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**Nagi David** · 12th December 2005, 09:21 PM

slippery topic...

**Hughes** · 12th December 2005, 11:23 PM

Originally posted by Nagi David

slippery topic...

wintertime...

**Thibaud** · 13th December 2005, 12:49 AM

Originally posted by Hughes

pre-war Nagintata with kick and headbutts, refering isshu-jiai with Chambara and Kyudo, that sort of thing...

Sounds great. I like it.

**Phil** · 14th December 2005, 10:17 PM

...true

We event don t find japanese website with pictures and Naginata videos, only some clubs and university who tells when ther dojo are open...

it look like US,europe,etc spread more info, make more promotion on the web than japan

do you have the same feeling in kendo?

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Phil

**Nagi David** · 14th December 2005, 10:28 PM

JAPAN don't need to do a lot of promotion as long as Naginata is part of their culture, the Emperor himself, is even coming for the birthday ...(see other topic)
Beside of this they have a few thousands affiliate, which is more than all the other federations in the world all together...
Kendo is, I believe a little different, Japan has to fight to be the best in Kendo, there are many very good clubs outside Japan, even if it's still the reference. It's a bit like Judo history... except that Judo is now an Olympic sport and I don't think it will happen soon for Kendo.

**Phil** · 15th December 2005, 12:09 AM

Originally posted by Nagi David

JAPAN don't need to do a lot of promotion as long as Naginata is part of their culture, the Emperor himself, is even coming for the birthday ...(see other topic)
Beside of this they have a few thousands affiliate, which is more than all the other federations in the world all together...
Kendo is, I believe a little different, Japan has to fight to be the best in Kendo, there are many very good clubs outside Japan, even if it's still the reference. It's a bit like Judo history... except that Judo is now an Olympic sport and I don't think it will happen soon for Kendo.

but if you look, in belgium we are 50 practicioners and there is 4 web site
in france they are 200 there is more than 10 website
(website where you can find explanation, pictures etc...)

in japan there is maybe 500 000 people doing naginata with all the ryus (i found this info on a french website

)... and there is not a lot of echos on the web that s what i wanted to say-->

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**Nagi David** · 15th December 2005, 03:35 AM

it might be considered as arrogant to explain a martial art or to talk about victories...
Web is about 7 years old... great japanese may not be so familiar with it, and none of their student would think about explaining naginata in Japanese...
But if you search well you can find many japanese blogs or webpage where the person talkabout his passion. Try with www.yahoo.jp or another japanese web tool...

Maybe Iaiozi can give us a few good link?

**berghaan** · 15th December 2005, 07:50 PM

I think there may be many private websites. You just will not find them with google using just english terms.

**Nausica�** · 15th December 2005, 11:12 PM

There are not a lot of websites on naginata in Japan, no. And the ones that exist are usually (all?) in Japanese. I�m studying naginata in Japan � (just now got back from training!) - but since I�m only a beginner to the art I don�t feel qualified at all to talk much about naginata here. What I know of naginata is all at my local level, and I live in a relatively traditional/rural part of Japan too.

Although naginata isn�t widespread here (in fact I am frequently explaining what it is to Japanese people themselves) I suppose it is rather common here compared to the rest of the world. I would guess the promotion isn�t done much over the web here for several reasons, some of which Nagi David said. Japan�s a very community-oriented place, and people here learn about naginata and events from people, not online. Like David said, it�s part of their culture. Those who need to know what�s going on, know. Everything I learn I learn from my sensei(s).

The reason for lack of official club sites in English is easy: English is not a language spoken by many Japanese at all, let alone the relatively small number of naginata practitioners. That said, I think people here are really keen to promote the art as much as possible, whether here or overseas. I�ve seen training sessions that are aimed especially at promoting naginata (complete with TV crew), where very young children were invited to watch and try.
Also, from what I�m told, people really have to work doubly hard at promoting naginata compared to kendo. It just doesn�t receive the same money or support. Probably most people would agree though: more websites would be good.

I can tell you that the All Japan 2005 Naginata Championship was held just last week though in Tokyo. Unfortunately I didn�t get to see it though (^_^).

**mingshi** · 15th December 2005, 11:16 PM

http://naginata.jp/h17jigyou.html

This is for this year - I think the schedule only gets updated every March. But most events should happen the same weekend every year...

**kendophx** · 16th December 2005, 06:38 AM

If you are very intelligent,

and you own a mac with OS X ...

but then, I repeat myself

Add the Japanese Input Palette to your menu bar, via
System Preferences >>Personal >> International >> Input Menu

Use
System Preferences >> Personal >> International >> languages
to designate the order of preference.

IF done correctly, you will see a little flag added to the right end of your menu. Click for a pull down menu to change from your native language to Japanese.

Use a search tool like : http://www.google.co.jp

Type 'naginata' in romanji/romaji. OS X will do the conversion into hiragana for you.

{If it messes up inputing text into other programs, go back out to System Preferences and uncheck the Japanese language boxes to turn the feature off.}

If you want to do a search based on kanji, with the Input Menu set to Japanese, hit the space bar after typing 'naginata', possibily twice to bring up the kanji associated with naginata. If you have access to a '214 Historical Radical' chart arranged by stroke count: The first kanji is 8 stroke radical #168, the second kanji is 2 stroke radical #18.

If you have never used the OS X's kanji dictionary before, it will probably be item 4. {After you select a kanji in the OS X dictionary, it is assigned a higher priority, since the computer thinks you want a familiar kanji, so it will move up to item 3, the next time you do a kanji search for 'naginata' on that same same computer.}

Be aware that there is lots of manga and anime naginata out there along with the atarashii naginata.

And if, like me, you can not read Japanese, there is mostly pictures to enjoy, but there is an occasional notation in English.

Apologies in advance, I do not know how to input Japanese in Windows OS, or linex, et c. If everyone on the forum is a mac power user, apologies in advance for wasting your time and KW's bandwidth.

**Phil** · 16th December 2005, 08:06 AM

Cool!

Thks for all the tips !

(i will look the pictures to...)

Phil

**Jakob Ryngen** · 16th December 2005, 05:06 PM

Originally posted by Hughes

News from AJNF? (what about a couple more shikake-ooji or kata, autorizing ichizuki tsuki in shiai, pre-war Nagintata with kick and headbutts, refering isshu-jiai with Chambara and Kyudo, that sort of thing...)

I guess it is the opposite. It was AJNF who removed ishizuki tsuki and the rest (unfortunately?) followed. I don't think kicks and headbutts ever existed in naginata as a sport (perhaps in isshu-jiai) and I hope it never will as Naginata should focus on using the weapon (haven't seen headbutts in koryu either). The trend I can see is that AJNF is removing bogu-practice from naginata. For the first time in history you dont have to put on bogu for shodan!

When I was in Japan I was suppriced how few had heard of Naginata. I expected that few new about it, but when asked about what I was carrying no one had heard about "Naginata".

I am also suppriced why there is so little japaneese Naginata on the net - if there are 500.000* people doing Naginata there!

* I have actually heard that the number is less but I cant find my source.

**Hughes** · 16th December 2005, 09:15 PM

Originally posted by Nausicaä

I can tell you that the All Japan 2005 Naginata Championship was held just last week though in Tokyo. Unfortunately I didn’t get to see it though (^_^).

my point exactly... thank you very much Nausicaä for the explanations.

To the KW guys (

) : will we have some report and photos/films on those championships?

Originally posted by Jakob Ryngen

I don't think kicks and headbutts ever existed in naginata as a sport (perhaps in isshu-jiai) and I hope it never will as Naginata should focus on using the weapon

I was kidding, for some part of that post...

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