Uh Huh!

**shred_lord** · 26th August 2010, 09:13 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKA9A9rpUAo

Things that make to go hmmmm!

Any know of this Sportschule Budokan Augsburg?

**Maple** · 26th August 2010, 10:08 PM

Hmmmm....

Don't know this school, but I remember a flame war in a german kendo forum...
People got quite upset because this school claims to be more original than "modern sport-kendo".

**FastKendo** · 26th August 2010, 10:17 PM

rr... are they can't afford to buy shinais? or that padded foam sword is more original than "modern sport-kendo"??

LOL

**Missingno.** · 26th August 2010, 10:58 PM

There was a thread about this a little while ago. They're regular bamboo shinai covered in leather. They think their kendo is more realistic because they only use large strikes, their weapon is heavier and they practice tsuki to the mune and doh.

**Maple** · 26th August 2010, 10:59 PM

Those are fukuro shinai with leather coating. And they are doing the real original traditional and not at all sporty shin ken do. They use joint locks, kicks and throws and they say this makes it the more traditional kendo and by using the leather shinai they minimize the risk of injuries.

**ShinKenshi** · 26th August 2010, 11:43 PM

Based on what they have on their website, their kendo instructor is a shodan, cites training under a "grandmaster" with the rank of godan and a handful of seminars, and they as a whole claim to teach more traditional kendo? Something just doesn't sound quite right here.

While arguably the use of joint locks, kicks, and throws may be closer to traditional, wasn't kendo itself originally a combination of multiple koryu and further removed from said koryu in the first place? If so, then why not instead get even closer to koryu by actually practicing koryu?

**FastKendo** · 26th August 2010, 11:59 PM

Originally Posted by ShinKenshi

Based on what they have on their website, their kendo instructor is a shodan, cites training under a "grandmaster" with the rank of godan and a handful of seminars, and they as a whole claim to teach more traditional kendo? Something just doesn't sound quite right here.

While arguably the use of joint locks, kicks, and throws may be closer to traditional, wasn't kendo itself originally a combination of multiple koryu and further removed from said koryu in the first place? If so, then why not instead get even closer to koryu by actually practicing koryu?

That's right. If they want to learn something "original" about Japanese swordfighting, they better practicing koryu. Adding x,y,z factors by their own knowledge out of nowhere is silly. If their style is invented by any master with a legit background, I'll have no question.

**ender84567** · 27th August 2010, 02:11 AM

reminds me of the 'classical kendo federation' here in the us.

**hl1978** · 27th August 2010, 04:18 AM

I don't think their keiko looks all that bad. I don't see twirling of weapons, some of the sport chanbara stuff that some dislike, or backyard ninjery. With a normal shinai, I don't see any reason why they wouldnt be out of place in a mudansha-shodan/nidan level tournament, and their kirikaeshi/kihon practice looks about the same as anywhere else.

Its different, but if you only have a shodan level instructor I wouldn't expect the students to be demonstrating kendo much beyond that level. Wether or not anyone will progress higher than that standard is anyone's guess?

**JSchmidt** · 27th August 2010, 11:36 AM

Originally Posted by hl1978

I don't see any reason why they wouldnt be out of place in a mudansha-shodan/nidan level tournament, and their kirikaeshi/kihon practice looks about the same as anywhere else.

I disagree...strongly.There's one guy who occasionally manages to keep his left heel of the ground, something most mudansha manages to do most of the time. These guys would get slaughtered at any mudansha level competition here.
Their 'sifu' claims to have 35 years of experience in Japanese MA's and 15 years in Chinese, plus Capoerira, Arnis, etc.
Their shodan teacher is not in the EKF register, neither is their 'grand master' (Who got his 5th dan in 1978?...does anyone know more about this guy...claims to have been the only foreigner in the All Japans in 1972)

Sorry..this stinks of homemade budo, especially if you look at their 'kendo kata'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uk9Kz...eature=related

**Neil Gendzwill** · 27th August 2010, 04:13 PM

Finally had a look at this - it's not overtly horrible, they look like a bunch of guys who've been maybe training a year. They're not moving especially smoothly or gracefully but the first bit I watched looked like kendo with different shinai, except for practicing oji-waza with no movement after the hit. Didn't watch it all the way through. Whoever cooked this up clearly had some kendo training.

**b8amack** · 27th August 2010, 05:07 PM

Originally Posted by Maple

Those are fukuro shinai with leather coating. And they are doing the real original traditional and not at all sporty shin ken do. They use joint locks, kicks and throws and they say this makes it the more traditional kendo and by using the leather shinai they minimize the risk of injuries.

Really? I've seen those here for kids. Those are foam coated plastic with I believe a vinyl sheath. Look at 'em wobble.

**Maple** · 27th August 2010, 06:39 PM

Originally Posted by b8amack

Really? I've seen those here for kids. Those are foam coated plastic with I believe a vinyl sheath. Look at 'em wobble.

I just quoted their homepage. I don't know, what kind they use. But normaly a fukuro shinai is a bamboo stick coated with leather. A quick search just showed me white leather and they have dark leather, so you could be right as well.

**FastKendo** · 28th August 2010, 03:06 AM

I think that bamboo coated with leather will be a little too hard even for bogu as it doesn't look flexible at all. One hard kote strike, and you'll need 1 month rest

Well, it's just a thought.