suburi shinais

[exkarate]

hey, I was sufing kendo stores and I came across a "suburi shinai" its really short and is for suburis (hence the name.) nowI live in Vancouver and it rains a lot... a lot. so I can't really go outside and practise w. shinai or use the garage beauce there's no room. do you recommend I buy this and from where? thanks a ton

[streetcleaner]

it's just a marketing. you can use any metal bar for example

[LarsCW]

I use a suburito from bokkenshop

http://bokkenshop.com/eng/204.html

I got these for when I would improve in strength just to save on shipping and I found out that it's mainly in the wrists where is'm not strong enough for the lightest one. One of my sempai explained me that it's mainly a cause of me not being able to relax enough while doing my exersizes.
http://bokkenshop.com/eng/217.html

http://bokkenshop.com/eng/219.html

I haven't got the height at home to practise inside either so I practise sitting.

[mystic_kendoka]

I would recommend the bokutos, rather than the shinai (they looks better :P)... However if you have a low ceiling, the suburi shinais tend to be a bit shorter (albeit uglier)

[Neil Gendzwill]

I disagree with the use of suburi-to, oversize shinai, suburi-ko, lead pipes or whatever weighted suburi tool you choose. Modern sports science shows us that training a movement with a weight is adapting a different muscular set than training the normal movementl. Specificity in training is meant for support activities. For example, sprinters use movements like explosive squats and hanging cleans to generate the explosive power needed for the sprint, what they do not do is sprint with weights hanging off their chest as that would interfere with the adaptions they need for the actual sprinting skill.

Very interesting discussion on mfw on this topic, the key artificle IMO is here (http://groups.google.ca/group/misc.fitness.weights/tree/browse_frm/thread/b1c1159b3781de6f/e326daf13d9dcbcd?rnum=1&_done=%2Fgroup%2Fmisc.fitness.weights%2Fbrowse_frm %2Fthread%2Fb1c1159b3781de6f%3F#doc_be0cfee1e1f68e b5), the whole thread can be found here (http://groups.google.ca/group/misc.fitness.weights/browse_frm/thread/b1c1159b3781de6f?).

[Stimpson J. Cat]

I was sufing kendo stores and I came across a "suburi shinai" its really short and is for suburis
Mind posting where you saw it? I've only seen these a couple times and thought they were pretty expensive for what they were.



I disagree with the use of suburi-to, oversize shinai, suburi-ko, lead pipes or whatever weighted suburi tool you choose Modern sports science shows us that training a movement with a weight is adapting a different muscular set than training the normal movement

I cut down (but didn't quit entirely) on doing heavy-item suburi after receiveing the same advice from a sempai for a different reason, that sempai recommended using a standard bokken instead, what's your opinion on that? It's slightly heavier than a shinai, but not in the same class as some of the giant suburi logs you see.

[Neil Gendzwill]

I don't think a bokken is different enough to matter. And in any case you need to learn to swing both shinai and bokken.

[stuartwilson]

I have one of those 8-stave suburi shinai. I also have one of those shinai tip weoghts. They handle differently, but both make it much more difficult to control the kensen. They are great for exagerating the need for tenouchi and for warming up. I have never used either one for much other that that. (I've had tendonitis in both elbows. The heavier shinail always feels like it could result in re-injury if used a lot.)

I'm going to investigate Neil's post more though. Somewhere in between a regular shinai and the suburi shinai is my 2-6-5 steel iato, which is also not easy to control. I've always assumed I was using the same muscle groups, just that heavier swords required more strength.

[Anime12478]

I have been thinking about buying a suburito to help increase endurance and strength for my swings. I'm no physical fitness trainer nor have I been doing Kendo for long enough to notice any differences but I was under the impression that swinging with something heavier would make it easier to use one shinai since your body is programmed for the heavier one, thus making your swings with a normal shinai or bokken better. I'll investigate this one as well though.

[mystic_kendoka]

o crap... i just bought a suburito... guess it'll just be a display item then..

[Neil Gendzwill]

I've always assumed I was using the same muscle groups, just that heavier swords required more strength.
I kind of phrased that badly - you're using most of the same muscles, but the adaption is different. Adaption plays a big part in sport - how much you can lift, how fast you can move, this all comes from training and having your body adapt to a specific movement. A good example is weight lifting. Most people think that to get stronger, they need to build muscle. Not so. A huge part of strength is learning how to do the particular movement. If a total newbie starts weight training, say learning bench press, in the first couple of months he will see enormous gains with no significant muscle gain. But if he tries to do a military press, he won't be very much ahead of where he was at the start on that movement. Or look at the lightweight classes in competitive lifting - teeny people lifting huge weights. Yes, they're muscular for their size but they're also adapted to specific movements. If you get an olympic lifter trying to do a powerlifting squat, they're not as strong as you'd expect. Get them to switch to the pl lifts and after some time these talented guys will be lifting huge, but if they go back to the oly lifts they'll have lost a lot.

When you train to swing a shinai and train to swing a suburito, they may look like the same movement from the outside but really they are different. The quick, fluid swing with the shinai is a different skill than the lumbering, powerful swing with the suburito.

Anyways, read the article I referenced, it's very interesting.

[exkarate]

Mind posting where you saw it? I've only seen these a couple times and thought they were pretty expensive for what they were.

I tried to find it again, but i couldn't... : ( but it was sort of a cross between this http://www.e-bogu.com/Nitoryu_Shinai_Size_Short_p/hay-ken-shi-nito--short.htm and this http://www.e-bogu.com/Suburi_Shinai_Pieces_6_p/hay-ken-shi-suburi--6.htm
as for the advice thanks a ton. now off to practising my suburis with my regular shinai in the snow :) (haha, yeah right)