See, that's another problem I have with this. There were so many swords in European history used for so many purposes, including curved cutting blades. To just pick one to represent all of European combat history seems kind of arbitrary to me.
See, that's another problem I have with this. There were so many swords in European history used for so many purposes, including curved cutting blades. To just pick one to represent all of European combat history seems kind of arbitrary to me.
No thanks, I much prefer my own brain and experiences, and the thoughts and musings of those that study European swords and swordsmanship. All of those that I have talked with have agreed that swords were generally not used against armored opponents. European plate mail was the reason for the invention of the warhammer because swords were mostly ineffective.Really, watch reclaiming the blade...
I see that the person swinging it is slower. Since swords don't swing themselves, it's impossible to say that a sword is slower. Personally, I can cut much better with a European bastard sword than I can with a katana because I can cut in both directions without having to turn the sword over first. Fun stuff!You clearly see that the european broad sword is much slower than the Katana!
You really should learn more about a subject in order to argue intelligently about it.
Paul Smith
... there is nothing so satisfying to the spirit, so defining of our character, than giving our all to a difficult task.
May be so but I also have my reasons to believe there were techniques developed against those armors and as some said before, the range of weapons used is so large, we can't really say they only used this aOriginally Posted by pgsmith
or that...
I only discuss with the knowledge I have from reading texts and watching documentary's if what I say , is incorrect, blame the source ^^
While swords were predominantly used in unarmored combat, there are some techniques that were used against armored foes. They were all from longsword and not arming sword, since plate armor had not been in wide use when the arming sword was.
My local library happened to have a copy of a combat manual written by Hans Talhoffer, so I borrowed it out of curiosity. I obviously didn't understand the intricacies of the techniques, but I could see the pictures of two swordsman with armor or without armor. A lot more of the armored guards involved half swording.
Also, I have no idea if this was used for battlefield combat or for personal duels. Full plate armor seems kind of extravagant for a personal duel to me, but I don't know.
Ah, you must be young! "It's not my fault!" is extremely popular with those that have grown up in the internet age. Not trying to single you out in particular, but it seems to me that there are many young people on the internet today that read lots about whatever interests them, yet never bother to do real research to figure out if what they are reading (or watching) is true, or simply done for entertainment of the masses. To loudly proclaim your views and wait for others to disprove them seems to be a pretty common occurence. Then, if they are proven wrong, the usual answer is along the lines of "How was I supposed to know that Wikipedia isn't the ultimate source of information for that?"I only discuss with the knowledge I have from reading texts and watching documentary's if what I say , is incorrect, blame the source
There you go, that's my 'old and persnickity' rant for the day. (look it up!)
Paul Smith
... there is nothing so satisfying to the spirit, so defining of our character, than giving our all to a difficult task.
Don't think my source is very wikipedia-like, most of what I know is from this site: www.thearma.org
go see for yourself
Hmmm John Clements eh? You do realize he is the Stephen K. Hayes of the HES world right? I suppose you could go to Stephen Hayes' website and learn all about Japanese sword arts. However, I don't think the ninja gang would give you a very realistic outlook on it. However, to each their own. You're more than welcome to believe whatever you wish.
Paul Smith
... there is nothing so satisfying to the spirit, so defining of our character, than giving our all to a difficult task.
I really do enjoy your newsletter Paul, its a shame I cant give you rep again.
I'm a super kendo slacker.
Hehe ... Sometimes I just get on a ranting roll.
Paul Smith
... there is nothing so satisfying to the spirit, so defining of our character, than giving our all to a difficult task.
you could always watch that rather annoying show... 'ultimate warrior'... that would kick off a thread all by itself...it could be so much better... sigh....
Maybe I should make one on 'best armies' rather than 'best mass weapon used individually'..
I am dreading them putting up a 18 foot pike as an individual fighting weapon... If they did 'best sword vs flesh' or 'best sword vs armour' it would be far more interesting...
Tim Hamilton
http://chidokan.tripod.com/
A man's word is his honour, a womans word... I never listen to them long enough...
They will have to pry the sword from my cold dead fingers....
Why are you reading this instead of being out training???? Excuses not accepted....
I think you are right, I caught myself a lot doing research on wikipedia but never doing any decent research: like searching for other websites or go to the library.Ah, you must be young! "It's not my fault!" is extremely popular with those that have grown up in the internet age. Not trying to single you out in particular, but it seems to me that there are many young people on the internet today that read lots about whatever interests them, yet never bother to do real research to figure out if what they are reading (or watching) is true, or simply done for entertainment of the masses. To loudly proclaim your views and wait for others to disprove them seems to be a pretty common occurence. Then, if they are proven wrong, the usual answer is along the lines of "How was I supposed to know that Wikipedia isn't the ultimate source of information for that?"
There you go, that's my 'old and persnickity' rant for the day. (look it up!)
And you also make a good point with saying it's because of the internet allthough the internet is also a very good help in researching stuff.
When the archer does not think about the target. he may unfold the art of archery.
When the kendoka does not think about the datotsu-bu he may unfold the art of kendo.
Kendo is like fencing but not stupid!
I would like to think that a samurai would win, but the knight has far superior armor.
^ you're right. and a samurai sword, a katana wouldn't go through that thick steel armor of theirs.
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