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    Hi everybody,

    I have to buy some iaitos but after reading all the related posts I'm quite lost.

    It seems that there're lots of trustworthy stores in the US and Japan; however, I would like to buy from inside the European Union so I don't have to deal with taxes, dutys, transport, legal stuff, etc. I don't want any problem.

    Here in Spain, there are a lot of Wallhangers, Paul Chen's, Hanwei's, etc, that I would like to avoid. I have to be really sure the iaitos are completely Safe, Trustworthy and from good sources.

    I think I have only 3 options, taking into account our tight budget:
    - From http://www.e-bogu.com.pt: Nyumon Jidai Koshirae 356
    - From http://www.eurobogu.net: Nyumon Koshirae 221
    - From http://www.eurobogu.net: Tokujiyu Koshirae 293

    The problem is that I don't know if these are good sources or if these iaitos are decent and safe.

    Nine Circles and Budoya are outside our budget.

    Any idea is welcome.

    Thanks!

  • #2
    Bienvenido a KWF, Asparria!
    Welcome!

    Have you tried Budoya? It is in your own country, so maybe you can get a better deal. While I have no idea about their service, the products seem to be more or less the same that are sold around the world in reputable stores.

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    • #3
      I bought the Nyumon Koshirae from Eurobogu about 3 years ago and I used it with no problem until it burned up in a dojo fire. (!). Back then it cost 200 including shipping & tax & fee.

      The sword is lighter than average. I cant remember the exact weight, but it was around 790-800 grams. Not sure if that is gonna be problem for you but just ask your Sensei to be sure.

      By the way, the Nyumon Koshirae comes with this type of tsuba (assuming they haven't changed the model in the 3 years since I bought mine):
      http://www.artneko.com/stamps/ASMS0025TN.gif
      A.K.A "Crane" tsuba.

      Good luck.

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      • #4
        WOW guys! You're fast!

        Thanks for the answer and the welcome.

        The problem with Budoya is that it's somewhat expensive for us, but it is quite reputable in Spain.

        Nine Circles has only one aluminium model in its web page and it costs 450. Same problem.

        Although I could invest such amount, two of my dojo partners cannot, so I have to target below 300/250, still maintaining the safety priority over everything.

        Thanks Fred27 for the feedback.

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        • #5
          Working all day with computers has its bright side... Like checking KWF constantly (or at least when nobody is looking!)

          I see your point and believe me that I more than understand the situation. For what is worth, Budoya's basic #101 iaito, Jidai koshirae, is exactly the same I have (mine came from Japan, but the pictures in the site are taken from the Minosaka catalog). Light (around 800g in 2.5, and I think light is good when starting), decent quality (didn't like the artificial silk sageo, though), and good balance (at least for me). Good beginner's iaito in my opinion.

          Have you tried to contact them and get some kind of deal? If it is more than one item, perhaps there is an offer on some model, or with some particular set of fittings or something like that.

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          • #6
            check what is in stock, then order it... Eurobogu are a good supplier, as are 9 circles. There always seems to be complaints in general though when people order 'specials' in the form of certain colour saya etc, so stay away from that and you should be fine...

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Fred27 View Post
              I bought the Nyumon Koshirae from Eurobogu about 3 years ago and I used it with no problem until it burned up in a dojo fire. (!). Back then it cost 200 including shipping & tax & fee.
              I also got a Iaito from Eurobogu 3 years ago, it was the Fujinnyou Koshirae and it was even lighter (it was a 2.30 and I'm a female), and also had the Crane tsuba. It also cost 200 back then. (We seem to have some things in common Fred )

              Eurobogu told me it would take 2 months to arrive, but it took only 6 weeks. It was shipped from Japan but somehow I did not have to pay for Customs. It was delivered to me in London at the time.

              My 5th dan senpai did have a good laught at it's weight (his shinken is nealy one foot longer than my Iaito and thus much heavier), but approved it's balance and quality. I was looking for a lightweight to start with. I still have this Iaito although I have now evolved to a longer and slightly heavier one. It is still in quite good shape, even if I borrow it to beginners now and then.

              I am currently living in France, where I have seen Iaitos which have cost beginners the same (or more) as my first Eurobogu Iaito and that are too close to wallhangers, have the weirdest balance I've experimented or are falling apart after a few (very few) months of practice. Compared to these that Eurobogu Iaito I got was a very very good price/quality find.

              I do like Ninecircles, I like the fact that the sword gets delivered in less then one week, even when they are sending it to Portugal. Also there is now a new Sword legislation in Portugal and swords comming from outside the EU pay much more in Customs than they used to and sometimes get a bit retained. Because the swords from Ninecircles are send from within Europe, there are no extra surprises on delivery. Ninecircles are also quite honest and correct with their costumers.

              I do not know the quality of the E-bogu's swords, but their other equipment (Kendo) tends to be of fairly good quality so it would quite surprise me if their Iaitos would be wallhangers or offer any danger. E-bogu has a good reputation amongst Kendo people.

              The advantage of the Portuguese branch e-bogu.com.pt, is that the Iaito has already gone through the EU Costums so again, no extra surprises on delivery: they've dealt wiht the red tape already.
              However, I do not know how the new Sword legislation in Portugal is affecting their Iaito importations. It could increase the Iaito's price (even tiny shushi knives now have to go through a somehow expensive inspection) so do ask them first (if this is going to affect the original price, after all, the sword's final destination is Spain, not Portugal).
              I've dealt with them for other kind of articles, but I can at least say they are also quite honest and correct with their costumers and will be ready to answer you any questions.

              Hope this helps and good luck!

              Sandra

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Asparria View Post
                Hi everybody,

                I have to buy some iaitos but after reading all the related posts I'm quite lost.

                It seems that there're lots of trustworthy stores in the US and Japan; however, I would like to buy from inside the European Union so I don't have to deal with taxes, dutys, transport, legal stuff, etc. I don't want any problem.

                Here in Spain, there are a lot of Wallhangers, Paul Chen's, Hanwei's, etc, that I would like to avoid. I have to be really sure the iaitos are completely Safe, Trustworthy and from good sources.

                I think I have only 3 options, taking into account our tight budget:
                - From http://www.e-bogu.com.pt: Nyumon Jidai Koshirae 356
                - From http://www.eurobogu.net: Nyumon Koshirae 221
                - From http://www.eurobogu.net: Tokujiyu Koshirae 293

                The problem is that I don't know if these are good sources or if these iaitos are decent and safe.

                Nine Circles and Budoya are outside our budget.

                Any idea is welcome.

                Thanks!
                It is likely, that your chosen supplier will have the iaito shipped direct to you form Japan. So you may still have the customs challenge to overcome.

                Could be a good question to ask, before you make the purchase.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Sandra S View Post
                  (We seem to have some things in common Fred )

                  Sandra
                  Yep! Wanna go out for coffee sometimes?


                  Just an addition in case it helps: Eurobogu ordered my sword from a company in Japan named Koei Budogu Co. I haven't heard anything negative about them.

                  (List of iaito)

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                  • #10
                    asparria, you have a PM (mensaje privado). Saludos.

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                    • #11
                      if you are going to buy more than one sword ,speak to quentin at nine circles i am sure he will do you a deal good luck

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Asparria View Post
                        Hi everybody,

                        I have to buy some iaitos but after reading all the related posts I'm quite lost.

                        It seems that there're lots of trustworthy stores in the US and Japan; however, I would like to buy from inside the European Union so I don't have to deal with taxes, dutys, transport, legal stuff, etc. I don't want any problem.

                        Here in Spain, there are a lot of Wallhangers, Paul Chen's, Hanwei's, etc, that I would like to avoid. I have to be really sure the iaitos are completely Safe, Trustworthy and from good sources.

                        I think I have only 3 options, taking into account our tight budget:
                        - From http://www.e-bogu.com.pt: Nyumon Jidai Koshirae 356
                        - From http://www.eurobogu.net: Nyumon Koshirae 221
                        - From http://www.eurobogu.net: Tokujiyu Koshirae 293

                        The problem is that I don't know if these are good sources or if these iaitos are decent and safe.

                        Nine Circles and Budoya are outside our budget.

                        Any idea is welcome.

                        Thanks!
                        I have both a Tori and a Miyamoto Musashi iaito from Hanwei. Both are stainless steel and I've had no problem with them. The Miyamoto seems to be within your price range.

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                        • #13
                          Thank you everybody, you're very nice

                          I think I'll follow your advices and write a couple of emails here and there asking a quote. But I'm afraid 4 iaitos are too few to ask for a discount , we shall see. Good to know these stores are reputable.

                          I'll ask Eurobogu if those iaitos are cleared from dutys and taxes. Nice to see Eurobogu prices are exactly the same as Koei Bodogu.

                          I'll keep you informed, may be this thread can be of some help for those in my same situation. Let's see if after the weekend I have some info.

                          BTW, As I'm from Toledo I could take a look to a Hanwei Iaito (300) in a local sword store, very respectable regarding knives. It has a very nice tsuka, two tight bamboo meguki, what seems real same, cotton ito (quite tight), correct blade geometry, balanced at 10cm from the tsuba, and it feels quite sturdy; however, it does scare me the fact that it is Stainless Steel, I don't even want to think what would happen if the blade breaks. Pitty.

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                          • #14
                            Well guys, these are the conclusions, it seems that if we want to buy from inside the EU, we have 3 options so far:

                            - http://www.ninecircles.co.uk
                            - http://www.e-bogu.com.pt
                            - http://www.budoya.es

                            Eurobogu is only a non-profit intermediary, so you don't need to speak Japanese to buy something, the article is sent directly from Japan to your home; hence, expect some kind of tax, duty, paperwork, etc. The price is the same as if you buy from http://www.koei-budogu.co.jp

                            All of the above stores seems to be trustworthy.

                            Thank you very much for your help. I hope this thread can help more people in my situation.

                            Cheers.

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