Tsuki

[don_lubo]

Check this out!
http://www.kendo.hu/2003/images/tsukimozog.gif

[mystic_kendoka]

heheheheheh.... out of interest... is fumikomi required for tsuki?

[Kiki]

is fumikomi required for tsuki?

Also, was that a valid point? It almost looks like it was not the intended point and then he took advantage after his opponent moved into his shinai. Maybe that's all it takes???

OUCH

[litige]

heheheheheh.... out of interest... is fumikomi required for tsuki?

why wouldn't it be required?

[mystic_kendoka]

i dno anythin bout tsuki...
but it seems different from other attacks, as it is a thrust rather than a hit like other targets...

[takashijarosu]

wow that had to suck...talk about a tsuki , i also think it was unintended.but yet kick ass.

[Neil Gendzwill]

why wouldn't it be required?

Uhm, cuz it's never required?

[mystic_kendoka]

so for tsuki fumikomi isnt needed? :S i dont get this...

[Neil Gendzwill]

so for tsuki fumikomi isnt needed? :S i dont get this...

For any point fumikomi isn't required. What is required is to show ki-ken-tai-ichi. Fumikomi is one way that is accomplished. If you practice tsuki, you can do it suri-ashi or fumikomi-ashi. Fumikomi as usual will give you quite a powerful attack.

[JSchmidt]

"
Also, was that a valid point? "

Doubt it...the men cuts land first and the tsuki is not coming from the center.
I would pay for the men.

Jakob

[kendokamax]

eh...thats not a point. its not even a tsuki

the shinai was just in the way .

[don_lubo]

Of course it's not a youko-datotsu

[mingshi]

the men cuts land first and the tsuki is not coming from the center.
I would pay for the men.

I always wonder: if someone cuts men like this and runs into opponent's shinai, there shouldn't be an ippon, no?

(Referencing AJKF regulations, Article 12, subsidiary rules: Datotsu in the following xases shall not be valid:
1. Aiuchi; or
2. When Datotsu is made, the opponent is checking the attacker by touching the latter's upper front body with the latter's upper front body with the tip of the former's Shinai in high spirits and in the right posture.)

[Neil Gendzwill]

For that rule to apply, the defender must perform mune-tsuki at the same time or before the men attack. If they are a little bit late, the men will hold up. In the case of the video, I'd say the point would be waved off due to a certain lack of zanshin with your ass on the floor

[JSchmidt]

"2. When Datotsu is made, the opponent is checking the attacker by touching the latter's upper front body with the latter's upper front body with the tip of the former's Shinai in high spirits and in the right posture."

^^

Doesnt quite fit my definition of right posture