i kno that for fumikomi, u shld stamp with ur right foot when going forward, but my question is, what do i do when going backwards? do i stamp with my left foot, or do i try to stamp with my right when goin back too, or is a stamp not necessary?
i kno that for fumikomi, u shld stamp with ur right foot when going forward, but my question is, what do i do when going backwards? do i stamp with my left foot, or do i try to stamp with my right when goin back too, or is a stamp not necessary?
Hi Kendo ka,
My book says you should push with your left foot and when your right foot hits the floor you should strike. Going back is the same.
It says no where about stamping.
Chouyaku Hayasuburi should be the same but smaller.
I translated some Japanese stuff about this recently.Originally Posted by mystic_kendoka
I personally find this a little hard to do. Hope the following proves to be a useful reference.
The original is here
http://www5a.biglobe.ne.jp/~ichini/gizyutu004.htm
Fumi-komi-ashi" moving backwards 2000/10/26
This topic continues with "Fumi-komi-ashi" and I have decided to write about "Fumi-komi-ashi while moving backwards".
"Fumi-komi-ashi when moving backwards" can be summarised as follows
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1. Relax the springs (arch of the foot, ankle, knee, hip joint) a little.
2. Lift the right leg up a little, land the sole of the foot flat on the floor, build up a well of energy in the knee and stamp down on the floor.
3. At the same time the left leg rises lightly.
4. Stretch the right thigh above the knee of the leg that has stamped down on the floor, and kick off so as to move the left leg and centre of gravity backwards (primary jump)
5. Land the left foot from the point on the sole at the base of the toes, stretch the thigh above the knee and pull the right leg back (secondary jump).
6. Land the right foot from the part of the sole at the base of the toes into the position of "Basic stance".
7. Land the left foot from the part of the sole at the base of the toes into the position if "Basic stance" in relation to the right foot.
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In regards to the position of the stamp at 2., this will change depending on the target area of the cut and the distancing of the opponent, but at the time of basic instruction it is good to teach "the position where you are now standing".
In application of this training, divide the training using the predetermined feet positions of "half a foot forward", "half a foot backwards", "half a step backwards" and so on.
In regards to the position of landing of the foot at 5. at first make the distance small and gradually make it longer. As with "Fumi-komi-ashi" moving forward, by emphasising the size of the movement of the "secondary jump" you will nurture the feeling of pulling the right leg.
Points of attention are as follow.
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* When relaxing the springs of the legs at 1., don't allow the posture to be compromised too much (moving backwards too much, sticking the behind out, leaning backwards)
* When stamping the ground at 2. you lean back slightly but you still feel the centre of gravity in the right leg (knee)
* When kicking off the floor at 4., be careful not to lift the ball of the foot.
* At 5. shift the centre of gravity to the left leg.
* The position where the right foot lands at 6. should not be behind the left foot.
* At 7. the centre of gravity should be between the right and left feet.
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The rhythm here is "ton, tat-ta-ta". The "ton" is the foot stamp at 2., the next "tat" is the left foot landing at 5. (secondary jump), the next "ta" is the right foot and the last "ta" is the left foot.
"Fumi-komi-ashi" moving forward may have gained citizenship in the world of Kendo, but "Fumi-komi-ashi" moving backwards is rarely explained. There are some points here that are not considered necessary for "yu-ko-datotsu (effective technique in competition)" so this maybe cannot be helped.
However there are a lot of people who suffer from not being able to do this correctly, so I think it is necessary to teach "Fumi-komi-ashi" moving backwards at the foundation stage of training.
Mystic-
I have the same problem, and it is the current focus of my kendo. Nanbanjin, is it the right or left foot that has to be stamped? The translation implied that it is right but I am not too sure.
"2. Lift the right leg up a little, land the sole of the foot flat on the floor, build up a well of energy in the knee and stamp down on the floor."
This may be a fault of the translation, but I was confused when it says that the kendoka should land the right foot flat first...and then stamp with it. It could also mean to lay down. the right foot flat and stamp with the left? Hope someone can clarify.
Personally, I think stamping with right foot is a bit awkward, because if you are moving back from tsubazerai you have to pause a moment to stamp with the right foot, whereas stamping with the left you do not have to pause. Just my (probably wrong) observation.
It is certainly the right foot that is stamped. All the actions from "land the sole..." in point 2 are meant to describe the stamping action. In other words the right foot stamps down flat on the floor and energy is concentrated in the knee more or less at the same time. The right foot landing flat is the stamp. The knee bit probably comes just a little later.Mystic-
I have the same problem, and it is the current focus of my kendo. Nanbanjin, is it the right or left foot that has to be stamped? The translation implied that it is right but I am not too sure.
"2. Lift the right leg up a little, land the sole of the foot flat on the floor, build up a well of energy in the knee and stamp down on the floor."
This may be a fault of the translation, but I was confused when it says that the kendoka should land the right foot flat first...and then stamp with it. It could also mean to lay down. the right foot flat and stamp with the left? Hope someone can clarify.
Personally, I think stamping with right foot is a bit awkward, because if you are moving back from tsubazerai you have to pause a moment to stamp with the right foot, whereas stamping with the left you do not have to pause. Just my (probably wrong) observation.
I rushed the original translation and would like to review it so your feedback is much appreciated.
You should never stamp your left foot.
For hiki waza it might be easier to understand if you relate it to a fade away shot in basketball.
Try practicing without a partner until you are comfortable hitting in mid air. Hiki-gote is difficult so make sure you can hit kote in mid air too.
Try and get a feel for changing the position of your feet before you hit to get the correct distancing.
You can do both.
Left foot is easier when you start learning hiki-waza, but ultimatly, using right foot will give you a better push backwards.
Ask your teacher which way he wants you to do it in.
Jakob
Beg to differ about this one. Only ever heard of left fumikomi for left jodan. Never heard of it or seen it done for hiki-waza.
Doesn't make sense to me. Have you seen it somewhere?
Horse-puckey, to quote old Col. Potter. Stamp your left foot if you attack with it. I stamp on my left foot for katate-tsuki or katate-men, if I've used my left foot to attack there. I'll sometimes crossover step onto my left foot to hit kote (gets a nice angle there) and stamp. I've never seen people stamp their left foot for hiki-men, but hey if that floats your boat I'm fine with it. Personally I prefer suri-ashi for hiki-waza (no stamp at all), I find the timing a little easier - the stamp always seemed awkward.
Neil Gendzwill
Saskatoon Kendo Club
Sorry, I meant in terms of hiki-waza.
This guy is a beginner, so I was thinking along the lines of kendo basics. I stand by my comment.
Please don't tell me you stamp with your rear foot.
No, I stamp with the forward foot. If I were to stamp with my left foot during hiki-waza, it would be forward at the time and the resulting zanshin would be hidari-jodan.
Neil Gendzwill
Saskatoon Kendo Club
That's what I had in mind when I said you should never stamp the left foot. Should have said never stamp the back foot.
Is this similar to tobikomi? I have a question: if the stamping airborne foot is being raise too high [about 30cm above the ground], is it correct/acceptable?
There is a slight difference between tobikomi and fumikomi but the terms are often used interchangably. 30 cm is way too high. Try more like 5 cm.
Neil Gendzwill
Saskatoon Kendo Club
I agree with Neil on this point. I would go even further and say that ideally you should slide your foot along the ground. I know this would seem to make it difficult to stamp with a loud slap, but this is the way I was taught.
You should think of fumikomi and tobikomi as two different things. Fumikomi is stamping in and is more about the way your foot interacts with the floor. Tobikomi is jumping in, and is more about the distance you travel.
I have translated a short thread from the Ichinikai website that addresses the issue you have raised. You might find it interesting.
Name: Kihei
It's been a long time since I last posted.
When I was in senior high I was told that when you jump in "you should move your right foot forward with your foot parallel to the ground" and that is the way I play now. However, at the dojo where I currently train it is taught that "you should lift your right leg (right knee) as close as you possibly can to your chest and move forward".
I tried this new way, but my body is used to the first style and I find I just can't do it (LOL).
Just how high should you lift your right leg?
This is an embarassing question but I would be most grateful if you could help me.
Name: Hide
> at the dojo where I currently train it is taught that
>"you should lift your right leg (right knee) as close as you
>possibly can to your chest and move forward".
To put it bluntly this is wrong. However I cannot deny that there are many instructors who teach this way.
The way you have been playing, lifting "your right foot forward with your foot parallel to the ground" is correct.
Moreover, you should try as much as possible to have your slide along the floor. However, for children it is difficult to get them to understand this feeling.
For the purposes of introduction, you can teach to move so that your right foot moves out to support your body at the point where you would otherwise fall over when leaning forward from the kamae position. With this instruction you should be able to teach your body that it is better not to lift your knee in order to move your foot forward quickly and efficiently. However if you practice this too much you might develop a habit of leaning forward when you strike so you need to be careful of this.
Fumikomi-ashi with your knee lifted high not only tends to injure your heel and knee, but it can also result the left foot springing upwards after the cut. Also, because your posture becomes compromised the loss at the point of the strike is large. If possible you should stop this type of footwork.
Name; Him
For me,
from chudan no kamae I move my hips forward firmly without moving my feet until the point where I feel "if I go any further I will fall over" and at that point I step out with my right foot.
I was taught this way and I teach this way.
At that time the right foot of course slides along the floor while stepping in (this should be the only possible way of moving).
I believe that this "pushing the hips forward firmly without moving your feet" is the so called "karadazeme (body seme)".
I haven't seen many dan grades who lift their knees high, and if you teach to lift your knee high saying that it is for the purpose of introduction I wonder at exactly what point you might plan to correct this style? In this case you would have to reject what you have learnt to that point and I wonder whether this might not have the effect of causing confusion.
I just can't understand this.
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