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    Arrest for sword in car

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    http://www.nj.com/hunterdon-county-d..._sword_in.html

    Man had large Samurai sword in car, Raritan Twp. police report
    Published: Tuesday, August 31, 2010, 2:58 PM Updated: Tuesday, August 31, 2010, 3:33 PM

    RARITAN TWP. — George C. Pereira, 43, of East Brunswick was arrested and charged with unlawful possession of a weapon following a traffic stop on Route 202-31, police reported today.

    Pereira was initially stopped Aug. 26 around 8 p.m. for driving with a suspended driver’s license, police said. While Pereira’s vehicle was stopped, Patrolman Christopher Vallat saw that a large Samurai sword was lying across the rear floor of the vehicle, police said.
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    Dupwee August 31, 2010 at 3:42PM

    Maybe the guy is a Samurai... Duh??
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    Seems pretty sensible.

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    I wouldn't be surprised at the weapons charge being dropped once it goes into court. The license thing...not so much. Otherwise people would get nailed for having gardening tools, and legally transporting firearms all the time.
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    He really should had kept that locked in the boot of the car, his other mistake was not having a valid license, that's just asking for you to be caught.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IronWarrior View Post
    He really should had kept that locked in the boot of the car, his other mistake was not having a valid license, that's just asking for you to be caught.
    Could be a hatchback like mine, so it'd be out in the open anyway.
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    As a someone who grew up in NJ, "Home of the Brave, and the Land of the Free" does not apply in NJ when it comes to weapons.
    I remember some guy asking Liang Baiping what the philosphy of Taiji was. Baiping looked at him and said, "The philosophy of Taiji is to crash through to their center and kill them".

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    Quote Originally Posted by IronWarrior View Post
    He really should had kept that locked in the boot of the car, his other mistake was not having a valid license, that's just asking for you to be caught.
    Not having a valid license was his only mistake. Why should a sword have to be kept locked in the trunk during transportation? You think if the sword's loose, he'll be tempted to randomly hack at people? Having to lock weapons up simply for transport is just idiocy and there's no evidence for it being useful in preventing violent crimes.

    @Anonymous: laws vary from state to state but like hl1978 says, NJ is one of the stricter places for owning weapons, so I'd actually be surprised if they drop the weapons charge unless he can show a perfectly innocent reason such as being on the way to iaido class or something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by turboyoshi View Post
    Not having a valid license was his only mistake. Why should a sword have to be kept locked in the trunk during transportation? You think if the sword's loose, he'll be tempted to randomly hack at people? Having to lock weapons up simply for transport is just idiocy and there's no evidence for it being useful in preventing violent crimes.
    You're response speaks volumes on what is wrong with that, but that's to be expected from a yank.

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    Quote Originally Posted by turboyoshi View Post
    Not having a valid license was his only mistake. Why should a sword have to be kept locked in the trunk during transportation? You think if the sword's loose, he'll be tempted to randomly hack at people? Having to lock weapons up simply for transport is just idiocy and there's no evidence for it being useful in preventing violent crimes.
    One could argue that locking up weapons prevents others who have an intent of violence, from using the weapons. If the windows were rolled down, what's to prevent someone from snatching the sword from the seat and wreaking havoc?

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    Quote Originally Posted by verissimus View Post
    One could argue that locking up weapons prevents others who have an intent of violence, from using the weapons. If the windows were rolled down, what's to prevent someone from snatching the sword from the seat and wreaking havoc?
    It's not only that, it is also to stop other people being distressed, scared, alerted to the fact you are carrying around a deadly weapon, the security of the weapon is something else as well that you brought up.

    Do that sort of thing in any civil country like the UK, you soon have the ARV (Armed Response Units) being called.

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    iirc NY & NJ have a highway traffic act similar to Ontario, where no weapon can be within reach of the driver - I can reach the rear floor of my cars pretty easily. If that's the case then it's a valid charge.
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    Quote Originally Posted by verissimus View Post
    One could argue that locking up weapons prevents others who have an intent of violence, from using the weapons. If the windows were rolled down, what's to prevent someone from snatching the sword from the seat and wreaking havoc?
    Well that's a valid point. What is the likelihood that someone passing by can reach into my car and grab a weapon out of it before I can do something about it? I'd say it's not a reasonable fear but I see your point.

    and @iron, I'm glad I'm in a civil state in a civil country where I can have my gun more accessible to me than it is to a potential criminal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by turboyoshi View Post
    Well that's a valid point. What is the likelihood that someone passing by can reach into my car and grab a weapon out of it before I can do something about it? I'd say it's not a reasonable fear but I see your point.

    and @iron, I'm glad I'm in a civil state in a civil country where I can have my gun more accessible to me than it is to a potential criminal.
    The statistics for violent crime with handguns speaks otherwise.

    In 2005, 75% of the 10,100 homicides committed using firearms in the United States were committed using handguns, compared to 4% with rifles, 5% with shotguns, and the rest with a type of firearm not specified.[37] Due to the lethal potential that a gun brings to a situation, the likelihood that a death will result is significantly increased when either the victim or the attacker has a firearm.[38] The mortality rate for gunshot wounds to the heart is 84%, compared to 30% for people who sustain stab wounds to the heart.[39]
    I know this is 5 years ago and quoted from wiki, but whatever the year, it's still bad to look at.

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    Quote Originally Posted by turboyoshi View Post
    Having to lock weapons up simply for transport is just idiocy and there's no evidence for it being useful in preventing violent crimes.
    Really? Have there been studies on homicides committed from vehicles comparing secured versus unsecured weapons?

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    Ah I wanted to say something, but 5 minute limit to edit? Ah!

    I'm not against firearm ownership, I just believe the laws need to be very tough to a high standard. Firearms have been part of my life in one shape or form for a long time, but am realistic to what danger and social problems they cause.

    Let me put a idea in your head, give everyone in the world a car, everyone with the training, will drive it, now give everyone a firearm and soon or later, they will use it for whatever reason, bad or good. Also, both can kill.

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