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  • #16
    Anyone else?

    Actually, I wonder if anyone else has the same problem I do. Despite being more athletically inclined than most women, I have a very well endowed chest. So, even though I wear whats usually considered a large dou, over half my breast is exposed all the time (I'd otherwise be fitted for a medium :/).

    I don't know about anyone else here, but anyone find ways around this other than extra padding underneath?

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    • #17
      ...girls duplicate thread...with Do for (short) ladies ??? (see other)

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      • #18
        Originally posted by KenkaKit View Post
        I don't know about anyone else here, but anyone find ways around this other than extra padding underneath?
        http://www.kendo-world.com/forum/showthread.php?t=284

        That thread gets derailed in the middle, but there's some good information in it nonetheless.

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        • #19
          but anyone find ways around this other than extra padding underneath?
          I hope I understod you cuestion. I have a very well endowed chest to, so what i do is wear a Sport bra underneath my kendogi, the bra is made of lycra so it's quite tight around the chest, so it provides a little more protection.

          My do is from a donation, and is not custom made for me as you might guess. It's not a very good do, it's very thin and small, but as I'm the smaller in my class is ment to be "mine". And besides the friend that change it to me loked really funny on it!. So, I'm really loking foward to buy a woman friendly do for me!.
          Anyway I'm really happy to even have a Do in my country, and I'm very thankfull for my little do.

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          • #20
            Chiba bogu "Mine" for sale

            Hi All
            I am selling a bogu on behalf of a friend: the bogu was custom made for a woman 5' 10", 66kg, medium head, small face and the doh is a large size (greater than 90cm waist) but fitted her hips perfectly (doh is far to big for me!)
            For more details see:
            http://www.kendo-world.com/forum/showthread.php?t=17684

            Thanks.

            Steve

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            • #21
              women bogu supplier

              here are two bogu sets made specifically for women.
              this company is a oem and apparently these same are exported to japan.

              http://www.kumdomall.co.kr/FrontStor...iCurrentPage=1
              and
              http://www.kumdomall.co.kr/FrontStor...iCurrentPage=1

              unfortunately it is in korean, but they do ship overseas.
              some of the modifications on these bogu:
              the wings of the men
              the mune
              the length and size of the kote
              the girth of the tare

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              • #22
                is the armor always sold as a 'set' or can it be bought a piece at a time? I am using loaner right now and would love to be able to get better pieces a little at a time than get a generic set (I too short and curvy to fit well) and just deal with it...

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                • #23
                  <<crickets>>

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                  • #24
                    Most places allow you to buy one piece at a time, especially kote which wear more quickly than the other pieces. This may or may not be more expensive than buying as a set. I suggest you just ask whatever supplier you are dealing with.

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                    • #25
                      unfortunately it is in korean, but they do ship overseas.
                      some of the modifications on these bogu:
                      ...indeed nice stuff & colourful Do , anyone have any experience of ordering in English ?? (I couldn't see an "english" site) - is this a good company (for overseas people) or are you looking at making friends with Korean kendo-ka ?

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Budo Angel View Post
                        ...indeed nice stuff & colourful Do , anyone have any experience of ordering in English ?? (I couldn't see an "english" site) - is this a good company (for overseas people) or are you looking at making friends with Korean kendo-ka ?
                        I'm always a bit surprised about the reluctance of People in "the west" to get in contact with overseas suppliers.
                        We had so far very positive results dealing with manufacturers and suppliers in japan/korea/china (not with the company in question, though).

                        The english might be a bit of a hurdle if the company does not have extensive experience with overseas customers, but if you keep your mails simple, they will be understood.
                        And the people are very friendly and willing to assist with any special requirements.
                        Upfront payment is usually required, but not that much of an issue, once you get past that 'I might recieve a parcel full of bricks' moments.
                        Most banks (at least in Europe) offer international transfer via onlinebanking and the fees are lower than one would expect (taking money from an un-affiliated bank ATM in germany is more expensive than sending the same amount to korea ).

                        Long text, short message: doesn't hurt to give it a try and contact them.

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                        • #27
                          I tried the stores listed in the first post of this thread, and all of the stores are either dead links or are stores where I cannot find the female do that you are talking about. Does anyone have any weblinks for the female dos? I'm ok with ordering from Japan or Korea if I have to. But I do need to be able to read the webpage in English...

                          Also what price ranges are we looking at? I'm looking for something that isn't TOO expensive...I'm kinda a new Kendoka so... but it would be NICE if stuff fit better.
                          Why don't more companies make things for women? It doesnt make sense... anyway any help would be greatly appreciated...

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by MartialArtsGirl View Post
                            I tried the stores listed in the first post of this thread, and all of the stores are either dead links or are stores where I cannot find the female do that you are talking about. Does anyone have any weblinks for the female dos? I'm ok with ordering from Japan or Korea if I have to. But I do need to be able to read the webpage in English...

                            Also what price ranges are we looking at? I'm looking for something that isn't TOO expensive...I'm kinda a new Kendoka so... but it would be NICE if stuff fit better.
                            .
                            Hey MartialArtsGirl,

                            Chiba Budougu is a really good female friendly bogu shop. I have got a dou from them, they have fitted a shorter mune for girls.

                            Because CBG have a bogu craftman and also a dou crafting specialist, CBG can tailor the dou to your size if you give them your measurements (which you will do when you submit your order).

                            You can email CBG at info@chibabogu.com what kind of do you like. They don't show all types of do up their website, so if you have a specific dou in mind and you want to make the dou to suit your body shape, send them an email.

                            Btw, once you purchase a dou, you don't have to pay for another one if it fits you well. So it may be worth paying a little bit more and save for the long-term. A good fitting dou can affect your hand position and how you hold your kamae.

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                            • #29
                              Why don't more companies make things for women? It doesnt make sense..
                              Remember companies make products to make profit. Kendo has had women for many many years. But whilst this is a 'broad generalisation' so no offence intended... 'average' Japanese & Korean girls who do kendo/kumdo simply don't have the western physique (read that as "boobs" above 'medium' let alone large size). Bogu makers cater to the broader market. The cut of Do, is out there, but will never fit snug anyone with a bust deemed 'large' ie. over 36-38".

                              Western market isn't big enough to make money by tweaking a product. I mean, how many women will buy a special women's do to warrant the marketing of it ?? So as in "it doesn't make sense" - it doesn't make financial sense to make it or stock it in the first place, let alone sell it - are judo or karate gi tailored for women's shape ?! No, or very few...its a one cut fits all mentality. As Kendo grows, things might change, but don't hold your breath.

                              Anyway, Chibabogu will help more than most, but it will be a 'custom' service, even with Mike in English.
                              A good fitting dou can affect your hand position and how you hold your kamae
                              Never a truer word said, absolutely...let me add, missed Do cuts too, being whacked where the shinai tip just catches the corner of your right chest, hurts like a bloke being kicked in the nuts (but few guys realise that, until you point it out). Good luck, and custom is NEVER cheap...so don't lament too hard or seek something which doesn't exist even in fairy land

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Budo Angel View Post
                                Anyway, Chibabogu will help more than most, but it will be a 'custom' service, . . . .

                                . . . custom is NEVER cheap

                                I agree with your statements, but also want to forestall any misconceptions, about the concept of "custom". At least in the case of Chiba Bogu, the word "custom" isn't quite accurate. I believe a more accurate term is "made-to-measure".

                                And as far as being "NEVER cheap", well, Chiba is more expensive than the low end bogu you can find, but it certainly isn't any more expensive than even some mid-range tezashi sets. My wife's set was just under $2000 USD in 2005. I can't remember all the modifications, but it certainly included a shortened do, extra padding on kote, shortened tare "flaps" (I think), modified length of tare (I can't remember whether it's longer to account for her hips, or shorter to account for her stature - mine had to be made a bit longer to account for my resemblance to a . . . oh, never mind, it had to be made longer), plus a careful fitting of the men, etc.

                                Now, I will agree $2k isn't a small amount, but in context of either projected usage, or other hobbies, it isn't too bad. After all, it's seen over 3 years of 2x per week practice, plus the occasional taikai, shinsa, and seminar, and the do and tare show little wear, the men is still fine, one kote just got back from being re-palmed. I can easily see getting 10 years of wear out of the men, longer out of the do and tare, and having the kote re-built every 3 to 5 years or so. I'm no accountant, but I figure it comes out to less than $200/year annualized cost (2005 USD). Not bad, compared to other hobbies (how long do you think a $2k computer will last, before it starts showing its age).

                                Of course, YMMV,

                                RC_Kenshi

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