Hiki do clarification

[Kagerou]

I had a question about something one of my senseis said to me (in japanese) about how to follow up your hiki do.

I think what he was saying to me was:

1) If you do a small do strike don't retreat for your zanshin. You have to hit do, take a half step (or so) back then continue to attack 2 or 3 more times and go forward past the person.

2) If you do a big do strike then you retreat for zanshin.

Does this sound correct or have I misunderstood him?

[skilled]

I don't understant the #1 1) If you do a small do strike don't retreat for your zanshin. You have to hit do, take a half step (or so) back then continue to attack 2 or 3 more times and go forward past the person.

what I get from #1 is that hiki do wont be considere as IPPON so you have to attack another time.

I have never seen a Hiki do being valid , except Hiki Gyaku do =).

Hope this helps , but I don't think is too much help =(.

[habile]

SKilled you're 50% right ,

but Hiki do can be valid with ki-ken-tai-ichi as any other kendo technique.(except for tare uchi xD)

[verissimus]

I have never seen a Hiki do being valid , except Hiki Gyaku do =).

http://www.shinken.net/kendo/11_03_A...g/s_h_jung.wmv

(Austin Taikai, 2003; our then instructor on the right vs. someone else.)

[Charlie]

Sounds like that's pretty good advice and the way your teacher prefers you to fight. I have seen ti scored, a small hiki doh with a lot of backward motion ending in kamae exhibiting zanshin. Sounds like this is just your teacher's preference, perhaps?

[ccheck5]

normaly judges dont give a point for hiki do. and taking a lot of backward motion isnt such a smart move, cause even if you do hit a good hiki do if your opponent has the chance to hit you and strike he will most likely get the point

[AlexM]

normaly judges dont give a point for hiki do. and taking a lot of backward motion isnt such a smart move, cause even if you do hit a good hiki do if your opponent has the chance to hit you and strike he will most likely get the point

Wouldn't make more sense to back a lot BECAUSE there is a danger of getting it after the hiki-dou? If you stay close to the opponent you're more likely to get hit no? Putting as much distance between yourself and the opponent, as quickly as possible, is the smarter move.

Kagerou,

I can't understand what your prof was talking about in point 1. Why would you go forward on a hiki waza? please explain.

[ccheck5]

Wouldn't make more sense to back a lot BECAUSE there is a danger of getting it after the hiki-dou? If you stay close to the opponent you're more likely to get hit no? Putting as much distance between yourself and the opponent, as quickly as possible, is the smarter move.

Kagerou,

I can't understand what your prof was talking about in point 1. Why would you go forward on a hiki waza? please explain.

the more you move back no matter how fast the opponent has the chance to come after you. and since all they have to do is move foward and your moving backwards they have the advantage. once you do the hiki men you are should move back quick but not take too many steps back and then be prepared for the opponent if they come after you.

[JSchmidt]

the more you move back no matter how fast the opponent has the chance to come after you. and since all they have to do is move foward and your moving backwards they have the advantage. once you do the hiki men you are should move back quick but not take too many steps back and then be prepared for the opponent if they come after you.

I recommend watching some videos of successful hikiwaza. I think you'll find that you're wrong.

[ccheck5]

the chances of making a succesfull hiki waza are low. and i meant hiki do. this is something that they were telling me at my dojo.

[nonamehandle]

Wouldn't make more sense to back a lot BECAUSE there is a danger of getting it after the hiki-dou? If you stay close to the opponent you're more likely to get hit no? Putting as much distance between yourself and the opponent, as quickly as possible, is the smarter move.

Kagerou,

I can't understand what your prof was talking about in point 1. Why would you go forward on a hiki waza? please explain.

i recently saw my sensei teach someone to hit do in tsubazeriai and then go forward instead of backwards. so pretty much a hiki-do but going forward. the sensei's reasonale was you don't want to get hit when backing up. he does it very well and with power, however he is hachidan. the person he was teaching was struggling with it...i have yet to practice it. for someone who is tall, this would be something very difficult to do i'd imagine. but for someone who is short (like my sensei) this is something very useful, esp. against tall players.

[AlexM]

the more you move back no matter how fast the opponent has the chance to come after you. and since all they have to do is move foward and your moving backwards they have the advantage. once you do the hiki men you are should move back quick but not take too many steps back and then be prepared for the opponent if they come after you.

Nope, totally disagree. The whole point of a good hiki-waza is to put as much distance at a high speed between yourself and the opponent.

If the adversary catches you then you didn't do it at the right time or fast enough. There is always a risk to any technique you execute in kendo. In the case of hiki-dou the risk to reward ratio is low, but that still doesn't mean that it makes sense to hit and not go back fast and far.

How does being closer to your opponent protect you from getting hit?

[Kagerou]

Wouldn't make more sense to back a lot BECAUSE there is a danger of getting it after the hiki-dou? If you stay close to the opponent you're more likely to get hit no? Putting as much distance between yourself and the opponent, as quickly as possible, is the smarter move.

Kagerou,

I can't understand what your prof was talking about in point 1. Why would you go forward on a hiki waza? please explain.

From what I understood you come out of tsubazarai into hiki do and make a quick small cut with it. As soon as you cut get your shinai back up and charge forward kote, men, kote-men, men-men, etc. and go through the person. He said then the hiki do will have a greater chance of being called. So basically your continued attack is your zanshin.

I think he wants me to do 1 more because of my style of hiki do. I tend to snap it off really quick and short. I have a really hard time making a big hiki do.

[skilled]

I prefer hiki kote n__n

[Kagerou]

normaly judges dont give a point for hiki do. and taking a lot of backward motion isnt such a smart move, cause even if you do hit a good hiki do if your opponent has the chance to hit you and strike he will most likely get the point

Gotta disagree with this. I've never been hit when I retreat far and fast. I get zinged when I'm sluggish. The only person I've seen chasing people down after a hiki technique is well me. It's usually a Homer Simpson "why you little!!!" momment that needs some kind of retaliation. Scares the crap out of the high school kids