styles and competitions

[Grasshopper]

i was just watchin some of the footage on this site of the kendo finals and it seems toned down alot, none of them realy move around or anything.

iv been swinging around swords since i could walk, but never really whent for (or have been interested) in attending a dojo or anything like that, well untill recently at least.

when i spar with my friends we run around like psychos, weaving through trees and useing our enviroment, even if there isnt anything around us, we still rarely stand still and just wait for an attack.

this is the way i have always faught, am i looking at the wrong fighting style to progress in?

is there another sword style or competition that is closer related to how i spar?


-Grasshopper


--if u have anything negative to say, keep it to yourself and save server space on the forums..

[LNGUYEN]

The way you describe your play is very much came from Hollywood or HongKong. The real sword fight is very dangerous and need the consent from adults because the techniques are to hit your opponent, not his sword. Therefore it doesn't look interesting like the movie, no bashing, no flying, and no dancing.

[RC_Kenshi]

iv been swinging around swords . . .

--if u have anything negative to say, keep it to yourself and save server space on the forums..

Can't tell - do you only want positive feedback? If so, "Good for you - keep on swinging around swords".

Now, if you want to learn kendo . . .

1. Put down the sword
2. Get to a legit kendo dojo
3. Pay attention and do what sensei says (even though it doesn't involve "swinging around swords")

RC_Kenshi

[samurai999]

is there another sword style or competition that is closer related to how i spar?


-Grasshopper


Chambara. I'm serious. A former world champion was an 8 yr old i believe.

Tim

[Neil Gendzwill]

is there another sword style or competition that is closer related to how i spar?
Look at chanbara, live action role playing (LARP), Society for Creative Anachronism (SCA) melee combat, or just keep wacking your friends in the woods.

What you're doing now is unrelated to any serious study of swordplay, so I suggest to avoid negative comments, avoid this site. You might be able to find something closer to what you want if you post in the general area at swordforum.com.

[Mr. T.]

Mr Grasshopper,

1. Use capital letters when you begin a sentence.
2. Find a popper dojo.
3. There is a huge difference between playing with swords and swordsmanship.
4. Why did you post this BS in the first place if you don't want to use server space for unnecessary comments?

Sorry if I’m a bit blunt, but you’re asking for it!

[Grasshopper]

The way you describe your play is very much came from Hollywood or HongKong. The real sword fight is very dangerous and need the consent from adults because the techniques are to hit your opponent, not his sword. Therefore it doesn't look interesting like the movie, no bashing, no flying, and no dancing.

im 19, and we do go for body shots, it may be alot like "hollywood" but we have lots of fun and it is serious training, even if it may not be "kendo" or anything.

what im really trying to say is, will learning kendo help me with sword movements and such so that i can incorperate them into the way i fight now, or will i have to learn the style as a whole and having to commit to everything in the style and drop my old movments and patterns.


What you're doing now is unrelated to any serious study of swordplay, so I suggest to avoid negative comments, avoid this site. You might be able to find something closer to what you want if you post in the general area at swordforum.com.

sorry i would have to dissagree with you there, even though what i described to you may seem all "hollywood" and just for show, we actualy do fight seriously and each of us has developed our own unique style. im not looking to devote myself to an entire style, im looking to improove the style that i am already comfortable and rather proficiant with.

[Ignatz]

what im really trying to say is, will learning kendo help me with sword movements and such so that i can incorperate them into the way i fight now, or will i have to learn the style as a whole and having to commit to everything in the style and drop my old movments and patterns.


I don't think kendo has anything to offer you.

[samurai999]

what im really trying to say is, will learning kendo help me with sword movements and such so that i can incorperate them into the way i fight now, or will i have to learn the style as a whole and having to commit to everything in the style and drop my old movments and patterns.
.

If you decide to actually learn kendo, you will have to learn it cold turkey. Like you say, drop your "movements and patterns" all together and start from scratch. Kendo, in general, is a very "restricitive" martial art in terms of that. You don't play out in the forests or woods, you don't run around and swing at each other "wildly". (though ppl do that still in the kyu matches...)

Like I said, chambara is better suited for what you are doing. A lot of things are used in kendo because things like what you did actually mamed, mutilated or killed the practicioners granted that you were using real bokken or real swords.

Tim

[Mr. T.]

Apparently, I'm being ignored or you don't know how to use the shift button on your keyboard. Please, but some effort in your writing. This is not msn.


im 19, and we do go for body shots, it may be alot like "hollywood" but we have lots of fun and it is serious training, even if it may not be "kendo" or anything.

what im really trying to say is, will learning kendo help me with sword movements and such so that i can incorperate them into the way i fight now, or will i have to learn the style as a whole and having to commit to everything in the style and drop my old movments and patterns.

It’s definitely no kendo. Jumping around with sword movements (or something resembling it) reminds me of the XMA stuff. Maybe that’s your thing. Kendo or any other legit art is not. Unless you are willing to give up playing around and start to do serious training (like joining a dojo).


sorry i would have to dissagree with you there, even though what i described to you may seem all "hollywood" and just for show, we actualy do fight seriously and each of us has developed our own unique style. im not looking to devote myself to an entire style, im looking to improove the style that i am already comfortable and rather proficiant with.

Just because you fight seriously doesn’t change the fact that it’s still playing around. You better devote yourself to a style or art and when you get your menkyo kaiden and are an expert in other styles, which is almost impossible, than you can start thinking about formulating a style of your own. If you will keep going down this road, you’ll make an ass out of yourself.

[Neil Gendzwill]

sorry i would have to dissagree with you there, even though what i described to you may seem all "hollywood" and just for show, we actualy do fight seriously and each of us has developed our own unique style. im not looking to devote myself to an entire style, im looking to improove the style that i am already comfortable and rather proficiant with.
Yeah, many of us started out as kids just goofing around like you are. If you don't like being told that's what you're doing, I suggest logging out, 'cause all you'll get is more of the same here.

[misterkurukuru]

G-hop

you should try your stuff out at a dojo. I mean it wouldnt hurt right? if you kick the crap out of them, great! if they kick the crap out of you, great!

where are you anyways? if there is a dojo near by, you should try to take them.

come on people, who would have thought shrooms with pizza is a good combo...it may not taste good but gosh golly you'll have a fun night!

good night now!

[Grasshopper]

first off, i dont care about your issues with my grammer. and yes i was ignoring you, because, once again, i just dont care.

if your trying to get rid of me, im not going anywhere, i think i can still learn somethign here, even if i have to deal with people like T.


see you around



i probebly will kuru, im on long island,NY, but i guess kendo isnt what im looking for, i want to join a dojo where i could learn things to add on to what i already gained through experiance, instead of just throwing that away and starting clean.

cheers

i love shrooms..

[Paikea]

first off, i dont care about your issues with my grammer. and yes i was ignoring you, because, once again, i just dont care.

if your trying to get rid of me, im not going anywhere, i think i can still learn somethign here, even if i have to deal with people like T.


see you aroundTa! Bye now..

[Mr. T.]

first off, i dont care about your issues with my grammer. and yes i was ignoring you, because, once again, i just dont care.

if your trying to get rid of me, im not going anywhere, i think i can still learn somethign here, even if i have to deal with people like T.

bla, bla, bla….

I'm blunt and a beginner but I'm not stupid. The advise I gave you is sincere and well meant. The fact that you decide to ignore me and my advice shows ignorant you are. You don't have any experience except for some playing around in your backyard. You need a clean slate to actually learn a legit sword art, but if you decide to ignore my advise yet again and you'll make yourself look like an idiot, fine by me.

Congratulations, you are the first person on my ignore list. :p

[d33m4n]

First of all,...OMG ! there are actually people who run around with real swords in the woods?

I must agree with most people in this forum, kendo is not for you !
kendo is a highly traditional "sport" and takes a lot of practice and a willingness to learn and be humble to your sensai and sempai,
not to be as blunt as my country-mate mister T, but i think you concider yourself to know a lot all ready.

The reason kendo was developt is because the samurai needed a way to practice swordfighting in a safe way, and even with a bokken there was too
much risk of someone getting hurt,

Maybe fencing is more to your liking?

[Ignatz]

i probebly will kuru, im on long island,NY, but i guess kendo isnt what im looking for, i want to join a dojo where i could learn things to add on to what i already gained through experiance, instead of just throwing that away and starting clean.

You should definitely contact:

Ken Zen Dojo of Long Island
1256 Waverly Ave.
Farmingville, NY
M 6:30pm-7:30pm W 7:30pm-9:00pm Sa 11:00am-12:30pm
Contact: Moses Becerra
(631)543-5685

Make an appointment to see Mr. Becerra and tell him that you are
not looking to devote myself to an entire style, im looking to improove the style that i am already comfortable and rather proficiant with.

Tell him misterkurukuru suggested that you go a couple rounds with him.
Maybe you can show him some stuff.
However, at the end of the day, I think my first reaction was correct, kendo has nothing to offer you.

[tattooedasshole]

first off, i dont care about your issues with my grammer. and yes i was ignoring you, because, once again, i just dont care.

if your trying to get rid of me, im not going anywhere, i think i can still learn somethign here, even if i have to deal with people like T.


see you around



i probebly will kuru, im on long island,NY, but i guess kendo isnt what im looking for, i want to join a dojo where i could learn things to add on to what i already gained through experiance, instead of just throwing that away and starting clean.

cheers

i love shrooms..
It's nice to see ignorance is still making the rounds.
You don't have any "experience" at anything except swinging a stick. If you want to learn a sword art, learn one. If you want to be the greatest stick swinger in the world, by all means continue with what you're doing. Just don't confuse the crap you call swordsmanship with the real thing.

[pgsmith]

I absolutely agree with Ignatz.
I think approaching the instructor openly and telling him that you were instructed by misterkurukuru to ask for a couple of rounds to assess your technique, is a very good idea. A good way to find out if kendo will help you in furthering the development of your unique fighting style.

:)

P.S. Since your written words are the only thing we have by which to evaluate you, writing like a five year old does not enhance your image.

[Anime12478]

There might be something out there for him. But then, the quality of instruction will be MUCH lower than if he took an art like Kendo or Iaido.

You can stick around as much as you like, but every time you post something in the realm of this subject, then you are subject to harsh criticism from everyone here. As far as sticking around for information you might seek, then I suggest you search elsewhere like LARP or something cause you will not find anything that you seek here.

It's understandable to question advice for more clarification, but outright dismissing it without as so much giving it a thought is very childish and irresponsible. We are only trying to help you and you are getting mad because it isn't what you like to hear.

Although I think that you will not listen to my advice, I will just give it anyways. If you ask questions like this on other forums that teach REAL martial arts, then expect to get similar answers. Just be glad that our choice of words are better than what you could potentially get elsewhere.

One thing I would like to see is someone doing this kind of stuff. Not in the LARP sense, but as a "real" martial art.

[shred_lord]

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[nodachi]

I second (or third or fourth) the idea that you should attend a dojo. You will have to start from the beginning, but you will learn some new "tricks". Then when you get to do jigeiko (free sparring) you can "try your style" and I can garauntee you that you get tooled. You will learn that unecessary movements are going to be the end of you. The reason no one moves much is because we gradually learn to remove all unecessary movement so we can efficiently strike. Many people will describe it as old man one hit, one kill (or point or whatever) style. The only reason flashy Hollywood movements work is because they confuse the unexperienced sword practicioner to go for blatant feints and then you hit when they are dumbfounded and confused. If you seriously pay attention to your lessons and really think about it, it will probably ruin your style because you will learn that being more like the non movers that you saw in videos will result in more kills/points/whatever than your flashy stuff. Take our advice or leave it. People are being incredibly patient and not snapping like normal when "your type of sword practicioner" show up refusing to accept that they may be doing something wrong. All I ask is that you do check out a dojo, give it an honest shot and judge from there whether or not "your style" is useful or just a game. I used to do that sort of thing when I was in high school. I thought it was fun. Actually, it was, but I knew it was a game and hadn't discovered any sword martial arts yet. I had fun, but I knew it was just goofing around. It is part of the reason why I find kendo so much fun. Because now I get to play with swordfighting, but I am learning something that is closely connected to "real swordfighting". Give it a chance, tell us your opinions, but if you plan on insisting that your style is fine without trying to seek more information and be willing to accept that you may be wrong, then don't come back.

[yohed55]

This thread is priceless....

[Kat]

I would pay to watch you in Ken Zen.

[ahmed61086]

I would also pay.

[stuartwilson]

Getting back to your original post, high level tournament fighting isn't representative of what you'd do in a Kendo dojo, at least not for a long time. At the same time, Kendo strives to be like real sword fighting, where one good strike ends the contest.

[Hai_hai]

is there another sword style or competition that is closer related to how i spar?
Gymkata... as in the martial art used in the movie Gymkata.

[The great I AM]

Complete waste of space on the forums..

*rummages around* Its here somewhere.....

*delves a little deeper* AHA!

*dusts of the "prick-o-meter"* Ok, let me tune this thing in, and......

EVERYONE GET BACK!!! WE'VE GOT A LIVE ONE!

[samurai999]

*rummages around* Its here somewhere.....

*delves a little deeper* AHA!

*dusts of the "prick-o-meter"* Ok, let me tune this thing in, and......

EVERYONE GET BACK!!! WE'VE GOT A LIVE ONE!

Always going out of your way to overemphasize things, huh? hehe

Tim

[samurai999]

Gymkata... as in the martial art used in the movie Gymkata.


whoops, for a second I thought you said Gymkhana. (car related)

Tim

[The great I AM]

Always going out of your way to overemphasize things, huh? hehe

Tim

I try my best! 作戦終了。　In this case anyway.....

[crabbi]

Trollhopper... may I suggest that the right discipline for you is probably the Dogbrothers style - see http://www.dogbrothers.com .

I am sure that there is a lot that you can learn from each other...

Best of luck little Ninja... there are a lot of bad doggies out there...