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  • Ashi-kake or Ashi-barai in Keiko

    I know that ashi-kake or ashi-barai will get a hansoku in shiai, but is it allowed in Keiko?
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    Only if Sensei expressly permits it.
    16.67%
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    Under no circumstances
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    Only by senior grades at their discretion
    33.33%
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    No idea what ashi-kake or ashi-barai are
    11.11%
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    I ordered a cheeseburger
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  • #2
    please explain....?

    Im not familiar with the terms.

    Will love to learn

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    • #3
      Techniques to block or sweep the feet.

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      • #4
        It depends. I think its an interesting technique but unless you are prepared for a nice lawsuit it's pretty much out the door in the West.

        I mean look at the training the Japanese or Koreans do. I look at how they train the kids in the Japanese school here and its quite different from how they train non-japanese. The kids get pushed around, onto the floor, nailed in the head while on the ground, etc, etc. But they'd never do that to kids that are non-japanese...unless they know you are prepared to take it.

        I mean, in Japan this sort of rough/tough love training is expected but I think for people not familiar with the culture its shocking.

        So techniques like sweeping etc should be only done with people who know how to do it and how to react to it or fall properly...and they must probably acknowledge that they are willing to do it.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by akumalkenshi
          Im not familiar with the terms.

          Will love to learn
          As Neil says... these are leg-sweeping techniques.

          They were common in old style kendo and can, on occasions, be seen in Keiko, but they are not permitted in Shiai. I have seen reference to these techniques being illegal except in police taikai (intriguing).

          Typically you and your opponent might be in Chudan, your opponent goes for a men strike, you step in with your left foot and sweep his front foot away.

          Best not to use it I would say...

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          • #6
            I know people used to do it before but I had no idea that it still exist. Of course if its ok for sensei then they are ok, I think... Not a technique I would ever do to anyone.

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            • #7
              I second Meng's opinion. There are people you can do this with and there are people you can't. I for one would probably never do it. But who knows...

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              • #8
                I can see why such techniques are banned in most cases (it's not easy to breakfall in bogu, believe me, I've tried!).
                Imagine, however, the wonderful feeling of sweeping your opponent's foot away as they are applying fumikomi and hearing the change of note in their voice as their kiai becomes a wail of terror!

                Haaaaaahahahahahah....ahem.


                Sorry 'bout that, don't know what came over me.

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                • #9
                  Although I don't think I would want to take a spill in bogu, I am for it because it adds another element to kendo.

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                  • #10
                    There's a couple of people I practice with, where the practice will occasionally go in that direction and we're both aware of when we can and cannot do it...but unless you start teaching people how to fall, it's a bad idea to introduce as a general practice.

                    Jakob

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                    • #11
                      Thanks

                      Originally posted by Neil Gendzwill
                      Techniques to block or sweep the feet.
                      yeap, sounds more like kenjutsu than kendo

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