SCKO VS SCKF team tournament!

[misterkurukuru]

oH yea baby!!!! Is this going to be the 8th annual, "lets stick it to the SCKF" memorial day team taikai? heck yea! 80% of the USA team will be in the tournament! Here is what the tournament is about. YOu get three people, they can be from your dojo or from other dojos(usually there are no cross federation/organization teams). Then you have the honor to fight team Garedena(the fake one) or team long beach in the finals. Then you get the honor of having made up hansoku called on you so that the otehr team can win.
I once had a 7 dan judge tell me and my oppenent in the middle of shiai, "hey, this is not a tournament, its a shiai. you dont have to get any points because no one is here to win." That was not in anyones favor...it was just kind of odd. So if you like made up calls and kids chucken grape fruits all over the place, then come down to the team tournament. OH is anyone going??? and if you are who is on your team?

[M.K. Kawai]

Where is it and what time does it start? I might just stop by and see what it's all about.

Go SCKF!!!

MKK

[Inouye02]

i wish i was going but our sensei doesn't want us to have anything to with the SCKO..

so i will be there supporting the kurukuru group...

[Confound]

If your kind of self-glorifying ignorant bullshit is normal for whatever organization you're from, MisterKurukuru, no wonder sensible people wanted no part of it.

Wouldn't it be nice if a drive by .45 ended all MrKurukuru's jive....

c

[Inouye02]

confound , why dont you get your facts straight about this matter before you open your mouth

[Confound]

It doesn't take much to get facts straight when someone is such an ill-spoken peon. Kurukuru is always talking as though he's the king gangster defending his drug turf and his homies. I sincerely find it hard to believe that he practices kendo at all, and if he does, I don't understand what kind of federation would put up with his trash talking.

At this point, I don't even care what his deal might be. The critical facts here are that we had a relatively civilized forum before kurukuru, and now all we talk about is the vagaries of California's kendo politics, and and continually subjected to misterkurukuru's big mouth, as he repeatedly threatens to lay the wrestling-style smackdown on anyone and everyone.

It's tiresome.

c

[1031Kenshi]

Does anyone here know the concept of Kendo? or the purpose of practicing Kendo?

[aru-ma]

I guess most of us do, the purpose for practicing kendo is different for everyone, as for the concep I let someone else answer it, it's to early to type amything that long, besides I just woke up. (07:00AM)

[misterkurukuru]

confound...this is a big shiai filled with some of the best kenshi in the USA. If a SCKF team can over come the bad judging and cheating of the SCKO, it is a great accomplishment. Do you have rivalries where you do kendo? Have you ever been in a shiai that has great importance? No? Hmmm, and yet you want to comment on competitive kendo when you know nothing about it….I don’t know if that is a good idea. Oh I have to say something really stupid; otherwise this would not be a Mr. Kurukuru post! You must have PMS or something, its okay, I understand, that time of the month is not a very nice time. Thanks for reading my posts!

[misterkurukuru]

Does any one have anthing to say about the SHIAI? If you want to bash me so much, make the I HATE KURUKURU thread. I also wanted to ask if anyone named thier team?

[Inouye02]

is there going to be a kurukuru , tenken, moocow team ? now that will be awesome

[Confound]

We do have competitive kendo over here in Japan, hardly a shock. My particular renmei is heavily competitive, actually. We do very well in tournaments, we recently sent someone to the Todofuken ( or is it the Tofudoken... too many kanji) tournament in Osaka, and we had a very good showing at a recent local tournament as well.

However, our motivation for doing shiai is very different from what yours seems to be. We go to shiai to test our kendo, to see how well we can do under pressure, to see other people's kendo, to have shiai with people we don't often get to practice with, or have never practiced with before. Tournaments aren't an ego trip. We don't go to shiai to humiliate others, or to prance around like idiots and trash talk.

As for shiai with great importance, every match is important.

If the best kenshi in the United States will be at this tournament, one can only guess that the entire United States World Cup team will be there as well. Is the World Cup team entirely from California? Can any reliable person provide a list of the individuals who will be representing the United States at the World Cup? I checked the All United States Kendo Federation website, but they had no delegation member list.

Need I remind you, Mr Kurukuru that assume makes an ass out of you before it does me. My shiai experience is limited, I've only participated in three tournaments, but I have attended many, many more.

Lastly, can you provide any evidence of cheating and bad judging, beyond unsubstantiated finger pointing and raving? If cheating is so rampant, why are the 'best kenshi' lending legitimacy to this tournament by attending?

I see no need to address any of the other nonsense in your post, it smacks of don lubo.

c

[misterkurukuru]

you assume stuff to..thank you very much my sister in being an ASS!

[misterkurukuru]

oh i saw sensei betting money on who would win a division right before they went out to judge on diffrent courts...judges betting on kendo....i dont know about that. AAAAANNNNNNNNNDDDDDDD
thanks again sister in ASS for making ASSumtion about me! we are to cheeks from the SAME ASS! it must make you happy that i am around!

[KhawMengLee]

oh i saw sensei betting money on who would win a division right before they went out to judge on diffrent courts...judges betting on kendo....i dont know about that.

So that's how you win tournemants, eh?

Are you refering to "a" sensei or "your" sensei? Maybe if you learn to construct proper sentences...


you assume stuff to..thank you very much my sister in being an ASS! thanks again sister in ASS for making ASSumtion about me! we are to cheeks from the SAME ASS! it must make you happy that i am around!

Hmnnn...are you sure you're not retarded? A yondan acting like you do...childish...or maybe you emulate Jay and Silent Bob too much.

[misterkurukuru]

I love jason mews and kevin smith! my sensei wasnt even at that tournament...and my sensei was picked as one of 4 judges from america to judge for the WKC...hmmm ASS! And if all you can be is the Grammar patrol, then thats just weak, i mean week, wiek? waeik^%##! oh no, i am the worstest peronsages in the worlds,,, becauses me can)(t type. You are too smart for me...let me be in awe of your brain power!

[M.K. Kawai]

Confound,

There is a list of members of the US Team in the thread called "Delegations". It was posted by Inouye.

MKK

[samurai999]

Hey kurukuru, your complaints (although I hate to admit it :D) are exactly the same as a sensei from the PNKF was complaining to me about at the US Champs.

He pointed to me and said, " You So Cal guys do that EVERY taikai (he was pointing to the SCKO side)". I said, "Huh? I have only been in kendo for 3 years. I'm actually from the North." His reply was,"Oh! Well in that case, I'll tell you what they do. They stay quiet until about 30secs until the buzzer sounds. Then they start shouting, yelling and clapping. Thats how they know when the buzzer is going to ring. They cheat like this every year and I might file a formal protest".

One more thing mrkurukuru. Lemme guess who your sensei is.. Shikai sensei? He is usually the prominent one from the south that is chosen from the US. Guy does some crazy waza (i call one "the helicopter" because I have no other way of explaining it), competes in the 4dan and up div because he is too strong to play in the seniors class. Truly amazing..

Tim

[misterkurukuru]

haha yes...i have been hit by the helicopter men for the past 12-13 years. He is a strong sensei and he gives me my space when i need it. Too bad SCKO does not invite the northen people to the team shiai, then we would truely have a great Shiai!Oh and if SCKO does invite the north, its too bad no one comes...but i dont think they send you guys a letter. But if you ever come down during memorial day, i think you can get on a team! come down next year or something, you can see all the madness!

[Inouye02]

sckf/nckf/scko ? sounds like a great tournament for the making ...

[dorkusxmaximus]

what i heard from my friend is that Shikai sensei does a whole bunch of crazy matrix-like moves. i want to see that ^_^. I saw him at Steveston, but he was only the judge.

[moocow65]

ah yes, i still remember the first annual tournament. 14-17 year group finals: the TIGERS vs. the RAINBOWS. hahahahah. it was a close match between all of us who were either from the same dojo or who were friends. but sure enough, the TIGERS won. yeah! then our team went into the yudansha division, and we should have won that division too, but we lost to long beach in the finals due to some questionable points. come on man, i got hit on the shoulder from a person doing kote from tsubazariai. and it counted!!! well, i guess they didn't wanna have a bunch of kids winning the yudansha division. but the following year the TIGERS/MUGEN team won both 14-17 and the yudansha division. as for the judging... in that year, it was kinda questionable too. in the semi-finals, i think i broke my opponents shinai and he went to go change it. while he was doing that, i turned around real quick, and they gave me a hansoku!!! they gave me weird hansoku twice, and he got a point! meh, but i beat him anyways, much to the judges' demise haha. but other weird hansoku were for pushing, then hitting men, then you pushing (tai atari) again, and the king of all hansoku: not holding the shinai "properly" which means not having the right hand up all the way on the tsuka so your kote is touching the tsuba. don't get me wrong tho, it's a really fun shiai cause you can make your own teams and name them. the TIGERS have retired, but it is now time for their protege, the WAYNEBOW TIGERS to test their skills. go TEN-KU-COWs! (heavenly cows).

[misterkurukuru]

Wyanebow tigers!?!?!?!
oh man, only a few more weeks left!
will i finally get to fight all of my fav. scko chumps?
osama, oyaji, choco ball, and that freaken gimp that told me i that he wouldnt give me another point because you cant get points doing the same waza twice in a match, what the F!!!!!!!! they better not be judges for my court!

[Inouye02]

next year the ( SCI ) will send their team to this shiai..

[Confound]

I look forward to hearing endless complaining about the biases of the judges, the spectators, the poor quality of the food, the weather, the lack of proper opponents, and all other things that are contrary to the spirit of good kendo.

c

[PhilMcLaughlin]

There's an argument that goes along the lines of

"those who view shiai as the totality of kendo are simply incapable of understanding kendo"

ymmv

[Inouye02]

you know you are bitten by the kurukuru bug , when all you do is think about the KWF wanting to be online, reading what the kurukuru man has posted

[William Honda]

Phil,

Do you understand what kendo is?

[Confound]

No, you know you're locked in a war with an idiot when you can't even have a single thread on kendo world forums without the interference of the SCI and their tide of filth and nonsense.

c

[m_french]

My dearest Confound why would you expect not to encounter a single person from california on a thread that was specifically designed to comment on california kendo?!?!?!?! The fact of the matter is you search the forums looking for Kurukuru and inouye and the other members of the SCI (should be SCKI but that is the subject of another thread) because we are the only people whose skin you don't irritate, while kurukuru has definatley gotten under yours! you do not see him running through the forum complaining about your posts, but you can't seem to help the continued refference to him or his freinds........he has suckered you in with his WAZA........IPPON KURUKURU.:beard:

[William Honda]

No, you know you're locked in a war with an idiot when you can't even have a single thread on kendo world forums without the interference of Confound and her tide of filth and nonsense.

Hehehehehehehe.

Aru-ma has turned me into a jerk.

[Inouye02]

hey french , you know she cant live without us anymore, but what makes her think everyone is from california,

hey honda welcome back , confound just has to go into every forum there is even if she doesnt know shit , i guess shes lonely? or pissed that our buddy kurukuru is more popular then her now ..

over 700 posts now what does that tell you ..

[M.K. Kawai]

I won't be at the tourney :( I'll be out of state that weekend and won't be back till wednesday night. And, I was looking forward to seeing our guys do some major butt-kicking :angry:

Hope our guys do good :)

MKK

[misterkurukuru]

oh boy the tournament is this week! THe shotokyo team is pretty good. Shinada, harada, and is it abe or suh? either way thats a good team. I wonder if torrance will bust out the good old yang, yang, kitajima team?oh i wish Udon was still around so that moocow can break the rest of his ribs and shinai! That was so freaken funny! oh yea!!! Osama and oyaji better not judge for me!

[doubissu]

So how do we recognize kurukuru in the crowd this weekend ? Sounds like a good spanking is in order...

Eddy

[misterkurukuru]

You gonna be in the tournament bro? IF you are, i have been waiting for someone to lay the smackdown on me! I welcome the butt kicking, that is if your are going to do it to me. If your not in the tournament, uhhh whats up with you posting on this thread?

[doubissu]

Oh, I'll be there; can't wait to see what you're made of :-)

[Karrion]

If it's in this thread I can't find it. I'd like to at least come out and cheer on my dojo(assuming I don't have to work that day).


Karrion

[Inouye02]

how do we recognize you doubissu?

[Inouye02]

it will be at Osaka Sangyo, (studio city ? )

[misterkurukuru]

man that gym gets hot and stinky! It is also so so very small! guess its japanese size or something, the rims are about 8 1/2 feet up and it looks like it was painted with Mc Donald's red! by the way, there is a Mc Donald's by the gym, you can walk there too! but....it is kinda crapy. Oh well if you are gonna be at the tournament mr.doubissu it should be fun! who is on your team? what dojo are you guys from? what group are you in? did your team make up a fun name?

[Hongsermeier]

kurukurusan....If you think the guys team from Shotokyo is good, try to watch the woman's team. My wife is on it. I'm not sure how she'll do. She's just getting over strep.

[Neil Gendzwill]

You mention Shotokyo, which dojo is that? Is the Harada that was mentioned Glen Harada? I thought he was at San Jose these days? (Hi, Glen, if you're listening in).

[moocow65]

no, it's a different harada.

[Hongsermeier]

Neil...You are correct. Glen is at San Jose. I just moved to SoCal last year. His wife was pregnant when I moved. So he should have a new baby at home.

[misterkurukuru]

Brandon Harada...famous for his straight men. He almost made the worlds team. Hongsermeier san, is your wife'steam going to me be mi-chan, mayura, and your wife? if so that is a good team. two people on the USA worlds team and one person that should be on the usa worlds team! Hey sounds like my team! Shotokyo people have awesome stamina. i think that will carry them through a lot of matches.

[Hongsermeier]

Kurukuru san..That is the team. You think my wife should be on US team? Have you seen her fight before? I'm sure Arima Sensei would thank you for the compliment on our stamina.

[William Honda]

Hongsermeier,

Your location says Camarillo - and you practice at Sho Tokyo??????

Ouch!!

William

[misterkurukuru]

I have seen your wife fight a few times, he has good speed and quick feet. I think the rest of the ladies in the USA have something to worry about if she every wants to enter the USA team. Arima sensei and the kakari keiko drills..... You should have seen him when he had a fro back in the days...i think i was about 1 or 2 years old...i have seen pics and it is too funny!

[Hongsermeier]

Honda san...yep looooong drive sometimes, 60 miles 1 way. The things you do to get a good sensei.

Kurukuru san ....She's not thinking about becoming citizen untill after the next kid. That will happen after the next all US championships.

[samurai999]

Originally posted by Hongsermeier
Kurukuru san..That is the team. You think my wife should be on US team? Have you seen her fight before? I'm sure Arima Sensei would thank you for the compliment on our stamina.

Man those conditioning drills at Sho Tokyo must be killer. I'm sure I'd wheeze through them like I wheeze through practice. :D

There was this cool one at SJ dojo before the US nats. Matsuda sensei had us do in one set.. kirikaeshi, uchikomi, kakarigeiko. Rotate.. repeat. This went on for like 6 or 7 sets.. i was dying.

Tim

[samurai999]

Originally posted by doubissu
So how do we recognize kurukuru in the crowd this weekend ? Sounds like a good spanking is in order...

Eddy

Your name sounds familiar, were you in norcal for a while?

Tim

[William Honda]

Doubissu,

You do not state whether you are participating or watching. Will you say?

I'm just curious, if you are participating, I'd like to watch your kendo.

[Inouye02]

ever notice how these people never respond, must be scared of the kurukuru oyabun ,

[Hai_hai]

Are all the top kendo players from Southern California?

[Hongsermeier]

Hai Hai...maybe not all, but a large number of them.

Tim...you'd love our practices.

[yoonc88]

Brad-Your making me jealous with your new southern cal training. Come back up and share the wealth....maybe I teach you to play mahjong sometime...bring your checkbook.

[Hongsermeier]

Yoon...maybe next time I get a 4 day weekend. I do need to take a trip up to Napa for some wine. Would be fun to come to Godo Keiko.

[William Honda]

Dobissu,

I see you.

[Karrion]

So, how'd it go? I had to work and couldn't make it.


Karrion

[misterkurukuru]

I went against two of my former sensei at the tournament, and one of my senpai. Takei san and Oh san started at chuo when i was about 12 years old. They both left my dojo to become head sensei of other dojos, so both men are very skilled. I have much respect for both men so there were no cheap shots thrown during our shiais. Yoshinori goya is my senpai. When we went up my team already had the match won. so we kept it nice and clean. I had three clean matches. I saw that Canadian guy there. he knock people down while they were doing zanshin, and he had too much power in his right arm so his kamai was not straight. He seemed to have a alot of heart though, and that is always nice to see at a shiai. He lost 1 zero to danny yang(not bad) and he might have tied or lost by one to Oh sensei. does Anyone have comments about mocows mens at the end? after our loss, Oh sensei came and apologized to me because he knew that his team got a lot of help from the judges. I thanked him and told him it was fine. Oh sensei is a very repectable person. I think torrance won.

[William Honda]

Moocow was robbed. Judging I thought was inconsistent (that is all I’ll say).

Kurukuru, I no think judges like your kendo….I no think they give you anything but clean obvious yukodatostu.

Dobissu can kick me around the court but I thought he was fighting for the tie and not to win. He was hanging tough though, (especially with Yang) but did not appear to have winning mindset. Maybe that is your style or, maybe more due to your opponents. There are more tournaments so this may be a premature assessment.

I did not think too much of the shoving.

Dobissu tied Oh and lost by one to Yang.

Torrance did take first in mens.

The Kurukuru zekken made it onto the court!

[doubissu]

Boy that was fun ... We had a tough draw and got our asses kicked (although our kyu teams were quite good considering their lack of experience). My legs were in bad shape, so yeah I guess I compensated badly with my right arm; thanks for the comment though, I'll check out the video.

I didn't know who Yang & Oh sensei were so I fought them like anyone else. I found them pretty cocky (of course I wouldn't say that now that I know who they are...), both doing zanshin standing in front of me after a very lousy men. Sorry, but the consequence of that is you're going to find yourself flying.

On the other hand it was kinda funny to see kurukuru-debu roll around the court... That guy has a pretty awsome kikentai (like all his team members) but doesn't move much... After all this bragging it would've been nice to see something looking like a point from you (specially during your third match !).

yup Tim, that's me.

Eddy

Had a chat with Hongsermeier & French, both not fighting :-( Maybe next time we'll do a NoCal gaijin team. We can call ourselves the GaijinSanKyodai

[dorkusxmaximus]

congrats, man. you did good compared to my friend who got whooped.

[misterkurukuru]

You don’t through cheap shots at senpai and sensei. That just shows your kendo level. Hmm about me not winning, my job in the team was to not loose. As tashio it is hard to win. It is also hard to loose a match in 3 min, but you found a way to do it…I don’t think his point was clean though( wouldn’t you agree?). Our plan was for tenken to win and for moocow and I to tie. Our plan did not work and we lost. there is history between me and two of the shinpan. I will tell you about it if you want next time we meet, you may understand more about the situation...I don’t think you care about SCKF politics though. Did you mean DEBU or DEBUT? If it was debu….I have a lot of personal cracks I can say about you(Starting with a certain article of clothing ).if its debut, I will keep things civil, but don’t start the trash talk unless you want to be ridiculed in return. For a guy that tied and lost…I wouldn’t open my mouth…you did not even get out of the round robin. Go back to SD and learn how to do kendo with out taking cheap shots. No matter what I say on KWF, I have respect for all my opponents when we do SHIAI. It is my duty as a kenshi and as a HUMAN to do so. ohh yea..we were the last group to go....darukatta ze! nijikan mo matta yo! atleast you got to go first! honto ni darukatta ze! lets stop the $hit taliking. I think we both have said enough...i promise to keep it civil now okay! next time i visit SD i will buy you a coke to show my good will...you might have to remind me though. I treat people better in person then on KWF. ooohh yeaaa Hongsermeier's kid was cute as heck!

[Karrion]

Blast sounds like I missed a good one.


Karrion

[Inouye02]

oh my oh my, that was a good tournament on sunday, got to see lots of good kendo , but sadly again the shimpaning has got to be consistent, judges should put aside what they think about someone and judge fairly. I'm sure the people who saw the WAYNEBOWS last match it clearly showed bad judging especially from the sckf . i mean for tenken to lose by 2 points? come on how rare is that? for moocow to hit at least 5 good mens and not get a point ? hmmmmm and for some sensei to say well you were going for 2 points , when it clearly showed he came back to kamae before striking again ..moocow doesnt hack like that...

mrkurukuru thanks for busting out the zekken, you should of seen the raised eyebrows and the questions about it , where is zimbabwe ? is that so n so wearing that ? it was funny..especially the sensei who said the meaning was just like the way you act ..

oh and Chinen Sensei, i didnt see much but he did Jodan in the tournament , awesome , really awesome.

Hongsermier it was a pleasure meeting you , your wife is one tough woman out on the court,

next year the VENICE VAGRANTS hopefully will be able to compete..

[Inouye02]

nancy who was your friend ?

[dorkusxmaximus]

It was a while back ago, Jamie. Danny Yang did a crazy tsuki that sent my friend slamming down the floor. haha it was funny, but a total shock =X.

[doubissu]

Wow, some conscience and creative thought from our zimbabwe man. Happy to see you have an honest kendo. Let me remind you that I don't go around this forum bragging about how good I am. You expose yourself to cheap shots...

I agree, the point against you wasn't all that clean, but that's not the issue. You and your team lost because you couldn't find a way to score when they needed you to. I don't have a problem admitting that we lost because I didn't find a way to score, it's all right we're all big boys and girls here, no shame in admitting.

Great zekken kurukuru, you've got balls. Gee, a coke ? I'll bring the rhum.

Eddy

[doubissu]

Saying that the judging was bad or inconsistent is really not creative. I'm sure this subject was covered already in this forum, but really, come on, do you think saying this has any value ?? Sounds like a conspiracy theory... I hope no one here goes around teaching students this kind of attitude cause that won't get them started in the right direction.

If the points weren't given, maybe they weren't convincing enough ??? Maybe the judging DID suck but so what ?? Shouldn't one try to raise above that ? Hmmm, that sounds like real life doesn't it ?

I thought the judging was ok. It was as inconsistent as the teams were. I was pretty impressed by Park-sensei, no flag wobbling there...

Eddy

Flag-wobbling: situation where a flag goes up-down rapidly due to the bearer's lack of confidence. Also seen when flag trembles, the bearer of it waiting for main ref to raise one first.

[moocow65]

Congrats to this tournament for taking the number one spot in my book of all-time bad judged tournaments beating out the 2002 steveston tournament where every match had 5 gougis and in the semi-final match, the judges told me i was doing nito wrong when they had no freaking clue what they were talking about. now, this is new to me, but i guess if you beat someone down so badly, the shinpans have to raise the bar of a yuko datotsu to make the match fair. that was what happened in my match. after getting the first point in 10 seconds or so, i hit another pretty good, countable men, but they didn't take it. so i hit another, and another, and another. threw in a couple of kotes where one shinpan raised a flag, and kept pounding clean mens on my opponent for the duration of the match which was about 2 minutes. i guess by not taking my first clean men, they couldn't take my other mens that were just as good cause then they would be doing INCONSISTENT judging and that would be a bad thing. no no, they would rather have the whole freaking crowd and spectating sensei wonder what the hell is going on. well after doing 2 minutes of "men no uchi" on my "motodachi" time ran out, and i only won 1-0 when i had to win 2-0. kurukuru then tied and we lost. it's pretty bad, when your opponents apologize for the judges. now, maybe my 700 mens i hit on my opponent had a little room for doubt so i let it go..... except for ONE MEN. it was so clean, i myself could not find anything wrong with it. mind you, that was not the main reason why this was the worst judging tournament of all time. i was watching the little kids' match, cause they were from my dojo. well during the match one guy from the head table was calling yame, but the shushin didn't notice. my kid hit a kote, and he raised the flag, while the fukushin (sensei from my dojo, and his back was towards the guy yelling yame!!!) was signalingyame. well after a 10 minute gougi, the match resumed with my kid getting the kote, but it didn't start then either. the shushin called gougi again before anything happened!!! then the shushin says shoubu. you only say shoubu when both guys have 1 point. clearly he did not know how to shinpan and it was embarassing. anyways, questionable judging to say the least, and i will take a 3 year hiatus again from this tournament. see you at steveston 2004.

[Takuya]

kurukuru you are the most pathetic excuse of a man. You were robbed again?Wow...do we see a pattern here? Is there some major conspiracy or is it just the case you suck.

[samurai999]

Originally posted by Takuya
kurukuru you are the most pathetic excuse of a man. You were robbed again?Wow...do we see a pattern here? Is there some major conspiracy or is it just the case you suck.

heyheyhey.. Did you participate at the tourney? Did you actually see what happened? Though kurukuru likes to openly "talk about his matches", it doesn't mean that other people can come in questioning his stuff. After a shiai, we all discuss judging in some shape or form, don't we? Also, it's not like you have to actually look at what he says.

Well as for the bad judging that seems to have happened at the tourney.. I also have to admit that there are some sensei out there that really don't know what the heck they are doing. These are the same sensei that get pointed out at shimpan seminars because they don't know the meaning of keeping a proper "triangle" or how to keep the proper vision on both kenshi. No disrespecting sensei here since I will always accept what is given to me in the "spirit of good sportsmanship", but my thoughts on it are this.. If you have been doing kendo for a while and have the rank of at least 4dan, then you should at least have a fairly good idea what a good point is and should be able to spot it easily in a match.

Tim

[Hongsermeier]

Was nice meeting everyone this weekend. Had a good time, but really wish I could have participated. Except in that one match where the guy got hit in the back of the shoulder. What a couple bruisers.
Kurukuru..Thanks for the comment on the kid. My back is still sore from carrying him around.
Doubissu..Always up to participate in a taikai. Only way to get better is to play.
On to the wife. She wasn't really up for this taikai. We just got back from Japan about 2 weeks ago. She admits she played like crap her second match. Then to face Harada Sensei in the second round. She did fair, but can do better. I'm taking her to the gym tonight to work out to get ready for the So Cal championships.

[Inouye02]

Originally posted by Takuya
kurukuru you are the most pathetic excuse of a man. You were robbed again?Wow...do we see a pattern here? Is there some major conspiracy or is it just the case you suck.

just another case of KWFI members side busting again where they dont belong, another one of confounds henchmen..ahahaa

[William Honda]

Park Sensei calls it like he sees it. Very definite and clear.

[dorkusxmaximus]

Anyone that goes in here (not from California or who wasn't apart of that taikai) with their two cents better has some knowledge of what goes on in Southern California. Instead of being ignorant and come in here to call people names. What is name calling or putting down a person going to do?

[misterkurukuru]

I didnt say i was robbed takuya you freaken idiot. I tied 3 times and that was that. You need to shut your pie hole!

[Kiki]

All in all I enjoyed myself. Both my matches were hard fought. Ended with a tie and a loss. When the flags went up in my last match I really thought it was my point but it wasn’t. I don’t have any regrets but I sure know where I need improvement.

Kudos to the ShoTokyo women and Ms Takada from LB, very strong. The last few yudansha matches were particularly exciting. Sorry for those of you who didn’t stick around to watch. Mr. Yang was HOT!

moocow65 san, I may be a junior member who doesn’t know smack about kendo but I do know the difference between good and bad sportsmanship be it on or off the court. “Motodashi” is that anyway to refer to your opponent? If you knew that sensei you would never be so rude. He’s got a lot of integrity. What kind of example are you setting for us kouhai? So, even though I also thought you scored several times, I gotta tell you - the flags were as still as death until your last point.

Kurukuru san, I though you had a lot of guts to wear your Zimbabwe tare. It brought a smile to my face. However, it was probably your powerful jump/stomp just before entering the court in your 3rd match that did you in with the judges. I figured even if you scored, without it being 100% obvious you were not going to get any flags. I don't like to see personal opinion interfere with the judges decisions under any circumstances but it’s usually not a good idea to provoke them.

Next tournament, now that I have an idea who some of you are, I’ll be sure to say ‘hi’. My post shiai drink of choice is vodka + a big splash of blue gatoraid over ice.
I’ll be sure to bring enough to share.

Cheers!

[Inouye02]

Park Sensei is a good judge

[moocow65]

kiki, don't take my posts so personally. i didn't mean to insult my opponent like that. i was just venting my frustration out on the shinpans. even tho i don't believe in that sempai kohai crap (that stuff belongs in japan), i treat most people with respect. was that guy i went against really a sensei? well anywho, i know the flags were being frozen, that's why i kept on attacking. but yeah, i apologize for what i said, i didn't mean for it to sound that way. but after losing by cheap points, having the shinpan raise the wrong flag when they should have raised my flag, and hitting several countable points and not getting anything, it starts to get to me. but hey, i accept the judges' decision as final, well during the match, and then afterwards that's when the questioning and complaining and at times whining comes into play. whatever, i gotta go to sleep, i have secret kendo practice tomorrow at 6 am.

[Hongsermeier]

moocow65....6 am?? your nuts!!! I start work at 6 am. I have a hard enough time doing that, much less Kendo at that hour. Hope to see you at Sho Tokyo practice again, then out for some ramen and a couple beers.

[Kiki]

Sumimasen moocow65 san, I’ll try not to get be so reactive up in the future. My Irish/Mexican blood sometimes gets the better of me. He’s a real stand-up guy and I have know him for a long time, way before I started kendo. Actually I considered he may even have referred to himself as your ‘motodashi'. Regardless, he the kind of guy who would take what you said in stride and reflect on his kendo.

BTW, he just earned his yondan in November after starting back with kendo two years ago following about a 15 year absence. Yondan counts as sensei at my dojo but I am sure you hold a higher rank.

That’s my story and I’m sticking to it!
Ciao

6am!!

[misterkurukuru]

KiKi, do you go to OSULA? Next tournament is southern cal championships for the SCKF so i dont think you guys are going to be there. Guess who also got third a nesei week? I think the next tournament that SCKO is going to be in is nisei week, so see you there. takei sensei and i used to have the great 1 kyu vs 3 dan matches at chuo. He doesnt seem like he is 90 feet tall anymore!

[M.K. Kawai]

Wish I were there :(

I'm sure I'll see many of you before the So Cal Championships. So I'll get the lo-down of what really happened.

Thanks for the pic Inouye. I'll go sell it on E-Bay for $100 a pop... Hahahahahaha :D

MKK

[Inouye02]

i have a video kawai sensei..

e-bay ? it will worth more on the KWF

[Hai_hai]

Originally posted by Confound
...Kurukuru is always talking as though he's the king gangster defending his drug turf and his homies....

That's "gangsta". They way you used "Gangster" and "homies" in the same sentence was so uncool. It's like a poorly written dialogue from "Degrassi High", but it's actually for real. Forgive me for not using Canada's best television show, "Beachcombers", in my insult.

[Hai_hai]

Originally posted by 1031Kenshi
Does anyone here know the concept of Kendo? or the purpose of practicing Kendo?

Answer to the first question, yes.

Answer to the second question, yes.

[M.K. Kawai]

Video!!!!

Now I gotta have a copy of that :cool:

MKK

[Hongsermeier]

Inouye02..Do you have the ability to edit and make copies of your video? I have some of the Sho Tokyo vs Sho Tokyo match you could add.

[Inouye02]

hongsermier, yes i can add your video to my video, wednesdays i'm at venice dojo , drop on by sometime...

Jamie

[Hongsermeier]

I'll give french a call and try to get it to him.

[Inouye02]

yabba dabba dooo

[m_french]

I'd be happy to facilitate this union, I'll I ask is a copy of the tape. I had to leave early to take my son home and didin't get to see the best action:beard:

[Inouye02]

just bring the blank tapes to me

[SirFingerLickin]

A little late, but I just thought I'd toss in my 2 cents on the tournament. I was there, but only in the adult kyu group. We didnt make it out of the round robin either. My team was called the Fish Mob, part of the UCSD group that went. We didnt do too well. I cant really complain. I lost my first match by a point, and tied my second, my own fault entirely. Havent gotten around to watching the tape, but I thought I got a couple decent shots in. Oh well.

Anyway, I saw Mr.Kurukuru's matches(you may remember me. You met me at Shimizu sensei's house. Tall skinny asian guy from San Diego). I was surpsied to see K. Chinen lose. Granted I wasnt paying much attention to the match due to a lack of sleep and a small attention span, so i cant say much. OTOH, I too thought Itokazu should have been awarded more points in that match.

[dorkusxmaximus]

are you from yamamoto sensei's dojo?

[SirFingerLickin]

Yes I am. I see your from Seattle. Do you know Terry Slosson? I know Yamamoto sensei's son practices up there also.

[Kiki]

Was this UCSD debut shiai? I don't recall seeing you all before.
An impressive showing. How many kenshi in you dojo? I am sure UCSD motivated the UCLA club that's just getting started...

[misterkurukuru]

hey sirfingerlicken! hope you are doing well!
I tired that gun game a fw days ago and i must give you major props on your shooting skills! I know we dont know each other too well, but i will prob. see you next school year. I willtry to make it down there atleast twice. See you around and if anyones asks you about me, tell them that i am really a 3kyu!

[SirFingerLickin]

This was my second tournament, first one being the North-South. We're actually the SCKF San Diego dojo, but because theres a different San Diego dojo for the SCKO, we decided to enter as the UCSD kendo club. A few of the other kenshi who came, this was their first tournament. Most of us are all pretty new. We have a fairly big dojo, mostly comprised of kyu's, and with several San-Dan's, and of course Yamamoto sensei, and a few other sensei's whose schedules fluctuate and cant make it to every practice. Every quarter we have a large group of new students join the club, but only a few stick around for the long haul. We have about 15-20 regulars, and then about 20-25 new students at the start of the quarter. Naturally theres plenty of fallout as time passes.

That'd be cool if somehow we inspired that in UCLA. Albeit unintentional, but good luck with that.

And thanks for the props mr.K. I'm a pretty big gaming nerd, so its to be expected. I hope you guys do come down. It'd be great to have a visit from you guys. Not too long ago a few sensei's from Norwalk came down and practiced with us for a day and it was some good experience.

So will I see any of you at the SoCal Championships on sunday?

[Inouye02]

maybe mrikuiku can join his brother mr kurukuru, i hear he's going to come to america in a few weeks ,

[dorkusxmaximus]

yeah i know terry and yamamoto sensei's son. I'm good buddies with his son, and not to mention his kendo guinea pig.

[misterkurukuru]

Yeah i will be there! see you sunday!

[m_french]

Originally posted by SirFingerLickin
So will I see any of you at the SoCal Championships on sunday?

Wouldn't miss it. I'll see ya in the adult KYU division:beard:

[Hongsermeier]

Looking to Sunday Mr. French. Hopefully will see you 3 or 4 rounds into it and not in the first round. :cross_eye

[m_french]

I'm always happy if I can get out of the first round........and not to be dammed to the role of proffessional kendo spectator.:beard:

[Hongsermeier]

If you are unlucky enough to lose in the first round, then you can be the "official" video man. I'll have my camera along, but don't know If I'll be able to use it. I hope I'll be to busy. :cross_eye

[Inouye02]

you guys are meet the dangerous honda that far in ...wahahahahaha

[doubissu]

Originally posted by misterkurukuru
I willtry to make it down there atleast twice. See you around and if anyones asks you about me, tell them that i am really a 3kyu!

Wohoooo ! When ! When !

[Inouye02]

He pointed to me and said, " You So Cal guys do that EVERY taikai (he was pointing to the SCKO side)". I said, "Huh? I have only been in kendo for 3 years. I'm actually from the North." His reply was,"Oh! Well in that case, I'll tell you what they do. They stay quiet until about 30secs until the buzzer sounds. Then they start shouting, yelling and clapping. Thats how they know when the buzzer is going to ring. They cheat like this every year and I might file a formal protest".

Oh man , I was at the Torrance tournament yesterday and that happened on one of the courts, and he was asked "are you cheating " he just looked and smiled....some guy from the SCKO Gardena Dojo...And in the Team Shiai, it was Long Beach vs Venice..Venice down by 2 points, their Taisho takes a Divacs Flop, he was hurt sooo bad that he couldnt continue, so they forfetited the match , venice awarded 1 point, i guess they thought they couldnt win against Yoshida , this guy was feeling fine in the next round tho , they did lose to torrance...

[Neil Gendzwill]

Only 1 point for a forfeit? I thought it was 2 points, or is that only if you're short a guy?

[M.K. Kawai]

Neil is correct. I just looked at the Rules and Regulations and Article 32 of the Rules state that, "The winner by virtue of Articles 30 or 31 shall be given two points, while one point, if scored by the Shiai-funo-sha, shall remain valid. However, in Encho, the winner shall be given one point."

Article 30 is on the Shiai-sha who cannot participate due to injury or accident and Article 31 is a Shiai-sha who defaulted during the shiai.

MKK

[Inouye02]

Neil is correct. I just looked at the Rules and Regulations and Article 32 of the Rules state that, "The winner by virtue of Articles 30 or 31 shall be given two points, while one point, if scored by the Shiai-funo-sha, shall remain valid. However, in Encho, the winner shall be given one point."

Article 30 is on the Shiai-sha who cannot participate due to injury or accident and Article 31 is a Shiai-sha who defaulted during the shiai.

MKKmy bad , thanks kawai sensei ..

[Kendo-Militia]

my bad , thanks kawai sensei ...

Yup the guyfrom Long Beach should quit and become an actor. It was a Award winning performance. Just short of calling 911.

I never felt so insulted in my life. But it's all good. You can run but you can't hide. I will find you oneday. In a shiai, keiko, hell maybe on the streets. And believe me, next time you won't be faking the pain. If you can't handle a shiai, don't enter. Stay home. LIke Arnold says , Your a Girlie Man.

[samurai999]

sckf/nckf/scko ? sounds like a great tournament for the making ...


hehe.. Add cckf and we have the all cali stuff coming up. What a prediction. Nice call Jamie.

Tim

[Kiki]

Whaaa??...I did not see the take down but he looked out cold to me or at least in enough pain for the shimpan to untie and remove his men. That's a bit too much drama to be contrived IMHO. Not to mention risking a tie - which if 2 points had been awarded the match would have been. Where they in encho?

I figured he was finished for the day but I watched him walk it off and over in the corner and yes I was surprised when he played against Torrance. Maybe he didn't want to miss the opportunity to go against Mr. Yang or may the LB head sensei gave him some Vince Lombardi motivation...or both.

Inoue san - Was the guy in the stands who said the knock down was unsportsmenship-like conduct just a trash talker? You know I love ya - so don't get mad at me for asking. Kendo-Militia - maybe you should answer this one?

Another question - if people are cheering on the players is that considered cheating? Give some specifics here. I know cheering is not encouraged in kendo - seems the tradition calls for more a golf or tennis style of audience, but I can't help it and neither can all those parents in the stands. Even the shyest kendo mom yells her heart out when her kid's up.

Don't you think at the level of experience most of the players in question here have developed enough court savvy to sense the time? I already do that and I haven't been playing very long. I just can't buy into all this cheating stuff. Be it cheering or shimpan conspiracy. So call me a Pollyanna :) or stupid :cross_eye if you like but I don't get it.

Now that I have called myself the names you don't have to when you flame me back. :dead:

[Hai_hai]

Another question - if people are cheering on the players is that considered cheating?
Correct me if I'm wrong, I think the team is supposed to cheer when the taisho is up.

[Kendo-Militia]

Correct me if I'm wrong, I think the team is supposed to cheer when the taisho is up.
Kiki actually we were down by 3 points so even if we were awarded 2-0 for the match it would not have changed the outcome of the match. But everyone who were there including myself became concerned whether the Taisho was injured or not. I knew he was floppping the minute the ran to see the scoreboard to see if he needed to compete or not. If this was the case he should have just forfeited from the beginning but that would not look good. That would be considered Unsportsmanlike. So when he had a chance to run and not compete, he took that oppurtunity. We all saw him compete against C, Yang. And unless there were some miracle he was ok. I've hurt my back before and believe me when you hurt your back, it is hard to move.

Was the move that knocked the Taisho on his back illegal or unsportsmanlike. Everyone knows I am and can be physical. BUt let me ask you this, Have you ever seen me deliberately push an opponent out of bounds? This action to me is unsportmanlike and even if it can get me a win, I have never stooped down to use this to win.

Trash talking will always be there. But if people want to talk trash, came say it to me and not behind my back. If you don't have the balls to say it to my face, stay quiet.

[Kendo-Militia]

I figured he was finished for the day but I watched him walk it off and over in the corner and yes I was surprised when he played against Torrance. Maybe he didn't want to miss the opportunity to go against Mr. Yang or may the LB head sensei gave him some Vince Lombardi motivation...or both.



:dead:
After the tournament C. Yang came up to me and he was also surprised how quickly LB Taisho healed. Second if he continued simply to get the chance to fight C. Yang, you to got to be smoking crack. Fighting C. Yang injured is like commitiing suicide. He is one of the best in the US and you don't fight a him if your injured. C. Yang is very phsycal and lightning fast. Fightinig him with an injured back may cause permanent damage. So I don't buy the acting job. He faked it and he deserves an Oscar for best male or she male actor.

[Kendo-Militia]

I figured he was finished for the day but I watched him walk it off and over in the corner and yes I was surprised when he played against Torrance. Maybe he didn't want to miss the opportunity to go against Mr. Yang or may the LB head sensei gave him some Vince Lombardi motivation...or both.

BTW I'm impress you know who Vince Lombardi is.

[Kiki]

Was the move that knocked the Taisho on his back illegal or unsportsmanlike. Everyone knows I am and can be physical. BUt let me ask you this, Have you ever seen me deliberately push an opponent out of bounds? This action to me is unsportmanlike and even if it can get me a win, I have never stooped down to use this to win.

No, although I don't think I have even seen you play before. I'll take your word on it. Thanks for answering my offensive question, but I had to ask it. Believing some one would actively hurt another player is about has hard to me to stomach as someone faking a serious injury. Another bubble bursts!

If you two get a chance to duel it out in one of the many upcoming tournaments this year, I'll be sure to pay better attention.

[Kiki]

BTW I'm impress you know who Vince Lombardi is.

That's because I am not a Girlie Girl :cheeky:

[jmarsten]

That's because I am not a Girlie Girl :cheeky:
I expected to see you at the PNKF Women's tournament.

[Kendo-Militia]

No, although I don't think I have even seen you play before. I'll take your word on it. Thanks for answering my offensive question, but I had to ask it. Believing some one would actively hurt another player is about has hard to me to stomach as someone faking a serious injury. Another bubble bursts!

If you two get a chance to duel it out in one of the many upcoming tournaments this year, I'll be sure to pay better attention.Unfortunately because the Taisho took a dive, you only saw me sitting in the sonkyo position waiting to see if we can continue with the match. And I cannot help it if he came in to hit my "men" , I blocked it, he went taiyatari and fell on his ass/back. This is the same b.s. Shaq Diesel goes through. Just because he's big and strong he get called on cheap fouls. But believe me you will see me more often. Because of the political b.s. I never went to any of your federation tournaments. But now I will.

[Kiki]

I never went to any of your federation tournaments. But now I will.

Glad to hear it. Are you going to the AUSKF camp in Vegas? Look forward to meeting you if you are.