getting mad at others. Lan-san, stop complaining about Islam. This is stupid! BOTH of you need a time out.

One more peep about Islam or Christianity and I'll see if I can't get this thread locked.

Kendo should bring people together, not seperate them!

Lan-san and Moe-san:
You will do 10,000 katate suburi(Lefted handed suburi) and sit in seiza on a wood floor for 2 hours for causing a pointless fight to break out.

For the rest of you for joining in on the side and allowing this to continue? 10,000 men suburi.

This may be the flames section, but it does NOT mean that you have to be rude to each other!

Hajime!! :angry:

Kaoru

goddamit my arms are kiling me!!! too much.. cant go on... :ko: :dead:

[Mugu]

just for the sake of clarity, and nothing else, jihad isnt only done by "fighting the kofar" (kofar = plural of kafir), it can be peaceful too :)


The extremists gave Jihad a bad name, what can we say...

[Moe-KendoFreak!]

hey dont get me wrong... im not blaming anyone :D

[LNGUYEN]

Why did I just ask a question and suddenly got blame that I am negative about Islam. I never said I hate Islam or Muslim. For the link, I just read the document but I didn't say right or wrong becaus I didn't know. The only thing I said is base on what's happening, I have not convinced Islam is great yet until the whole Muslim show me different otherwise. Because I don't praise Islam, I got the insulted reply and was blamed I offensed it. Who started the fight? Not me.

[Paikea]

just for the sake of clarity, and nothing else, jihad isnt only done by "fighting the kofar" (kofar = plural of kafir), it can be peaceful too :)

Mohammad

p.s. btw when i said "nothing here" i meant here in saudiGotcha on both counts.

[don quixote]

Looks like I turn out to be more of a self-righteous twat every hour. -sigh-

Peace.

Indeed.

LNGUYEN, I agree moes reaction was quite unpleasant, but in your other post mentioning mother Theresa you seemed to be basically asking 'what good has islam ever done?' You might as well ask the same question about any other religion.
I agree that a lot of aid organizations and so on are christian, but you have to remember that christian countries (or western countries where christianity is the traditional religion anyway) generally speaking much wealthier than the rest of the world. It would really be strange if we did not 'give more' to put it simply.
Now I did not bother to read that book or whatever it was that was posted that caused such offense, but I will say that one should be extremely critical of documents (and immature posters like one in this very thread, you know who I mean) pretending to tell the 'truth' about other religions. Have you ever heard of 'the protocols of the elders of zion' (I am not sure, but I think that is what it is called in English)?

[ahmed61086]

Plz ppl, dont start critisizing Islamic rules when you do not understand them (you know who you are). Fisrt off, why are women supposed to cover themselfves? Its very simple. Nowadays women walk around half naked and its OK, but if a women covers herself, then there something wrong with her? Or her religion? Let me ask you a question, when you see a women barely dressed, do you not become sexually attracted to her, or just excited in general? I would say 99 percent of men will become excited or attracted to a women like that(if the man is not a homo). This leads to sexual actions. Now what if that women is married, should not that womens body belong only to her husband (and her husbands body belong to her)? I believe it should, I think its stupid if a married women flaunts her stuff around or vice versa, so other men will start to flirt with her, and this might lead to Adultery, which will lead to divorce, which will lead to a broken home(this is realy good for human society?). Believe me people, the moral value of a lot of people is down the drown nowadays. The way most women dress, is pretty bad, no matter what culture you come from. Another question. When a women wears very very tight clothing, is she even dressed? Seriously, its allmsot like you are looking at a naked person. Yeh, she has cloth on, but its realy not hiding anything.

Would you like your daughter to walk around half-dressed so all the guys around her can stare at her, so maybe she can have sex, or get raped by one of those guys? Shit, I doubt that is what a father wants for his daughter.

When a women covers up properly, all of these risks are lowered. And they are lowered A LOT. So, i think this rule, is perfectly appropriate, and logical, from any view point.

Just to lay down a fact. In my freshmen year of highschool, guess how many girls in my school were pregnant. Over 30 girls. Thats alot of child pregnancies dont you think. A lot of babies going to be born from a girl with unfinished education, and immaturity. You dont see these types of things in Muslim countries, and if you do, its a rareity. So if Islamic countries are on the backend when it comes to technology and such, so be it. As long as the morals are high, I believe there realy realy not behind at all.

Peace

Ahmed.

[ahmed61086]

Anther fact. There are many, many, many, non-profit organizations in the muslim community. Giving charity is one of the 5 pillars of Islam. That means every single Muslim gives charity. So how is it that Islam, does nothing for other people. I give charity everytime I go to the Mosque. So does everyone else at the mosque. And this money goes to charities all over the World. We just dont flaunt it on TV and such, becuase that is not very humble.

[Kingofmyrrh]

...if the man is not a homo...
Way to go about sounding like a bigot!

I hope you intend to cover up when you get married - don't want your wife getting jealous that other women might be turned on by your form. And just think of your mother, worrying about a bunch of harlots clawing at your uncovered flesh!

I don't have a problem with what people do if everyone's consenting. But the 'logic' (and I use the term in its lightest sense) you use to justify what you believe in just doesn't add up.

[ahmed61086]

I dont see how the logic wouldn't add up. By the way, men usually dont get raped. Neither do most men dress in very tight/sexual clothing. And neither are men chased by women, the way women are chased by men. So your logic, my friend, does not add up. You tried to turn/flip the situation, when it is very clear that their truly is a very big difference in Men and Women. That situation CANNOT, be compared. Oh by the way, when it comes to homosexuality, I am a bigot. If a bigot is someone who doesnt like the Idea of Homosexuality. Oh, and what the hell did you want me to call a homo. A gay person. Someone who likes the same sex. I dont understand what you would see wrong with me saying homo. Homo, homo, homo. Screw political correctness, im not here to get elected.

[Kingofmyrrh]

Screw political correctness, im not here to get elected.
But perhaps to get banned..?

[ahmed61086]

Why would I get banned for saying Homo.

Would I get banned for calling a Cat a Cat, or a dog a dog. If you are a Homosexual. You are a Homsexual. And Homo, is the abbreviated word for Homosexual. If I got banned for saying that, it would be pretty sad.

[Kingofmyrrh]

So by your logic it would be quite acceptable to refer to a Pakistani as a "Paki" because it's an abbreviated form? I must tell my "Jap" friends living in London that they don't need to trouble themselves with the more difficult lengthy version!
Homo is a derogatory term, as well you know.

[ahmed61086]

If you consider the word Homo a derogatory term, then I apologize. Where I come from, it realy isnt. CAlling a Pakistani a Paki also, where i come from, is not derogatory, where calling a Japaneze person a Jap would be derogitory, due to the fact tha the Word Jap, was used in a derogitory way way back during WW2. So, not all things abbreviated are derogitory, its not applicable to all situations. For example, calling a Saudi Arabian, a Saudi, isnt derogitory, anything could be derogitory depending on the tone of voice. So, this is all debateable. peace.

Ahmed.

[Anjin-san]

men aren't chased by women
Hey hey, speak for yourself.

[JSchmidt]

Plz ppl, dont start critisizing Islamic rules when you do not understand them (you know who you are). Fisrt off, why are women supposed to cover themselfves? Its very simple. Nowadays women walk around half naked and its OK, but if a women covers herself, then there something wrong with her?

Its called freedom. If a woman wants to cover up her self, fine, but when society, either through legislation or religion forces people to cover up, it's oppression.

[Phil-co]

I dont see how the logic wouldn't add up. By the way, men usually dont get raped. Neither do most men dress in very tight/sexual clothing. And neither are men chased by women, the way women are chased by men. So your logic, my friend, does not add up. You tried to turn/flip the situation, when it is very clear that their truly is a very big difference in Men and Women. That situation CANNOT, be compared. Oh by the way, when it comes to homosexuality, I am a bigot. If a bigot is someone who doesnt like the Idea of Homosexuality. Oh, and what the hell did you want me to call a homo. A gay person. Someone who likes the same sex. I dont understand what you would see wrong with me saying homo. Homo, homo, homo. Screw political correctness, im not here to get elected.
Do you mean that if men rape women, it is the women who is to blame? Isn't the men the ones to blame? Shouldn't one try to do something about those men instead? Why, by the same logic you can say that if I robbed you of your watch, it is because you wore it. If you don't want to be robbed, don't wear stuff I like. Now I'm not attacking you, I'm just asking if that is what you meant.

[Fonsz]

Its called freedom. If a woman wants to cover up her self, fine, but when society, either through legislation or religion forces people to cover up, it's oppression.
I agree very hearty with this. I think that Ahmed is on the way to being banned because he is beginning to sound like a zealot. As a superstittious Atheist all religion is the same for me, at the end of the day they (religion)all strive for the same values as Khaw has so eloquently stated here. But die hard zealots are always the ones who spoil a good discussion here and his outbreaks have an undercurrent that's not quite civil. I always found this institution very civil and it's too bad that it's going haywire with these unnescesary discussions.
Where have all the free spirits gone?:puzzled:

[Moe-KendoFreak!]

Its called freedom. If a woman wants to cover up her self, fine, but when society, either through legislation or religion forces people to cover up, it's oppression.

dude, when we (i dunno about ahmad though) say a woman has to cover up i mean with her own decision, if she was a muslim, and btw by "covering up" i mean wearing respectable clothes, something that doesnt stick to ur body and such, then theres the hair.



Do you mean that if men rape women, it is the women who is to blame? Isn't the men the ones to blame? Shouldn't one try to do something about those men instead? Why, by the same logic you can say that if I robbed you of your watch, it is because you wore it. If you don't want to be robbed, don't wear stuff I like. Now I'm not attacking you, I'm just asking if that is what you meant.

believe it or not some ignorent people actually say so...

those men that raped the women are sickos and fucked up, theres no doubt about that, and they should be punished (and over here punishment for rape is HARD), but sometimes the woman is overdoing the reveiling thing, and most of the time thats not the reason! in eygpt there were women with hijab and without that were almost raped a few times, and they did nothing to deserve it (no im not saying women without hijab deserve it, no one does)



I dont see how the logic wouldn't add up. By the way, men usually dont get raped. Neither do most men dress in very tight/sexual clothing. And neither are men chased by women, the way women are chased by men. So your logic, my friend, does not add up. You tried to turn/flip the situation, when it is very clear that their truly is a very big difference in Men and Women. That situation CANNOT, be compared. Oh by the way, when it comes to homosexuality, I am a bigot. If a bigot is someone who doesnt like the Idea of Homosexuality.


ahmad, it is true that women are usually the victims of such things, but men also have to do a few things themselves if u know ur religion right (no offence dude).. like they also shouldnt wear "revieling" clothes (but men dont have "curves" like women, and thats why they should cover up less body parts :D), or that the man has the responsibility NOT to look at a woman in a perverted manner even if she was wearing totally revieling clothes or even naked (exept his wife of course :P)...

thank you. :)

[JSchmidt]

dude, when we (i dunno about ahmad though) say a woman has to cover up i mean with her own decision, if she was a muslim, and btw by "covering up" i mean wearing respectable clothes, something that doesnt stick to ur body and such, then theres the hair.


Are you trying to tell me that women has exactly the same rights in Saudi Arabia, who bases it's law on religion, have exactly the same rights as men?

Jakob

[Moe-KendoFreak!]

Are you trying to tell me that women has exactly the same rights in Saudi Arabia, who bases it's law on religion, have exactly the same rights as men?

Jakob


not at all really, i was speaking from an islamic point of view, now the Saudi point sucks, its more based on beduin customs and traditions then islam really, women dont have rights like men, but its beggining to change, like women are finally going to drive yay!!! and other things, and women are slowly proving themselves here, so law here is slowly becomming really based on islam, to main problem isnt law, its the few people that dont want change, they have a problem with women driving because it has to do with them leaving the house alone, and uncovering thair faces (which, btw, isnt done becuse islam requieres women to do so, but coz its of old tradition, and it was mixed with islam to look like its part of it, along with other things...) and they have a problem with that, and if the goverment changes things quickly problems will occur (very few women here acctually dont want right because they were led to beleive its against islam), its stupid, its too complicated to write about here anyway...

[ahmed61086]

Right now, I am being attacked(not saying by you phil-co). How am I a zealot? Because I am defending my religion. When did I say that women are the reason rape happens I never said that. All i said/implied, was that, when women wear revealing clothing, its makes men excited, without a doubt. And scientifically, we know, that when men get excited, some blood leaves the brain, and puts men into a more primitive state. Men that rape women are the only ones at fault. It is not the womens fault. But these things can be prevented. So call me a Zealot. You would be wrong to do so. That would also be uncalled for, just like all of the threatening remarks of me being banned. Thats is not the way to speak of someone, who has not disrespected anyone in the least. Ive shown everyone respect in this forum.

I repeat, Ive shown everyone respect, and have not disrespected anyone, at least not intentionally. Is that the reason why I am being threated to be banned.

And moe, believe me, I know my religion. I know how men are supposed to dress too, but that was not the subject.

So how about you guys stop telling me Im gonna get banned for being a Zealot(which im not) and for something I didnt do. Im not attacking anyone, its quite the opposite at this point. So how about we get this thread locked so I dont have to keep defending myself and my religion, by people that bombard me with questions and acusations, and then when I try to answer them, they call me a Zealot for it. Thats quite Unfair if you ask me.

Ahmed.

[Moe-KendoFreak!]

True......

[Kaoru]

Ahmed-san is not a Zealot. Guys, we come from two different cultures. What each believes will be different. Can we please respect that? Thank you.

BTW, I know of at least one Christian sect that thinks women should cover themselves properly. Not a hijab, but dress very conservative, like covered from head to toe. IE, no ankles showing if possible.

Kaoru

[Moe-KendoFreak!]

and yet again for the sake of clarity and nothing else, in islam women are requiered to cover thair whole body except thair face and hands, and its ok to wear pants and a shirt or something as long as it doesnt stick and covers the body

[Fonsz]

I agree very hearty with this. I think that Ahmed is on the way to being banned because he is beginning to sound like a zealot.
I tried to choose my words very carefully, when I meant zealots I refer to the ones that are banned now who were on a religious streak.
You are beginning to sound like one, which means you could be there. You're statements have a ring of disregard of how the rest of the world lives and what we hold dear. You may find fault with how we live but that's the way we live. I find it funny that someone like Moe who lives in Saudi Arabia has a broader perspective of the Islamic world and the world as it is. Whereas you live in the USA which couldn't be further away from the Islamic rules and still maintain such a staunch view of the world. This is an observation not a criticism. If you feel attacked then I'm sorry, but as you can see I tried to be careful about what I wrote.

[Anjin-san]

It's interesting though, do you know what the legal requirements are for a rape conviction under sharia law? Two male or alternatively four female eye witnesses. How's that for messed up?

You can't really expect people to understand your point of view if you come from such radically different cultures, especially over text. Good luck trying though guys, it's fun to watch!

[Moe-Swordsaint!]

anjin-san, the two male or four female eye witnesses is when there is no forensic (or other) evidence of anything happening, but in the times of the prophet they couldnt get evidence like that so that was how it went :)

[Kaoru]

Originally Posted by Moe-KendoFreak!
just for the sake of clarity, and nothing else, jihad isnt only done by "fighting the kofar" (kofar = plural of kafir), it can be peaceful too :)

Mohammad

p.s. btw when i said "nothing here" i meant here in saudi



Gotcha on both counts.

I don't think so. Look at the some of the Christian missionaries. They are on a "peaceful jihad" of sorts too, to convert people to Christianity. The Nazerene church I used to play drums for(And was not a member of, or a Nazerene. I just worked for them.) was huge on conversion, and it used to drive me nuts. They'd go on these missions to third world countries and see how many they could convert. Ughhhh... Thing is, it is rude IMHO, to try to convince someone else that your religion is "The One." BOTH sides(I mean the religions, not forum members.) are guilty of this. That's how I see it.

Just my silly opinion... :)

Kaoru

[h2o]

It's interesting though, do you know what the legal requirements are for a rape conviction under sharia law? Two male or alternatively four female eye witnesses. How's that for messed up?
Well, I don't know how things are in Great Britain, but for me, saying what you just said would be like throwing rocks in a glass house... Rapes are currently a very hot topic in Sweden and you'd be suprised to hear the outcome of certain cases. One court quite recently established that a woman must say "No!" three times or else she has not been clear enought that she doesn't want to have sex. Now that is fucked up. :eek:
Laws are, on the other hand, being rewritten as I write so hopefully all that will be resolved quite quickly.

I do find sharia laws unpleasant and wrong, I just wanted to point out that "the Western world" have some crazy laws as well.

[Anjin-san]

Fair enough guys. Either way most incedences of rape go unreported due to social pressure, in both cultures.

I was thinking the other day about sales and religion. What if missionaries and imams were taught sales skills? I don't mean like 'have a nice day, we hope you enjoyed the pizza' sales I mean like hardcore, answer for every rebuttle jedi mind trick neuro linguistic programming sales skills. E.g.

me: I'm not interested in somethingism, I'm a secular humanist
somethingist: what is it about humanism thats incomplete?
me: I suppose it doesn't give you the strict protocol that other religions have.
somethingist: well somethingism allows you to x y and z while still giving you the freedom of a b cing every day. Though it sounds like you're perfectly happy with humanism, we'll leave you alone now sir (pause...)
me: OK wait, what does it involve?
somethingist:just pay us £4000 a week and, clap your hands and do a cartwheel and scream 'LIKE A VIRGIN' in a cloak at 6:35 every day.
me:OK, where do I sign!

Kinda like the movie boiler room.

[JSchmidt]

and yet again for the sake of clarity and nothing else, in islam women are requiered to cover thair whole body except thair face and hands, and its ok to wear pants and a shirt or something as long as it doesnt stick and covers the body

So, their freedom is infringed...


Jakob

[h2o]

So, their freedom is infringed... Bah, looking at clothing and determining what rights people have is stupid. If I go shopping in the nude, chances are that I will get arrested for bad behaviour, and Swedenis quite far from a religious country.
And it is not equal between the sexes either... I could get away with wearing no shirt in the summer, but my girlfriend wouldn't. On the beach, yes, on the streets, no.

[Moe-Swordsaint!]

I do find sharia laws unpleasant and wrong.[QUOTE]

[QUOTE]It's interesting though, do you know what the legal requirements are for a rape conviction under sharia law? Two male or alternatively four female eye witnesses. How's that for messed up?

i find the two last comments offending since you are talking about laws of my religion... and i explained already these are old laws because back then there were no ways of collecting evidence as much as now, if there was no evidence then theres the eyewitnesses... sheesh...



Quote:
Originally Posted by Moe-KendoFreak!
and yet again for the sake of clarity and nothing else, in islam women are requiered to cover thair whole body except thair face and hands, and its ok to wear pants and a shirt or something as long as it doesnt stick and covers the body


So, their freedom is infringed...


Jakob

my friend, it is their choice weather to wear hijab or not to (just as it is the choice of the muslim weather to go around drinking or eating pig or having premaritual(sp?) sex), islam doesnt make them, alot of muslim women dont put hijad, does that mean they aren't muslim? no it doesnt!
but if u were talking about how it is here, then yes, women are requered to wear hijab, its the law, but men also shouldnt wear shorts or just take off their shirts in public as well... so u wont see a girl wearing a miniskirt here anytime soon! :D

[The great I AM]

i find the two last comments offending since you are talking about laws of my religion... and i explained already these are old laws because back then there were no ways of collecting evidence as much as now, if there was no evidence then theres the eyewitnesses... sheesh...



Moe, Anjin is a muslim.

[Ipp-on Ipp-off]

Is there some way you can put a thread on your ignore list or a relegion maybe.

Moe Go Away!! Stop your crap about islam. If your muslim your muslim so what, I don't care and I think most of the rest don't either. Ligthen up drink some beer watch some porn or some something equivalent muslims
( drink tea and smoke Shisha(sp?))

You haven't posted anything usefull about kendo till now maybe with your new ID it's time to change this.

ps: I didn't know they aloud internet in your country

[JSchmidt]

but if u were talking about how it is here, then yes, women are requered to wear hijab, its the law,

So, islam requires them to cover up (And not nomadic traditions), Saudi law requires them to cover up...and yet their freedoms are not infringed?. I guess they should just leave, right?.

[Anjin-san]

Was a muslim, now a FSM worshipper

[Anjin-san]

That and I did kind of agree and say 'fair enough'. So I don't know what round two of bitching was about. I find your face to be quite offensive funny man.

[Moe-Swordsaint!]

So, islam requires them to cover up (And not nomadic traditions), Saudi law requires them to cover up

yes, islam does require women to cover. simple as that. ur ignoring half of what im saying dude.



That and I did kind of agree and say 'fair enough'.

well i didnt get what you meant by "fair enough, and i still dont.



Moe Go Away!! Stop your crap about islam. If your muslim your muslim so what, I don't care and I think most of the rest don't either. Ligthen up drink some beer watch some porn or some something equivalent muslims
( drink tea and smoke Shisha(sp?))

You haven't posted anything usefull about kendo till now maybe with your new ID it's time to change this.

ps: I didn't know they aloud internet in your country

lol, shisha isnt muslim! but anyway when a person starts talking about ur religion and saying bullcr*p about it dont u think u should at least say something back... and dude just dont post here and no one will answer, simple eh? and yes internet was allowed here for as long as i can remember...

bye.

[Moe-Swordsaint!]

P.S. whenever i DO ask about kendo, someone turns me down...

[The great I AM]

P.S. whenever i DO ask about kendo, someone turns me down...

What interesting, pertinent or relevant question have you asked?

[Moe-Swordsaint!]

simple and very stupid/basic questions to u guys, since i dont practice at a dojo, but i havent asked since this thread started... so im stopping it, no more posts please, u want anything PM me.

thank you.

[Neil Gendzwill]

I think the only thread you asked for help sincerely in was "kendo in saudi", everything else you've written has either been off-topic or actually giving advice on something you've never practiced.

[Moe-Swordsaint!]

not really, i asked stuff in other peoples threads, but i didnt give advice i was simply suggesting something since i know i never practiced, but i just wrote a little of what i read, no harm done.

[The great I AM]

no harm done.

How can you possibly know that?! One part of the internet is that you never know who is reading what you wrote, and worse, if you are copying something that someone else wrote, that that person is right.

If you want us to be taking you seriously then starting threads on religion (a touchy subject at the very best of times) and posting multiple pieces of ridiculousness on multiple threads in an effort to get a custom avatar is the wrong way.

If you actually have a question then just ask it straight forward, but don't piss around all the time, then get uppy when people post stuff in a religious debate thread that you started (on a kendo forum I might add. Again.).

Take a step back, calm down, and start again?

[Kaoru]

not really, i asked stuff in other peoples threads, but i didnt give advice i was simply suggesting something since i know i never practiced, but i just wrote a little of what i read, no harm done.

Hi Moe-san,

The thing is, if you have never trained in something, you never ever should give advice or suggest things on how to do it. That advice/suggestion could get someone hurt should you give out the wrong info or get it mixed up, at the very least. It's a responsibility thing. So, yes it does really matter. :)

Just ask and listen for now.

Oh. Please check your box in your other username, ok? I sent replies to your last two PM's there in case you didn't check that box yet.

Kaoru

[Moe-Swordsaint!]

whenever i DO ask about kendo, someone turns me down...

sorry if i seem unaprecheative(sp?) thnks to anyone that helped...



How can you possibly know that?! One part of the internet is that you never know who is reading what you wrote, and worse, if you are copying something that someone else wrote, that that person is right.

If you want us to be taking you seriously then starting threads on religion (a touchy subject at the very best of times) and posting multiple pieces of ridiculousness on multiple threads in an effort to get a custom avatar is the wrong way.

If you actually have a question then just ask it straight forward, but don't piss around all the time, then get uppy when people post stuff in a religious debate thread that you started (on a kendo forum I might add. Again.).

Take a step back, calm down, and start again?

dude! i got the stuff from the books i read, so im sure they r right! and the religious thread really has to stop, i started it and i never thought it would case anything bad when i did, but it has to stop i agree, and the avatar thing was some time ago dude, stop reminding me, as proof i dont care i changed my account! btw i didnt start the debate, and im ignoring things like that now, but if someone still posts bull**** about religion here then that person really has no manners!! :P and im only askin and reading so no one gets me wrong anymore!

P.S. all future PMs go to this account please :)





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[Kaoru]

sorry if i seem unaprecheative(sp?) thnks to anyone that helped...




dude! i got the stuff from the books i read, so im sure they r right! and the religious thread really has to stop, i started it and i never thought it would case anything bad when i did, but it has to stop i agree, and the avatar thing was some time ago dude, stop reminding me, as proof i dont care i changed my account! btw i didnt start the debate, and im ignoring things like that now, but if someone still posts bull**** about religion here then that person really has no manners!! :P and im only askin and reading so no one gets me wrong anymore!

P.S. all future PMs go to this account please :)





*taking step back*
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I agree. Good idea to start all over. And sorry... I already sent it to your other account. I deleted my replies already, so you're stuck with them being there, or I'd just forward them if I had them. :ermm:

Kaoru

[Moe-Swordsaint!]

ah its ok :) but replying is gonna take alotta time! hehe :D

[Kaoru]

ah its ok :) but replying is gonna take alotta time! hehe :D

Ok. Sorry I talk a lot! (Been told often I talk too much! :D )

Kaoru

[Moe-Swordsaint!]

ah dont worry, the same has been said to me :silly: ! but i never talk just for the sake of taking :D

:silly: (man this smiley is so cute :ko: )

[JSchmidt]

yes, islam does require women to cover. simple as that. ur ignoring half of what im saying dude.

Erhh, "dude", you are ignoring half of what *you* are saying and avoiding the question entirely, "dude".

Just answer true or false.: Womens right are oppressed under both islam and Saudi rules.

Jakob

[Moe-Swordsaint!]

True, womens rights are opressed under saudi rules.

False, womans rights are not opressed under islamic rules.

Did i miss anything?


Moe.

[Anjin-san]

Thats like saying x is true in the vatican city rules, x is not true under catholic rules. Who exactly practices this thing you call islam?

[Moe-Swordsaint!]

Anjin-san, I already said that under saudi rules women are opressed because there are certain laws based on beduin customs, but under islam rules she is not opressed because she has her rights, unless covering her "curves" is opression.

[Anjin-san]

Yeah so I'm agreeing with you bro. The point I made was, with your definition of Islam, Islam isn't practiced in the centre of Islam for the world. My question was who practices what you call Islam?

[ScottUK]

unless covering her "curves" is opression.What's the official reason for women doing this?

[Moe-Swordsaint!]

the official reason for wearing unrevieling clothes is coz islam says so. and im not gonna get dragged into explaining the reasons again...

[Kaoru]

Yeah so I'm agreeing with you bro. The point I made was, with your definition of Islam, Islam isn't practiced in the centre of Islam for the world. My question was who practices what you call Islam?

I'm confused... What do you mean about "With your definition of Islam, Islam isn't practiced in the centre of Islam for the world?" What's the center of Islam?

Kaoru

[Moe-Swordsaint!]

he means saudi arabia, but i believe there is no center of islam, its universal, and to answer your question, people that practice this thing i call islam are those that dont mix customs and traditions with religion, thats it...

[ScottUK]

but men also have to do a few things themselves if u know ur religion right (no offence dude).. like they also shouldnt wear "revieling" clothes (but men dont have "curves" like women, and thats why they should cover up less body parts :D), or that the man has the responsibility NOT to look at a woman in a perverted manner even if she was wearing totally revieling clothes or even naked (exept his wife of course :P)...This is so bollocks. I know my wife is stared at by other guys 'cos she is a cracker. I also get stares from women - probably 'cos I am nearly 6 and a half feet and fairly well built. Men don't have curves? Ask women whether they are attracted to a man's shape.

What's my point? I don't like to see women tart themselves up too much as it spoils them in my opinion. However, just 'cos I look or get looked at doesn't mean I am gonna do something stupid that may harm my marriage or myself. I don't need a law to dictate my (or others') clothing - common sense is fine...

[Paikea]

I don't think so. Look at the some of the Christian missionaries. They are on a "peaceful jihad" of sorts too, to convert people to Christianity. The Nazerene church I used to play drums for(And was not a member of, or a Nazerene. I just worked for them.) was huge on conversion, and it used to drive me nuts. They'd go on these missions to third world countries and see how many they could convert. Ughhhh... Thing is, it is rude IMHO, to try to convince someone else that your religion is "The One." BOTH sides(I mean the religions, not forum members.) are guilty of this. That's how I see it.

By "gotcha" I meant that I understood the correction to the plural form of Kafir, and that he had no immediately available places to train in Saudi Arabia. I have since suggested to Mohammed that he approach both the Japanese Embassy or Consulate, as well as possibly some of the Japanese companies (like Mitsubishi Heavy Industries) that are located in the kingdom.

Write the letters, Mohammad. Stop this other stuff, please.

[Moe-Swordsaint!]

well not as much curves as women, and common sence is good, whatever works for you... and yes u dont need a law, but islamic "law" isnt law in that sence, wearing unrevieling clothes is more like a sign of devoutness its more like rules then law... but in saudi it is law in that sence (if thats what you meant)

[Moe-Swordsaint!]

im on my way to writing them!! just gotta find out where the embassy is :P

[Kaoru]

im on my way to writing them!! just gotta find out where the embassy is :P

I found out that it is called the Embassy of Japan in Saudi Arabia.

Here is the URL:

http://www.ksa.emb-japan.go.jp/

I hope this helps you! :)

Kaoru

[Moe-Swordsaint!]

THIS SITE IS PERFECT!!!!! now i got the address!! kendo here i come!!!!!!!!

[Anjin-san]

You know how muslims all pray in a certain direction, (if you look some prayer mats have compasses on them). They're pointing to Makkah in Saudi Arabia. The prophet Mohammad PBUH went up to the cave and the qur'an was dictated to him by the angel Jibrael (or Gabreal depending on where you're from) in the mountainous region outside Medina, Saudi Arabia. Saying that the religion practiced there isn't real Islam is once again, like saying that the catholicism practiced in the vatican isn't real catholicism.

So they're not good muslims and don't follow Islamic law in Saudi Arabia which is what you're saying. I agree.

The question still stands though, if not in Saudi, where is this Islam practiced?

Actually don't bother answering, I'm just replying to yours and Kaoru's posts.

At the same time though, if women were wearing Hijabs here, it would protect them from me chatting them up :D so good point.

[Moe-Swordsaint!]

oh, if thats what you meant by center then yes ofcource mecca is the center, its the qibla... and this islam is practiced everywhere by muslims, have you ever been to egypt? theres a good example, muslim women wear unrevieling clothes and a headscarf, but not the abaya (the one on the body) same in lebanon.

lol, i know :D

[The great I AM]

i got the stuff from the books i read, so im sure they r right! , and the avatar thing was some time ago dude, stop reminding me, as proof i dont care i changed my account! btw i didnt start the debate, and im ignoring things like that now, but if someone still posts bull**** about religion here then that person really has no manners!! :P and im only askin and reading so no one gets me wrong anymore!


Okay, but remember, you started it by posting about religion. Red rag to a bull I'm afriad, anywhere. And changing account doesn't alter the fact that BEFORE people got mad at you you didn't think before you did what you did, this is what annoys me.

I've still to see a relelvant and interesting post about kendo. Once you get out of the flames section and into the board real, then I may take you seriously. Unitl then, you are another kid who thinks kendo is something on the internet. prove me wrong.

[Moe-Swordsaint!]

i know i didnt think about the consiquences, but now i think before i act, so im not gonna do anything stupid like that again... which is why this thread must be locked. and i think too deeply about kendo for it to be "just something on the internet" to me, even though i never really practiced (though thats about to change very soon :))

[ahmed61086]

How about you guys stop ganging up on Moe. You make statements/questions, that induce posts by Moe(and me Im afraid), and then you guys say what bad peopl we are when we answer. So stop it.

[Kaoru]

How about you guys stop ganging up on Moe. You make statements/questions, that induce posts by Moe(and me Im afraid), and then you guys say what bad peopl we are when we answer. So stop it.

I agree with you. :)

I gave him the embassy URL, and that should help him.(I hope!)

Kaoru

[Kaoru]

Okay, but remember, you started it by posting about religion. Red rag to a bull I'm afriad, anywhere. And changing account doesn't alter the fact that BEFORE people got mad at you you didn't think before you did what you did, this is what annoys me.

I've still to see a relelvant and interesting post about kendo. Once you get out of the flames section and into the board real, then I may take you seriously. Unitl then, you are another kid who thinks kendo is something on the internet. prove me wrong.
Gibbo-san,

He can't write about Kendo yet. He does not have Kendo in his country.

He's hoping to change that. How about you finding stuff for him to read? :D Be constructive and helpful please. I chipped in and found him the Japanese embassy URL.

If you want him to be able to talk about Kendo on this forum, what you might do, since you teach Kendo, is find some basic things for him to read and then, quiz him on it or something, so he can take part in the forums at least a little. Have him read and then, tell him to explain what he just read or something. Then, we can chip in after he has replied and help him learn something at least. Engaging the mind at this point, would be good. If he can't to the physical part, why not at least teach him what etiquette and terms and such are? At least he could then have a technical vocab for when he does start. He seems to have a genuine interest. Can you give him an inch?

I'm not a sensei, so it's not my place to do this. It's up to you or others. Just a thought... Or not. :ermm:

Kaoru

[Toaster]

I'm not a sensei, so it's not my place to do this. It's up to you or others. Just a thought... Or not. :ermm:

Kaoru

Great idea kaoru-san! :) You must have really thought about that *thumbs up*

[Moe-Swordsaint!]

Thanks alot Kaoru-san!!!!!!!! :)

[Anjin-san]

This whole place is on crack.

[Moe-Swordsaint!]

thank you for that extremely useful post Anjin-san!! :wink:

[The great I AM]

He can't write about Kendo yet.

This is my whole point. And I honestly don't think that reading about kendo is good, you already know my viewpoint on this I'm sure, we've argued about it before!

There are many places where he can learn about the technicalities of kendo etiquette, least of all the UCL website which is linked on Anjin's sig and my own, and has some vocab and such like on the site. Is it my place to hold his hand or would it hurt him to do some PROPER research first? I wonder which I would prefer.

If I seem strict or harsh its because I don't like the sort of "I know nothing so don't have a go at me" thing. It doesn't take much to start on things that don't involve a shinai. Kendo and getting better at it is YOUR OWN responsibility, not anybody elses, so that just doesn't wash with me I'm afraid. I'm sorry if this seems too much, but it really is how I feel.

And anyway, what I posted wasn't wrong either was it? Religion and avatar-wanting. Great first impression.

If he was that serious about it he would have already found something by know. I hope he has so he gives me a reason to take him seriously, otherwise he is just another person that when they first came to the forum the first thing they thought of was not kendo, but a custom avatar.

[Moe-Swordsaint!]

Gibbo-san,

I have already learned about many technicalities on my own, and I did proper research with books mostly, not the internet, but im getting to it.

So I am not asking anyone to spoonfeed me, and i know its my own responsibility, but over here there are very few places where i can even find anything slightly about kendo, and it really doesnt seem too much because im used to finding stuff on my own anyway :D.

look I still say that theres nothing wrong with talking about religion generally, thats my point of view, but I know that on forums its not a good idea, so thats done.

And I did do something now, i sent the letter to the embassy and i hope they send back. And i did find something, this forum! i read the old threads and they can be helpful. other than that, im still looking.

[ScottUK]

Prior to my start of kendo practice, I knew a fair bit about kendo itself due to practicing iai for quite some time. A lot of kendo info is prevalent in iai also so I thought it would be a smooth transition from one to the other.

Wrong.

Chucked in the deep end I discovered that most of my iai practice is non-complimentary to kendo and I was returned to the bottom of the food chain - where beginners should be - a kenshi with zero kendo knowledge.

Feel free to read up and get an idea of what kendo is. Feel free to trawl the web looking for info. Feel free to piss people off on a kendo forum asking nonsensical questions.

You won't know what kendo is until you're in bogu and actually DOING kendo. I hope you find a dojo, start practicing and look back on this and realise what a twat you WERE - post-tense.

Good luck...

[Moe-Swordsaint!]

thanks for the advice.

[ahmed61086]

I dont know what your talking about Scott. B4 I started kendo, I read Gorin no sho and "the Unfettered Mind" and I was allready a Grandmaster. ;)

[Moe-Swordsaint!]

P.S. not that i know more then anyone here, but scott wouldnt the reason for your "unsmooth" transaction be that u were already used to the teqniques in iaido, and when u did kendo u had a bit of iaido left in u, but a person that is new to kendo is like graving on a stone, so i learn things for the first time and i don't keep in mind that "this martial art is like that one so there wouldnt be a problem".

just a thought.

[ScottUK]

I was thinking more along the lines of ma-ai, seme, kihaku etc etc. rather than technique. My point to you was - reading about kendo and asking questions just ain't enough to prepare you for kendo... all it can do is get you keen on starting the practice...

My instructor tells me my cuts are accurate due to my iai practice but overblown and not quick enough against other kendoka. My main problem is being able to drive myself from my back foot fast enough. I'll fix these in time... :D

[Moe-Swordsaint!]

ah kool :D hope u fix them soon then!

oh, and how long have u been studying iaido before u swiched, and how long have ya been doing kendo?

[ScottUK]

21 years of MA, about 6 years of iai and a month or two of kendo... :D

[Moe-Swordsaint!]

kool! :D, what do yo do before u are allowed to use bogu?

[Fonsz]

kool! :D, what do yo do before u are allowed to use bogu?
You practice till you get blisters on your hand and on the soles of your feet. You think by yourself "what am I doing here? And why do I have to put up with this torture?". But you continue coming to practice untlil some fine day after 9 months or so you get to wear a BOGU!!!
And then the above mentioned procedure stats over again but people are actually hitting you over the head and other specified places and after a year or so, you are hooked for life hopefully, or you have thrown the bogu and everything else from a high bridge in the water. But if you are sensible we can buy a second hand bogu on e-bay or something like that.
You still wanna practice kendo Moe? ;)

[Moe-Swordsaint!]

thats exactly whats exciting me even more!!!!!!!!!

[Joehannah]

thats exactly whats exciting me even more!!!!!!!!!

lol, you'd better hold that thought for the first year of practice.
:D It's worth it though.

[ahmed61086]

Somebody's leaving me anonamous comments that say nothing. Whos doing that?

BTW, how do you leave comments on someones CP. Thanks. Peace.

Ahmed.

[Kaoru]

Somebody's leaving me anonamous comments that say nothing. Whos doing that?

BTW, how do you leave comments on someones CP. Thanks. Peace.

Ahmed.

You can do that when giving reputation points. That's the only way. :)

Kaoru

[Miravil]

How? I've received some CP too but only able to recognise one as he left his name. The rest was clueless.

[Fonsz]

How? I've received some CP too but only able to recognise one as he left his name. The rest was clueless.
Maybe a secret admirer who knows?:confused:

[Miravil]

Maybe a secret admirer who knows?:confused:

Hahaha.... for kendo or personal? :D Nah... the notes given were something related to the thread that I visited.

[Hisham]

You're too humble :p

[Mugu]

Hahaha.... for kendo or personal? :D
You've just inspired me... I missed the "or" so it sounded like "Kendo Personal", great idea for a dating website... lol

[ahmed61086]

Ok, i figure out how to give reputation points now.

[Moe-Swordsaint!]

wow, this thread can go on forever...!

anyone can write anything they want here!!

like the title says "this has nothing to do with kendo" :D

[Miravil]

You've just inspired me... I missed the "or" so it sounded like "Kendo Personal", great idea for a dating website... lol

Hahaha... That's interesting...:D

Ahmed, care to share how to give reputation point? ;)

[piggy]

Ahmed, care to share how to give reputation point? ;)


Its the scale icon in the upper right side of someones post. Feel free to give me good points just to try it out. Just kidding. :D

[Miravil]

Its the scale icon in the upper right side of someones post. Feel free to give me good points just to try it out. Just kidding. :D

Just did, let me know if it works. Thanks. :D

[piggy]

Just did, let me know if it works. Thanks. :D


Yeah it worked. Thanks for the point!:D

[Moe-Swordsaint!]

I cannot believe this whole thread actually happened! :ermm:

It's like that isn't even me typing! wtf! That was just a bad combination of curiosity, naivety and over-persistence

:shocked:

...I guess 5 years really is more then enough time for someone to change enough not to even realize it..! Or I'm just suffering from multiple-personality disorder ^^

I MISS THIS FORUM!

[The great I AM]

Why bring this back? What the hell was the point in grave digging? You wanted to bring this mess back to the front of the forum, is that it? Why?

[Big One]

Hey, that's ok. this forum has been so quiet lately. Let's rumble again.

[Jonathan4]

who likes fries?

[UnimportantHero]

I do.

I also like threads like this. Used to have a "Ultimate Thread Killer" thread on another forum, as a contest to see who could kill the thread. People got awful creative.

[Jonathan4]

nice!:D