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  • #31
    I rarely see my GP. 2 years ago I went, she came to the waiting room herself and asked aloud "Where's the man on a stretcher" (No joke, she actually did this). No answer, but some puzzled faces. So she then called "Mr West?". I jumped to my feet. She said, "Oh, I thought you must be dying, we've not seen you here for 12 years"

    When my muscles are stiff and joints hurt I go for massage, when my back is out I go to the Osteopath, when my digestion is giving me trouble I go to a herbal therapist, (Dentist for teeth, optician for eyes... simple really). I only went to the doctor because my massage therapist needed an MRI scan of my knee to see exactly what was wrong. She had told me that the doctor would offer an x ray first (as it's cheaper) which is what happened. I explained that I am quite confident that I have bones in my legs and an x ray will only confirm that, so she agreed to the MRI.

    All sorted.

    When I had a burst blood vessel in a retina I went to the optician, he took photographs of the retina, put them on the NHS computer and said I needed to see a specialist in the hospital. But to get the appointment at the hospital I had to be referred by my GP. What a waste of resources. If the Optician could refer me directly to the hospital...

    Well, needless to say, I agree with Tim.

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    • #32
      I was rather stupid on sunday and have done in my left achilles tendon....(yes I know I am stupid, but sunday was more so...)

      What I found surprising when I went to train tonight was just how much I rely on my left ankle/foot/toes for 'propulsion' from seiza... and I couldn't really cut well standing either, just couldnt get a good foundation! My nurse student (every class should have one!) tells me I am going to have to put up with this for three MONTHS!!! pah! I dont think so mrs....I heal quicker than that.... I am now panicking about several seminars due for me over the next few weeks, will have to think about not only how to get there, as using the clutch really hurts, but how to teach whilst there as well....hhhhmmmm....

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Peter West View Post
        When I had a burst blood vessel in a retina I went to the optician, he took photographs of the retina, put them on the NHS computer and said I needed to see a specialist in the hospital. But to get the appointment at the hospital I had to be referred by my GP. What a waste of resources. If the Optician could refer me directly to the hospital...
        Peter: we're (opticians) as annoyed as you - it would save a lot of time and money to refer people direct. No offense to GPs but most probably wont know why you're being referred and just "pass the letter on" to the ophthalmic specialist. Things are starting to improve, but slowly.

        David

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Kokoro777 View Post
          I regularly find my other half staring into the distance of an evening and when I ask, she says she's trying to figure out some other treatment regime for one of her leukaemia patients-yes, she's a lollipop lady by trade. Nothing is set or defined as far as I can tell although there are guidelines for treatment. The other day she was really concerned and distracted about a patient who was unresponsive to chemo (she burned my bloody dinner!) so I suggested she gave it at night after reading something about diurnal rhythms and chemo efficacy. So she's looking into the research about it now. Consultants are flexible within limits. If she tried to instigate a regime of crystal therapy and Reiki healing then the hospital might have something to say about it! Speaking of which, I was a nurse years ago ('Oooo matron...') and during handover one of my fellow nurses was telling us about her patient, "Observations are within normal parameters, fluid I/O is good, he's been showered and shaved and I've administer 30 minutes of Reiki just before lunch". You can imagine my reaction and I stopped her and said "WTF!?" A debate ensued about the appropriateness of this and I asked how she knew her Reiki wouldn't have a detrimental effect upon this type of patient after all its well know that the power of prayer is bad for cardiac surgery patients (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16569567).
          So, following your logic; because prayer is bad for cardiac patients prayer is without use in any shape or from in any situation?

          This is bonkers. using this logic Erythromycin would be deemed useless because it can be bad for some people and dosent treat certain conditions at all.


          Look you wouldn't take a Ferrari to a Ford dealer for repair, would you? Same with you body (not so much Ferrari as Ford Mondeo ).
          No I wouldn't. But let's scrutinise your analogy further shall we and look at NHS auto service

          I take my car to Ferrari direct and explain very patiently to some well emaning person what is wrong. It's broken they confirm. Yes I know. this is why I called you. So I am directed to my nearest dealer and make an appointment via a very curt receptionist who is very unkeen to allow you to see a service advisor. You take your ferrari to see the advisor who agrees it is broken but it needs to be seen by a specialist mechanic in another garage some miles away but they will make the appointment for you. The appointment letter comes through saying the specialist mechanic will see you in 5 weeks time.you take yet another half day off work and see this specialist who decides the car needs a diagnostic check doing on it;s electrics which is done in a specialist department. You ahve to see the receptionsit to arrange a date for this. A week later a letter arrives giving you the date for the diagnostic check to be done. you take your beloved Ferrari and they do the check but don;'t tell you what's wrong with it - that information can only go back to the specialist mechanic. So you wait for another letter telling you when the specialist mechanic can see you to discuss what the diagnostic check reavealed. This is in another four weeks time. You attend. The specialist sctarches his head and say they are still not sure and will need a second opinion!!!!!

          Arent we all delighted the NHS do not repair cars?
          I know they have a prison -I've been!-
          They let you out? They failed.

          The NHS is broken badly not only because of funding issues, but because people just don't care anymore-"its just a job and they don't pay me enough for it anyway".
          Totallt agree with you. Interestingly, often those in none NHS healthcare provision are extremely motivated to help people.

          If I ever get cancer or have a heart attack or stroke, I know the first person I'll be seeking the help of, Lee. What about you...?
          Cancer? A doctor. Stroke or heart attack? An ambulance. bad eyesight? an Optician. Toothache? a dentist. Thirsty? a barman.

          The problem is that mainstream medical professionals can be so unbelievably arrogant that they will not accept that any other view than their own is valid or worthy or consideration.

          None so blind as those that will not see!

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          • #35
            Originally posted by satsumaruma View Post

            The problem is that mainstream medical professionals can be so unbelievably arrogant that they will not accept that any other view than their own is valid or worthy or consideration.

            None so blind as those that will not see!
            Spot on dude. Or rather: "I don't understand so it can't work"

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            • #36
              Originally posted by satsumaruma View Post
              The problem is that mainstream medical professionals can be so unbelievably arrogant that they will not accept that any other view than their own is valid or worthy or consideration.

              None so blind as those that will not see!

              Originally posted by Peter West View Post
              Spot on dude. Or rather: "I don't understand so it can't work"
              Sounds like budo students who are no longer absolute beginners yet not really experienced either (1-3dan)?

              While I generally don't want to contribute to this massive thread drift, I just thought to add that the regulatory system is not set up to allow people to prescribe/advise things they are not in a position to take liability for. This is true not only of the medical profession but also architecture (my profession), engineering (software engineering excepted) and legal services. Licensed/registered professionals can only be as flexible as their third party indemnity insurance (not to mention regulators and the market they have to sell to) will allow them.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by dillon View Post
                Sounds like budo students who are no longer absolute beginners yet not really experienced either (1-3dan)?
                Are you refering to Sats and Peter? Brave man!

                Originally posted by dillon View Post
                .......they are not in a position to take liability for.
                Interesting that you chose 'liability' and not 'responsibility'...........

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by still learning View Post
                  Are you refering to Sats and Peter? Brave man!
                  Nope. I'm referring to sophomoric low-dans like myself who have a little knowledge but not enough to realize how small we really are. The point is, training by necessity has a period of indoctrination and for many people they stay there (e.g. the shu of shu-ha-ri).

                  Originally posted by still learning View Post
                  Interesting that you chose 'liability' and not 'responsibility'...........
                  Well, unfortunately it has come to this in some parts of the world (particularly English speaking parts).

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by dillon View Post
                    Nope. I'm referring to sophomoric low-dans like myself who have a little knowledge but not enough to realize how small we really are. The point is, training by necessity has a period of indoctrination and for many people they stay there (e.g. the shu of shu-ha-ri).
                    Don't worry about offending (as Bill implied). Passing 7th Dan makes one feel as though one knows a lot, then within 4 or 5 years it becomes clear once more that it is a mirage.
                    The gap from 7 to 8 dan is like the gap from 1 to 7 Dan. it is impossible to appreciate the vastness of one's ignorance.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Peter West View Post
                      The gap from 7 to 8 dan is like the gap from 1 to 7 Dan.
                      it is impossible to appreciate the vastness of one's ignorance.

                      The 7 to 8 dan gap;
                      it takes - at a conservative estimate - at least 22 years to achieve 7 dan - - but one CAN apply for 8 dan only 10 years after achieving 7th. There is a massive amount of learning and development to be discovered/achieved in that short space of time.
                      'Ignorance'; depends on whether you are on the outside looking in -- or not......... 2 ends to that particular telescope.

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                      • #41
                        sorry; machine did this one twice........

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by still learning View Post

                          The 7 to 8 dan gap;
                          it takes - at a conservative estimate - at least 22 years to achieve 7 dan - - but one CAN apply for 8 dan only 10 years after achieving 7th. There is a massive amount of learning and development to be discovered/achieved in that short space of time.
                          'Ignorance'; depends on whether you are on the outside looking in -- or not......... 2 ends to that particular telescope.
                          I suppose. But at the far end looking back, it's probably quite clear, just like when I hear a shodan or nidan expounding the philosophy and demonstrating the wonders of their technique. Nothing wrong with that, at every moment it is an exciting voyage of discovery. But what they see as revelations and new wonders, I see quite differently.

                          Ask a newly passed 4th dan what they need for fifth dan and they have no more idea than a newly passed shodan trying to assess what is required for 4th dan, for example.

                          It's maybe like climbing a mountain with an instructor at the top; however much he shouts instructions and encouragement one has to do it one's self. Of course the more effort one puts in, the more one listens and the less one is distracted by irrelevances, the quicker one can make some progress. But from the bottom all you can see is a rope disappearing up into the distance. Only after making significant progress can one see how far one has come and how far yet to go. From the top the instructor can see a trainee trying to learn, understand and make progress.

                          In the ZNKR/IKF the time between grades is an irregular expanding scale.
                          1-2, 1 year
                          2-3, 2 years
                          3-4, 3 years
                          4-5, 4 years
                          5-6, 5 years
                          6-7, 6 years
                          7-8, 10 years.

                          7-8 dan in 10 years is about as far as 1-7 dan in 21 years. Therefore the effort has to be that much greater.

                          But consider 5-6 dan in 5 years is about as much work and progress as 1-5 dan in 10 years, so here the effort also has to be doubled. Many people miss this point. It is not only time spent, but also a doubling of effort in that time AND a doubling of progress.

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                          • #43
                            I once had a triangle drawn showing amount of knowledge per grade. It was split halfway along to show 7 to 8 dan...so everything you know up to 7th, needs to be more than doubled to hit the next level.
                            The lower half was split in two for each grade below that, so for shodan the area was tiny. If you then consider how much info the shodan needs, it puts 8th dan into an interesting perspective...
                            One thing that does stand out is the amount of time I see these guys put in. Fortunately most of them are retired, otherwise I think it would hard to get the time in to think and practise. Having access to a full time dojo plus help from local 8th dans is also a big bonus...
                            Whether or not any of us will hit that as a pass is probably a good political question to ask, same as will any westerner ever be allowed a MJER menkyo kaiden..., it is POSSIBLE but not PROBABLE...

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                            • #44
                              Tim is right on the nail there. I am trying to maintain 20 hours training a week (that does not include teaching time). It is often not possible, I think I probably average 15. I am making progress, but I don't know if it is enough to get close to 8 dan in the next 5 years. Only time and a lot of sweat will tell.

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                              • #45
                                sorry, 6 years. May 2018. But I want to be hovering around the mark at least 1 year ahead, so realistically I need to be near the line in 4-ish years.

                                OMG, that soon. I need to practice more!

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