+ Reply to Thread
Results 1 to 11 of 11

Thread: Chiba sensei video

  1. #1
    Yudansha Twobitmage hasn't made an impression one way or another Twobitmage's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2003
    Location
    Hawaii
    Country
    Users Country Flag
    Posts
    510

    Chiba sensei video

    http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6d...oji-waza_sport

    I suspect that this has been posted before but I thought it was pretty interesting. I can barely hear the translator, though. As far as the body language goes, it seems like he's discussing the proper way to seme to preform oji waza. I wish I could speak Japanese so I could take it in

  2. #2
    I can't hear what he is saying either I have no sound here.

    That method have been explained to me before but I don't get it...moving in (I guess he seme with his right here) and lowering the tip, mostly causes people to hesitate. Lifting the tip though will make more people attack. Maybe someone can elaborate on how/why the seme in the video works.

  3. #3
    剣道しない事も人間形成である。 ben is a little obsessed with this forum-posting thing ben is a little obsessed with this forum-posting thing ben is a little obsessed with this forum-posting thing ben is a little obsessed with this forum-posting thing ben is a little obsessed with this forum-posting thing ben is a little obsessed with this forum-posting thing ben is a little obsessed with this forum-posting thing ben is a little obsessed with this forum-posting thing ben's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2002
    Country
    Users Country Flag
    Posts
    2,149
    The first word Chiba sensei says is "ichibyoshi", meaning the oji waza should be a single movement, lit. "in one breath". IOW not to think of it as a block followed by a counter, but a single action, block and counter as one.

    He also says each time you attempt it in training you should score ippon. Aim for 100% success in training.

    He also spoke about the need for inducing the attack by your opponent, using seme. It's case-by-case: sometimes your opponent will flinch from your seme, sometimes it will trigger their attack. He goes on to say that you can't wait in kamae for the opponent's attack, you step in with the right foot, a.k.a seme-ashi, inducing the opponent to come at you.

    In this case, IIRC, the seme-ashi movement was also a training technique. When the person who was practising the oji waza took a step forward, their partner was to attack men or kote, depending on what the training focus was.

    A couple of times he says things like, "So what do you think? You've seen it so now you can do it can't you?" Everyone laughs because they all know that he makes it look easy. He's quite a comedian with those eyebrows.

    Nice to see it's getting some views, and a link over on the BKA forum. It's one of my favourite little vids.

    b

    PS - lifting the kensen as you step in will give your opponent kote ownership.
    PPS - As part of a whole day, things like body language and repeated use of Japlish ("zenbu one-motion daiyo") meant that those there got a better sense of it than from this vid. The purpose of the vid is not to learn from the verbal instruction, but to learn from Chiba sensei's body movement and the sound of his fumikomi and tenouchi.
    PPS - The translator is Yano sensei who passed his nanadan exam at the most recent shinsa in Tokyo. It was his first attempt.

  4. #4
    Thanks Ben!

    Regarding the tip lift and kote, yes...better have nuki or suriage.

    Looking at it again and noticing how he uses his wrists so that he goes from low kensen to hitting whatever he wants...ues he makes it look so easy.

  5. #5
    twirly goodness turboyoshi is contributing above and beyond the norm turboyoshi is contributing above and beyond the norm turboyoshi is contributing above and beyond the norm turboyoshi is contributing above and beyond the norm turboyoshi is contributing above and beyond the norm turboyoshi is contributing above and beyond the norm turboyoshi's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2007
    Location
    woodstock, ga
    Country
    Users Country Flag
    Posts
    712
    Blog Entries
    2
    Quote Originally Posted by H.Sandsleth View Post
    [...] and lowering the tip, mostly causes people to hesitate. Lifting the tip though will make more people attack. Maybe someone can elaborate on how/why the seme in the video works.
    Do I understand correctly that lowering the tip is used to induce the opponent to attack men? Maybe this is me being a newb but if I see someone with a low kensen, that makes me think I actually have a shot at men. Even if I think it's a trap, I still have the feeling that if I can move fast enough, I can beat the trap. It's really difficult thinking to avoid.

  6. #6
    不動心 ShinKenshi is maybe spending more time on KW than is wise ShinKenshi is maybe spending more time on KW than is wise ShinKenshi is maybe spending more time on KW than is wise ShinKenshi is maybe spending more time on KW than is wise ShinKenshi is maybe spending more time on KW than is wise ShinKenshi is maybe spending more time on KW than is wise ShinKenshi is maybe spending more time on KW than is wise ShinKenshi's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2005
    Location
    Wayne, PA
    Country
    Users Country Flag
    Posts
    1,561
    I've actually been working on this a lot recently with my sensei and he says that by lowering your kensen as you seme in, your aite will lower their kensen in response and when they do, you've succeded in making them follow your timing. Once that's accomplished they will hesitate for a moment and that's when you strike. He also says you shouldn't strike immediately but step in and back off repeatedly to gauge your aite's movements and timing in order to determine the best opportunity to strike. I think the main point of it is to try to get your aite to match your timing so you control the situation and are able to strike on your own terms. Part of creating opennings rather than looking for them I suppose.
    David Chin
    Ken Wa Kan Kendo Dojo
    剣道は礼に始まり、礼に終わる。
    My Budo Blog

  7. #7
    that man's wrists are so limber.

  8. #8
    Jelly wrists...he is just anatomically blessed, that's all. ;-)

    Turboyoshi: Yes..and even if it is a trap, it might not be a good one, and deliberately stepping into them is a way to learn how to defeat them.

  9. #9
    Member Kendoka is starting to get a decent rep around here Kendoka's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2002
    Location
    Melbourne, Australia
    Country
    Users Country Flag
    Posts
    924
    Quote Originally Posted by ben View Post
    The first word Chiba sensei says is "ichibyoshi", meaning the oji waza should be a single movement, lit. "in one breath". IOW not to think of it as a block followed by a counter, but a single action, block and counter as one.

    He also says each time you attempt it in training you should score ippon. Aim for 100% success in training.

    He also spoke about the need for inducing the attack by your opponent, using seme. It's case-by-case: sometimes your opponent will flinch from your seme, sometimes it will trigger their attack. He goes on to say that you can't wait in kamae for the opponent's attack, you step in with the right foot, a.k.a seme-ashi, inducing the opponent to come at you.

    In this case, IIRC, the seme-ashi movement was also a training technique. When the person who was practising the oji waza took a step forward, their partner was to attack men or kote, depending on what the training focus was.

    A couple of times he says things like, "So what do you think? You've seen it so now you can do it can't you?" Everyone laughs because they all know that he makes it look easy. He's quite a comedian with those eyebrows.

    Nice to see it's getting some views, and a link over on the BKA forum. It's one of my favourite little vids.

    b

    PS - lifting the kensen as you step in will give your opponent kote ownership.
    PPS - As part of a whole day, things like body language and repeated use of Japlish ("zenbu one-motion daiyo") meant that those there got a better sense of it than from this vid. The purpose of the vid is not to learn from the verbal instruction, but to learn from Chiba sensei's body movement and the sound of his fumikomi and tenouchi.
    PPS - The translator is Yano sensei who passed his nanadan exam at the most recent shinsa in Tokyo. It was his first attempt.
    Well summed up benneth, that's my recollection!!

  10. #10
    Wow the comments to this thread are very insightful. Chiba sensei is just awesome. I've had the privilege of actually observing him in person and he was even more amazing in real life. Does anyone have any additional footage of Chiba sensei which they'd be willing to post?

  11. #11
    Passion & Determination Chaby is a solid citizen Chaby is a solid citizen Chaby is a solid citizen Chaby is a solid citizen Chaby's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2007
    Location
    Serbia
    Country
    Users Country Flag
    Posts
    514
    Quote Originally Posted by turboyoshi View Post
    Do I understand correctly that lowering the tip is used to induce the opponent to attack men? Maybe this is me being a newb but if I see someone with a low kensen, that makes me think I actually have a shot at men. Even if I think it's a trap, I still have the feeling that if I can move fast enough, I can beat the trap. It's really difficult thinking to avoid.
    Have you considered that by lowering your kensen an thus inviting your aite to go for the men, you are actually one step ahead of him?
    Since you know he is going for men, you'll know how to react.
    Oji-wazas work best if the initial attacks are triggered by your self.
    You need to set the aite up for your technique.
    Easier to say than done...

    Csaba Pete,
    Isshin Kendo Club.

+ Reply to Thread

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

     

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts