Is Israel the new Germany of Hitler?

Gatts · 2nd August 2003, 09:56 PM

I read today in the newspaper that in Israel the government are soon deciding that Palestinians that are married to Israelis will not receive any citizenship due to their ethnic origin. This is just totally disgusting and really racist. I know that this has nothing to do with Kendo but I just had to voice out somewhere at my disgust of Israel and all those that support that country and especially reading a few threads in this section of the forum, I figured there are some Israeli supporters. The irony of this is that it kind of makes you wonder when the Jews where oppressed by Hitler, I would have thought that Jews would have learned some kind of compassion towards human beings and suffering, it seems not. Hmmmm…kind of makes you wonder did Hitler know something we did not know about, which was his reason for doing what he did to the Jews? Either way, I think that Israel is truly the most racist country that is blatant about its policies and know that they can still get away with it. Well what do you expect when they control the USA and the USA is probably the most influential powerful country in the world. Hmmm….lol, I guess that makes Israel the most powerful country in the world, as the US are their puppet country.

**xvikingx** · 2nd August 2003, 11:04 PM

"Hmmmm…kind of makes you wonder did Hitler know something we did not know about, which was his reason for doing what he did to the Jews? "
"Well what do you expect when they control the USA and the USA is probably the most influential powerful country in the world. Hmmm….lol, I guess that makes Israel the most powerful country in the world, as the US are their puppet country."

Pull your head out of your ass.

**Atama** · 3rd August 2003, 01:54 AM

Theres no place for politics in kendo....it sure as hell wont make my men cut quicker

**Anjin-san** · 3rd August 2003, 02:04 AM

Agreed, I'll even go so far as to say we don't really need a 'flames' section in the forums, most of the threads are about politics anyway, which there is a place for but IMHO KWF is not it.

**Winter_Wolf** · 3rd August 2003, 03:38 AM

Amen Anjin-san, down w/ the flames section!

**nodachi** · 3rd August 2003, 04:45 AM

The flames section was a very good idea!

Granted lots of politics are popping up which is not kendo related, which if you don't like it then don't read it, but the original purpose of the flames section was to keep flames out of the other kendo threads. I thought it was working.

Hence, long live the flames section!

**hamish** · 3rd August 2003, 10:30 AM

WTF!!

Its the same in Japan, I don't automatically get Japanese citizenship just because my wife's Japanese. What conspiracy theory have you got for that?

(I said the flames forum was un-moderated, but I might just moderate the whole forum out at this rate)

Hamish

**Anjin-san** · 3rd August 2003, 10:14 PM

nodachi, seeing it from that angle I suppose the flames section does have a purpose, but here's a question worth considering... why is it that when someone wants to talk about politics they go to 'flames' instead of 'general chat'?

My guess is that people can get quite passionate about their political views, and discussion turns to heated debate turns to flame war, hence 'flames'. It saves time to start it here I guess (i.e. people get straight to flaming).

I understand why we have a flames section, but considering that most of the people on the board are over the age of 12, I think that we shouldn't need one.

**kendomushi** · 4th August 2003, 10:23 AM

The flames section does have purpose and it does help keep non kendo topics out of the kendo forums. However, most people who start a thread in the flames section I think are aware that their views are going to be received rather negatively.
Most seem only partially informed and very biased in their views of whatever their subject is at any rate.
Isreal is not the only paranoid, insular, zenophobic country in the world. They, like every nation, act in what they perceive as their own best self interest.

Gatts · 4th August 2003, 10:47 AM

Originally Posted by Hamish

WTF!!

Its the same in Japan, I don't automatically get Japanese citizenship just because my wife's Japanese. What conspiracy theory have you got for that?

(I said the flames forum was un-moderated, but I might just moderate the whole forum out at this rate)

Hamish

hmmm...the difference with what you say compared to what is going to happen in Israel is that yes you might not get it automatically, but you will be entitled to apply for citizenship. However, in Israel Palestinians being Palestinians will never get an opportunity due to their racial group. Can you see the difference? So basically, being Palestinian nullifies their chances for citizenship, they cannot even think about applying for it. This is blatant racism.

**kendomushi** · 4th August 2003, 11:01 AM

And being the of Korean origin in Japan, when your family was forced to come here as essentially slave labor, and you have now lived here for several generations, are born here, raised here, live and die here...... and you are still not entitled to citizenship, you have no rights as other than a foriegn visitor to the country and getting citizenship if you apply for it is still next to impossible, you will be rejected as you are not viewed as Japanese and are not viewed as providing any significant contribution to Japanese society.
Gatts, is the difference really that big?

**dorkusxmaximus** · 4th August 2003, 05:37 PM

I really think Israel is the new Nazi Germany. Look at how the Palestinians are treated by them. It's not right. They're practically treated like dogs.

**m_french** · 5th August 2003, 12:59 AM

This is quite possibly the most ignorant thing I have ever read on the forum since i've been here. To equate the current situation in Isearael and palestine with Nazi Germany is not only blatently racist but is also ludicrous. Weather you believe in the tactics or policies of the Israeli government or not (personally I don't) how in the world do you make the link between a country whose citizens are constantly at threat from terrorist attack to the ethnic cleansing of ones own citizens that was performed by Adolf Hitler!?!?!?!?!?!? Do you people live in a frickin' Vacum? Did you take any History in School? Gatt there are other countries in the world that do not automatically grant citizenship to people just because they are Married to a citizen. Does that mean that eveyone is a Nazi (a term that you should all be more thoughtful of using)? As for USA being a puppet of the Israeli Government...... give me a break. even after the flags on this forum have been eliminated the anti-American sentimant still runs strong. I find it incredible that the US gets blasted when we don't fall in line with the UN and we get blasted when we do........if I remember correctly the sovereign jewish state was created by the UN.

I'll take My flames off the air good night

**KhawMengLee** · 5th August 2003, 02:37 AM

Gatts probably did not write what the article said very well. The article raised concern over the ruling about marraiges between Israeli nationals and Palestinians. If you are married to a Palestinian you have to live seperate lives for he/she cannot move in with you into Israel(security reasons cited by IDF). You will either then have to move abroad or live seperate lives.