New and strange equipment

**streetcleaner** · 10th October 2006, 02:37 PM

those koreans will bury kendo someday...

**Alison2805** · 10th October 2006, 03:12 PM

Originally Posted by Kent Enfield

Oooooo....

They've invented a men that allows you to receive men strikes in kendo.

They've inspired me to start working on my dream project: a car that runs on gasoline.

For gods sake, theres nothing wrong with progress. Noone is forcing you to buy it. IF its better than the origonal, people will buy it, if not they wont. I think something that offers more protection for kids is a great thing.

And the guy who made the comment about "those koreans" is blatently racist. Think before you post.

**streetcleaner** · 10th October 2006, 04:17 PM

Originally Posted by Alison2805

Noone is forcing you to buy it

you just dont understand. instead of working on correct cuts they invent progress - carbon shinais, fiberglass mengane, now those shitty mens... kendo should not be easy, safer and funny. there's all right with kendo as it is.

**verissimus** · 10th October 2006, 04:23 PM

Originally Posted by Kent Enfield

Because it's fixing a problem that doesn't exist.

"Newer" doesn't automatically equate with "better".

Yeah, try telling Bill Gates that.

Part of the fun is creating new problems. That's what leads to wars, weapons, and employment.

**streetcleaner** · 10th October 2006, 04:29 PM

Originally Posted by verissimus

Part of the fun is creating new problems

dont you have enough problems with you cuts, footwork, timing and so on?

**Kent Enfield** · 10th October 2006, 04:55 PM

Originally Posted by PenPen

Yeah, duh, why try to improve something if it works already, screw those ppl who use Duraluminum and, god for bid, Titanium in their men! Cosue heavy steel worked just fine. Maybe one day the will invent a fade resistant dye for gi's and use polyester in hakama's or maybe... just maybe.... they replace bamboo w/ Carbon Graphite!!!!!

/sarcasm

Dont criticize ideas just because its new and forgin to you... unless your Amish then it's ok.

I'm not criticizing it because it's new and "forgin". I'm criticizing it because it's f***ing ugly. Let's look at all the things you listed:

duraluminum mengane: lighter, but weaker than steel. Looks the same.
titanium mengane: stronger than duraluminum, more corrosion resistant than steel. Looks the same.
chemical dye: cheaper and perhaps more convenient than indigo. Looks almost the same.
polyester hakama: cheaper and lower mainenance than natural fibers. However, it isn't as comfortable, nor does it look quite the same. Most people eventually stop using them.
carbon fiber shinai: more durable than bamboo, but doesn't look, feel, sound, or handle the same. Most people don't like them, and if they use them, only use them to keep good shinai from being damaged (e.g. receiving kirikaeshi from beginners).

Now, this new "men": What's the upside? It supposedly protects better than a "regular" men? Does it? A real men already protects pretty damn well. And the solution to people hitting too hard is to have them not hit so hard. Is there a rash of korean children suffering brain damage from kendo? Does this "men" protect better than an actual men of the same cost? If so, then it has an upside. But it barely has a passing resemblance to a real men. That's a huge downside.

As Kenzan wrote, "Is there a problem with the men we have now?"

Now, if you want to go personal, I can do the same. But I'm a grown-up, so I'd prefer not to.

**Kent Enfield** · 10th October 2006, 05:00 PM

Originally Posted by Alison2805

For gods sake, theres nothing wrong with progress.

Convince me that this is progress.

As far as I can tell, it's just newness for its own sake.

**ahmed61086** · 10th October 2006, 05:09 PM

I hope that was sarcasm streetcleaner. BTW, its hard to teach young kids perfect technique, as a matter of fact, its hard to teach anyone perfect technique. Whats the big deal if someone is thinking about saving their kids from brain damage.

**ReKru** · 10th October 2006, 05:16 PM

Because it's fixing a problem that doesn't exist.

You should say "that I'm not aware of".

"Newer" doesn't automatically equate with "better".

Neither does "traditional".

If my kid ever starts Kendo, I'd damn sure want the best protective gear for her to make it as painless of an experience as possible.
Aestetic and traditionalist considerations are really that last concerns in that case.

**streetcleaner** · 10th October 2006, 05:21 PM

Originally Posted by ahmed61086

Whats the big deal if someone is thinking about saving their kids from brain damage.

kendo is HARD. if someone dont like this - send kids play chess or ballet

**streetcleaner** · 10th October 2006, 05:22 PM

Originally Posted by ahmed61086

its hard to teach young kids perfect technique, as a matter of fact, its hard to teach anyone perfect technique.

just dont rush to get into bogu

**ReKru** · 10th October 2006, 05:24 PM

kendo is HARD. if someone dont like this - send kids play chess or ballet

You do with your offspring what you want, I do with mine what I want.

Deal?

**ahmed61086** · 10th October 2006, 05:33 PM

Originally Posted by streetcleaner

kendo is HARD. if someone dont like this - send kids play chess or ballet

Who said you are supposed to get brain damage from Kendo, or that we even want that as a possibility? I have never heard of such a thing. Kendo is supposed to be a Martial art where the practioner is free of worry of fatal and/or serious injury. I have actually heard that kendo is supposed to be safe, not the other way around.

Yeh, kendo is Hard, and I still practice it, but its a different type of hard than lets say, MMA or Boxing.

**Alison2805** · 10th October 2006, 05:37 PM

Originally Posted by Kent Enfield

Convince me that this is progress.

As far as I can tell, it's just newness for its own sake.

As far as you can tell from looking at one little video. Im sure if you talked to the people who are making these they would explain why they are making it. Personally, I would really like it of there was a men that looked the same as a normal one but was more cushioned for kids. The few kids that I personally have seen start kendo often ended up in tears from pain when someone a lot bigger forgets that they arent used to being hit.