Sword Stand (Kake)

[Scully]

I'v been searching all over the internet today looking for some templates for a kake (I hope thats the right word for sword stand)
But can not find any, and can't get any good side on and front on pictures of them to trace over to get my plan,
So has anyone got any templates?

Let me know

Scully

[Theodore]

I'v been searching all over the internet today looking for some templates for a kake (I hope thats the right word for sword stand)
But can not find any, and can't get any good side on and front on pictures of them to trace over to get my plan,
So has anyone got any templates?

Let me know

Scully

First, shoot a deer.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/DEER-HORNS-J...-/190496313227

[Scully]

Time to grab us out the Remington 700 hundred, head up to eildon and find us a buck

[Theodore]

Weatherby Mark V, .270 Win for me.

[Scully]

I was a target shooter and tried desperatly to get on sniper course while I was still in the Army,
I got there, but only had a year of service and was never deployed, so I have fond memories of sitting on base firing off rounds from my AW before I left service, so the .308 is always a freindly round to fire

[GPrather]

If what you're asking for is what I think it is, here is one of the stands I have in it's three pieces.

Assembled

Hope this helped.

[Scully]

If what you're asking for is what I think it is, here is one of the stands I have in it's three pieces.

Assembled

Hope this helped.

Thanks Heaps!

Just what I needed, by the way are those the spirit swords that where replicad in the last samurai?
Something about those characters seems familiar and thats all I can put my finger on at the moment.

P.S:
I like the picture of the target practise (fox) hanging behind the swords
Oh and Kudos on the halo collection, thats right even middle aged men can enjoy them

Happy Training

[Scully]

Sorry to double post, but GPrather, if you could really do me a favor (no presure but it would be great help)
Are you able to trace out those peices on to paper and scan for me? No pressure but it would make my life a tad easier.

Cheers

[dillon]

or just place them directly on the scanner (splice if necessary)

take care not to damage the glass though

[GPrather]

Sorry to double post, but GPrather, if you could really do me a favor (no presure but it would be great help)
Are you able to trace out those peices on to paper and scan for me? No pressure but it would make my life a tad easier.

Cheers

Ya, It might take me a few days to get them copyed, but I'll do my best to get them for you.
Also I have no Idea where the sword set is from or what they say, it was a gift from a faimily member. So if anyone can tell me what they say that would be awesome!

[Scully]

Thanks heaps
They look to me like the promotional swords that came out on the relase of the last samurai, there used to be a good replica sword site called "saber and sword" have no idea what happen to them,
But i remember those charectars appearing on whath they were calling the "spirit swords" i don't know what the actually mean though :/

[dillon]

The writing on the saya from top to bottom are (reading right to left):

1) Bushido (I think we all know this one)
2) Meiyo - honor
3) Ikusa/Sen - war

In my opinion the words appear to be kazari (decoration) with no particular significance than someone decided it would be cool to write them on there as they don't strike me as particularly poetic choices. Also I think most iaidoka would consider such large writing on the scabbard to be rather unsightly. Lastly, if you wear these swords in the obi all the writing would be upside-down. From what I have seen of actual nihonto and iaito, all artwork is meant to be seen right side up when the sword is worn (meaning sometimes they are upside down when the blade is drawn). I could be wrong of course, but for these reasons I suspect the choice of words and how they are presented comes from someone with a less than full grasp of what is considered appropriate for a katana.

Regarding swords and spirits, the Japanese through their Shinto tinted view of the world believe all things from nature contain kami or spirits (however this is not necessarily the same ectoplasm spirit that comes to the Western mind). This also includes things which were created in traditional ways including nihonto, which by definition has to be made with the traditional folding technique. My iaito, though it uses the same furnishings given to shin-sakuto (new nihonto) would not be seen as having a spirit as the blade is casted with a modern factory technique. The antique blades at the local nihonto shop about 15min walk from where I am however, would be seen as containing spirits.

As such, many Japanese would feel somewhat uneasy with an antique blade at home, particularly if there are signs of fighting. It is believed that the spirit residing within the blade acquires maliciousness through having drawn blood. Same goes for yoroi (Japanese armor) and many other antique weaponry.

[GPrather]

@Dillon,
Thank you for translating, and Wow. didn't know that the spirit of the sword went so deep, and that the swords only gain spirits if folded in a particular way.
@Scully,
Working on getting you that plan for the stand, but I can't find a scanner big enough.

[dillon]

My suggestion for scanning items larger than the scan bed:

Sender:
1) trace each part
2) draw a grid on the trace, it doesn't have to be too regular, just enough lines to be useful reference points when you scan the trace in sections. actually, somewhat random reference lines would work just as well assuming the density of lines is sufficient.
3) scan the trace in sections leaving ample overlap to help with reconstruction

Receiver:
4) using the grid, realign the sections in photoshop or similar app, or print and line up the paper according to the reference lines if the original trace is too large to print.

Or you can go find a fancy 3D laser scanner and 3D printer.

For "katana" type swords (the historic term for blade lengths regulated under the Edo period), the "ha" or cutting edge should face up both when worn in the obi and when placed on a horizontal stand. It's a different story with the older and longer "odachi", "nodachi" or "tachi" blades that were worn cutting edge down since these were meant for mounted samurai. Most replica Japanese style swords are based on the katana. Supposedly the tsuka or handle is on the left in times of peace and on the right in times of war (you can probably guess why).

Also, I would be suspicious of the lateral stability of this stand design as it looks like it could fall a little too easily forward or backwards.

[Scully]

The writing on the saya from top to bottom are (reading right to left):

1) Bushido (I think we all know this one)
2) Meiyo - honor
3) Ikusa/Sen - war

In my opinion the words appear to be kazari (decoration) with no particular significance than someone decided it would be cool to write them on there as they don't strike me as particularly poetic choices. Also I think most iaidoka would consider such large writing on the scabbard to be rather unsightly. Lastly, if you wear these swords in the obi all the writing would be upside-down. From what I have seen of actual nihonto and iaito, all artwork is meant to be seen right side up when the sword is worn (meaning sometimes they are upside down when the blade is drawn). I could be wrong of course, but for these reasons I suspect the choice of words and how they are presented comes from someone with a less than full grasp of what is considered appropriate for a katana.

Regarding swords and spirits, the Japanese through their Shinto tinted view of the world believe all things from nature contain kami or spirits (however this is not necessarily the same ectoplasm spirit that comes to the Western mind). This also includes things which were created in traditional ways including nihonto, which by definition has to be made with the traditional folding technique. My iaito, though it uses the same furnishings given to shin-sakuto (new nihonto) would not be seen as having a spirit as the blade is casted with a modern factory technique. The antique blades at the local nihonto shop about 15min walk from where I am however, would be seen as containing spirits.

As such, many Japanese would feel somewhat uneasy with an antique blade at home, particularly if there are signs of fighting. It is believed that the spirit residing within the blade acquires maliciousness through having drawn blood. Same goes for yoroi (Japanese armor) and many other antique weaponry.

Excellent description my freind
Just to clarifie though, I wasn't indicating those swords where real "spirit swords" more along the lines that they were given those names to increase sales for the last samurai.
This may explain why a sensei I met in Germany wasn't too happy using my old shinken,
It was an antique blade (found in a shirasaya) put into new fittings etc that had supposedly seen battle at the end of the edo period and was stored in a mans manor for many years and was passed through to family members and soon enough found its way into a pawn shop, at first I doubted it had drawn blood, but while in Japan training with my cousins I was approached by a man who claimed the sword to be his families, the mon and engraving along the blade proved true and I happily returned it to his care,
I just find it amazing how a sword from edo period japan made its way to the US and back.
I'm not completely sure still if the blade did at one stage draw blood, but i'm sure it was arki's family sword.

Cheers