Montsuki, Kimono whats the deal?

[Scully]

Okay so today at a weekend Iaido class we had some of the boys where wearing there traditionals with kamon,
And there was a debate sparked as to what they where, and no one can give a deffinant answer, some where calling the kimono, some where calling montsuki and some where calling the haori,
An internet search reveals no helping.
So can someone clear this up for us,
Clarifiying that what where talking about is the one that tucks into hakama with broad sleeves and kamon.

Thanks

[R Stroud]

Okay so today at a weekend Iaido class we had some of the boys where wearing there traditionals with kamon,
And there was a debate sparked as to what they where, and no one can give a deffinant answer, some where calling the kimono, some where calling montsuki and some where calling the haori,
An internet search reveals no helping.
So can someone clear this up for us,
Clarifiying that what where talking about is the one that tucks into hakama with broad sleeves and kamon.

Thanks

Similar to the bokutoh, 木刀 vs bokken,木剣 debate. It depends upon who you talk to... but in a strict definition they are called Montsuki.

Kimono 着物 【きもの】 (n) (1) clothing; clothes; (2) kimono (or other trad. Japanese clothing)

Haori 羽織 【はおり】 (n) haori (Japanese formal coat). This is the outer gi worn over the rest of the kimono.

Haori Hakama 羽織袴 【はおりはかま】 (n) Japanese male formal attire

Kamon 家紋 【かもん】 (n) family crest

Montsuki 紋付 【もんつき】 (n) clothing (e.g. kimono) decorated with one's family crest.

Tsutsusode 筒袖 【つつそで】 (n) tight sleeve (of a kimono or dress). The style of gi without big draping sleeves (like normal kendo).

Jyuban or Jiban 襦袢 【じゅばん; じばん; ジバン】 (n) undershirt (por: jibão); singlet

Hakama 袴 【はかま】 (n) man's formal divided skirt