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Musha
25-11-2005, 01:21 PM
Hi all I visited the Shindomunen ryu kenjutsu dojo in Nakamegoro yesterday and heres what I wrote about it. You can view some more on my blog which has a link in my profile ;).

Kenjutsu at Nakayama Hakudo's Yushinkan

Yesterday I finally decided to go to Nakayama Hakudo's Yushinkan. This dojo was founded by Negishi Goro in Nishikanda and then was moved to Yutenji near Nakamegoro by Nakayama Hakudo.
I headed from the train station taking a left and looking for Tokyu store that I could not find making it take me about 30 minutes to find where I was going.
Looking for a cross roads and metal mon I finally worked out it was the smallest of alleys making a cross in the road but this was the back of the dojo!
The dojo was actually next to the house of maybe the sensei and didn't look like a dojo at all...

Nervously I stepped inside and asked there sensei if I could watch? He didn't seem to mind and pulled up a chair.

The class didn't seem to start for a long time; a younger student was doing very big strong suburi and hitting the koshi-ita board on his hakama and cutting right to the floor sometimes, cutting down, up, kesagiri (diagonal) and going through a full range of large cuts completely in time with his foot work.
An older sensei was practicing iaido with katana drawing and cutting in a full range of movements running forwards and cutting. Drawing cutting front and back like with multiple enemies all around him.
The main sensei and ryu-ha soke Ogawa Takeshi was practicing Jodo with full kiai swapping his hands round and round.

This carried on for more than 30 minutes and sitting there seemed even to me quite unnerving. Kiai and the sound of foot work and swords swooshing in a small dojo. This was definitely not kendo with extremely powerful cuts and foot work that echoed all over the dojo.
Gradually more students came in all ranging from early twenties to sixties and much stronger than most kendoka.
The newest student practiced suburi for a full two hours with the sensei giving pointers and helping with uchikomi shinai.

The high grades practiced kata in pairs. This kata had allot of movements very different from kendo. Holding the blade between thumb and index fingers and catching the sword and cutting under the kote. Cutting to the neck and sliding back and down to the floor.
This kata was also extremely violent with full cutting and kiai right through expressing incredible tension when blades crossed in a kata which represented kata number four with swords meeting in aiuchi.

I talked to the teacher and he said it was very rare to see this kind of shinken shobu style kendo today and only if you have the spirit to ender this art you can stay with it for more than 20 years I think. I guess correct cutting starts first with suburi and only then can you go into kata which without this correct cutting would be very dangerous.
This experience will differently make me see kendo and kata in a different light.

akumalkenshi
26-11-2005, 07:25 AM
If you dont mind, Im very interested in knowing some more.

Would you be so kind as to ask them, (when the window of opportunity arises) the next questions...

1.- What do they think of Kendo today, or modern kendo..?
2.- What do they think about Gaijins, practicing modern kendo worldwide..?

thank you

Musha
26-11-2005, 12:13 PM
I talked to the teacher and he said it was very rare to see this kind of shinken shobu style kendo today and only if you have the spirit to ender this art you can stay with it for more than 20 years I think.

Both answers to your questions are at the bottom but I don't think the sensei really wanted to comment. Its like comparing American foot ball with English rugby, on both sides it will cause an argument and to most Japanese sensei its not there business to comment on these things. Nakamura Hakudo long dead would be the best to ask but he did practice kendo, jodo and iaido with this kenjutsu so I guess he thought they were both worth some thing.

bushikan
10-11-2006, 03:48 PM
Musha I cant send you a pm. PLease clear a few so I can send you one please.

Bennosuke
14-11-2006, 07:35 AM
I talked to the teacher and he said it was very rare to see this kind of shinken shobu style kendo today and only if you have the spirit to ender this art you can stay with it for more than 20 years I think. I guess correct cutting starts first with suburi and only then can you go into kata which without this correct cutting would be very dangerous.
This experience will differently make me see kendo and kata in a different light.

What do you mean by shinken shobu style kendo?? And what do you mean by 20 years? Do you mean after 20 years of practice your body will give out?

ZealUK
14-11-2006, 08:54 PM
What do you mean by shinken shobu style kendo?? And what do you mean by 20 years? Do you mean after 20 years of practice your body will give out?

I think he meant koryu kenjutsu.

Koryu is a rarity. It definately takes a certain mindset. Most Japanese know very little about it. In fact most Japanese kendoka I know (that don't actively train in koryu) also know very little about it.

rottunpunk
14-11-2006, 10:36 PM
thanks for sharing musha.
so will you be joining his dojo then?
:p

ZealUK
14-11-2006, 11:04 PM
This thread's a year old...


Bushikan resurrected it by the looks of things

rottunpunk
14-11-2006, 11:24 PM
oopsy yeah chears mr alex
my brain cant see numbers.
so... hows you and stuff?
:p

Musha
16-11-2006, 12:54 PM
What do you mean by shinken shobu style kendo?? And what do you mean by 20 years? Do you mean after 20 years of practice your body will give out?

Yeah this is an old thread. Shinken shobu is the act of two samurai using live blades with the aim of one samurai killing the other. I remember the sensei actually using this term, there was no sparing, only running trough kata which would lead to the ultimate death of the opponent if they were using real blades. This type of martial art is usually called koryu bujutsu as zeal said.

Im not sure what you mean `your body will give out?` Bennosuke, what I meant to say was if you want to practice this art it will take around 20 years to master or become competent in it.

rottunpunk, I’ve moved back to Japan again but I don’t think I can join that dojo at the moment :wink:. Although if any one wants info on how to get there I might be able to help.

ZealUK
16-11-2006, 11:38 PM
oopsy yeah chears mr alex
my brain cant see numbers.
so... hows you and stuff?
:p

I'm very well thankyou Ms Deborah.

The family is coming along nicely. I also have a ginger dog called Oscar.

Musha where abouts are you living now then? Are you still practicing Chanoyu?

Musha
17-11-2006, 11:43 AM
Hi Zeal,
Im living near Hakone now trying to enter uni. No time for any thing until Jan :(.

Bennosuke
19-11-2006, 02:48 AM
My bad that makes a lot more sense

rottunpunk
19-11-2006, 07:07 AM
roll on january for mr musha then
glad you are good mr alex
congratulations on the new addition to the family
you must post pictures, i am more likely to coo at fluffy things than babies :D
:p

neit
22-11-2006, 01:32 AM
heh i pass yutenji on my way home every day