Enjoy being whacked

[Mugu]

Last night I started wearing Do/Tare/Kote. I didn't feel much weight on me and I didn't pass out twice as fast as I thought I would. In a matter of fact, it felt like the Do and Tare weren't even there at all and I seemed to learn to control my breathing better. Then when I received Do/Kote, believe it or not... I enjoyed being hit. The feeling of being whacked woke me up and increased my interest in Kendo for some odd reasons. Is it me or someone had the same feeling also...?

[LNGUYEN]

No, just you. You got a rare case called whacking enjoyment syndrome or in short called Kendo Syndrome. Seriously, it is the excitement when you know you are progressing. Just wait for a few more missed hits and you will enjoy more.

[ReKru]

... I enjoyed being hit. The feeling of being whacked woke me up and increased my interest in Kendo for some odd reasons. Is it me or someone had the same feeling also...?

I prefer whacking over getting whacked.
Just be carefull that you don't enjoy getting whacked so much that you deliberately take a whacking where you should whack the others :cheeky:

[Kapplow]

You learn a lot about yourself in combat.

:pirate:

[Kanau]

... are you a masochist?

[Mugu]

At first, I wasn't wearing Kote. So I got whacked in the fingers by accident when doing Ai Men. And I also got whacked a little below my Do. They weren't too bad and probably my sempai weren't hitting too hard :D But yeh, I shouldn't enjoy it too much, lol

[ReKru]

... are you a masochist?

Aren't we all a little?
Such a nice feeling when the pain departs. :devious:

[ReKru]

p.s.

Adrenalin is really great stuff. I ripped a 3x2" piece from my sole during my last shiai.
Shimpan picked it up from the floor and looked a bit disgusted, but I didn't realize it was my limbs littered across the floor until after the fight was over. :D

[ShinKenshi]

Last night I started wearing Do/Tare/Kote. I didn't feel much weight on me and I didn't pass out twice as fast as I thought I would. In a matter of fact, it felt like the Do and Tare weren't even there at all and I seemed to learn to control my breathing better. Then when I received Do/Kote, believe it or not... I enjoyed being hit. The feeling of being whacked woke me up and increased my interest in Kendo for some odd reasons. Is it me or someone had the same feeling also...?Just wait until you're in full bogu. Then you'll become the target for everyone and that's what happened to me. Everybody lined up and hit me and this went on for quite a while until I had a bruise the size of a pool ball on my right wrist. Great at being able to control your breathing, but just wait until you have to do a few rounds of jikeiko followed by kakarigeiko. :D

[Mugu]

Just wait until you're in full bogu. Then you'll become the target for everyone and that's what happened to me. Everybody lined up and hit me and this went on for quite a while until I had a bruise the size of a pool ball on my right wrist. Great at being able to control your breathing, but just wait until you have to do a few rounds of jikeiko followed by kakarigeiko. :D
I saw how you guys suffered, lol I'll share your suffering when I visit next year, lol

[GoldenShinai]

Last night I started wearing Do/Tare/Kote. I didn't feel much weight on me and I didn't pass out twice as fast as I thought I would. In a matter of fact, it felt like the Do and Tare weren't even there at all and I seemed to learn to control my breathing better. Then when I received Do/Kote, believe it or not... I enjoyed being hit. The feeling of being whacked woke me up and increased my interest in Kendo for some odd reasons. Is it me or someone had the same feeling also...?

Of course. At the end of a class, me and a friend compare briuses and such. The one who is the most beat up wins. And if someone gets a blister, the correct response is "No fair! I want one!"

[Paikea]

No, just you. You got a rare case called whacking enjoyment syndrome or in short called Kendo Syndrome. Seriously, it is the excitement when you know you are progressing. Just wait for a few more missed hits and you will enjoy more.Especially the ones between the armpit and the kidney, the ones on the wrists and the occasional kendo hickey.

[tamaki]

every small amount of pain we get causes the human body to release special hormones,which prevent us from feeling pain.If the pain increases gradually ,these substances little by little make us to bear the pain.In sports actually,endorfine also creates a feeling of happiness.Thats why,although tired or hit, everyone is happy and excited after hard jikeiko.I read a very interesting article a while ago in some science magazine but cannot remember which.

[Lloromannic]

Especially the ones between the armpit and the kidney, the ones on the wrists and the occasional kendo hickey.

There is also a problem for those of us who have an uh.... "large posterior" of some Do hitting too close and uhm.. whipping around.

[Paikea]

There is also a problem for those of us who have an uh.... "large posterior" of some Do hitting too close and uhm.. whipping around.Yeah, but you don't think I'm going to say that to a lady, do you?

[Lloromannic]

Yeah, but you don't think I'm going to say that to a lady, do you?
/theme music Sir Mixalot's BABY GOT BACK
Why not? Womyn's liberation and all.

[Paburo]

Last night I started wearing Do/Tare/Kote. I didn't feel much weight on me and I didn't pass out twice as fast as I thought I would. In a matter of fact, it felt like the Do and Tare weren't even there at all and I seemed to learn to control my breathing better. Then when I received Do/Kote, believe it or not... I enjoyed being hit. The feeling of being whacked woke me up and increased my interest in Kendo for some odd reasons. Is it me or someone had the same feeling also...?
im not gonna call you masochist (someone else did already *coughcough* :D)
but perhaps thats the whole opposite of me... i dont like being whacked or touched while wearing bogu. why you may ask?

well... we got a few conan in our dojo. a men smack from them will make the birds and stars go flying in circles above your head. missing dou... you can imagine.

also i dont like losing, so id rather not let my opponent touch me with that dirty shinai of his, lol.

actually i think i got my jaw twisted out of place from a conan-sayu-men from someone in my dojo.... argh.

i really only truly enjoy motodachi work for the children. whether i'm teaching or being motodachi senpai, i dont mind them hitting me at all. they often hit more into place and with less strenght and more tenouchi than adults anyway lol.

[aiuchi]

every small amount of pain we get causes the human body to release special hormones,which prevent us from feeling pain.If the pain increases gradually ,these substances little by little make us to bear the pain...
so how come this doesn't seem to work for seiza? ;)

[nodachi]

Of course it works in seiza... pins and needles are the first sign that they are kicking in, then loss of all feeling, then loss of blood circulation to the feet, then they die and you never feel them again and you can sit in seiza almost indefinitely from that point on... although I have yet to see someone hardcore enough to try this... :)

[LarsCW]

I managed to focus so well on kendo and not feeling anything that after practise I couldn't practise for 3 weeks because my achiles tendon was inflamed so bad and keiko made it even worse as I gave my usual full 100%.

For some reason as soon as I put on the men my breathing change and I'm able to push myself further then I would be otherwise.

[Mugu]

Of course it works in seiza... pins and needles are the first sign that they are kicking in, then loss of all feeling, then loss of blood circulation to the feet, then they die and you never feel them again and you can sit in seiza almost indefinitely from that point on... although I have yet to see someone hardcore enough to try this... :)

One of the La Crosse tai kai hosts, Matt Reardon told me one of his students actually got a tac under his foot and he didn't notice! Every time he fumikomi they would hear a "tic", but they don't know what the hell that sound was until Matt told everyone to check their feet. One of the guys got a tac under his right foot and felt no pain even fumikomi! Apparently, Kendo can get your tough feet...

[aiuchi]

Seriously, tho' folks, I do think the old adrenalin making you forget about the pain is true... I can get through keiko, a couple of hours at the pub (great painkillers there ;) ) and then, when I get home, I find all these bruises I never even noticed getting - it's like 'how did THAT get there?

And about getting whacked - surely no-one can resist a wry smile when someone scores a nice clean ippon on you?

[Mugu]

Well, surprisingly, only after a week, sensei let me wore Men tonight. The feeling was pretty different, but it was pretty darn fun being whacked, hahaha The Kote wasn't that fun especially my sensei hits pretty hard, so I'll need to buy some wrist protection for it or something.

[Sepiraph]

... are you a masochist?

S & M anyone?

[KhawMengLee]

Last night I started wearing Do/Tare/Kote. I didn't feel much weight on me and I didn't pass out twice as fast as I thought I would. In a matter of fact, it felt like the Do and Tare weren't even there at all and I seemed to learn to control my breathing better. Then when I received Do/Kote, believe it or not... I enjoyed being hit. The feeling of being whacked woke me up and increased my interest in Kendo for some odd reasons. Is it me or someone had the same feeling also...?

Wait till you get the Men on. Your breathing will feel wierd and you'll find it awkward to lift your arms to cut...but it will pass and then real kendo begins. enjoi!

[Mugu]

Wait till you get the Men on. Your breathing will feel wierd and you'll find it awkward to lift your arms to cut...but it will pass and then real kendo begins. enjoi!

I started wore Men last night :) I'm actually a lot more excited about Kendo now than before, I want more and more practice! I guess I'm having the complete opposite effect of most people when they get in bogu, hahaha

[ShinKenshi]

I started wore Men last night :) I'm actually a lot more excited about Kendo now than before, I want more and more practice! I guess I'm having the complete opposite effect of most people when they get in bogu, hahahaYeah, having a wrist pad is really nice, especially against the clubbing newbies. I usually take mine off for jikeiko and kakarigeiko though. Actually I'd say you're having the same usual reaction when people start wearing bogu. Now I REALLY want to face you in some shiai :D.

[Toaster]

I started wore Men last night :) I'm actually a lot more excited about Kendo now than before, I want more and more practice! I guess I'm having the complete opposite effect of most people when they get in bogu, hahaha

I had exactly these thoughts when I first wore bogu ^^.It's so great when you get to wear bogu for the first time! I loved it so much, finally I got to hit people AND get hit back! I resembled somewhat a pea in a tin can.... can life get any better.... :happy:

[LarsCW]

For me it took some time to get used to and I had 3 weeks without training due to an injury but now I can enjoy it even more then before. The most I enjoy jigeiko. Finally I can start trying to use what I have been taught. Ofcourse you end up against sempai that have way higher skill but I see it as a challenge to find an opening and score even thou they will make prolly 3 points in the time I scored.

The look you some times get from scoring on some and suprising them is golden.

Sure I get the bruizes like everybody and the turns off beginner beating but then it's my turn to do jigeiko again and all is forgotten:-)

[Toaster]

The most I enjoy jigeiko. Finally I can start trying to use what I have been taught. Ofcourse you end up against sempai that have way higher skill but I see it as a challenge to find an opening and score even thou they will make prolly 3 points in the time I scored.

:-)

Jigeiko sacres me! It makes me so nervous....

[LarsCW]

One thing I found most usefull both sempai and sensei told me is to attack and make simple combinations and not to think about defence too much.

Sure I get hit alot but that is part of kendo, see it as learning to take hits, when your opponent in shiai might see you would take a kote hard then he/she might give you another one just to intimidate you and to pull the match to him/herself.

[Heart of Lion]

I'm learning kenjutsu and iaijutsu from my sensei right now, and he says that I can start speed training with kendo anytime I want. However, since I asked him to instruct me exactly the same way that his father instructed him, I will not be wearing any armor when do start kendo with him. He said, my father did not let me use armor. I either moved or got hit. This training method must have worked for him; he won some kind of kendo championship in Japan years ago in his youth several times. Is there any way I can prepare for this type of training?

[Old Warrior]

I'm learning kenjutsu and iaijutsu from my sensei right now, and he says that I can start speed training with kendo anytime I want. However, since I asked him to instruct me exactly the same way that his father instructed him, I will not be wearing any armor when do start kendo with him. He said, my father did not let me use armor. I either moved or got hit. This training method must have worked for him; he won some kind of kendo championship in Japan years ago in his youth several times. Is there any way I can prepare for this type of training?
First, get your head examined. (I say this with a smile). If the purpose is to simulate combat by allowing full speed strikes, I surmise that not wearing armor defeats the purpose. Also, many techniques, are done with the expectation that you will strike first, but your opponent will still hit you, thereafter. Your partner cannot do a full speed head cut if you are not protected - end of story.

[Kaoru]

I'm learning kenjutsu and iaijutsu from my sensei right now, and he says that I can start speed training with kendo anytime I want. However, since I asked him to instruct me exactly the same way that his father instructed him, I will not be wearing any armor when do start kendo with him. He said, my father did not let me use armor. I either moved or got hit. This training method must have worked for him; he won some kind of kendo championship in Japan years ago in his youth several times. Is there any way I can prepare for this type of training?

Hmmmm... Sounds like you ended up in a fake dojo. There is no Kenjutsu that is legit in Boston. And, there is only like, three legit Iaido dojos in all of Massachusettes that I am aware of. There just is no legit Kenjutsu on your state at all.

And, we NEVER spar without bogu in Kendo. MUCH too dangerous, and you'd have to be crazy to do it. Geez. Your "teacher" must have watched too many Samurai flicks.

If he REALLY won any such tournament, he'd have worn bogu!! This screams FAKE!!

Yeah, you can prepare for doing REAL Kendo by attending a LEGIT dojo. There is legit Kendo in Boston.

What supposed "Ryu" of Iaido and Kenjutsu does this guy claim to teach and what it his name please?

Iaido and Iaijutsu are the same art, BTW.

Legit Kendo and Iaido dojos for you to attend:

Acton Kendo & Iaido Dojo (http://www.doshikai.org/)
2 School St
Acton, MA
M 6:30-9:30pm
Contact: Barry Poitras (info@doshikai.org) (978)852-8169


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Boston Kendo Kyokai (http://www.boston-kendo.com/)
St. Paul's Church
15 St. Paul Street
Brookline, MA
M W 7:00-8:30pm
Contact: David Harrison (daveh@boston-kendo.com) (617)327-3104

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Sei Zan Kendo Kai
Munson Library 1046 S. East St.
Amherst, MA 01002
Practice schedule: Thursday: Iaido 6:30-8:00pm; Kendo 8:00-9:30pm
Saturday: Iaido 1:00-3:00pm; Kendo 3:00-5:00pm
Contact: Thomas Hooper (seizanken@yahoo.com) (6th dan) (413) 549-3864

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Both the Acton and Amherst dojos teach legit Iaido as well as legit Kendo.

For legit Koryu Iaido not taught at a Kendo dojo, there is the Boston Eishin Ryu Iaido Kai in Boston, Massachussets (http://www.bostoniaido.com/)

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You could have found these by typing Iaido[Boston] or Kendo[Boston] in either Google or Yahoo!

Why pick McDojo when you can have the real deal? :)

Kaoru

[nodachi]

You forgot Shufukai in Randolph, MA. I tried to PM but your box is full... And Boston Kendo Kyokai is in a different location, so check their webpage. They are now in a community center in Roslindale.

[Heart of Lion]

I am not in a fake dojo. Grand Master Tsuji Chouemon XI teaches Tsuji-Ryu Kobudo. His art can be traced all the way back to Grand Master Oda Nobunaga and teaches almost everything including taiko drumming, kenjutsu, aikijutsu, iaijutsu, shinobi hand techniques, kendo, and just about every single Japanese weapon you can think of. I should have clarified on the way his father trained him. He started off training kendo not using any armor. If he didn't move in time, he got hit. That was the way they did things. Then later on, I'm sure he used armor as tournaments would require it. But I the reason Sensei will teach me kendo is to suppliment his kenjutsu and iaijutsu training. I won't be using bogu at all when Sensei teaches me. I'm sure I'll be leaving the dojo everyday with a few bruises, but I trust Sensei and I believe him when he says it is the best way.

[Ignatz]

Grand Master Tsuji Chouemon XI may very well be the greatest thing since sliced bread, I don't know. However, there are 4 well known kendo dojos in the Boston area, all of which I do know and they are all excellent. And they all use bogu as do the other 5000 or so players in the U.S. and the 2,000,000 worldwide. So make your own decision.
I hope your teacher has good control because otherwise you will not just have bruises. If any of the people that I play with hit you kote without a kote on you probably would not be able to practice again for a while. As for men, one time Dr. Ogawa sensei from the Citadel figured out my timing and did a beautiful kote nuki men and darn near knocked me unconscious, stars and birdies and all.
So again make your own decision. One other thing, I don't think I have ever heard of Nobunaga referred to as "Grand Master", but maybe that is just a bad translation. Take some time and read some history.
Good luck.

[Kaoru]

I am not in a fake dojo. Grand Master Tsuji Chouemon XI teaches Tsuji-Ryu Kobudo. His art can be traced all the way back to Grand Master Oda Nobunaga and teaches almost everything including taiko drumming, kenjutsu, aikijutsu, iaijutsu, shinobi hand techniques, kendo, and just about every single Japanese weapon you can think of. I should have clarified on the way his father trained him. He started off training kendo not using any armor. If he didn't move in time, he got hit. That was the way they did things. Then later on, I'm sure he used armor as tournaments would require it. But I the reason Sensei will teach me kendo is to suppliment his kenjutsu and iaijutsu training. I won't be using bogu at all when Sensei teaches me. I'm sure I'll be leaving the dojo everyday with a few bruises, but I trust Sensei and I believe him when he says it is the best way.

Your sensei is so full of crap it's not funny.

There is NO way he can have connections with Nobunaga. NONE. Nobunaga did not teach ANY of these things. Geez. I can't believe you believe everything this human feeds you. This tells me that you'd kill somene if they told you to, or, jump off a bridge just because someone else did.
You do NOT go blindly following people just because they dangle rank and titles in front of you. That is bordering on moronic. People LIE about things you know. ESPECIALLY about sword arts and their experience in it!

Can't you get your head screwed on better and visit a real Kendo and Iaido dojo for once? At least you'd get a clue as to what is what.

Kendo did not become Kendo until about 150 years ago, BTW also. So, he's a lying cheat based on that alone. Even Samurai who did Kendo before the rank of Samurai was abolished, had enough brains to use the new invention called bogu.

I am preparing a reply to your other thread. Read it well. Then, try hard to understand it, and not just say, well, my Sensei blah blah... and defend a liar. There ARE frauds that teach sword you know.

The funny red uniform you guys wear is not proper. You should be wearing blue hakama and blue keiko-gi in Kendo, and usually a while keiko-gi and black hakama for Iai. Flashy get-ups like red karate uniforms for sword and Kendo, are glaring signs of fake sword or karate sensei.

Oh, and you WON'T trust him when you get a broken wrist or a concussion from improper technique from ignorance in not wearing armour. That's just stupid. You are not Samurai! Don't EVER trust someone who tells you not to wear bogu.
This is NOT feudal Japan where bogu use in training did not exist. Only an irresponsible idiot would ever tell you something so ridiculous. Can we say LAWSUIT if any of his students got killed?? It could happen you know.

Oh, and in real Kendo? We do NOT spar with bokuto or real swords. That's asking for death. We use shinai with represent the sword.

Oh yes... His info he's fed you on Taiko drumming is also flawed and wrong too. I am a percussionist who holds a BM in percussion performance with connections to people who actually teach taiko drumming. Don't try messing with me, because you'll get an earfull.

Kaoru

[Kaoru]

You forgot Shufukai in Randolph, MA. I tried to PM but your box is full... And Boston Kendo Kyokai is in a different location, so check their webpage. They are now in a community center in Roslindale.

Oh! Thank you!

And, sorry. I'll fix that and make room later on today in my box. :) Assume you've got detailed info for me on the other Iai dojo?

Kaoru

[yohed55]

WOW, you know a lot!

[Heart of Lion]

First, stop insulting my Sensei. Second, why is it so hard to believe that my Sensei is a descendent to Grand Master Nobunaga? And I assure you, the dojo I go to is as real as yours. As for the color of my uniform. What does it matter? That is what I wear for kenjutsu and iaijutsu. Are you going to criticize me for the color of my skin next? Because that WOULD BE the next step up. THERE IS A REASON WE WEAR THE RED UNIFORM. I thought you would be more open minded. Just because my dojo is not well known it is automatically labeled a fake? And another thing, I did not even specify what we would use when we begin kendo. Any idiot would know not to use a real sword, but you seem to think as much about my Sensei. I don't know where all this hostility comes from. I asked a simple question. But it seems you like to insult people. That is fine. You openly criticize my Sensei and me. That is fine. You also tell me what my Sensei said about taiko drumming is false. If you knew the least bit about taiko drumming, then you would know what I said is true. STOP INSULTING MY SENSEI! YOU HAVE NOT RIGHT! YOU DO NOT KNOW HIM! I did not insult yours. Do not begin to insult mine...

[nodachi]

Heart of Lion,

If you could be so kind as to share a website, dojo address or name, or just more basic information on your dojo then we could research more accurately. Right now we are just working on hunches, although many of us are fairly certain. The real martial arts community (non McDojos) in Massachusetts is so small that every club knows most, if not all of the others that exist in the state. For example, I have lived in Boston for quite some time and I have never heard of this person who is your sensei. If you genuinely want to clear your sensei's name here, stop vaguely stating that he is the real deal, and give us the actual information about the dojo, location, and anything else. Maybe then we can eat our words and have a new place to train... but until you do this, it just doesn't seem right. I plan on withholding my opinion and giving you the benefit of the doubt for a short period of time until we get the info we need to truly verify your dojo, but as a previous Boston resident, this is the first time I have heard of such a person. Even living in Japan, no one person has mastered all those martial arts because to achieve a high degree of skill requires too much training. The most martial arts I have ever heard of anyone mastering in Japan is 2 at the most. This is why people are skeptical. Give us the info so they can eat their words, but until then, you are not going to convince anyone.... good luck...

[Mugu]

Anways, what the hell does your dojo have to do with my enjoyment of being whacked in bogu?

See? When I get hit in bogu, when someone don't do a nice "Plak" sound to my Do, I'm not too happy about it because there's no power in it and it doesn't feel "good". When they hit my Men if I hear a "glak" sound I want to whack that guy back because he's hitting me with their nakayui and sometimes it hurts. That's difference stuff. You're tainting my enjoyment and you're not sharing my experience. Besides, the stuff you posted had nothing to do with what I shared.

Besides, Japanese don't call themselves "Grand Master". They are called "Sensei"

[Paikea]

...and teaches almost everything including taiko drumming, kenjutsu, aikijutsu, iaijutsu, shinobi hand techniques, kendo, and just about every single Japanese weapon you can think of.That reference to taiko is interesting. There seems to be a trend with respect to McDojo-types wanting to "incorporate taiko" into their hodgepodge martial art. Perhaps they want to declare themselves soke and kyu-dan all at the same time to save on the paperwork.

[Kaoru]

First, stop insulting my Sensei. Second, why is it so hard to believe that my Sensei is a descendent to Grand Master Nobunaga? And I assure you, the dojo I go to is as real as yours. As for the color of my uniform. What does it matter? That is what I wear for kenjutsu and iaijutsu. Are you going to criticize me for the color of my skin next? Because that WOULD BE the next step up. THERE IS A REASON WE WEAR THE RED UNIFORM.

When you can open your eyes, and realise he's not being honest with you, then you'll understand. First, attend one of the dojos I gave you like an adult would. Then talk.
You cannot talk if you have never set foot in a legit dojo with instructors who have a proven lineage and background.

I guess you are something other than Caucasion? Why else would you bring race up like an idiot? Please realise that color means nothing. All color is, is a color. Duh! Don't feel sorry for yourself. Only a self-centered person would do that just because of their skin color. So, no whining about that please. I could care LESS what color you are. Now that we got THAT straight...

In legit dojo, we don't wear flashy colors and karate uniforms in the dojo. In real sword arts, you will NEVER see ANY Iaidoka OR Kenjutsuka or Kendoka wear a RED karate uniform or any other colored uniform. EVER.

Examples of high ranking sensei doing Embu(demonstrations) in full uniform:

Photos:

Kogen Itto-Ryu Kenjutsu

http://koryu.com/cgi-bin/guidephotos.cgi?album=kgitto&photo=kgitto01

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Maniwa Nen-Ryu Kenjutsu

http://koryu.com/photos/mnr.html

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Ono-ha Itto-Ryu Kenjutsu

http://koryu.com/photos/ronoha.html

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Tenshin Shoden Katori Shinto-Ryu Kenjutsu

http://koryu.com/photos/mj97ksr.html

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MJER Iaido

http://www.e-budo.com/forum/showpost.php?p=268207&postcount=30

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Kendo

http://schools.fcps.org/bes/images/japaneseimages/kendo.jpg

Kendo video footage from Kendo World magazine site:

http://www.kendo-world.com/downloads/index.php

Note how all the Kendoka in each video never wear anything but the traditional uniform of a samurai: hakama and keiko-gi. The same goes for the pics above.

You need to open your mind and eyes.

So, do you see any flashy colorful karate uniforms on these people? This is just a very tiny example.

Link to photos of untrained people who think they are doing Kenjutsu, Iaido or Kendo. Note all the flashy funny colored uniforms and countless patches that just are never seen in legit dojos.

From E-budo:

Krappy Karate Katana Kamae (photos) (http://www.e-budo.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12982)

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I thought you would be more open minded. Just because my dojo is not well known it is automatically labeled a fake?
I AM open-minded... When the dojo is not an obvious Samurai wannabe place. I'm sorry. But, you are getting duped here. No, that is not what makes it not legit. What he is trying to claim is what makes me so skeptical.


And another thing, I did not even specify what we would use when we begin kendo. Any idiot would know not to use a real sword, but you seem to think as much about my Sensei.

One more historical thing...

In the lineage on your dojo's site:



Taira family moved to Oda Sword Shrine, became Oda family.



No. There was no such thing as the Oda Sword Shrine. I posted info in my other post.



The Taira clan never did change their name to Oda either.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taira

http://uk.geocities.com/rainforestwind/minamoto2.htm



And, funny how he conveniently leaves out a date for this supposed name change to Oda on your dojo's history page. A bit odd, don't you think, when he's tried to list other dates? That would be important to put.


Also, he claims Nobunaga's Grandson became Tsuji Chouemon. Not true. Look at the lineage charts of Nobunaga in my other post. He didn't even list who the grandson's name was! A legit sensei would. Look in any legit art's lineage. Names don't mysteriously disappear.

As to what you guys will use, No idea... But the way this site looks, and the fact that you said no bogu, I wonder if he is going to have you guys use bokuto instead of shinai. I hope not. Even if you DO use shinai, you can get seriously injured with one if you do not wear bogu. And, if the shinai should break(And they will, if not used properly and with appropriate force-meaning not clubbing, which are full speed cuts not allowed in real Kendo unless you want to hurt your partner) you could get your eye poked out from a broken stave. The men(head covering) is meant to protect the head and face for good reason. Bamboo shinai are not very forgiving, though they can bend upon impact. Even though the men has bars, you still have less chance of an eye injury if you wear it. A missed tsuki(thrust) can hurt you. Tsuki can kill, as well. Without bogu, you could die if you get tsukied by accident in the throat. Even WITH bogu this is extremely dangerous.

Heck, you can get your wrist broken from a strong cut even without hand protection. And, you could even get knocked out or get a concussion from gertting hit on the head, if you got hit there without protection. No joke. Nevermind a broken rib you could get if you got hit on the stomach where one does a proper doh cut. You cannot count on people in your dojo, including your teacher having the proper control to not hit you and hurt you. That is just not possible. Kendo is full contact.

So, you'd better start getting a clue and visit a real dojo. A real Kendo and Iaido dojo is VERY safe compared to that.


I don't know where all this hostility comes from. I asked a simple question.
You came here as if you were NOT a student of that dojo. That's enough to be mad at you right there. When you do that, expect to get toasted when you come back with, "I'm a student there." after acting like you are looking into that school with a QUESTION. Why ASK if you think it is legit??


But it seems you like to insult people. That is fine.
No, I don't. What I DO NOT like is when people come here under false pretense and then say who they really are. I don't go out of my way to insult others. Why bother?


You also tell me what my Sensei said about taiko drumming is false. If you knew the least bit about taiko drumming, then you would know what I said is true.
Didn't know I'd actually know something about it, huh. Already discussed in your other thread...


STOP INSULTING MY SENSEI! YOU HAVE NOT RIGHT! YOU DO NOT KNOW HIM! I did not insult yours. Do not begin to insult mine...

I'm sorry you don't like what I said, but you need to know what is real and what is not. I do not need to know him to know what is correct and what is not. You need to get your head out of the clouds and start exploring other dojos. You owe yourself that.

Blindly following someone without doing some serious checking into other dojos is a VERY bad idea. When people start making outrageous claims to lineage and claims grand titles like Grand Master Soke, that means something is not right. Maybe you are too young to understand... I don't know.

Anyway, I gave you help and dojos in my post above. Please use them and don't just blindly follow this guy. If you really visit those dojos, and then, decide you are not interested in them, then fine. But, you can't decide this until you visit those dojos and read the information I have given you.

Good luck.

Kaoru

[Kaoru]

Heart of Lion,

If you could be so kind as to share a website, dojo address or name, or just more basic information on your dojo then we could research more accurately. Right now we are just working on hunches, although many of us are fairly certain. The real martial arts community (non McDojos) in Massachusetts is so small that every club knows most, if not all of the others that exist in the state. For example, I have lived in Boston for quite some time and I have never heard of this person who is your sensei. If you genuinely want to clear your sensei's name here, stop vaguely stating that he is the real deal, and give us the actual information about the dojo, location, and anything else. Maybe then we can eat our words and have a new place to train... but until you do this, it just doesn't seem right. I plan on withholding my opinion and giving you the benefit of the doubt for a short period of time until we get the info we need to truly verify your dojo, but as a previous Boston resident, this is the first time I have heard of such a person. Even living in Japan, no one person has mastered all those martial arts because to achieve a high degree of skill requires too much training. The most martial arts I have ever heard of anyone mastering in Japan is 2 at the most. This is why people are skeptical. Give us the info so they can eat their words, but until then, you are not going to convince anyone.... good luck...
For the Tsuji-Ryu Kobudo sites, please see my post here:

http://www.kendo-world.com/forum/showpost.php?p=151216&postcount=4

Kaoru

[Kaoru]

That reference to taiko is interesting. There seems to be a trend with respect to McDojo-types wanting to "incorporate taiko" into their hodgepodge martial art. Perhaps they want to declare themselves soke and kyu-dan all at the same time to save on the paperwork.

You've seen this before? This is the first tiome I have! Sigh... They even screw up Taiko history...

Kaoru

[nodachi]

Heart of Lion,

I know my opinion is not going to make you feel better, but I have looked at the website and it does not bode well. Also in my personal experience of living in Boston and practicing at multiple dojos in Boston and visiting dojo in NYC, the Japanese Sword Arts community in the northeast is very close. Dojos frequently have joint practices, see each other at the annual tournaments, and are well aware of the other legit dojos in the area because there are so few. I have never heard anyone mention your dojo during all that time. Also most legit dojo have some affilitation with the All Eastern US Kendo Federation. Does yours? Not criticizing, just asking...

You are obviously going to have to follow your own judgements here because you feel like you are being attacked, but in addition to others visiting your dojo to check it out, have you visited other dojos to check them out as well? Just as a means of comparison. Ultimately you are going to be the one to choose where to practice because it is your training, but you should do your own homework just like some of us here.

I may stop by and visit, but it is going to be a year or so until I move back. If I do visit, I will let you know what I think...

[Paikea]

You've seen this before? This is the first tiome I have! Sigh... They even screw up Taiko history...

KaoruYeah, my wife practices with a local taiko group and has seen new people starting taiko with the incorporation of it into their own "art" in mind. In the business of marketing, there are no limits or shame.

[Heart of Lion]

It is interesting that you claim the Taira did not become the Oda while the evidence you provide explicitly details their emergence. Also, the incomplete family tree you provided neither supports the claims of you or me that a cousin of Oda Nobunaga changed his name to Tsuji when he moved to the village of Tsuji.

I noticed that you have a habit of jumping to conclusions based on what little you know about any subject. For example, you assume that I have never visited any dojo other than the one I belong to. Do not think you know anything about me or anything else.

"But the way this site looks,"

And please, do not make fun of the website because it is more humble or less well built than others. It is so low of you to stoop to such a lever. Your unexcuseable slander is worse than you poking fun at the homeless because you may have more money than them.


Read the other thread for my response to your other nonsense.

[Kaoru]

It is interesting that you claim the Taira did not become the Oda while the evidence you provide explicitly details their emergence.

No it doesn't. It never mentions ONCE any connection to the Oda family. The Taira did NOT become Oda! NOT possible.


Also, the incomplete family tree you provided neither supports the claims of you or me that a cousin of Oda Nobunaga changed his name to Tsuji when he moved to the village of Tsuji.
No cousin DID change the family name. That's why it's not listed there. It simply does not exist!

I DARE you to go ask about this on e-budo.com, which is a scholarly Budo forum. Ask in the sword arts forum (http://www.e-budo.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=16)
on e-budo. You have to register to post.


I noticed that you have a habit of jumping to conclusions based on what little you know about any subject. For example, you assume that I have never visited any dojo other than the one I belong to. Do not think you know anything about me or anything else.
Prove me wrong then. Tell me your REAL first and last name(No lies either, as to your real name!) and then tell me what dojos you ACTUALLY visited on the list I gave you, so I can ask them if you did visit for real. I'd actually ask them you know.

Oh, BTW, on e-budo, if you DO post there, you MUST give your real first and last legit given name in each post or they will ban you after three warnings to comply. No joke.

Kaoru

[Ignatz]

Kaoru: You go girl! good research on taiko, very interesting. See, you get to learn something in the strangest ways.

Heart of Lion: If your sensei is for real, i think you have insulted him more than anyone. Your sensei is going to teach you the "real" way to learn kendo, without bogu so you ask the people that train with bogu how to prepare. On the other post you ask if anyone has heard of this, like you haven't and just want to know, when in reality you are just looking for the opportunity to tell about it.

Conclusion? We don't know if your sensei is a fraud but it is pretty apparent that you are. You only get one chance to make a first impression and I think you blew it.

[Mugu]

Back on topic. After jigeiko twice, I almost passed out on both, hahaha But it was very fun especially the second time sensei got a big smile on his face when I threw away the blocking and kept attacking him. The first time when I blocked he kept hitting my Kote's. So I asked him how do I stop that, he said by attacking. So I did, it felt great seeing that big smile on this face :)

As for breathing, the first time I jigeiko I went up to 3 minutes... barely. On last saturday night, we were doing 3 minutes jigeiko. I was able to went for the full 3 minutes with my sempai then up to 5 minutes with some 30 seconds rest in the second round with my sensei. After that, I had to sit down and breath restlessly for 1 minute or 2 to catch my breathe. Otherwise, yeah, it's pretty darn fun. I can see myself learning how to control breathing better already. And I also noticed a lot of old mistakes I used to do when I got into bogu. Such a my cut was small, my kensen and so forth. It's very interesting...

[Bear of Doom]

Sorry Mugu to ruin your beautiful post, but got a story to share so we could convince Mr. Lion here.

Oh by the way, if people just popped here to read and see what next idiotic pearl of wisdom Mr. Bear has to offer, I'm sorry to disappoint you. Remember I say I wouldn't post anymore? Well I meant until I can get my head straight ... well it's the new year, and a new start! I resolve not to make mindless comments or ones that are not clear. So Happy New Year everyone!

Now my story ... it has nothing to do with Kendo techniques so I'm sure a KYU player would qualify *snickers* (sorry, couldn't resist)
I'm sure Miss/Mrs?? Kaoru have made it clear to you that pracitising without a bogu is dangerous. She ain't joking. I'm sure all of us here has some good injury stories to tell. This was from a while back, like many years ago. I was infront of the dojo, waiting for the dance class who has the gym before us to get out. So a friend and I decides to warm ourselves up a bit. I heard him told me to hit men, and he was holding his shinai above his head (a bit infront) and parallel to the ground, how you would normally receive a men without bogu ... but little did I know he has told me to hit DO (he already has his Do on) and I have misheard ... so I went for men and obviously he wasn't ready for the men and his grip of the shinai wasn't strong, my shinai slipped down from his shinai and slashed his eyes. Of course, if I did the men right by stopping the shinai at contact that wouldn't have happened, but thats besides the point (told you it was years ago) It was not a pretty sight. He was bleeding and fell to the floor covering his face. I was terrified; he was a good friend of mine. Fortunately (well I don't know how fortunate) I only got his eyelids and thats what was bleeding. It healed after a week or so. So you see ... he could've been blinded. And you want to do Kendo without any armour at all? I sense someone's gonna get a hurt real bad here ...

On topic Mugu! I love getting whacked too ^^ and when you're really push that's when Kendo is fun. Check my favourite saying out. Personally I really learn to develop my mind to keep going after I was on the floor and dead tired. It's a great sensation.

[Rurouni Kenshin]

Just a small offtopic advice: Dont go hammering on Bear again for almost poking sum1's eye out.... I bet he learned from his mistake...... It's the new year....he promised to change his way of posting....:happy:

[kendonewbie]

Heart of Lion......before I start, keep in mind i'm as cloes to neutral on this topic as can be....

Sorry, I've gone over your posts, and it would appear that your current dojo IS NOT legit. I don't want to throw random insults around, so i'll point the reasons out.
1. Not listed- I can't seem to find any info that lists your dojo....either search engines or MA federation sites. Did find an article on someone with the same name about a taiko drumming concert....anyway.

2. The teaching&its source-
His art can be traced all the way back to Grand Master Oda Nobunaga and teaches almost everything including taiko drumming, kenjutsu, aikijutsu, iaijutsu, shinobi hand techniques, kendo, and just about every single Japanese weapon you can think of.I DO NOT know nearly as much about taiko drumming or Nobunaga as other members on this board, BUT. The fact that he is trying to tie his style back to a historical figure thats mentioned more than a few times in samurai movies is a red flag. Especially when many people who DO know a lot about the history of Nobunaga claim he never taugh any of those styles.
Also, things like Shinobi hand techniques and weapons is something that is seen VERY, VERY often in McDojos.

3. Red Uniforms- You mentioned earlier that there was a reason you wore red uniforms...can you explain why? The only MA uniforms i've ever seen in legit dojos were either White or Blue. The fact that they're red raises another red flag, seeing as "flashy" uniforms are often used as attention grabbers.....popular in mcdojos and with wannabies...but not serious MA's.

4. No protective gear- I can't imagine practing kendo or contact sparring in general in any MA without protective gear. You'll end up with *much* worse than a few bruises. Only place i've been to that did sparring without pads was...well...a mcdojo.

5. Training background- Father? Have you ever met his father to verify this? And what were his fathers qualifications as a sensei? Seems like theres allot lose ends there. Also, what rankings does your sensei hold in
kenjutsu/aikijutsu/iaijutsu/shinobi hand techniques/kendo/kobudo? I mean, most other Martial artist I know who train in multiple arts go to several dojos. I'm sure that your sensei would have learned something OUTSIDE of his fathers training, if that is indeed how he was taught.

Anyway, to answer your question...

Is there any way I can prepare for this type of training?
Yes. Get over to one of the dojos Kaoru listed. Don't....I repeat, do not start mouthing off about your past MA experience. Something i've learned about dojos....New dojo/style=new rules=new experience. Consider yourself a complete beginner. Watch, practice hard, and listen to your new sensei.

[Mugu]

Stop ruining my thread *cries*

[LNGUYEN]

Then tell us, have you cried yet?

[Bear of Doom]

Stop ruining my thread *cries*

Aww ... well people are slowly getting on topic ... sort of ... be patient

You know what I just realised and thought was really wicked, i just saw in your profile that you're a she not a he ... and in this thread you said you enjoy being whacked ... that's probably the first she I've ever heard that from! Thats cool ... but generally our female kendokas are so much more normal (well, hehe, how self contradictory of me) than those girls that screams at the nearest sight of an insect and kicks a football like a ... umm ... I don't know, but with their arms up halfway like chickens, you know those annoying ones?? right guys? Well lets say more mature and calm ... and kicks ass! Especially the beautiful ones (Bear quickly opens the hot girls in kendo gear thread)

[kendonewbie]

Stop ruining my thread *cries*
*bows* so sorry! On topic. Depends. I don't like it when I get whack so hard I fall over and see stars, but...hrm.....you know. Sometimes theres that ache...it hurts but feels good(?) Kinda like the soreness after a good workout? God...that sounds masicistic....

Plus, it whacking other people helps me vent my *issues*....>_>...

[Mugu]

Well, I had two drops of tear ran down form my right eye, does that count?

And I still hate bugs, I still scream when I see a bug especially roaches! I never got good with sports, so I do kick a ball like a girl :p Kendo I probably enjoy the most, Video games come in second (it does count as excercise, excericse for my fingers) :D Good thing is I have a very good kiai, better than a guy in my dojo. He screams like a little girl.

[Lloromannic]

Well, I had two drops of tear ran down form my right eye, does that count?

And I still hate bugs, I still scream when I see a bug especially roaches! I never got good with sports, so I do kick a ball like a girl :p Kendo I probably enjoy the most, Video games come in second (it does count as excercise, excericse for my fingers) :D Good thing is I have a very good kiai, better than a guy in my dojo. He screams like a little girl.

Don't cry, just imagine Orlando Bloom is whacking you with a big stick (that doesn't sound quite right)

[Mugu]

Don't cry, just imagine Orlando Bloom is whacking you with a big stick (that doesn't sound quite right)

No it doesnt :nervous: ROFLMAO

[LNGUYEN]

I have found the new threat for my opponent: I'm going to whack you so good that you're going to cry like Mugu!!

[Rurouni Kenshin]

Something about red uniforms I read? Red hakama is a big nono from what Ive heard.....used in temples only.....:tired: or is the big kahuna claiming to be 'devine' aswell......

[LNGUYEN]

Rurouni Kenshin,

Would you please open another post to talk about whatever you want to talk. We are trying getting back to being whack here

[Ignatz]

Then when I received Do/Kote, believe it or not... I enjoyed being hit. The feeling of being whacked woke me up and increased my interest in Kendo for some odd reasons. Is it me or someone had the same feeling also...?

Wait until you experience your first really good kote nuki men and your knees buckle and you see stars and little birdies flying around. It usually makes me laugh. Really, no kidding. I guess it is because I appreciate the beauty of the technique and how humbling it is.

[LarsCW]

Well the funny thing is that I do better after I have gotten some hits because then I wanna whack the other even more.

The problem is that I'm not good enough to do much whackin, sometimes a nice kote which then suprises me more then my sempai who in some cases were suprised already and then I lack the proper zanshin.

Sunday, Kendo practising Holland will goto Zwolle for some extra practise/whacking/getting whacked.

[yohed55]

My first time in Jigeiko, I had to spar with a guy that is in his 20's and around 6' 5'' tall. Needless to say, I got whacked. :dead: I do enjoy a giving or recieving a good hit though.

[LarsCW]

My first time in Jigeiko, I had to spar with a guy that is in his 20's and around 6' 5'' tall. Needless to say, I got whacked. :dead: I do enjoy a giving or recieving a good hit though.

I am 6' 5" and we have some more tall kendoka practising at the dojo who all whack me around. With one of them I have a regular mengane crash because I'm holding center better and not moving aside for anyone.

[Bear of Doom]

And I still hate bugs, I still scream when I see a bug especially roaches! I never got good with sports, so I do kick a ball like a girl :p Kendo I probably enjoy the most, Video games come in second (it does count as excercise, excericse for my fingers) :D Good thing is I have a very good kiai, better than a guy in my dojo. He screams like a little girl.

^^" but then again thats kinda cute right? Still ... plays video games and kicks ass in Kendo, that's respectable right there :D

I'm 6'3" but I don't really whack people hard though ... at least I don't think so, haven't gotten any complaints yet. I try to control, because I don't see the point of whacking the living heck out of the opponent, I believe just going in with speed and a reasonable smack (just what comes naturally) which gives a nice sound is better ... or is it? Anyone that would like to comment on that please do so. But what I get all the time is loads of bruises on my wrist and arm ... since I'm quite tall for Thais here, they specifically aim for my kote ... all of them (and the toddlers, do) ... so it really hurts, especially the sempais and senseis they really know how to whack the kote nice and hard, I just subconsciously stop moving for a second or so, the pain just shoots up the bones haha ... but it's a good feeling, because after that *oof* it's raging time! (another smack lands on Bear's kote :ko: )

[Kaoru]

^^" but then again thats kinda cute right? Still ... plays video games and kicks ass in Kendo, that's respectable right there :D

I'm 6'3" but I don't really whack people hard though ... at least I don't think so, haven't gotten any complaints yet. I try to control, because I don't see the point of whacking the living heck out of the opponent, I believe just going in with speed and a reasonable smack (just what comes naturally) which gives a nice sound is better ... or is it? Anyone that would like to comment on that please do so. But what I get all the time is loads of bruises on my wrist and arm ... since I'm quite tall for Thais here, they specifically aim for my kote ... all of them (and the toddlers, do) ... so it really hurts, especially the sempais and senseis they really know how to whack the kote nice and hard, I just subconsciously stop moving for a second or so, the pain just shoots up the bones haha ... but it's a good feeling, because after that *oof* it's raging time! (another smack lands on Bear's kote :ko: )
:confused: Who? :confused:

Honestly, I'm quite confused!

(I think you should move away from using that word... Nobody is gonna understand it.)

Kaoru

[Kaoru]

Well, I had two drops of tear ran down form my right eye, does that count?

And I still hate bugs, I still scream when I see a bug especially roaches! I never got good with sports, so I do kick a ball like a girl :p Kendo I probably enjoy the most, Video games come in second (it does count as excercise, excericse for my fingers) :D Good thing is I have a very good kiai, better than a guy in my dojo. He screams like a little girl.
Oh gawd, don't get me started on roaches... I HATE them!!! Once this roach flew into my dorm room in college from outside, and I was so scared of it, that I looked all over for someone to help me get rid of it, and since nobody was around, I ended up going down to the cafeteria, and it's lucky I knew all the caf. people really well(I was a Junior then), because I was able to talk one of the register guys easily into coming to my room to kill it for me. NO way was I gonna attempt to kill it myself!! Those things FLY!! What if it tried to get me?!? :eek: That was the very first roach I ever had seen in person(Being from California at the time, see.), and oh, I was sooo glad he was able to kill it in one whack! He even took it away for me. (TG)
After that, I never left my window open ever again! :D

Me and roaches, forget it!! hahaha... :D

Kaoru

[Mugu]

:confused: Who? :confused:

Honestly, I'm quite confused!

(I think you should move away from using that word... Nobody is gonna understand it.)

Kaoru

He meant they're smaller since 6'3 is not a normal Asian height. Bear has changed now, so we can stop picking on him. I use funny words sometimes also, but yeh, Toddlers is not a good description :p You sure are the Bear of Doom in Thailand considering your height, lol I have mystical dragon sempai's :D Me - 5'4 V.S. sempai - 6'5, gahahah I need to get a Dragon Slayer shinai (sorry too much UO :p)

[Hisham]

One time during jigeiko with the teacher's assistant, we were in tsubazeriai, and i was trying to get the center as i was thought and bang he hit me with a lightning yokomen, first of there was the suprise since i saw it performed only once back then plus it hurt like hell, i did black out for a sec there but i somehow kept myself from falling unconcious, i surely didn't enjoy it but i learned a good lesson that day as far as what one can do from tsubazeriai, being more alert when facing a sempai whose background is in physicics and painting :D.

[Newbie]

Feh. First (only so far) time I have been in bogu my men was too loose and got smacked by someone who hits like he's trying to club you to death.

That's not so much fun.

It was a good lesson though in making sure your bogu is all on properly! And my kote was too tight and man, did that sting! Oh, and the himo on my do came undone half way through.

I learnt a lot that lesson. I think I'll be a little more careful next time....

[Bear of Doom]

Kaoru: Toddlers = kids (real ones), they do 'Do' on me instead of Kote like others that are shorter, but wasn't really part of the story; thats why it was in a bracket ... and lol, you're scared of bugs too? hahah I can quite imagine the story ... was laughing when I read it :D

Mugu: Glad you're liking the '06 Bear so far (I'm actually always like this ... but I guess I'm new to the internet society, don't quite know the do's and dont's yet ... but thank you all for the patience and guidance) That's quite an extreme height difference there with the 'mystical dragon' ... doesn't that hurt? Oh but wait, you enjoy that :silly:

[Kaoru]

He meant they're smaller since 6'3 is not a normal Asian height. Bear has changed now, so we can stop picking on him. I use funny words sometimes also, but yeh, Toddlers is not a good description :p You sure are the Bear of Doom in Thailand considering your height, lol I have mystical dragon sempai's :D Me - 5'4 V.S. sempai - 6'5, gahahah I need to get a Dragon Slayer shinai (sorry too much UO :p)
Oh, I know he has. :) I just didn't get it. And, I just thought maybe using that word would just remind people of it's original use. Didn't want him to have that stuck to him forever.

Anyway, I see. I forgot that's tall for Asians. hehehe, I've got you beat in the height dept though Mugu-san! I'm only 5 feet! :D Me verses sempai? hahahahaha! I'm a shrimp! When I was doing that Sort-of Ji-geiko(Because sempai let me attack like I was in bogu, which was SO much FUN!! He even blocked some of my cuts, making me change what I was gonna do.) at the godo-keiko in Nov. at the MWKF Taiki, I
felt like an ant compared to the Sempai who did keiko with me!(You remember... The one with the beard. He's so cool!)

What's UO?

Kaoru

[Lloromannic]

Oh, I know he has. :) I just didn't get it. And, I just thought maybe using that word would just remind people of it's original use. Didn't want him to have that stuck to him forever.

Anyway, I see. I forgot that's tall for Asians. hehehe, I've got you beat in the height dept though Mugu-san! I'm only 5 feet! :D Me verses sempai? hahahahaha! I'm a shrimp! When I was doing that Sort-of Ji-geiko(Because sempai let me attack like I was in bogu, which was SO much FUN!! He even blocked some of my cuts, making me change what I was gonna do.) at the godo-keiko in Nov. at the MWKF Taiki, I
felt like an ant compared to the Sempai who did keiko with me!(You remember... The one with the beard. He's so cool!)



Kaoru
I like short people, once I faced someone probably about your height. I made a bet with a dojomate that I could nail him with a katate men straight from sonkyo. I won (not correct manners I know.).

[Ignatz]

I made a bet with a dojomate that I could nail him with a katate men straight from sonkyo. I won (not correct manners I know.).

That used to be allowed. You were closer together at sonkyo with your tips crossed and some people would attack at hajime! I think the Koreans started it but a Japanese guy in Chicago tried it on me. Part of our warm up exercise was a defense where you would be in sonkyo and your partner would stand in front of you and hit men 30 times as fast as he could. You would block and hit do while bouncing up and down. I never got good at the bouncing part because I have really long legs but it was good for balance and hand speed increased. It was funny to see a men attack countered into a do attack before you even got up.

[Lloromannic]

That used to be allowed. You were closer together at sonkyo with your tips crossed and some people would attack at hajime! I think the Koreans started it but a Japanese guy in Chicago tried it on me. Part of our warm up exercise was a defense where you would be in sonkyo and your partner would stand in front of you and hit men 30 times as fast as he could. You would block and hit do while bouncing up and down. I never got good at the bouncing part because I have really long legs but it was good for balance and hand speed increased. It was funny to see a men attack countered into a do attack before you even got up.

We started at thne normal (modern) distance, but I hit Katate Men crossing over the left leg so I was able to reach him and hit him squarely on the head.

[LarsCW]

Odinot sensei told me about this before during keiko and he never mentioned it would be bad manner when you would be able to score directly from sonkyo.

[Bear of Doom]

Hmm I scored like that on many occasions ... including the most recent tournament. I never knew before that it was bad manner :down: ... people do it a lot here, especially Kote straight from sonkyo (I do Men)

Please clarify ... are you sure it's not a correct thing to do during a shi-ai match too? Because nobody ever warned/criticised me about it. Besides the crowd always seem to love it when anyone pulls a move like that :D (not the best reason ...) I can see how it would be considered bad manner during keiko though.

[Ignatz]

Don't know if it is bad manners or if it is considered a valid strike but I seriously doubt that any judge would give you a point for it, at least not here in the U.S. To the extent that they moved the starting position further apart to prevent it, why would they give you a point for doing it? Even when it was closer, I don't think I ever saw anybody ever score doing it.

[Lloromannic]

Hmm I scored like that on many occasions ... including the most recent tournament. I never knew before that it was bad manner :down: ... people do it a lot here, especially Kote straight from sonkyo (I do Men)

Please clarify ... are you sure it's not a correct thing to do during a shi-ai match too? Because nobody ever warned/criticised me about it. Besides the crowd always seem to love it when anyone pulls a move like that :D (not the best reason ...) I can see how it would be considered bad manner during keiko though.

Oh no, I meant that it was bad manners to bet on whether I could nail that little guy straight from sonkyo.

[Kingofmyrrh]

I'm fairly sure that in the last few years the ZNKR sent out a statement specifically asking that this kind of thing not be scored. Don't have anything concrete to hand though.

[Bear of Doom]

Interesting ... thanks guys I'll keep that in mind. I do score points from it though (as in the judges gave them) ... and I did reach my opponents. I can kick myself pretty far with my left especially from sonkyo position because you're practically ready to spring. And yes our starting positions are far apart according to the rules ... but then I guess I have mentioned before in another thread that our senseis here are pretty old-fashioned and conservatives, they like to do things as they knew them in my opinion. However I don't see why it shouldn't be allowed or why judges shouldn't give points for it ... it's a respectable move, if you can deliver it well with proper form ... I mean by the time you hit your body is erected in an upright position, the only thing is the element of surprise. It makes the matches shorter too :D I'm sure the judges who've been standing around the whole day would appreciate that hahah (joke guys ... joke, always have to make that clear here)

Enough of my thoughts, Mr. Ignatz or anyone for the matter, would you be so kind as to educate me on why this is a bad practise? Well not necessarily bad ... but why they would want to prevent people from doing this and not giving points for it? I am dumbfounded ... :nervous:

[Mugu]

I think it is more of bad manner to strike your opponent right from sonkyo. Last week I jigeiko with sensei, he told me things like waiting for your opponent to turn around then strike their Men or something like Sonkyo then go for their Men are just bad manners and not honorable. It's sorta like cheating. So he told me not to do those sorts of things, you'll probably get a bad mark on your dojo's reputation from other dojo if they see these sorts of things.

[KhawMengLee]

I think it is more of bad manner to strike your opponent right from sonkyo. Last week I jigeiko with sensei, he told me things like waiting for your opponent to turn around then strike their Men or something like Sonkyo then go for their Men are just bad manners and not honorable. It's sorta like cheating. So he told me not to do those sorts of things, you'll probably get a bad mark on your dojo's reputation from other dojo if they see these sorts of things.

Er...its one of the most practiced strikes to go for men after your opponent turns. Its his fault if he gets nailed because he has no zanshin.

As for striking from sonkyo...why not? From the word "Hajime" its all open...but usually ppl don't go from this because shinpan might not be looking. He'll be looking left and right to check his position and view... and if you suddenly go for men they might not see.

But still if you can get the hit in...good. Hell, your opponent should be ready anyway.

[LarsCW]

I have been thought to go after my opponent and try to make a point if they don't turn around fast enough.

Most sempai like the fact that I fight with so much spirit going after them after they whacked me trying to get even they see it as good spirit.

Odinot sensei also thought us that we should always be prepaired for a possible attack out of sonkyo and if we could do it that we should do it.

[D'Artagnan]

It is not bad manners to attack somebody when they turn around, nor is it impolite to attack from sonkyo.

these are just silly 'manners myths' like the old 'it's impolite to use tsuki' chestnut...

[DarQik]

I think it is more of bad manner to strike your opponent right from sonkyo. Last week I jigeiko with sensei, he told me things like waiting for your opponent to turn around then strike their Men or something like Sonkyo then go for their Men are just bad manners and not honorable. It's sorta like cheating.I was told to be ready for that at all times. That turning slowly or unprepared is an easy way of losing points in shiai--never do it. One of the sensei even threatens to whack us non-bogu beginner folks if we turn without being prepared to defend. By the same token, I've never heard such strikes encouraged or suggested.

I guess I'll get to find out about this and all the other joys of being whacked later this month when the bogu arrives...

[Mugu]

That's quite interesting that some dojo don't think it is not a bad manner to score like that. Well, what my sensei said was kinda like "you can do it, but it's not nice". If you have good manner, you probably don't do it. I feel this is like a mudansha Tsuki a yudansha kinda thing. It's disrepectful to some people.

[Mugu]

Anyway, I see. I forgot that's tall for Asians. hehehe, I've got you beat in the height dept though Mugu-san! I'm only 5 feet! :D Me verses sempai? hahahahaha! I'm a shrimp! When I was doing that Sort-of Ji-geiko(Because sempai let me attack like I was in bogu, which was SO much FUN!! He even blocked some of my cuts, making me change what I was gonna do.) at the godo-keiko in Nov. at the MWKF Taiki, I
felt like an ant compared to the Sempai who did keiko with me!(You remember... The one with the beard. He's so cool!)

What's UO?

Kaoru

Wait till you fight Chris, he's tall like a mystical dragon and he has kendo-"aura" (the sweat smell) lol

The one with beard... Matt from Valley View?

UO = Ultima Online (long story for the Dragon Slayer shinai if you don't play it)

[Kaoru]

Wait till you fight Chris, he's tall like a mystical dragon and he has kendo-"aura" (the sweat smell) lol

The one with beard... Matt from Valley View?

No, I meant Chris.(Was just wondering if I ought to put his real name, so I didn't. Sorry!) :D I did "fight" him at the Taikai Godo keiko in LaCrosse. haha, I thought he was gonna make me do kirikaeshi or kakari-geiko as we do in class, but he had other ideas... he stood his ground and did a kiai at me! So, I did the same back, and then he tried circling me, and so then, I realised this wasn't gonna be just regular kakari-geiko. :D Golly, it was so much fun! I attacked him and he actually parried some of my attacks, which was fun because it gave me new stuff to think about like, what cut to do back in place of the one I chose. One time he blocked, and I lost my glasses! That was funny! I remember saying, "Wait a minute... Gotta find my glasses." and then getting on my knees to look. I put them back on and then we continued our fight. hehehe, I was sorry I wasn't in bogu, because it wasn't really a fair fight since he couldn't hit me back! It really was fun. He's AWESOME. I can't wait until I am allowed to wear bogu to fight him for real.

Aura? I never smelled anything.(Guess my nose doesn't work...)


UO = Ultima Online (long story for the Dragon Slayer shinai if you don't play it)
Oh, I see. I don't know the game though. Thanks! :)

Kaoru

[LarsCW]

Blocking is usually done when the motodachi thinks you are striking at a wrong moment when they haven't opened yet.

Sounds like you have been doing uchikomi geiko to me kaoru.

[nodachi]

So in terms of the question, enjoy being whacked... I just got to try out my new kote tonight and it is just so much fun to be whacked and not feel a thing! Kinda like those movie clips of little kids wearing cups and taking turns kicking each other in the nuts. I'm happy tonight. :)

[Mugu]

Nodachi, I'm envious of your new Kote. I just got bruised again last night :dead:

Besides that, my sempai hit quite hard on my Men last night. I almost pass out when we were doing Kirikaeshi... looks like I should learn how to block from now on. I got two big bumps on my "yokomen" head now. Overall, I did quite well last night and Jigeiko is still a problem to me. Limit so far is 4 minutes. I'm slowly getting there and I hope one day I can do long hard jigeiko.

[Bear of Doom]

Hmm thanks for all the responses on attacking from sonkyo everyone, appreciate it. So from majority I'd say it's not very nice but no one's stopping me? That's a relief to hear ... it's kind of one of my standard moves if you know what I mean, I'm quite dependent on it as point scorer in tournies haha (but not that dependent, because it's no use against prepared players) I mean nobody ever encouraged me to use it, but nor did anyone discourage me ... I sort of found out one day that it was a good idea and it worked like magic, especially in my high school division tournies :D fun fun ...

Anyways, on topic ... today was the first practise back after the winter break! I was so glad and excited to get going. But heck, the festive season wasn't too kind on our fitness (drinks, food, etc.) after half way through practise people were wheezing all over and ran out of steam ... it was dreadful lol hoping it will get better, because next practise on Monday, our big sensei is coming back and he'll sure get us working to the floor (literally) ... oh yea, I forgot about the story. My sempai ... well technically, he is Nidan but younger, so we have sort of a mutual respect for one another, anyways! He gave me a good whack smacked in the middle on the top of my Men (how he reached still bothered me, for he's average Japanese size, no hehe joke) ... I literally black-outed for a couple of seconds there, got me real woozy. Anyways, it was a fun keiko ^^ very enjoyable. The same bloke bought me Kendo tabi from Japan when we went back for the break (which I received today), very nice of him ... guess he couldn't stand me getting huge blisters on my feet lol (refer to Injuries thread) because ultimately he was always the one ending up helping me dress the wound. Outstanding fellow (or may be he was just sick of doing it ... lol) but yep my right arm is changing colour again ... I see lots of bruises coming up.